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| The system needs tweaking, to be sure.. but socialized medicine is not the answer. | ||
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The majority of middle-class Americans (which I assume most of us are), is one medical catastrophe away from insolvency. The stories are many in which a family member is diagnosed with cancer or other disease; and goes on to incur hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills that they'll never be able to pay off, but will make the rest of their lives miserable and poverty-stricken in the effort to do so. | ||
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| while i agree wholeheartedly that there needs to be reform ..and I'll even agree to "major renovation"....like others here I don't want Gov't healthcare in any other form meaning other than the current govt entities doing so the very sad thing is no matter how well presented a gov't option would be, now matter the outstanding quality and efficiency that might be touted.....unless youre an idiot then you know its not going to be anything different than any other gov't ran program........wasteful & inefficient when emotions are involved, when our own mortality is involved, people tend to make decisions more based on hope than rational............and as an individual our own emotions are tough to see around completely to try and come up with the best opinion trust me.........democrats hear conservatives say "no big govt"!! loudly and believe it to be a just a party position.........but you smart libs have to objectively and in a noncombative "my party vs your party" way, shrug your shoulders and admit, you're right, gov't is inefficient, corrupt, etc think real quickly..............BIG GOVT..............versus..................BIG BUSINESS both have positives, both have negatives, so brain washed reps will argue with brain washed dems on the positives and the negatives and it becomes an unwinnable argument when really shouldnt we try to decide HONESTLY which one in the end gives us more as citizens? so when you ask that last question to yourself honestly, which wins? | ||
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50 million americans can't afford it? Where the hell did you find that "fact" at? Obama's number is 46 million, and that includes anyone who did not have insurance at some point in the past year- which includes those that were without for, let's say a month, as well as illegal immigrants who don't have access. Also, about 1/3 of that number is people who make at least 40k/year, and therefore can afford it- but for whatever reason choose not to get it. So, please- stop the misinformation before I report you to the white house LOL | ||
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| Whatever happened to personal responsibility? No where in the constitution does it grant free health care. You can't get your car fixed if you can't pay for it right? People need to learn personal responsibility. I wonder just how many of the uninsured Americans could afford health care if they gave up some other luxuries, the number would probably surprise you. And I know that some people just can't afford it, and they should be able to receive it in some form or another Bottom line, health care is not a right, but a privledge | ||
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| Also- anyone who says a govt public option will further competition doesn't know wtf they're talking about. Since when has a govt run anything that can operate more cheaply than the private sector, and NOT need to be subsidized by taxpayers? See, that last part means you can't reference the USPS- cause they run at a loss. Obama has said any public option will have to be self-sustaining, yet how is it possible for a self-sustaining govt run plan to further competition, when- like I said, govt has never been able to offer such a thing before. Oh, wait- I know...there are stipulations in the bill that give an unfair advantage to the public option- like disallowing people to renew their enrollment in private plans if it does not meet certain standards set forth by the health commission. Don't get me wrong- I'm all for ending the use of "pre-existing conditions" as a basis for denying coverage, but excuse me if I don't trust the govt to write the standards in a well-thought out, equittable manner that will further access to private options. I want reforn, but I don't want govt takeover. Govt has never gotten into the business of anything and made that business better. There are reform options that are market based that I agree with- incentives for getting coverage that, in turn, will lower costs overall (due to reduced emergency room visits) But, the dems don't really want bipartisanship- its their way, or the highway. That's why they don't mention tort reform in any proposal. If they really wanted bipartisanship- addeessing tort reform would have gone a LONG way to doing that. | ||
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But, how could you sensationalize using 15 million out of a population of over 300 million? 50 million sounds better- who cares if its not true, right? But those 15 still need to be addressed- I just think it can be done through reform that doesn't involve a govt takeover. | ||
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| Ive already seen that 20 of the 50 million purported "uninsured" are college students | ||
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The fact of the matter is, though, no matter how good or bad the plan is, IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED. Republicans have ignored the issue entirely for decades; and why not, it doesn't effect their consitituents... except, of course, the ones who don't realize their net worth doesn't put them in that group. Their interests have always been the insurance companies themselves... not the insured.Government programs may be inefficient; but the practiced conservative alternative, deregulation of everything they can get their hands on, has promoted abuse by those who already never have to worry about their wealth or health. | ||
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Also, my problem with your 50 million number wasn't that it was rounded up- but rather the basis, 46 million supposedly cannot afford health insurance, is also a lie. Obama is smart enough to not make that statement, because he knows its not true as well. His words are "46 million americans didn't have insurance last year" which, to be honest, should read "46 million didn't have insurance AT SOME TIME last year" So, yeah...enough with the lies and misinformation. | ||
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