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Old 05-05-2009, 04:33 PM   #46 (permalink)
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With the troubles in the world today the massive increase in Muslims has to be alarming. With the drugs in the world today the massive increase in the size of Tom's head has to be alarming.
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And the Old Testament is all that the Jews have to go on, correct? Are you worried about the fact that there are, and have been, a large number of Jews in this country, believing in a very militaristic Testament? Zionist or non-Zionist, they read the same book, right?
no, the protestant bible has 39 books in its old testament (catholic bible has 46 or 47), the torah (jewish book) consists of only the first five, written by moses. Not quite the same.
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It's not derogatory to say they can't be American? That they will change our values (which you say is being great people and raising children well). Truth is most people here wouldn't have a problem with half the Muslims in my neighborhood because they are white Bosnians who've learned the language.

Every immigrant generation sticks to their culture. By the 2nd and 3rd they assimilate. This is just Xenophobia run wild (the video). Less than 50% of the country doesn't attend church regularly so calling it a Christian nation is false. It's a sleep in on Sunday Nation.
Who said they can't be American?

I also said the ones I knew seemed to be good people, that does not mean they are, and doesn't mean I know everything about them either. But I suspect they are genuine good folk. Still not the issue.

Xenophobia? Not in my case anyway.

This has everything to do with being American and being proud of it. Your comment about "every immigrant generation sticks to their culture" is not entirely true either. In fact, the ones that I hired try to learn and practice our culture. Their children speak english, and the parents even learn it. They are proud to be here, and thankful to be here. That is why they left their countries, to better their lives in a better place.

And for the record, my dad immigrated here (legally) and I am first generation American myself.

And finally, when you make statement like "Less than 50% of the country doesn't attend church regularly so calling it a Christian nation is false." actually reinforces my biggest fears and the reason for this entire post.

Little by little America is changing. Little by little America gets less American. And attitudes such as what you displayed proves that either people don't care, or are too stupid to realize the foundation of what made this country the best in the world is being destroyed. Again, sad really.
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Also, I dont find that as an acceptable excuse for the militant tone of the Koran. Christians get the primary tenets of their faith from the NT, Jews get theirs primarily from the OT, and Muslims from the Koran.

Nowhere in the scripture that is primarily the makeup of the Christian faith is there instruction to go out and kill.


Neither is there anywhere in the Quran that says that, you're just ignoring that. The Quran says that to murder someone is to murder the whole world. It considers killing a damnable offense. Fundamentalist crazies have since issued fatwas condoning the killing of non-muslims, based on some passages of the Quran that they have twisted to say what they want, but you only see that among Salafists.

This is what the Islamic community has to say about killing:
...according to the Sharia, anyone who declares halaal, or permitted, what God has declared haraam, or forbidden, such as the killing of innocent persons in terrorist attacks, turns into a Kafir Murtadd Mustahlil, that is to say, an apostate, by having claimed to make halal (istihlal) the murder of innocents, a crime that the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (may God bless and save him) expressly forbid.

You can't excuse the acts of some radical Christians who have used Christianity as an excuse to kill, and then turn around and condemn all of Islam for the acts of a few radicals.
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Who said they can't be American?

I also said the ones I knew seemed to be good people, that does not mean they are, and doesn't mean I know everything about them either. But I suspect they are genuine good folk. Still not the issue.

Xenophobia? Not in my case anyway.

This has everything to do with being American and being proud of it. Your comment about "every immigrant generation sticks to their culture" is not entirely true either. In fact, the ones that I hired try to learn and practice our culture. Their children speak english, and the parents even learn it. They are proud to be here, and thankful to be here. That is why they left their countries, to better their lives in a better place.

And for the record, my dad immigrated here (legally) and I am first generation American myself.

And finally, when you make statement like "Less than 50% of the country doesn't attend church regularly so calling it a Christian nation is false." actually reinforces my biggest fears and the reason for this entire post.

Little by little America is changing. Little by little America gets less American. And attitudes such as what you displayed proves that either people don't care, or are too stupid to realize the foundation of what made this country the best in the world is being destroyed. Again, sad really.


My Muslim friends are as American as anybody you know. They wear polo shirts and sandals. They love baseball. They like Blue Moon and Terrapin. In fact, when you get right down to it, aside from the fact that they call God "Allah," they really aren't any different.

This paranoia over an increasing number of Muslims makes about as much sense as the hatred of the Irish Catholics when they started proliferating here. Guess what, I'm from a family of Irish Catholics. This is a repeating theme every time a new ethnic or religious group begins immigration en masse in the U.S., the established social order gets into a frenzy because they want to maintain the status quo. What happened to "give me your tired, your poor and hungry?"

There are an increasing number of Muslims in America. So what? I'm more worried about the increasing number of extremists on the left and right.
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i'm with D^3 on this one. extremism (religious, political, or otherwise) is what is to be feared.
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I've never had any problems with any Muslims in America, in fact one my better friends is a Muslim. Besides not eating pork he acts like a pretty typical American.


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Muslims scare me just as much as Christians. No big deal really.

Yea Man, Them dang church goers. They scare me too. Have you ever tried to go to KFC after church on Sundays.. Dang Christians.

Also, I'm not saying all Muslims are Terrorists, But all terrorists seem to be muslims lately.


Dang church goin' Christians... pissin me off !!
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i'm with D^3 on this one. extremism (religious, political, or otherwise) is what is to be feared.

Football too ? Dang Ol Miss fans.
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My Muslim friends are as American as anybody you know. They wear polo shirts and sandals. They love baseball. They like Blue Moon and Terrapin. In fact, when you get right down to it, aside from the fact that they call God "Allah," they really aren't any different.

This paranoia over an increasing number of Muslims makes about as much sense as the hatred of the Irish Catholics when they started proliferating here. Guess what, I'm from a family of Irish Catholics. This is a repeating theme every time a new ethnic or religious group begins immigration en masse in the U.S., the established social order gets into a frenzy because they want to maintain the status quo. What happened to "give me your tired, your poor and hungry?"

There are an increasing number of Muslims in America. So what? I'm more worried about the increasing number of extremists on the left and right.
No sense in me wasting any more time on this subject. After all, I remember about 25 years ago when this discussion was about the Latino and Asian influx to the US. Of course we all worried for nothing because I like having all of the store signs in America that requires a language other than English to read. No harm done I suppose.
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No sense in me wasting any more time on this subject. After all, I remember about 25 years ago when this discussion was about the Latino and Asian influx to the US. Of course we all worried for nothing because I like having all of the store signs in America that requires a language other than English to read. No harm done I suppose.
I live in Kentucky so maybe our hispanics and Asians are learning English with the rest of us inbred rednecks.
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Also, I'm not saying all Muslims are Terrorists, But all terrorists seem to be muslims lately.
Not true. White Pride, PETA (animal rights groups) and Environmental Extremist groups do more in this country. Maybe not 9-11 scale but....
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Americans Without Americanness
Is our nation nothing more than an address?
April 2007

By JOHN McWHORTER

I will never forget a conversation I had with two twentysomething Muslims not long after 9/11. One had been born and raised in the United States, the other had come here at a young age. It was clear from our conversation, though they gingerly avoided putting it explicitly, that neither of them entirely disapproved of what Osama bin Laden had done. There were, of course, multiple recitations of “I think what he did was terrible"—but delivered with a certain lack of emotional commitment. What came through was a sentiment that, in the end, something terrible had been necessary for bin Laden to get across a valuable message. I did not find it hard to imagine that the two young Muslims would have been more explicit about this with each other had I not been present.

The late Arthur Schlesinger Jr. is reported to have said that he could not walk down Fifth Avenue without wondering what it and the people on it would have looked like a century before. I share that type of historical curiosity—and it occurs to me that this conversation with the Muslims would have been very unlikely before about 30 years ago. There was a time when immigrants, if residing in America permanently, unhesitatingly embraced becoming Americans. Any sentiment that, say, Pearl Harbor was “understandable” would have been kept very, very quiet.

These two Muslims, however, thought of America as an opportunity, but not as an identity. Orientations like theirs are, in today’s America, perfectly normal — even among the unhyphenated, as I have learned in assorted conversations since 9/11. Among a vast proportion of Americans, one of the very defining traits of being an American is to lack pride in being one. One either has no conscious sense of American identity or, if one is given to lending the issue more attention, is ashamed of being American. To celebrate America, meanwhile, is considered naive and peculiar; one gets a pass by defining America as the sum of competing “diversities” — witness claims that Barack Obama represents “what America is” — which means that America is no one thing, and thus nothing, finally, but an address.

AT HOME IN AMERICA

One thing that an American sent back in time to 1907 would have to get used to is how much prouder the American identity was among people of all walks of life. The term American carried a warmth and a swagger. People often referred to English spoken in our country as “American,” and were not always joking: H. L. Mencken titled his scholarly masterpiece The American Language, a highly unlikely title for a similar work today. The American Beauty Rose was named in 1875; today one imagines a new rose being given a name like Suri. The Gershwin brothers titled an early hit “The Real American Folk Song Is a Rag” in a spirit of jolly celebration. A series of revues called Americana — unironically — ran on Broadway starting in the late Twenties.

There was, to be sure, an element of parochialism in this apple-pie patriotism, and too often it shaded into an unreflective George M. Cohan–style jingoism. A century from now, though, what will appear equally unreflective is the opposite sentiment now held up as a sign of enlightenment: active contempt for the American experiment.

Nowhere is this contempt more explicit than among our intelligentsia. The humanities and social sciences enshrine the examination of power relations (or, more specifically, injustice) obsessively. The endless explorations of the subordination of the subaltern, and the possibilities of contesting and transgression, are a stark abbreviation of human curiosity. Legions of scholars nevertheless devote careers to this narrow conception of scholarship, out of a fundamental commitment to revealing our Powers That Be as frauds. There is little room for love of country in this view of the world.

Obviously, it is old news for intellectuals to be gadflies. In the 1922 anthology Civilization in the United States, editor Harold Stearns blasted “emotional and aesthetic starvation,” “the mania for petty regulation,” “the driving, regimentating, and drilling” of society. Strong drink, but these scholars were mostly opposed to how the lesser sides of human nature gum up the works in a country that could do better. One searches this book in vain for the kind of bone-deep, utterly dismissive contempt for all that America stands for that is now common coin in academia.

For example, a cherished observation on a certain circuit is that “America was founded upon racism from its very beginnings,” which regularly cops vigorous applause from white as well as black audience members. There’s some truth to this, to be sure — but in that we cannot change it, the charge implies that it would have been better if Jamestown and Plymouth had never been settled and Africans had remained in their villages. Patriotism, obviously, does not apply here.

Certainly one would not expect scholarly people to devote careers to mere celebration. But one might imagine them fashioning a nuanced but vigorous brand of patriotism, calling America on its weaknesses with a basic pride in what we do right. A model would be typical intellectuals in France. Instead, we are taught that the enlightened orientation to our native land ought be more like the one that reigns in Germany, so deeply embarrassed about the Holocaust as to recoil at any prideful view of their Vaterland. The enlightened soul must therefore sneer at such notions as a U.S. policy titled Homeland Security.

The extreme nature of modern leftist academics’ writings suggests that empirical engagement with reality is not the driving force in such ideology. For example, most of this work, while presented as advocacy for the downtrodden, reveals a curious lack of genuine commitment to change. The tacit assumption is that nothing could make America a worthy project short of a seismic transformation in its operating procedures and in the fundamental psychologies of its inhabitants. No reasonable person could have any hope that this could actually happen, and this can only mean that people who think this way maintain their opinions for reasons other than practical ones.

Those reasons are emotional rather than political — a desire to wear alienation from the Establishment as a badge of insight and sophistication. It reaffirms that the wearers are good people, good in a way unavailable to those less learned and aware. This cynicism is calisthenic: It benefits its bearer rather than the people it purports to be concerned about. It is something I have elsewhere termed therapeutic alienation.

Therapeutic alienation is not, however, confined to the ivory tower. Beyond the campus, explicit, acrid contempt for the Establishment is a fringe taste — but the therapeutic alienation at the roots of this contempt is now widespread, and has equally dire consequences for proud American identity. Existential alienation and oppositional sentiment for their own sake have a way of discouraging people from saluting a flag.

CHAFING AGAINST ‘THE MAN’

In 1964, 76 percent of Americans reported trust in the government; by 2000 — long before the Iraq War — only 44 percent, fewer than half, did. The dishonesty of the Johnson and Nixon administrations about the Vietnam War and the awakening of the country to the unjust treatment of blacks sparked this change. But that was a long time ago, and alienation has come to reign even among people too young to recall that era. The alienation has raged unchecked even as blacks have become steadily more central to even the highest realms of American life, and even under a Clinton administration that liberals did not consider arrantly mendacious about policy. It is no longer a response, but a self-standing gesture. Initiated by an external stimulus, this alienated posture has settled in as what one is born to and inhales as a norm, one readily embraced because of its self-congratulatory appeal.

An example is the howling antiestablishment despair typical of heavy-metal music, embraced even by the mild-mannered as “cool.” Similar is the “gangsta” strain of hip-hop, full of excoriations of the police and celebrations of black people as “niggers” engaged in eternal battle against a racist AmeriKKKa, now a staff of life among legions of blacks under 50 and supported by a 70 percent white buyership. The modern American, having never known a time when music like this was not a norm, is given to assuming that it is, in the first case, a natural reflection of the rebelliousness inherent to youth, and, in the second, the inevitable reaction of blacks who have suffered the abuse of racism. Yet hungry Okie migrants knew no such music, nor did the black sharecroppers watching lynchings year by year. No, music like this is the product of an attitudinal tic specific to our times.


The American Beauty: Would they call it that today?

Therapeutic alienation sends ripples throughout the culture. The late comedian Sam Kinison built a career in the Eighties on delighting audiences with tirades capped by open-throated screaming about The Man. Barbie is now fighting for her life against Bratz dolls, provocatively clad with smirky facial expressions hinting that they are not unfamiliar with sex. This is alienation and oppositionalism as fetish, posture, performance.

Alienation as performance, to be sure, began the first time an early Homo sapiens child had a tantrum. But under ordinary conditions of human society, this behavior, while more typical of some individuals than others, does not become a zeitgeist. It is treated as an emotional indulgence that real-life exigencies must keep in check. Societies living on the land, ever in fear that weather or warfare will leave them in danger of starvation, do not know of alienation as sport. Modern America, however, is a wealthy society where few are hungry, and where there has not been a war on our own soil in 150 years (and not one that all able-bodied men were required to participate in in 40 years). Under these conditions, the tantrum no longer constitutes a threat to survival. Enter, then, alienation embraced as a cathartic pose. It is no accident that America saw a preview of the same in the prosperous Twenties, when the Smart Set went about with their copies of the studiously cynical American Mercury, whose editor, Mencken, was devoted more to the rhetorical sonority of trashing the powers that be than fashioning a coherent political alternative.

THE ALIENATED MINORITY

The reign of therapeutic alienation has also upended black America’s orientation to being American. A time traveler to 1907 would find peculiar how openly the black people, just a decade past Plessy v. Ferguson, were striving toward being “American.” At all-black Dunbar High School in Washington, D.C., students were learning Latin. W. E. B. Du Bois taught Greek, and those who cherish his Marxist tilt later in life are often unaware that he could have conversed with Marx in German.

In their smash-hit musical Shuffle Along (1921), Eubie Blake and Noble Sissle included a ballad with language straight out of the operettas popular at the time: “Love will find a way / though now skies are gray / Love like ours can never be ruled / Cupid’s not schooled that way.” A photograph of black women protesting lynching in front of the White House in the Thirties includes a placard reading “Kentucky women demand justice for all American citizens” — as opposed to the more likely version in our own times, which would demand justice for “Black People.”

Since the Sixties, black Americans are much more concerned with maintaining a “black identity” — a term unknown to Victorian-era Du Bois — than with being “American.” Many would claim that this is because being black in America is to experience an ongoing assault from racist actions. But striving for Americanness was typical among a great many blacks in an era starkly racist to a degree we are blissfully past, when, as Richard Wright once put it, successful blacks were rare “single fishes that leap and flash for a split second above the surface of the sea,” “fleeting exceptions to that vast, tragic school that swims below in the depths.”

Of course, quite a few blacks and white fellow-travelers insist that little has changed since Wright wrote; they willfully neglect the fact that today there are more middle-class blacks than poor ones. Ideology also trumps empiricism in the insistences that (a) it’s school underfunding that keeps black grades and test scores down (when many black students are amply documented as thinking of doing well in school as a “white” characteristic) and (b) the reason black men are overrepresented in the prison population must be “the prison-industrial complex” (when black men also commit violent crimes in vast disproportion to their percentage of the population).

The dogged insistence on chronicling “racism” — when the larger problem today is so clearly cultural, and not caused by racism — only makes sense as another manifestation of therapeutic alienation. Again, improved prospects ironically pave the way for staged grievance. When barriers to black advancement were concrete and pitiless, there was no room for poses about an all-too-real injustice. Only now can such routines thrive, lending passing pleasure to a people otherwise rising by the year. The result is that amidst musings on what black identity should be, Africa plays a large part while being “American” is considered beside the point — even though America is the only homeland black Americans have known for centuries, or ever will.

ROOTS OF DISASTER

There certainly exist people in the United States who have a self-conscious and positive sense of their identity as Americans. They are more likely to be military than civilian, conservative rather than liberal, working-class rather than upper-middle. They are on the defensive, regularly dismissed as maudlin and uninformed.

Could there ever again be in the U.S. a widespread sense of pride in a single culture, as has been typical of Greece, China, Thailand, or most other nations in human history? Sadly, I can think of nothing that could create such an America other than a sustained violent attack upon our country. Apparently, the single one that already happened has left the self-medicating oppositional impulse intact. Leftist intellectuals like Noam Chomsky and Susan Sontag were fashioning 9/11 as our just deserts for imperialism even while Ground Zero was still aglow. Chomsky’s pamphlet on the issue sold like hotcakes. Good-thinking people have been taught to view al-Qaeda as freedom fighters sticking a thumb in our eye for our government’s support of Israel.

Yet if we suffered a string of brutal nuclear bombings of several American cities à la television’s 24, in which it became a typical American experience to lose a relative or friend in carnage wrought by fundamentalist Arabs reviling America as the Great Satan, we would suddenly be back to the old days. Tragic, mercilessly concrete reality — maimed corpses, attending funerals as a monthly ritual — would make self-medicating iPod theatrics seem instantly trivial. The urgency of defending the life we know, American life, against murderous barbarians would instantly wake us up to the value of what America, its flaws acknowledged, is, and what it has achieved.

I regret to say that short of that, to be American will continue to be, for most who bother to think about it, what one might term a postmodern position: nurturing a sense of personal legitimacy upon a willful, bitter ambivalence toward a land one has no intention of leaving.

Mr. McWhorter, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, is the author most recently of Winning the Race: Beyond the Crisis in Black America. This essay was prepared for the 2007 Bradley Symposium addressing the topic “Who Are We Today? American Character and Identity in the 21st Century.”
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Not true. White Pride, PETA (animal rights groups) and Environmental Extremist groups do more in this country. Maybe not 9-11 scale but....
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