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Old 04-14-2009, 12:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Law enforcement officials say a tiny, one-dose bag of heroin, costing $5-$10, is cheaper than highly controlled synthetic opiates like Oxycontin or Hydrocodone — and easily accessible to teenagers.

“Unfortunately, today, a bag of heroin can be cheaper than a 6 pack of beer,” said John Gilbride, Special Agent in Charge of the Drug Enforcement Agency’s New York Field Division.
I'd still rather have beer.
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Old 04-14-2009, 01:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Actually, heroine is free. All you have to do is apply for government assistance, and they'll hook you on their heroine and give you no incentive to find a job.
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Actually, heroine is free. All you have to do is apply for government assistance, and they'll hook you on their heroine and give you no incentive to find a job.
HEY! I might be a worthless smack addict and overall loser, but I still have enough dignity to stay off the government dole. Addicts who go on the dole give the other addicts a bad name. (Said entirely in jest, of course. The only things I'm addicted to is Copenhagen and fountain sodas.)
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This is very scary. Seems like we used to have a healthy fear of heroin... don't try it unless you want to be a junkie. Nowadays it's no worse than anything else... dear God, come take us now.
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This is very scary. Seems like we used to have a healthy fear of heroin... don't try it unless you want to be a junkie. Nowadays it's no worse than anything else... dear God, come take us now.
Yeah, heroin USED to be the thing everybody agreed they were too scared to try. But, like everything else, kids are more adventurous than we used to be... like we were more so than our parents. Kids these days are more willing to do a lot more things we wouldn't have considered, and earlier too; just name the topic, sex, guns, serious dope. Who among us would have considered carrying guns all the time, and killing someone over the trivial sh*t kids do these days? A bloody nose from a fistfight was the greatest fear after school in our day... you could pretty much count on that being the worst injury from an altercation. Now you better be sporting body armor.

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Actually, heroine is free. All you have to do is apply for government assistance, and they'll hook you on their heroine and give you no incentive to find a job.
As for the government dole; there seems to be a little lack of understanding on the topic. These new age addicts better not count on being able to get any disability, SS, or SSI because of their status as an addict. Rules for that changed quite a few years ago; and not only aren't folks allowed to get disability due to alcoholism or addiction, it's actually a strike against them now. Back in the old days, alcoholics used to get on disability simply for alcoholism... now they have to show they have a disability unrelated to alcoholism, and they also have to have been sober long enough to prove that their disability is unrelated to alcoholism. That period of sobriety varies; but most people will have to be able to prove they've been sober for at least 3 years, and that their problems working haven't been caused or exacerbated by the alcoholism. The chances that somebody would stay sober for 3 years, solely for an opportunity to get disability and start drinking again are slim to none... basically because somebody who's stayed sober for 3 years has done a helluva lot of work to stay that way, and have probably already reaped many of the benefits of sobriety. In essence, staying sober that long has proved to them it's a better way of life; and they'd rather die than go back to being a chemical slave.

When my friends and I have gone to hospitals and detoxes to speak to people just entering recovery, we make certain they're aware of those things. They frequently say things like, "Well, I met this old-timer at a meeting who said I should apply for disability, because he did it 20 or 30 years ago, and was approved based solely on being an alcoholic.". We have to inform them that, sorry chief, those days are loooong gone... you won't get paid to be a drunk. The primary reason for that is because supporting someone who doesn't have a sound program to keep them sober will just continue to use the money to stay drunk. There's accountability now. If you apply, and use that or addiction as your reason for being unable to work, you'll NEVER get approved. It's been that way for quite awhile now. Working and having experience in the field, along with a mother and cousin who do SS and SSI work, keeps me abreast of the goings-on with that particular element of our society.

Of course, that still doesn't address women who are addicts and/or alcoholics. Women have it much easier than men; and can stay out there on the streets considerably longer, for a variety of reasons... not the least of which, sadly, is their ability to have children. Because women have a natural commodity (men's insatiable desire for sex), they can support their habit considerably longer than a man in a similar situation, who has stolen all he can, and has nothing to sell. Additionally, women with children can get on welfare, and frequently help support their habit that way; since the agencies responsible for seeing to the safety of children is outrageously slow and ineffective... maybe inept and incompetent are better descriptions. For these reasons, recovery rates for women are worse than those for men... women have more options to obtain drugs and reasons to leave treatment (often family reasons). And, because they can stay out there longer, it takes them longer to hit bottom and look for help; and their prognosis for recovery isn't nearly as good, often because of the length of time they've been able to stay out there. Fewer groups are as willing to start treament facilities that cater to women, too; for all those various reasons. They frequently leave early because they think they need to be home with their families... never realizing, of course, that in their current condition, they're no good to their families and are actually detrimental to the overall health of the family.
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Yeah, heroin USED to be the thing everybody agreed they were too scared to try. But, like everything else, kids are more adventurous than we used to be... like we were more so than our parents. Kids these days are more willing to do a lot more things we wouldn't have considered, and earlier too; just name the topic, sex, guns, serious dope. Who among us would have considered carrying guns all the time, and killing someone over the trivial sh*t kids do these days? A bloody nose from a fistfight was the greatest fear after school in our day... you could pretty much count on that being the worst injury from an altercation. Now you better be sporting body armor.
It's all in the way children are raised. I'm in the generation you're talking about and I was raised to stay away from those kind of drugs and violence, because I was blessed with awesome parents.

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It's all in the way children are raised. I'm in the generation you're talking about and I was raised to stay away from those kind of drugs and violence, because I was blessed with awesome parents.

Just a comment.. I don't wanna bring up the whole parenting issue
Wish I could agree, but I've seen too, too many kids who come from good families and were raised well fall into the wrong crowd and get into some bad sh*t.
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Wish I could agree, but I've seen too, too many kids who come from good families and were raised well fall into the wrong crowd and get into some bad sh*t.
Unfortunately, that's a fact. Home-training can help; but there is no known absolute cure for that sh*t. I've known plenty of people with great families and support who've fallen just as hard as the kids with no parental supervision or input. Once you leave the house, all bets are off; and sometimes no amount of parental teaching can overcome the peer pressure kids face. It doesn't take abuse or depression or any of the various excuses people come up with to go wrong. All it takes is a sufficient amount of curiosity, and enough of that thing all teenagers seem to have... the idea that they know themselves better than their parents, and that they're invincible. That's often the recipe; kids thinking they're bullet-proof and always right. Hopefully, they don't have to get dead to find out otherwise.

I'll agree though, that there's a real problem with parents not taking enough time and interest in their kids' lives these days, for a variety of reasons (both parents must work, computers instead of group sports, clubs, etc., etc.); and that's ONE reason the problem continues to be so prevalant. But, it's definitely not the only factor... kids who have perfect upbringings go down the wrong path, too. Addiction and violence don't discriminate.
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This is very scary. Seems like we used to have a healthy fear of heroin... don't try it unless you want to be a junkie. Nowadays it's no worse than anything else... dear God, come take us now.
In essence, it's really no different than OC. Both are opiates, both will hook you, both will kill you.
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In essence, it's really no different than OC. Both are opiates, both will hook you, both will kill you.
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In essence, it's really no different than OC. Both are opiates, both will hook you, both will kill you.
I have realized I am addicted to the natural opiates created by my own body. This is even worse... a never-ending supply of my drug.
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I'm all doped up on OC's rite now cuz of my arm. I've done my fair share of drugs but pills just dont do it 4 me. I like the fact that I can't really feel jagged bones poking into my muscles, but the goofiness from this ain't 4 me. Plus opiates make ya itchy.


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In essence, it's really no different than OC. Both are opiates, both will hook you, both will kill you.
Actually more people die from prescription drugs each year than all other drugs combined. This trend will undoubtedly continue as long as we wage an ineffective battle against addiction and continue to let drug companies decide what is safe for us and what isnt. They originally released oxycontin as a safe, non-habit forming alternative to other opiates. Who in the hell did they think they were kidding?

We fight in Afghanistan and try to slow down opium production but continue to let drug companies flood our streets with stuff thats just as dangerous. Guess its alright though cause its American companies making the money
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