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Old 11-15-2009, 12:03 AM   #61 (permalink)
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I'm guessing you think I'm defending Muslims. Which I'm not.

Just trying to get you to actually look something up with a source instead of spewing whatever comes to mind.
No, I don't think that's it at all, I think you're just trying to be argumenative and it isn't getting you anywhere.

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Old 11-15-2009, 12:06 AM   #62 (permalink)
 
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At the end of the day, my point remains the same. All Muslims are not terrorists, however the vast majority of terrorists plotting against America and her interests are indeed Muslim extremeist. If you can't handle that then I'm sorry.
I agree with that much.

However, they (muslims in the middle east) are being voiced by a minority that has seized power with terror.

Democracy really is a wonderful thing. If it could be implemented over there then all would be well. However, this will be difficult because that area has been ruled with a religious iron fist (women have almost no rights) for so long that all those people know are hardship and fear.

They have no love for their country or any faith in the goodness of their neighbors. This is why the extremist muslims took over so easily.

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Old 11-15-2009, 07:16 AM   #63 (permalink)
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We have gotten way off the subject here.

The point is, Obama feverishly denied ever being a muslim during the election. Now all of the sudden, he's taken up the muslim faith?

I call bullsh*t on that one. He lied. It's just that simple.

The fact that all politicians lie is not key to this argument. The fact is, Obama did. What other presidents did before Obama is irrevelant.

The POTUS should be held to a higher standard than all of us and Obama is what he is.

A lying, socialist, communist bastard. End of story.

One other point, this country was not founded on Christianity. It was founded on the freedom to govern ourselves. Hell, the declaration by King George stating the official religion of England & it's territories is one of the reasons for the Revolutionary War. Nowhere in the US Constitution, Declaration of Independence or others do you see the words "Christ" or "Jesus". You see "God" and "Deitity". Our founding fathers believed in a higher power, but not necessairly Jesus Christ. If you want facts, I can find plenty of quotes for you to chew on. Here is a small taste....


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Like I said earlier, Obama is a Christian when he needs to be and a Muslim when he needs to be. I feel sorry for the naive people who think there's ANYTHING genuine about this man.

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Okay, he's Muslim? What's your point?

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Okay, he's Muslim? What's your point?
Check out the other four and a half pages of this thread, it's full of points. My point, which is shared by many others, is that the man has an honesty problem.

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Old 11-15-2009, 12:10 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Okay, he's Muslim? What's your point?
Islam is a political ideology whose goal is the Islamization of the world, complete with sharia law enforcement. If you want the U. S. to have, as many cities in Europe now do, entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen, where the women walk around in figureless tents with baby strollers and groups of children, three steps behind their husbands, shop signs you cannot read, with mosques on many street corners, keep being naive. These Muslim enclaves are the building blocks for territorial control, street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city. Muslims demand what they call "respect" and we give it to them under the premise of not wishing to insult their "religion" or to be other than "politically correct." But, in essense, the Muslims don't just want respect; they want control. That is what their ideology demands.
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I'm not posting on a site that has this talk. And I'm really not going to try to change your mind because I don't feel like arguing with idiots. Every religion has the right to exist, no matter if you see it as evil, or wrong, or whatever.

I'm going to another board.

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I'm not posting on a site that has this talk. And I'm really not going to try to change your mind because I don't feel like arguing with idiots. Every religion has the right to exist, no matter if you see it as evil, or wrong, or whatever.

I'm going to another board.
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I'm not posting on a site that has this talk. And I'm really not going to try to change your mind because I don't feel like arguing with idiots. Every religion has the right to exist, no matter if you see it as evil, or wrong, or whatever.

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Nope, wrong again.

It just so happens that only the extremist Muslims make the news as they like to blow shit up.

Just like the extremist Christians that we have here that like to kill abortions doctors.

Same = Same.

Would you like for all Christians to be known as murders? Seriously.

The biggest problem in the middle east are Religiously run governments. Religion itself doesn't not lend itself to logical reasoning and therefore you have turmoil.

Some people realized this. This is where democracy was born.

so you think you have an actual apples to apples argument?

when was the last abortion clinic bombing? and how many total were there?

NOW make the comparisons again and see if they make sense

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so you think you have an actual apples to apples argument?

when was the last abortion clinic bombing? and how many total were there?

NOW make the comparisons again and see if they make sense
Exactly, trying to equate the number of people killed from Christian extremist vs that of Muslim extremist is mind-numbing.

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I'm not posting on a site that has this talk. And I'm really not going to try to change your mind because I don't feel like arguing with idiots. Every religion has the right to exist, no matter if you see it as evil, or wrong, or whatever.

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I agree with that much.

However, they (muslims in the middle east) are being voiced by a minority that has seized power with terror.

Democracy really is a wonderful thing. If it could be implemented over there then all would be well. However, this will be difficult because that area has been ruled with a religious iron fist (women have almost no rights) for so long that all those people know are hardship and fear.

They have no love for their country or any faith in the goodness of their neighbors. This is why the extremist muslims took over so easily.

It's sad really. You should hear some of the stories I've heard from my marine and army buddies who were part of the training of their police. Some of them just don't care.
Sir, The United States of America is NOT a democracy......the USA IS A 'REPUBLIC' which uses a democratic process.


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Sir, The United States of America is NOT a democracy......the USA IS A 'REPUBLIC' which uses a democratic process.
Uhhh? Difference?

That's exactly what I'm talking about. The process of our government doesn't pass through the church or bend to the whims of such church/synagogue/mosque.

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