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Well, there's no one person that you can blame really. Who's ultimately responsible? The Israelis, Palestinians, Saudis or Iraqis? Personally, given that this attack was on such a grand and tedious scale, it required more than just a few suicidal individuals with a cause. This attack required routes, times, positions and everything was timed perfectly. Me personally, I think it was a joint operation between the US and Israel.

After researching this for a full two (2) days, I have found a good bit of information that could possibly validate at least part of my assumptions. Below you will find my observations. Some are directly copied from other sites and some are my own typed up opinions. This is just a summation of my feelings and I will write a full blown report in the next few days.

USA:
The United States has been slowly trying to limit our liberties one day at a time and establish a "New World Order." This is turn would become no more than a dictatorship. See the "Patriot Act 1&2" and the "Intelligence Reform Act." Both of those proposed laws nullify many of our rights in the Constitution. What would the US gain by inflicting harm on itself? Well, there is only one way to put this. Fear is one of the most powerful tools available for manipulating a group of people to do your bidding. This has been proven throughout military history, used brilliantly by everyone from the leaders of ancient Persia to the political leaders of today. Whether there is an actual enemy or not, a fearful populace is a willing populace. Therefore, in the absence of a real enemy, one needs simply to create a convincing alternative. Keep the people in fear, and they will support your agenda - it's very simple, really, and it works. As of now, the Patriot Act has been singed into law and the US Government wants to extend it's powers with the Patriot Act 2 & the Intelligence Reform Act. Don't let the word reform fool you. There isn't a bit of reform in this act. Not to mention that President Bush does NOT think highly of Arabs. Could there be a religious twist to this story?

How do you scare someone? You scare them by creating panic and confusion. If you don't have relative enemies, create them. Case in mind, Osama Bin Laden, which by the way was a US ally in the 80's. The plan was very simple. Execute mass killing and scare the hell outta everyone so they can depend on big brother government to protect them. It's like what John Ashcroft said that is so touching.

"We must suspend certain freedoms to protect your freedoms and catch terrorists."

Patriot Act: http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/ifissues/usapatriotact.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RS21203.pdf
http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/Safe...ID=12263&c=206
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...162enr.txt.pdf

Patriot Act 2: http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.pht...Patriot_Act_II
http://www.lib.washington.edu/Suzref/patriot-act/

What kind of mentality is that? Do you think that Americans are really that ignorant? Obviously so, because all 131 pages of law were ratified and signed into law by President Bush less than 6 weeks after 9/11. The original draft of the USA Patriot Act was a whopping 2000 pages long. Due to time constraints and wanting to get it signed quickly, a lot of the petty stuff was trashed and it was passed shortly thereafter. What I find ironic is that the president proposed the so called USA Patriot Act eight (8) days after 9/11. Why so quickly? Unless they already had prior knowledge of 9/11 and was planning to use scare tactics to pass this bill. You don't write up 2000 pages and check the legalities in eight days time. I don't buy it.

Now we get to the nitty gritty. Who is capable of pulling this off. As I stated, the only other government that could entertain an operation of this scale and magnitude that's not an enemy is Israel. Israel has one of the world's best intelligence services and is tied into a lot of sensitive networks in the USA. Who would be better advisors or so called experts in dealing with terrorism? Israel deals with it everyday.

You have to be asking why would Israel help with something like this? Well, look at the picture one frame at a time. Who are Israel's enemies? There's Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, Lebanon, IRAQ and the rest of the muslim world. Remember the Iraqi's fired on Israel during Desert Storm.

Okay, so we have a possibilty of Israeli involvement. What would the Israeli's get in return? Well, how about the systematic removal of the very countries that threaten your existance? Hmmm, now we may be onto something. First Saddam Hussein of Iraq was removed from power and now we have our sights on the Ayatolla of Iran.

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Israel:

Did anyone know that 5 Israelis were arrested on 9/11 after eye witnesses claimed they saw them cheering and conducting surveillance on the WTC during the attacks. Shortly thereafter, they packed up their equipment and drove away in a white Chevrolet van. Below is a transcript of the 911 call.
One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York's bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here’s the transcript from NBC News:
Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab.

Why would this mystery caller specifically say that these “Arabs” were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians usually dress in western style clothes, not “sheikh uniforms”. Based on that phone call, police then issued a “Be-on-the-Lookout” alert for a white mini-van heading for the city’s bridges and tunnels from New Jersey. When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious “middle-easterners” were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!
According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:

"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem."

The police and FBI field agents really became suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/12/WTC_Mysteries3.html

The Jerusalem Post later reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge. Of Course, the Post did not reveal the true ethnicity of the suspects. Here’s what the Jerusalem Post reported on September 12, 2001:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/jpost.html

Is it pure coincidence that Al-Qaeda use huge truck bombs as a hallmark of their terror campaign?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/forget.html

It appears as if there may actually have been two white vans involved, one stopped on each crossing. This would not only explain the conflicting reports as to the actual location of the arrests, but would also explain how so many credible eye-witnesses all saw celebrating "middle-easterners" in a white van in so many different locations. It also explains why the New York Post and Steve Gordon (lawyer for the 5 Israelis) originally described how three Israelis were arrested but later increased the total to five.
Perhaps one van was meant to drop off a bomb while the other was meant to pick up the first set of drivers while re-crossing back into New Jersey? If a van was to be used as a parked time-bomb on the GW Bridge, then certainly the drivers would need to have a "get-away van" to pick them up and escape. And notice how the van (or vans) stayed away from the third major crossing -the Holland Tunnel- which was where the police had originally been directed to by that anti-Palestinian 9-1-1 "mystery caller". A classic misdirection play.

From there, the story gets becomes even more suspicious. The Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the The Record of New Jersey that a majority of his co-workers were Israelis and they were all joking about the attacks. 'I was in tears,' the man said. 'These guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were like, "Now America knows what we go through."

The identities and nationalities of the employees were confirmed by the Jerusalem Post. What authorities have not elaborated on is the connection between the confiscated Sears Tower video that was found in Pennsylvania and the antics of Urban Moving System's employees. Additionally, the INS has recently signed papers that will allow the detained Israeli's to be deported without having to stand trial for possible involvement in the events of September 11th. Was the fourth plane headed toward the Sears Tower before it made an abrupt turn over Ohio?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/sears2.html

A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System's Israeli owner, Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country for Israel. He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System's customers were left with their furniture stranded in storage facilities.

http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/press/storage.htm

It was later confirmed that the five detained Israelis were in fact Israeli Mossad (Secret Service) agents. They were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. Some of the movers had been kept in solitary confinement for 40 days.

http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.03.15/news2.html

Several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. One of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11?
It doesn’t take an IQ of 1000+ to connect the dots of the dancing Israeli Mossad agents - here's the most logical scenario:

1. The Israeli “movers” cheered the 9-11 attacks to celebrate the successful accomplishment of the greatest spy operation ever pulled off in history.

2. One of them, or an accomplice, then calls a 9-1-1 police dispatcher to report Palestinian bomb-makers in a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel.

3. Having thus pre-framed the Palestinians/Arabs with this phone call, the Israeli bombers then head for the George Washington Bridge instead, where they will drop off their time-bomb van and escape with Urban Moving accomplices.

4. But the police react very wisely and proactively by closing off ALL bridges and tunnels instead of just the Holland Tunnel. This move inadvertently foils the Israelis’ misdirection play and leads to their own capture and 40 day torture.

5. To cover up this story, the U.S. Justice Department rounds up over 1000 Arabs for minor immigration violations and places them in New York area jails. The Israelis therefore become less conspicuous as the government and media can now claim that the Israelis were just immigration violators caught in the same dragnet as many other Arabs.

6. After several months, FBI and Justice Department “higher-ups” are able to gradually push aside the local FBI agents and free the Israelis quietly.


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Continued from Part 2...


The compliant mainstream media completely ignored the Israeli connection. Immediately following the 9-11 attacks, the media was filled with stories linking the attacks to bin Laden. TV talking-heads, “experts”, and scribblers of every stripe spoon-fed a gullible American public a steady diet of the most outrageous propaganda imaginable. We were told the reason bin Laden attacked the USA was because he hates our “freedom” and “democracy”. We were told Muslims were “medieval” and wanted to destroy us because they envied our wealth, were still bitter about the Crusades, and they were offended by Britney Spears shaking her boobs and azz all over the place!

Bin Laden strongly denied any role in the attacks and he suggested they were orchestrated by Zionists. The BBC published his statement of denial, in it he said:

"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks."

You never heard that quote on your nightly newscast did you? To date, the only shred of evidence to be uncovered against Bin Laden was a barely audible fuzzy amateur video that the Pentagon just happened to find "lying around" in Afghanistan. How very convenient.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

There is no evidence, be it hard or circumstantial, to link the Al-Qaeda "terrorist network" to these acts of terror, but there is a mountain of evidence, both hard and circumstantial, which suggests that the Zionist Mafia has been very busy framing Arabs for terror plots against America.

One last thing. At 0940 on 9/11 Abu Dhabi television reported that the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsiblity for the attacks. This claim was immediately denied by the DFLP leader Qais abu Leila who said it had always opposed "terror attacks on civilian targets, especially outside the occupied territories."

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/eu...ntre.reaction/


Why would a Palestinian organisation comprising of less than 500 people make the suicidal move of immediately claiming responsibility for the attacks?


One thing is for sure, if the the Israelis had successfully framed the Palestinians/Arabs for the 9/11 attacks then Ariel Sharon and his government would have had the perfect excuse to expel the Palestinian population from the West Bank and Gaza Strip because the citizens there would have been labelled as terrorists.


So ask yourself. Are you sure that Osama Bin Laden without a doubt is responsibile for 9/11?

Just read each one in order. There is a character limit so I had to break it up into multiple parts.

yes, he was the finances atleast. he has said many times- i know the media can edit things for their own personal use but besides that fact- he knew about the attacks, was happy that it happened, and it was a victory for muslems and their jihad against america. if he was not atleast partof- which i am certian he played a role in- the 9-11 attacks, we are in a war on terrorsts, of wich he is one. we should not let a man of his power get a second chance- 1st if you dont believe he was part of the attacks of 9-11- he has threatened us and should not be allowed to harm any more unexpecting and innocent americans. as bush has said we are at war with terrorists. we will not rest until we are safe. we are not safe with a man like ben laden in power and i dont want more people to die because of letting a man like ben laden go free -ahem bill clinton-ahem-- atleast thats my $.02

Great work, greatly appreciate the effort. I don't know where to start, you gave so much info, so I'll try to cover everything. 1st of all I can see Israel having alot to gain by this. In Sept. 2000, 1 year prior to the attacks, the Palestinians resumed attacks on Israel after a negotiated seize-fire negotiated by the U.S. (1998 Wye river accords maybe?). 2nd, I remember reading in some online media that Osama initially denied the attacks. Maybe our gov't found him soon after the attacks and paid him to hide out and make tapes every so often, it's not out of the realm of possibility, considering we paid him in the 80's to fight the U.S.S.R., he wasn't a stranger to our payroll. I don't know what to think of the Israeli agents though. Hell I just found out yesterday that 1 of the flights didn't even happen, the pentagon was not hit by flight AA 77, I saw that with my own eyes for god's sake, and am still dumbfounded. The problem I have is where did that plane and it's crew go? B/c if it crashed on land anywhere and I mean anywhere, someone, somewhere would have reported it. End of Part 1.....

The only thing about that is we do not have real evidence to prove that Osama had something to do with this. Just the US Government's word that he did, but we have MOUNTAINS of evidence against the Israelis. Don't get me wrong, this guy is sick and he needs to be thrown in a cell and throw away the cell, but we need to do that for a crime he committed and not for a crime he didn't commit.

I honestly do not think that Osama Bin Laden had anything to do with what happened on Sept. 11th. This operation was so concise, technical and everything depended on timing. This incident is bigger than Osama and Al-Qaida. Only a high powered government with an endless payroll could be so precise. Have you ever noticed the endless support the US shows for Israel no matter what the circumstances are?

There are very good motives for the Israelis obviously, hell Arafat is suspected of being poisened, the most important figure of the Arab/muslim movement of the 20th century. The Israelis love that we took over two countries and maybe more to come, plus they are able to keep an inept right wing leader like Sharon in b/c the country would favor a right wing gov't in time of fear, much like the U.S. reelecting Bush. BTW Benjamin Nentanyahu and Bill Clinton brokered the most peace between Israel and PLO ever, left-wingers! Anyways, is oil a part of this? Of course, it could be, the Bush family(and I'm not being biased here, or trying to be anti-bush, b/c I'm really not like that) has documented ties to Saudis and Saudi oil. 16 of the 19 hi-jackers were Saudi. Bottom Line for me:....... Real People were murdered, real people, innocent ppl lost their lives on Sept. 11th. Somebody needs to be held accountable and responsible. The truth needs to surface, no matter how ugly that truth is, no matter who is ultimately responsible, that person needs to be punished, whether it be our gov't, the israelis, or terrorists. Somehow, someway, american citizens like ourselves need to know the truth, we are owed that much, our family died on Sept. 11th, and continues to die in Iraq and Afghanistan (my best friend for 16 years is in Iraq right now BTW), if he and ppl like him are going to continue to risk their lives, we need to know what the hell really happened and what the hell is really going on.....

Osama is guilty of other crimes at least, he was on the FBI's most wanted prior to 2001, at least dating back to 1998. He was behind the africa embassy bombings which recieved no press btw, I wonder why, it was a story for like 2 hrs, that's it, and it was a timed and coordinated attack. He is also responsible for the 1996 attacks on U.S. bunkers in Saudi Arabia, 1993 Somalia (trace amounts), and some attack in 1989, not sure what that was....

Like I stated earlier....

"One thing is for sure, if the the Israelis had successfully framed the Palestinians/Arabs for the 9/11 attacks then Ariel Sharon and his government would have had the perfect excuse to expel the Palestinian population from the West Bank and Gaza Strip because the citizens there would have been labelled as terrorists."

Then the US Government gets what they want too. Power and control over it's citizens, oil and less muslims.

At least the Supreme court is fighting this to some extent and some communities across america. The supreme court has already struck down 2 parts to the patriot act claiming it is unconstitutional, obviously. Also, I'm not sure if you're aware but cities and counties across america are voting and refusing to accept the patriot act, esp. a bunch in california and oregon, I believe San Francisco is one of the biggest cities not to recognize the act. City/County Councils voted, and in some cases referendums passed, which makes me optimistic, there is hope for this country, as long as freedom loving ppl are willing to fight tyranny....

Yes they are fighting it, but it's rather scary that the US Government may be doing it anyways.

Under the USA Patriot Act 1 & 2 the USG can....

1. Arrest you and deny you an attorney regardless of your citizenship.
2. Search you or your property without a Federal warrant and without your knowledge.
3. Hold you indefinitely without due process. (See USA born citizen: Jose Padillia)
4. Conduct electronic/human surveillance with/without a warrant or probable cause.
5. Deport you even if you are a US citizen without due process of law.

This is a crash-course short list of things that the USA Patriot Act allows the DOJ (Dept. of Justice) to do. Scary isn't it?

BTW: The US Government was ordered by the US Supreme Court last year to charge American born Jose Padillia or release him immediately. He is still sitting in a military brig in Charleston, SC. He has been in that brig since 01 without an attorney, family visits and due process of law. The funny thing is that he's not even Islamic. He's hispanic of Cuban decent.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."


"The government is best that governs least."



"A bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth, general or particular; and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference."



Thomas Jefferson

Like I said, I have hope b/c of freedom loving ppl like us, I know I'm willing and I know alot of other ppl willing to spill blood just like my entire family has done before me, I've had members of my family fight in every major U.S. conflict, and had 3 that died in the line of duty as police officers, and their are many ppl/families like mine who are willing to sacrifice their lives to ensure freedom....

Like the saying in New Hampshire......


"Live free or die!"