Illegals.......... - Page 3

TrueGCFan · 11-18-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingEagle

1. This country was founded by immigrants who came here legally

2. The statue of liberty is a beacon for the oppressed and those wishing for a better life and they still have a responsibility to not to make these nation they are coming to worst than how they found it.

3. I'm sure your ancestors have something to say about immigration and that this nation is great because we are a law abiding nation.

4. Illegals are a big part of why so many services are cheap and why taxes and medical bills are so high.
5. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. - Engraved on Statue of Liberty" plus illegals break no less than 7 federal law coming into the country illegally.

Fix it for you.

jacobp · 11-18-2009, 08:20 AM

This sums up my thoughts on the matter.

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"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

TrueGCFan · 11-18-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingEagle

Illegal immigrants aren't illegal by choice.

Truly one of the saddest statements I seen on this board in a long time. So by your "logic" then, pedophiles aren't pedophiles by choice, murders aren't murders by choice, or gangbangers are gangbangers by choice, it's only because our nation has labeled them that because our laws make it illegal.

ShowTime24 · 11-18-2009, 08:45 AM

i dont mind people immigrating here but like some have said in this thread our tax system is not set up for it. the only way it would work is to go to the fair tax that way whether you are here legally or illegally you pay taxes

11-18-2009, 10:00 AM		#38 (permalink)
	gatornat7 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Gainesville Posts: 843 High Fived: 185 in 131 posts Given High Fives: 399 Rep Power: 509
The real problem here isn't the illegals as most of you guys have insisted--it's the system. I have no problem with as many people coming here as possible. This is (or was) the only country in the world where you could come and really do anything you put your mind to. Unfortunately, with all the entitlement programs we've lost a lot of that. So, like someone else brought up, it's either one or the other. You can't have welfare and open borders. I think open borders are important, but if you come here and don't have what it takes to succeed, head on home. Everyone has the chance to do and be whatever that want in America, and if you don't work hard enough, that's on you. Unfortunately, that not the way society works anymore because we've decided we need to take care of everyone else's problems. We could solve a lot of problems in this country if we started worrying about ourselves before everyone else. Milton Friedman: You will find that hardly a soul who will say that it was a bad thing. Almost everybody will say it was a good thing. ‘But what about today? Do you think we should have free immigration?’ ‘Oh, no,’ they’ll say, ‘We couldn’t possibly have free immigration today. Why, that would flood us with immigrants from India, and God knows where. We’d be driven down to a bare subsistence level.’ What’s the difference? How can people be so inconsistent? Why is it that free immigration was a good thing before 1914 and free immigration is a bad thing today? Well, there is a sense in which that answer is right. There’s a sense in which free immigration, in the same sense as we had it before 1914 is not possible today. Why not? Because it is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration to welfare. And you cannot have both. If you have a welfare state, if you have a state in which every resident is promises a certain minimal level of income, or a minimum level of subsistence, regardless of whether he works or not, produces it or not. Then it really is an impossible thing.

11-18-2009, 01:09 PM		#40 (permalink)
	Tator A wholly owned subsidiary Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NE Louisiana Posts: 1,716 High Fived: 1,213 in 483 posts Given High Fives: 1,186 Rep Power: 4901
If someone doesn't respect our laws enough to immigrate the lawful way, what makes anyone think that they'll respect anything else once they get here? Only the human trash of the world does things that way and I for one, don't care to have other countres' trash dumped on our shores.

11-18-2009, 03:15 PM		#42 (permalink)
	Zee I'm on a horse. Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Columbia, SC Age: 26 Posts: 1,935 High Fived: 1,302 in 522 posts Given High Fives: 517 Rep Power: 6236
Liberalism is a mental disorder. I can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading.
I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.

11-18-2009, 03:46 PM		#43 (permalink)
	FiftytwoTwentyForever Hail to the Champs. Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South FL Age: 32 Posts: 850 High Fived: 251 in 154 posts Given High Fives: 58 Rep Power: 283
Back in the 1800 and early 1900's when my family emigrated here, they had to follow the laws by sitting in quarantine at Ellis Island. They did this to have a better life for themselves, their children, and all of their future offspring. They left their family, their towns, their friends and their jobs, to sit on a boat for a couple of weeks, fight off starvation and storms, for a chance at living in this great country. They followed the law. As such, my family has repaid this country in service in WWI, WWII, Vietnam, and Iraqi Freedom. I have had members in my family in every branch of the military, most frequently, my brother currently a Captain in the US Army. Immigrants are what made this country, and I firmly believe our future will be determined by our immigrants. That's what makes this country great, and the only one of its kind. However, we have laws. They need to be followed. Without laws there is chaos. Chaos is the antithesis of our way of life. If our laws are flawed, we have 3 bodies of government that can fix them. However, they still need to be followed. I don't care if its drug abuse, murder, media piracy, or immigration, laws are laws. You don't get to pick and choose which ones to follow. This isn't a buffet. Bottom line is that if you want to come live in this country, come in the way we say so.
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11-18-2009, 05:15 PM		#45 (permalink)
	Natica5 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 85 High Fived: 15 in 13 posts Given High Fives: 54 Rep Power: 124
I am a American with both liberal and conservative tendencies and I can see what's good for America and what's bad for America and I am also a historian. That being said I don't like where were going as a country and unfortunately were not well served by our politicians, people I didn't always feel this way but we need to start electing intellectuals over dumb arses to that extent we need people like Ron Paul or America First type leaders. The reason I say this is because we are truly in a new world now things that we were able to flub over and still get by 10 years ago want work now. we can't afford to be caught flat footed and sadly the reason the recession is so bad is because we were. I know this is a great country but hey what are we doing to maintain that status? are we energy independent is our healthcare spending inline with our pocket books and can we truly afford a open border and you all know the answer is NO! We are wasting billions on never ending wars and to be honest if they were to end today we would still be in trouble due to the fact we have so many entitlement programs that act as a drain on society because in order to keep them funded taxes would have to be raise on everyone. The problem with that is all these programs were based on a out molded system you know the one we would have enough people working to maintain the status quo, so much for that.

11-18-2009, 08:45 AM		#34 (permalink)
	ShowTime24 im back Join Date: Mar 2008 Age: 24 Posts: 2,038 High Fived: 405 in 248 posts Given High Fives: 1,173 Rep Power: 1324
i dont mind people immigrating here but like some have said in this thread our tax system is not set up for it. the only way it would work is to go to the fair tax that way whether you are here legally or illegally you pay taxes

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