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Old 08-28-2009, 09:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Opponents suggest that a “government takeover” of health care will be a milestone on the road to “socialized medicine,” and when he hears those terms, Wendell Potter cringes. He’s embarrassed that opponents are using a playbook that he helped devise.

“Over the years I helped craft this messaging and deliver it,” he noted.

Mr. Potter was an executive in the health insurance industry for nearly 20 years before his conscience got the better of him. He served as head of corporate communications for Humana and then for Cigna.

He flew in corporate jets to industry meetings to plan how to block health reform, he says. He rode in limousines to confabs to concoct messaging to scare the public about reform. But in his heart, he began to have doubts as the business model for insurance evolved in recent years from spreading risk to dumping the risky.

Then in 2007 Mr. Potter attended a premiere of “Sicko,” Michael Moore’s excoriating film about the American health care system. Mr. Potter was taking notes so that he could prepare a propaganda counterblast — but he found himself agreeing with a great deal of the film.

A month later, Mr. Potter was back home in Tennessee, visiting his parents, and dropped in on a three-day charity program at a county fairgrounds to provide medical care for patients who could not afford doctors. Long lines of people were waiting in the rain, and patients were being examined and treated in public in stalls intended for livestock.

“It was a life-changing event to witness that,” he remembered.

Increasingly, he found himself despising himself for helping block health reforms. “It sounds hokey, but I would look in the mirror and think, how did I get into this?”

Mr. Potter loved his office, his executive salary, his bonus, his stock options. “How can I walk away from a job that pays me so well?” he wondered. But at the age of 56, he announced his retirement and left Cigna last year.

This year, he went public with his concerns, testifying before a Senate committee investigating the insurance industry.

“I knew that once I did that my life would be different,” he said. “I wouldn’t be getting any more calls from recruiters for the health industry.

It was the scariest thing I have done in my life. But it was the right thing to do.”

Mr. Potter says he liked his colleagues and bosses in the insurance industry, and respected them. They are not evil. But he adds that they are removed from the consequences of their decisions, as he was, and are obsessed with sustaining the company’s stock price — which means paying fewer medical bills.

One way to do that is to deny requests for expensive procedures. A second is “rescission” — seizing upon a technicality to cancel the policy of someone who has been paying premiums and finally gets cancer or some other expensive disease. A Congressional investigation into rescission found that three insurers, including Blue Cross of California, used this technique to cancel more than 20,000 policies over five years, saving the companies $300 million in claims.

As The Los Angeles Times has reported, insurers encourage this approach through performance evaluations. One Blue Cross employee earned a perfect evaluation score after dropping thousands of policyholders who faced nearly $10 million in medical expenses.

Mr. Potter notes that a third tactic is for insurers to raise premiums for a small business astronomically after an employee is found to have an illness that will be very expensive to treat. That forces the business to drop coverage for all its employees or go elsewhere.
All this is monstrous, and it negates the entire point of insurance, which is to spread risk.

The insurers are open to one kind of reform — universal coverage through mandates and subsidies, so as to give them more customers and more profits. But they don’t want the reforms that will most help patients, such as a public insurance option, enforced competition and tighter regulation.

Mr. Potter argues that much tougher regulation is essential. He also believes that a robust public option is an essential part of any health reform, to compete with for-profit insurers and keep them honest.

As a nation, we’re at a turning point. Universal health coverage has been proposed for nearly a century in the United States. It was in an early draft of Social Security.

Yet each time, it has been defeated in part by fear-mongering industry lobbyists. That may happen this time as well — unless the Obama administration and Congress defeat these manipulative special interests.

What’s un-American isn’t a greater government role in health care but an existing system in which Americans without insurance get health care, if at all, in livestock pens.
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I support reform, but no thanks to the Government "take over".

I take pride in my liberty more......



Where in the US Constitution does it state that the Government is to provide you with health care?
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One more thing.....

Everyone has access to healthcare. You just have to pay for it.

Any state/federally supported hospital has to treat you. You're just responsible for the bill.
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The system needs tweaking, to be sure.. but socialized medicine is not the answer.
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One more thing.....

Everyone has access to healthcare. You just have to pay for it.

Any state/federally supported hospital has to treat you. You're just responsible for the bill.
That's all well and good, Neo; but 50 million Americans just can't afford it, and that's not because they don't try or work hard... it's because prices for insurance, treatment, and medication have gone through the roof. One of the benefits of the public option, as the former insurance exec points out, is that it enables competition that will keep insurance companies from raising costs exponentially. That's a conservative value and staple, isn't it... competition?

The majority of middle-class Americans (which I assume most of us are), is one medical catastrophe away from insolvency. The stories are many in which a family member is diagnosed with cancer or other disease; and goes on to incur hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills that they'll never be able to pay off, but will make the rest of their lives miserable and poverty-stricken in the effort to do so.
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while i agree wholeheartedly that there needs to be reform ..and I'll even agree to "major renovation"....like others here I don't want Gov't healthcare in any other form meaning other than the current govt entities doing so

the very sad thing is no matter how well presented a gov't option would be, now matter the outstanding quality and efficiency that might be touted.....unless youre an idiot then you know its not going to be anything different than any other gov't ran program........wasteful & inefficient

when emotions are involved, when our own mortality is involved, people tend to make decisions more based on hope than rational............and as an individual our own emotions are tough to see around completely to try and come up with the best opinion

trust me.........democrats hear conservatives say "no big govt"!! loudly and believe it to be a just a party position.........but you smart libs have to objectively and in a noncombative "my party vs your party" way, shrug your shoulders and admit, you're right, gov't is inefficient, corrupt, etc


think real quickly..............BIG GOVT..............versus..................BIG BUSINESS

both have positives, both have negatives, so brain washed reps will argue with brain washed dems on the positives and the negatives and it becomes an unwinnable argument when really shouldnt we try to decide HONESTLY which one in the end gives us more as citizens? so when you ask that last question to yourself honestly, which wins?

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That's all well and good, Neo; but 50 million Americans just can't afford it, and that's not because they don't try or work hard... it's because prices for insurance, treatment, and medication have gone through the roof. One of the benefits of the public option, as the former insurance exec points out, is that it enables competition that will keep insurance companies from raising costs exponentially. That's a conservative value and staple, isn't it... competition?

The majority of middle-class Americans (which I assume most of us are), is one medical catastrophe away from insolvency. The stories are many in which a family member is diagnosed with cancer or other disease; and goes on to incur hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills that they'll never be able to pay off, but will make the rest of their lives miserable and poverty-stricken in the effort to do so.
Your first sentence is an absolute LIE.

50 million americans can't afford it? Where the hell did you find that "fact" at? Obama's number is 46 million, and that includes anyone who did not have insurance at some point in the past year- which includes those that were without for, let's say a month, as well as illegal immigrants who don't have access. Also, about 1/3 of that number is people who make at least 40k/year, and therefore can afford it- but for whatever reason choose not to get it.

So, please- stop the misinformation before I report you to the white house

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Your first sentence is an absolute LIE.

50 million americans can't afford it? Where the hell did you find that "fact" at? Obama's number is 46 million, and that includes anyone who did not have insurance at some point in the past year- which includes those that were without for, let's say a month, as well as illegal immigrants who don't have access. Also, about 1/3 of that number is people who make at least 40k/year, and therefore can afford it- but for whatever reason choose not to get it.

So, please- stop the misinformation before I report you to the white house

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I thought it was 15,000,000 who couldn't afford it? Thought I heard that number somewhere.


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Whatever happened to personal responsibility? No where in the constitution does it grant free health care. You can't get your car fixed if you can't pay for it right? People need to learn personal responsibility.

I wonder just how many of the uninsured Americans could afford health care if they gave up some other luxuries, the number would probably surprise you. And I know that some people just can't afford it, and they should be able to receive it in some form or another

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Also- anyone who says a govt public option will further competition doesn't know wtf they're talking about. Since when has a govt run anything that can operate more cheaply than the private sector, and NOT need to be subsidized by taxpayers? See, that last part means you can't reference the USPS- cause they run at a loss. Obama has said any public option will have to be self-sustaining, yet how is it possible for a self-sustaining govt run plan to further competition, when- like I said, govt has never been able to offer such a thing before.

Oh, wait- I know...there are stipulations in the bill that give an unfair advantage to the public option- like disallowing people to renew their enrollment in private plans if it does not meet certain standards set forth by the health commission.

Don't get me wrong- I'm all for ending the use of "pre-existing conditions" as a basis for denying coverage, but excuse me if I don't trust the govt to write the standards in a well-thought out, equittable manner that will further access to private options.

I want reforn, but I don't want govt takeover. Govt has never gotten into the business of anything and made that business better. There are reform options that are market based that I agree with- incentives for getting coverage that, in turn, will lower costs overall (due to reduced emergency room visits)

But, the dems don't really want bipartisanship- its their way, or the highway. That's why they don't mention tort reform in any proposal. If they really wanted bipartisanship- addeessing tort reform would have gone a LONG way to doing that.
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I thought it was 15,000,000 who couldn't afford it? Thought I heard that number somewhere.
15 million would be a more accurate assessment if one was truly looking at who couldn't afford coverage and none is provided by their employer.

But, how could you sensationalize using 15 million out of a population of over 300 million? 50 million sounds better- who cares if its not true, right?

But those 15 still need to be addressed- I just think it can be done through reform that doesn't involve a govt takeover.
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Ive already seen that 20 of the 50 million purported "uninsured" are college students

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Your first sentence is an absolute LIE.

50 million americans can't afford it? Where the hell did you find that "fact" at? Obama's number is 46 million, and that includes anyone who did not have insurance at some point in the past year- which includes those that were without for, let's say a month, as well as illegal immigrants who don't have access. Also, about 1/3 of that number is people who make at least 40k/year, and therefore can afford it- but for whatever reason choose not to get it.

So, please- stop the misinformation before I report you to the white house

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Pardon me for rounding 46 million up to a flat 50. The fact of the matter is, though, no matter how good or bad the plan is, IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED. Republicans have ignored the issue entirely for decades; and why not, it doesn't effect their consitituents... except, of course, the ones who don't realize their net worth doesn't put them in that group. Their interests have always been the insurance companies themselves... not the insured.

Government programs may be inefficient; but the practiced conservative alternative, deregulation of everything they can get their hands on, has promoted abuse by those who already never have to worry about their wealth or health.
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Pardon me for rounding 46 million up to a flat 50. The fact of the matter is, though, no matter how good or bad the plan is, IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED. Republicans have ignored the issue entirely for decades; and why not, it doesn't effect their consitituents... except, of course, the ones who don't realize their net worth doesn't put them in that group. Their interests have always been the insurance companies themselves... not the insured.

Government programs may be inefficient; but the practiced conservative alternative, deregulation of everything they can get their hands on, has promoted abuse by those who already never have to worry about their wealth or health.
2 lies in one post? C'mon- I'll post one proposal that was offered by a republican several months back when I get home. Just because the media doesn't cover it, doesn't mean it wasn't proposed.

Also, my problem with your 50 million number wasn't that it was rounded up- but rather the basis, 46 million supposedly cannot afford health insurance, is also a lie. Obama is smart enough to not make that statement, because he knows its not true as well.

His words are "46 million americans didn't have insurance last year" which, to be honest, should read "46 million didn't have insurance AT SOME TIME last year"

So, yeah...enough with the lies and misinformation.
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I stopped reading the article when I got to this:

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