My theory on Sept. 11, 2001 - Page 3

got2skigrl · 12-30-2004, 03:28 PM

if you dont like it there are many things you can do besides complain.... write a letter to congress man/ senator, start a petition to end this law ect. i am not saying if this law is right or wrong im just giving the other sides arguments and saying this act is provided for because of previous similar acts, wich is how our government works

got2skigrl · 12-30-2004, 03:30 PM

you know whats funny? im a libertarian too

Neo · 12-30-2004, 03:49 PM

More twists to the 9/11 story?

The possibility that 19 Muslim men accused of being the Sept. 11 hijackers were not, in fact, the hijackers, is not so extraordinary an idea as it might seem.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/051...evidence_.html

Some of the suspects apparently used the stolen identities of at least five Saudis who worked in the airline industry as pilots, mechanics and flight attendants — people who would have had increased access in airports, a Saudi government official told the Sun-Sentinel.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...profiles.story

At least 7 of the 9/11 hijackers are still alive and are protesting their innocence.

Alleged hijackers:

American Airlines Flight 11
Boeing 767-223ER. Fuel capacity 24,000 gallons
Scheduled flight: Boston - Los Angeles
Flight departed 07:59 a.m.
Crashed into WTC 1 08:46 a.m.

Satam M.A. Al Suqami: Investigators discovered the passport of Satam al Suqami, one of the terrorists aboard American Airlines Flight 11, the first plane to hit the World Trade Center.

Waleed M. Alshehri - (Alive) Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September. Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1559151.stm

Wail M. Alshehri - (Alive) A man by the same name is a pilot whose father is a Saudi diplomat in Bombay. "I personally talked to both father and son today," [said Gaafar Allagany, head of the Saudi Embassy's information center.]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...101probe.story

Mohamed Atta - (Alive?) (Mohamed) Atta and (Abdulaziz) Alomari boarded a 6:00 a.m. flight from Portland to Boston's Logan International Airport.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NGEO7S1221.DTL

Atta's car was found abandoned at Boston's Logan Airport. [ABC News] How did Atta's car end up at Logan Airport?

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12...ion.terrorism/

A trail of evidence led investigators into Tuesday's terrorist attacks from one abandoned rental car in Portland, Maine, to two houses in Vero Beach, Florida. One of the Vero Beach houses had been rented by two brothers from Saudi Arabia. Inside it were two pilot's certificates in the names of Adnan Bukhari and his brother, Ameer Abbas Bukhari.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1542153.stm

The two rented a car, a silver-blue Nissan Altima, from an Alamo car rental at Boston's Logan Airport and drove to an airport in Portland, Maine, where they got on US Airways Flight 5930 at 6 a.m. Tuesday headed back to Boston, the sources said.

Before CNN learned the identities of the two brothers, Portland Police Chief Mike Chitwood said, "I can tell you those two individuals did get on a plane and fly to Boston early yesterday morning ... I can tell you that they are the focus of a federal investigation." Adnan Bukhari's name reportedly appears on the American Airlines Flight Eleven manifest.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/2..._nosuspect.asp

The second abandoned rental car was discovered in Boston's Logan Airport, where two of the hijacked flights originated. It too led investigators to the Florida homes of two pilots: Mohammed Atta and Marwan Yousef Al-Shehhi.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1542153.stm

It would appear that the Bukharis' were the intended Portland patsies, but there were a couple of problems with this scenario. These unforeseen problems ultimately resulted in Atta 'inexplicably' abandoning two cars in two airports on 9/11.

got2skigrl · 12-30-2004, 03:51 PM

The Patriot Act, passed shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, has earned a critical eye over its provision that allows investigators to conduct searches and delay notification to*suspects if officials believe it would jeopardize the investigation. The law also authorizes nationwide search warrants for terrorism investigations, including for e-mail records, computer billing records and Internet use.

Quoting such figures as former Presidents Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln, Ashcroft says the new tools provided by the act are well grounded in the Constitution and have been vital to preventing terrorist attacks.

"We have used the tools provided in the Patriot Act to fulfill our first responsibility to protect the American people. We have used these tools to prevent terrorists from unleashing more death and destruction on our soil," Ashcroft said in a speech in Boise, Idaho, last month.

"We have used these tools to save innocent American lives. We have used these tools to provide the security that ensures liberty," he said.

Out of 535 members of Congress, 455 voted in favor of the Patriot Act following the terrorist attacks of September 11.

Part of the Patriot Act included a law enforcement tool called “sneak and peek,” which allows officials to execute a search warrant without the prior knowledge of the individual to be searched. It was okay in the fervor after September 11, but it’s not okay now.

Apparently Congress did not realize that AG Ashcroft did not discover or invent something new, but that “sneak and peek” had been around legally since the Supreme Court upheld the practice in 1979. But now it’s John Ashcroft’s fault.

The purpose of “sneak and peek” being in the Patriot Act is to catch terrorists before they terrorize. In fact, the Patriot Act narrows the use of “sneak and peek” by putting into law when such an action is permissible.

They now claim that “sneak and peek” violates our rights. Forget about the rights of people who fly in airliners or are otherwise caught in the wrong place at the wrong time when terrorists decide to carry out their heinous plans.

During all of the hand wringing over the Patriot Act, much of the wailing has been about proposals that never made it into the law. I don’t even care if John Ashcroft himself is hiding in the bushes in my front yard so long as he doesn’t trample my plants. But the point is, he is not in the bushes (the Democrats love those Bush puns) and he will not be hiding in the bushes because I don’t behave as described in the law.

I’m a “slippery slope” kind of guy, and I worry about abuse of power by the government. So long as law enforcement discerns those who break the law from those who do not, then we law-abiding folks have nothing to worry about. Have we not considered that every single day, long before the Patriot Act, law enforcement has made such distinctions? Bad guys and those suspected of being bad guys get treated one way, good guys get treated another.

By Brian W. Peterson

12-30-2004, 03:58 PM		#35 (permalink)
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are you a woman? Just curious b/c that would definately make sense, women hardly ever question more laws and less freedom as long as it makes them feel "safer." I know that's a broad statement and generalization but that's usually how it is. If you are a man, grow a pair and start defending the freedom that our forefathers gave us. We need more ppl like Del to keep the gov't in check. The gov't was not even close to the size/scope that it is today than when it was in 1789. It's time to draw a line in the sand....

12-30-2004, 04:05 PM		#36 (permalink)
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9/11 Story Continued: It would appear that the Bukharis' were the intended Portland patsies, but there were a couple of problems with this scenario. These unforeseen problems ultimately resulted in Atta 'inexplicably' abandoning two cars in two airports on 9/11. Mohamed Atta spoke excellent German - good enough to correct other students' texts - as well as fluent English and Arabic. http://specials.ft.com/attackonterro...3LAJ6UMUC.html Atta and two other suspected hijackers reported their passports stolen in late 1999. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sta...r/people_2.stm Dekkers knew that Atta had lived in Hamburg, Germany and one day [in 2000] spoke to him in German as a way of friendly communication. Atta was stunned and quickly walked away. An imposter could pretend to be Atta, but he couldn't pretend to speak German. Abdulaziz Alomari - (Alive) He is an example of FBI improvisation. The original pilot for Flight 11 was named as Abdul Rahman Al-Omari, the problem is he turned out to be alive. Undeterred, the FBI found a new Al-Omari to replace the alive 'hijacker'. There's just one problem with his replacement - he too is alive. Abdul Rahman Al-Omari, a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines: U.S. officials in Riyadh offered Abdul Rahman Said al-Omari an official apology in the presence of Saudi interior ministry officials for including his name among the list of suspects in the U.S. terrorist attacks, news agencies reported Monday. Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, told the Saudi daily Al-Watan that he was amazed to see his name on the FBI's list of suspects allegedly involved in the attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center Tuesday, Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported. Omari said he returned to Saudi Arabia in early September after undergoing training for one year in the United States, AFP added. Abdulaziz Al-Omari has the same name and birth date as the named FBI "terrorist", but he has no idea how to fly: "I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this." Mr Al-Omari said his passport was stolen when his apartment in Denver, Colorado, was burgled in 1995. He had been studying engineering at Denver University since 1993. He was given a new passport in Riyadh on December 31, 1995 and returned to America to resume his studies in January 1996. On September 10, 2001 Atta and Al-Omari were photographed by a Fast Green ATM located in the parking lot of UNO's restaurant, 280 Maine Mall Road, South Portland, Maine. http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/100401.htm Why is the FBI being allowed to openly lie about the identity of the person in the above photograph? Check out the maifest for AA Flight 11. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tra...1.victims.html The Strange Case Of The Destroyed Black Box And The Indestructible Passport? All four Black Boxes were supposedly destroyed and rendered unusable in spite of the fact that they are designed specifically for plane crashes which result in insurmountable conditions...yet one of the hijackers passports supposedly survives fire and heat of over 1,000 degrees fahrenheit and is found in perfect shape in the rubble around the WTC towers? What kind of idiots does the FBI take us for? http://www.rense.com/general13/strangecase.htm
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12-30-2004, 04:14 PM		#37 (permalink)
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give her the truth del....

12-30-2004, 04:17 PM		#38 (permalink)
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How indestructible are the so-called "Black Boxes"? Each airplane is equipped with a Flight Data Recorder and a Cockpit Voice Recorded. The term "Black Box" is used for these pieces of equipment. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) web site gives valuable information regarding these devices. Regarding the Cockpit Voice Recorder it says: "The CVR records the flight crew's voices, as well as other sounds inside the cockpit. The recorder's "cockpit area microphone" is usually located on the overhead instrument panel between the two pilots. Sounds of interest to an investigator could be engine noise, stall warnings, landing gear extension and retraction, and other clicks and pops. From these sounds, parameters such as engine rpm, system failures, speed, and the time at which certain events occur can often be determined. Communications with Air Traffic Control, automated radio weather briefings, and conversation between the pilots and ground or cabin crew are also recorded." http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/CVR_FDR.htm They are meant to be the hardy and sure way to get information regarding the last minutes before the plane went down. Here are the specifications of these devices including what they can withstand: FLIGHT DATA RECORDER Time recorded: 25 hour continuous Number of parameters: 5 - 300+ Impact tolerance: 3400Gs /6.5ms Fire resistance: 1100 degC/30 min Water pressure resistance: submerged 20,000 ft Underwater locator beacon: 37.5 KHz Battery: 6yr shelf life 30 day operation COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER Time recorded: 30 min continuous, 2 hours for solid state digital units Number of channels: 4 Impact tolerance: 3400 Gs /6.5ms Fire resistance: 1100 deg C /30 min Water pressure resistance: submerged 20,000 ft Underwater locator beacon: 37.5 KHz Battery: 6yr shelf life 30 day operation These specifications indicate equipment which can survive just about any conditions and any crash. Indeed, Black Boxes have been recovered from crashes in swamps, mountains, and oceans. ABC News reports: "Although investigators look for an entire black box, sometimes the only parts of the device that survive are the recorder's crash-survivable memory units (CSMU). THE CSMU IS ALMOST INDESTRUCTABLE. It is housed within a stainless-steel shell that contains titanium or aluminum and a high-temperature insulation of dry silica material." "It is designed to withstand HEAT OF UP TO 2,000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT FOR ONE HOUR, salt water for at least 30 days, immersion in a variety of liquids such as jet fuel and lubricants, AND AN IMPACT OF 3,400 G's. By comparison, astronauts are typically exposed to up to six Gs during a shuttle takeoff." So the Black Box is designed to withstand an impact of 3,400 G's. So what about the Pennsylvania crash site? "THE VOICE RECORDER WAS SAID TO BE HEAVILY DAMAGED, and the manufacturer was being asked to help with further analysis. The plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was reported to have hit the ground in excess of 500 MILES PER HOUR." The plane hit the ground at 500 mph. Taking the weight of the plane, its speed of descent, the G's end up much, much lower than 3,400. Since each plane has two seperate Black Boxes which are designed to be indestructable in the event of a tragedy, that makes a total of EIGHT BLACK BOXES. If we are to believe that all the Black Boxes were damaged beyond use, then that is to say EIGHT BLACK BOXES in total were destroyed, while a measley paper passport survived. Then the final paragraph of the same article says: "Investigators are less confident they will recover the black boxes buried underneath the rubble of the World Trade Center." So there is no hope of recovering the virtually indestructable Black Box from the rubble, but a paper passport survives in such a perfect state that it is "a significant piece of evidence"? CNN reports one of the hijackers passports was found in the rubble of the World Trade Center vicinity: http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/17...ism/index.html http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16...ack/index.html "The searchers found several clues, he said, but would not elaborate. Last week, a passport belonging to one of the hijackers was found in the vicinity of Vesey Street, near the World Trade Center. 'It was a significant piece of evidence for us,' Mawn said." "In New York, several blocks from the ruins of the World Trade Center, a passport authorities said belonged to one of the hijackers was discovered a few days ago, according to city Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik." Aside from the idiocy of any suggestion that a passport would survive a plane crash that is allegedly so severe it destroys the virtually indestructable Black Box, we are also led to believe that the passport "flew away", out of the hijackers pocket, down a few blocks from the WTC grounds. Why a few blocks away? Could it be because it was a place out of everyone's sight?
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12-30-2004, 04:29 PM		#40 (permalink)
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Continued 9/11 Story: It is also well known that paper was strewn all over the scene of the plane crash. This was due to the sudden shattering of the windows which would immediately eject all paper materials out of the building before incineration. A passport in someone's pocket who is sitting on a plane that explodes will suffer the same fate as the person whose pocket it is in, and the plane they are sitting in: absolute cremation. United Airlines flight 93 crashed into a field in Pennsylvania. There was no explosion and no impact into a building and no 100+ story towers crashed down on top of it. Yet, we are led to believe that both of its Black Boxes were destroyed and/or damaged beyond use as well. Other airline tragedies also reveal that in each and every case the Black Box is recovered, albeit damaged, but with full usability. Such crashes include EgyptAir flight 990, a 767, and TWA flight 800, a 747. Both crashes resulted in tremendous compromise of the planes physical integrity, but in spite of this the Cockpit Voice Recorders were recovered. So we have established that the survival of a passport of someone in an exploded plane is lunacy. However, for the sake of argument lets say the passport survived. If the passport did indeed survive then so did the Black Box. If the Black Box did indeed survive as we have proven beyond a shred of doubt, then why the complete and utter lie that it was damaged beyond use? What are they hiding? This will be dealt with irrefutably in the next section of this analysis into the corruption which has seeped into the U.S. government, its foreign policy and its intelligence services. This analysis has just begun, yet any sound minded person is already forced to question the validity of this entire farce. I intend to dismantle this investigation piece by piece as time allows. If the American people are so concerned with finding justice, why aren't more exposing these inconsistencies, fabrications and outright lies as I have? Do we Americans want JUSTICE SERVED or do we want MORE BLOOD of innocent civilians? Thus far, in the United States of America, due to the anger over the tragedy dubbed "PENTTBOM", there have been at least three homicidal attacks against immigrants. Now an overwhelming 80% of them are supporting an invasion into a remote country that has absolutely nothing to do with this tragedy. Instead of using their heads to get to the bottom of this and prosecute the criminals behind this act, they are killing their neighbors, and laying the heads of good American soldiers and innocent Afghan women and children on the chopping block. I say "them" at this point and not "us", because I distance myself from those who commit hate crimes in the name of "America" whom I have just described. Someone is playing a very sick game upon us all right under our noses, and it will cost us our very lives if we do not STOP them. ABC News reports: "...And 69 percent say they'd support military action even if it means a long war with substantial U.S. military casualties." You want "substantial U.S. military casualties"? What the hell is wrong with everyone? The Afghans have never lost a war in 800 years. They not only drove the Russians out of their country but it lead to the dissolution of the Soviet Empire. They have brought empire after empire to their knees. In a CNN interview with Jill Dougherty, Leo Korolkov who trained the Russian Special Forces (equivalent of our Delta Force) said he saw Afghans shot to ribbons and ripped to pieces still charging at them. In his words: "These fighters can bring any country, even a superpower -- be it Russia, the United States or Europe -- to the brink of catastrophe." Here's a comment from someone that is familiar with these "Black Boxes" "I have dealt with the manufacture of military hot section parts for 25+ years. I know the alloys that are used. I know their cost and their worth as scrap metal. I also know that the alloys used in the manufacture of the Black Boxes are of this type material. Very well, you say. But so what? ... there is more to it... I have seen these black boxes and also their contents. They are incredibly simple - but incredibly ingenious. Picture a pile of newspapers or magazines in the dump, in a fire, only the outer edges are damaged-after years of sitting. They are made of P A P E R. The black boxes are made of extremely strong and resilient materials. More importantly, the material that holds the information is not what the FBI would like you to know about. This material is made of the most indestructible alloys known to man. They can take temperatures over 2000 Deg. F and never know that they had been hot! They can survive salt water immersion for a lot longer (years) than investigators would let them lay there. (They are usually found within a few days.) But most importantly, they are not simple tapes or cassettes made of plastic, but they are thin strips of this "hot-section" type "super" alloy. The same type as used in the afterburner sections of the F-15's and F-16's--the parts that get white hot, over, and over, and over and still keeps on working. But - and here is the beginning of what is truly brilliant, they are marked with a stylus not so much different than that of our old 33 1/3 vinyl albums, but in reverse. The information is scribed into this alloy along with timing "nicks" for time/date reference. Here comes the good part: Now, the marked strip is "rolled" up into a continuous roll of high temperature alloy that by design only allows the EDGES of the roll to be exposed to damage (THE DATA ARE IN THE CENTER OF THE STRIP), while the mass of the continuous strip shields the "whole" from damage. What we have is a nearly indestructible roll of data material inside of a nearly indestructible box that is not unlike the magazines or newspaper that survives years of exposure and can still be read as P A P E R!!!! So, when the FBI tells us that the boxes were nearly destroyed--you can think perhaps...BUT, during their near destruction (or even total destruction), they did what they were designed to do--to protect the metal roll that by design is nearly indestructible by itself. NO DATA?--BALONEY!!!!!!!" As for what Israel had to say about the 9/11 attacks: "On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attack would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: "It's very good…….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)"
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12-30-2004, 03:51 PM		#34 (permalink)
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The Patriot Act, passed shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, has earned a critical eye over its provision that allows investigators to conduct searches and delay notification to*suspects if officials believe it would jeopardize the investigation. The law also authorizes nationwide search warrants for terrorism investigations, including for e-mail records, computer billing records and Internet use. Quoting such figures as former Presidents Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln, Ashcroft says the new tools provided by the act are well grounded in the Constitution and have been vital to preventing terrorist attacks. "We have used the tools provided in the Patriot Act to fulfill our first responsibility to protect the American people. We have used these tools to prevent terrorists from unleashing more death and destruction on our soil," Ashcroft said in a speech in Boise, Idaho, last month. "We have used these tools to save innocent American lives. We have used these tools to provide the security that ensures liberty," he said. Out of 535 members of Congress, 455 voted in favor of the Patriot Act following the terrorist attacks of September 11. Part of the Patriot Act included a law enforcement tool called “sneak and peek,” which allows officials to execute a search warrant without the prior knowledge of the individual to be searched. It was okay in the fervor after September 11, but it’s not okay now. Apparently Congress did not realize that AG Ashcroft did not discover or invent something new, but that “sneak and peek” had been around legally since the Supreme Court upheld the practice in 1979. But now it’s John Ashcroft’s fault. The purpose of “sneak and peek” being in the Patriot Act is to catch terrorists before they terrorize. In fact, the Patriot Act narrows the use of “sneak and peek” by putting into law when such an action is permissible. They now claim that “sneak and peek” violates our rights. Forget about the rights of people who fly in airliners or are otherwise caught in the wrong place at the wrong time when terrorists decide to carry out their heinous plans. During all of the hand wringing over the Patriot Act, much of the wailing has been about proposals that never made it into the law. I don’t even care if John Ashcroft himself is hiding in the bushes in my front yard so long as he doesn’t trample my plants. But the point is, he is not in the bushes (the Democrats love those Bush puns) and he will not be hiding in the bushes because I don’t behave as described in the law. I’m a “slippery slope” kind of guy, and I worry about abuse of power by the government. So long as law enforcement discerns those who break the law from those who do not, then we law-abiding folks have nothing to worry about. Have we not considered that every single day, long before the Patriot Act, law enforcement has made such distinctions? Bad guys and those suspected of being bad guys get treated one way, good guys get treated another. By Brian W. Peterson

12-30-2004, 04:37 PM		#41 (permalink)
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See where this is heading? It's looking more and more towards the Israelis than Osama Bin Laden. As we get deeper into it, it's starting to look more and more like a joint operation between the US/Israel. The destruction of the Flight Data Recorders, bogus hijackers, fake passports and everything else that was concocted by the DOJ (Dept. of Justice) and FBI. For anyone that thinks I'm reaching, look at the following link and tell me why we shouldn't ask questions. http://www.newseum.org/frontpages/911/images/oh_abj.jpg
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12-30-2004, 04:54 PM		#42 (permalink)
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Liberating America From Israel Nine-eleven would not have occurred if the U.S. government had refused to help Israel humiliate and destroy Palestinian society. Few express this conclusion publicly, but many believe it is the truth. I believe the catastrophe could have been prevented if any U.S. president during the past 35 years had had the courage and wisdom to suspend all U.S. aid until Israel withdrew from the Arab land seized in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war. The U.S. lobby for Israel is powerful and intimidating, but any determined president - even President Bush this very day - could prevail and win overwhelming public support for the suspension of aid by laying these facts before the American people: Israel's present government, like its predecessors, is determined to annex the West Bank - biblical Judea and Samaria - so Israel will become Greater Israel. Ultra-Orthodox Jews, who maintain a powerful role in Israeli politics, believe the Jewish Messiah will not come until Greater Israel is a reality. Although a minority in Israel, they are committed, aggressive, and influential. Because of deep religious conviction, they are determined to prevent Palestinians from gaining statehood on any part of the West Bank. In its violent assaults on Palestinians, Israel uses the pretext of eradicating terrorism, but its forces are actually engaged advancing the territorial expansion just cited. Under the guise of anti-terrorism, Israeli forces treat Palestinians worse than cattle. With due process nowhere to be found, hundreds are detained for long periods and most are tortured. Some are assassinated. Homes, orchards, and business places are destroyed. Entire cities are kept under intermittent curfew, some confinements lasting for weeks. Injured or ill Palestinians needing emergency medical care are routinely held at checkpoints for an hour or more. Many children are undernourished. The West Bank and Gaza have become giant concentration camps. None of this could have occurred without U.S. support. Perhaps Israeli officials believe life will become so unbearable that most Palestinians will eventually leave their ancestral homes. Once beloved worldwide, the U.S. government finds itself reviled in most countries because it provides unconditional support of Israeli violations of the United Nations Charter, international law, and the precepts of all major religious faiths. How did the American people get into this fix? Nine-eleven had its principal origin 35 years ago when Israel's U.S. lobby began its unbroken success in stifling debate about the proper U.S. role in the Arab-Israeli conflict and effectively concealed from public awareness the fact that the U.S. government gives massive uncritical support to Israel. Thanks to the suffocating influence of Israel's U.S. lobby, open discussion of the Arab-Israeli conflict has been non-existent in our government all these years. I have firsthand knowledge, because I was a member of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee in June 1967 when Israeli military forces took control of the Golan Heights, a part of Syria, as well as the Palestinian West Bank and Gaza. I continued as a member for 16 years and to this day maintain a close watch on Congress. For 35 years, not a word has been expressed in that committee or in either chamber of Congress that deserves to be called debate on Middle East policy. No restrictive or limiting amendments on aid to Israel have been offered for 20 years, and none of the few offered in previous years received more than a handful of votes. On Capitol Hill, criticism of Israel, even in private conversation, is all but forbidden, treated as downright unpatriotic, if not anti-Semitic. The continued absence of free speech was assured when those few who spoke out-Senators Adlai Stevenson and Charles Percy, and Reps. Paul "Pete" McCloskey, Cynthia McKinney, Earl Hilliard, and myself-were defeated at the polls by candidates heavily financed by pro-Israel forces. As a result, legislation dealing with the Middle East has been heavily biased in favor of Israel and against Palestinians and other Arabs year after year. Home constituencies, misled by news coverage equally lop-sided in Israel's favor, remain largely unaware that Congress behaves as if it were a subcommittee of the Israeli parliament. However, the bias is widely noted beyond America, where most news media candidly cover Israel's conquest and generally excoriate America's complicity and complacency. When President Bush welcomed Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, sometimes called the Butcher of Beirut, as "my dear friend" and "a man of peace" after Israeli forces, using U.S.-donated arms, completed their devastation of the West Bank last spring, worldwide anger against American policy reached the boiling point. The fury should surprise no one who reads foreign newspapers or listens to BBC. In several televised statements long before 9/11,Osama bin Laden, believed by U.S. authorities to have masterminded 9/11, cited U.S. complicity in Israel's destruction of Palestinian society as a principal complaint. Prominent foreigners, in and out of government, express their opposition to U.S. policies with unprecedented frequency and severity, especially since Bush announced his determination to make war against Iraq. The lobby's intimidation remains pervasive. It seems to reach every government center and even houses of worship and revered institutions of higher learning. It is highly effective in silencing the many U.S. Jews who object to the lobby's tactics and Israel's brutality. Nothing can justify 9/11. Those guilty deserve maximum punishment, but it makes sense for America to examine motivations promptly and as carefully as possible. Terrorism almost always arises from deeply-felt grievances. If they can be eradicated or eased, terrorist passions are certain to subside. Today, a year after 9/11, President Bush has made no attempt to redress grievances, or even to identify them. In fact, he has made the scene far worse by supporting Israel's religious war against Palestinians, an alliance that has intensified anti-American anger. He seems oblivious to the fact that nearly two billion people worldwide regard the plight of Palestinians as today's most important foreign-policy challenge. No one in authority will admit a calamitous reality that is skillfully shielded from the American people but clearly recognized by most of the world: America suffered 9/11 and its aftermath and may soon be at war with Iraq, mainly because U.S. policy in the Middle East is made in Israel, not in Washington. Israel is a scofflaw nation and should be treated as such. Instead of helping Sharon intensify Palestinian misery, our president should suspend all aid until Israel ends its occupation of Arab land Israel seized in 1967. The suspension would force Sharon's compliance or lead to his removal from office, as the Israeli electorate will not tolerate a prime minister who is at odds with the White House. If Bush needs an additional reason for doing the right thing, he can justify the suspension as a matter of military necessity, an essential step in winning international support for his war on terrorism. He can cite a worthy precedent. When President Abraham Lincoln issued the proclamation that freed only the slaves in states that were then in rebellion, he make the restriction because of "military necessity." If Bush suspends U.S. aid, he will liberate all Americans from long years of bondage to Israel's misdeeds.
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12-30-2004, 05:05 PM		#43 (permalink)
	Neo Sussudio......Mother..... Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Prosperity, SC USA Posts: 14,828 High Fived: 521 in 290 posts Given High Fives: 927 Rep Power: 762
Did Israel execute the 9-11 act of war against America? And should we be bombing Jerusalem and Tel Aviv instead of Baghdad and Kabul? Laura Knight-Jadczyk presents a damning case against both the State of Israel and elements within the American government sympathetic to them. And if Israel is the enemy of America, how many in the government are guilty of treason? Cloudcroft chief stops Israelis with suspicious cargo By Michael Shinabery Staff Writer CLOUDCROFT — That they were speeding through the school zone first got his attention. That they had Israeli driver's licenses and expired passports made him suspicious. Cloudcroft Police Chief Gene Green stopped the 2-ton van on Thursday, for speeding. Initially, Green thought the truck was commercial because of exterior markings. But when he found it was out of Chicago, he asked for documentation such as logs books and manifests. "They said this is a U-Haul truck and handed me a rental agreement (for) in-town delivery only in Illinois, (which) had expired two days before," Green said. He called for backup, and Otero County Sheriff's Deputy Billy Anders, who patrols the Sacramento Mountains, arrived, along with Capt. Norbert Sanchez and Det. Eddie Medrano. "We got them out and started digging a little deeper," Green said, "got permission to search the truck. They claimed they were hauling furniture from Austin to Chicago." When officers advised the men they were not exactly en route from one town to another, Green said the two men claimed they were Deming bound. "But they couldn't give us an address in Deming they were going to," he said. "Once we got into the truck, they had some junk furniture I wouldn't have given to Goodwill." Also inside the vehicle were, Green said, "50 boxes" they claimed was a "private" delivery, but the men insisted they had no "idea what was in them." At that point, the officers called for drug-sniffing and bomb-sniffing dogs. The men were turned over to the Immigration and Naturalization Service, and U-Haul recovered the truck. Contents of the boxes remain unknown, pending investigation. On May 7, 2002, local police authorities pulled over a Budget rental truck in Oak Harbour, Washington near the Whitney Island Naval Air Station. The driver and his passenger were Israeli nationals, one of which had entered the country illegally. The other had an expired visa. Tests performed on the vehicle revealed that there were traces of TNT on the gearshift and RDX plastic explosives on the steering wheel. But no actual explosives were reported to have been found in the truck. [Fox News, 5/13/02] A report in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer the following day reported that the FBI performed follow-up tests on the truck which turned-up negative. One source speculated that perhaps the original tests had actually detected just cigarette residue, and not explosives. [Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 5/14/02, Jerusalem Post, 5/14/02]. Critics argued that it would make no sense for U.S. authorities to use a method of testing that could be skewed by cigarette residue. 'The specific claim is made that residue from a cigarette lighter confused the tests for TNT and RDX. That doesn't explain why the trained bomb-sniffing dog, who surely knows the difference between explosives and cigarettes [else he would false-positive every smoker, ashtray, and convenience store he came across] gave the first indications of explosives in the truck that led to the tests in the first place. Likewise, were the chemical tests unable to discriminate between tobacco and TNT/RDX, which are chemically quite different from tobacco combustion products, they would give false positive results for every vehicle ever tested in which smokers had ever ridden. Given the likelihood of finding tobacco residues in any car, such tests would have to be designed to tell the difference. The same is true for other products from non- electric cigarette lighters, the vast majority of which are butane.' The same website also provided references to three documents with detailed information on the tests used to detect TNT and RDX. None of the documents indicated that the presence of cigarette residue might induce inaccurate test results. [International Society for Optical Engineering 1984; Cold Regions and Research Engineering Laboratory 5-1996; Security Management n.d.]
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12-30-2004, 05:10 PM		#44 (permalink)
	Neo Sussudio......Mother..... Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Prosperity, SC USA Posts: 14,828 High Fived: 521 in 290 posts Given High Fives: 927 Rep Power: 762
Continued 9/11 post.... I also remembered another peculiar item: the so-called Urban Moving Company that some researchers suggest was a cover for Mossad. Many observers have suggested that Israel had foreknowledge of the 9/11 terrorists attacks. Some have even argued that they may have been behind the attacks, and it seems that the funny stories about Israelis with trucks and bad papers just keep popping up here and there. On September 11, five employees of Jewish owned Urban Moving Company were detained as a result of witness accounts that they were taking pictures of the flaming ruins of the World Trade Center and celebrating! Yes indeedy! Shortly after the collapse of the towers a witness called the police and reported that the 5 individuals were, 'going to unusual lengths to photograph the World Trade Center ruins' and they were obviously and blatantly 'making light of the situation.' The witness stated that these men were on the roof of the office of their employer, Urban Moving Company, and were posing, dancing, and laughing. [New York Times 10/8/01; Bergen Record 9/12/01; Ha'aretz 9/17/01; Gotham Gazette 11/2/01] After their indiscreet celebration on the roof of the building, the five Israelis headed down to a nearby parking lot where they mounted the roof of their truck and resumed their photographing and celebrating. Another witness called the police and told them that the men were smiling, dancing, and giving each other high-fives while viewing the destruction of the symbol of Free Enterprise in America. [Gotham Gazette 11/2/01; ABC News, 6/21/02] A few hours later, the five Israelis were stopped by police while driving their truck. One individual had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock, while another had two foreign passports. They were also found to be in the possession of a box- cutter, which they presumably had because of their job as professional movers. [New York Times 10/8/01; Gotham Gazette 11/2/01; ABC News, 6/21/02] On September 14, Dominic Suter, the owner of the moving company, left the country very abruptly after FBI agents indicated that they wanted a second interview with him. According to ABC News 20-20 [ABC News 6/21/02], 'Three months later 20-20's cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse. The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned with his family to Israel.' [New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety, 12/13/01; Gotham Gazette 11/2/01; ABC News, 6/21/02; Forward, 3/15/02] Shortly after the arrest of the men, FBI officials suspected that the Urban Moving company was an Israeli intelligence front. Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism, told ABC News that the FBI was concerned that the moving company had been 'set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area.' [ABC News, 6/21/02] The five employees that were taken into custody were all former members of the Israeli Army. After being transferred to jail, the FBIís Criminal Division sent the case to the Counterintelligence Section on account of suspicions that they were Israeli spies. They were then detained for more that two months. Some of them spent 40 days in solitary confinement. [New York Times 11/21/01; ABC News, 6/21/02] Naturally, several individuals attempted to research this item. One high-ranking U.S. intelligence source told Forward magazine that intelligence agents' investigation of Urban Moving Company led them to believe it was a front for the Israeli Mossad. It should be noted that, at present there is no publicly available information that conclusively confirms this allegation. However the above described incident, reported by various news sources, certainly casts a very dark shadow of suspicion on the company and its employees. It seems that Urban Moving Company was not an isolated phenomenon. According to a small local newspaper in Pennsylvania, The Mercury, three Israeli employees working for Moving Systems, Inc. were detained by police on October 11, 2001, after being caught illegally dumping garbage from their moving truck into the dumpster of a restaurant. The suspects had fled the seen after being confronted by the restaurantís manager, who immediately reported the incident to the police. [The Mercury 10/17/01] The Mercury reported: 'The area was searched by township police, and the vehicle was spotted parked on the curb in front of John Kennedy Ford on Ridge Pike, just west of Industrial Way. An officer proceeded to make contact with the occupants of the truck by knocking on the cab, according to reports. A Middle Eastern [an Israeli according to Executive Intelligence Review 3/29/02] man, later identified as Ron Katar, 23, exited the sleeper area of the cab and said that the operator - Elmakias - was across the street as he pointed toward the Don Rosen Porsche dealer, reports said. Elmakias and a white female, Ayelet Reisler, 23, were approaching the vehicle from the dealership, but the female then began walking in a different direction, acting as if she were not with Elmakias, according to reports. . . . 'Elmakias said that his destination was New York and that he was also coming from New York. He said he was in Plymouth because he was supposed to make a pickup from a male in the morning and pointed toward the Storage USA facility on Belvoir Road and West Ridge Pike, police said. Elmakias could not, however, provide a name or telephone number of the customer.' [The Mercury 10/17/01] A search of the truck turned up detailed video footage of the Sears Towers along with several other suspicious articles. It was also discovered that the driver of the truck had falsified his driver log. As of this date, no ties to Israeli intelligence have been made. [The Mercury 10/17/01] Then, of course, there was the "Art Scandal." It seems that Israeli art students - Israelis posing as art students selling their art [actually made in China], - were suspected of spying for Israel. They were detained by the FBI and later deported to Israel on account of visa violations. The FBI first took notice of them in January of 2001. A highly detailed DEA report that was acquired by French intelligence analysts documented 180 cases of Israeli art students infiltrating DEA facilities. It provided names, drivers' license numbers, addresses and phone numbers of the Israelis. [DEA report 6/01; Insight 3/11/02] Despite official confirmations of the report, other U.S. officials denied its existence. In response, Intelligence Online released the document to CreativeLoafing.com who published it on the Internet for the public. [DEA report 6/01] The Associated Press also reported that it had a copy [AP 3/9/02] The report acknowledged that the art students 'may well be an organized intelligence-gathering activity.' [DEA report 6/01; AP 3/5/02; Sun Sentinel 3/7/02] Bill Carter, a spokesman for the FBI, said, 'After an agency reported suspicious activities by those so-called students, the FBI conducted an investigation and determined that there was no credence to the assumption that this was an Israeli spying operation. None of the Israelis were charged with espionage and they were all deported by the INS for visa violations.' [Forward 3/15/02] Now, here is where things get VERY INTERESTING! You see, five of the so-called Israeli Art Students that weren't really art students, had been living at 4220 Sheridan St in Hollywood, Florida. What is so interesting about that address? It just so happens that four of the five so-called 9/11 hijackers that were on AA Flight 11 [Mohammed Atta, Abdulaziz Al-Omari, Walid and WaÔl Al- Shehri] and one of the five hijackers [Marwan Al-Shehhi] from UA Flight 175 had at one time or another also resided in Hollywood, Florida. Where in Hollywood? Why, it just happens that Mohammed Atta, the presumed lead hijacker had lived at 3389 Sheridan St, only a few blocks away from the Fake Israeli Art Students! [Le Monde 3/5/02; Reuters 3/5/02; Jane's Intelligence Digest, 3/15/02; Salon, 5/7/02] Well, don't that just beat all! And to think, Florida Senator Bob Graham was having breakfast with Pakistani ISI chief Mahmoud-Ahmad on the morning of September 11 - the same ISI chief who was later linked to Mohammed Atta by virtue of the fact that he transferred a LOT of money to the guy. Hmmm... I smell a rat somewhere!
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12-30-2004, 05:12 PM		#45 (permalink)
	Neo Sussudio......Mother..... Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Prosperity, SC USA Posts: 14,828 High Fived: 521 in 290 posts Given High Fives: 927 Rep Power: 762
Continued from last post.... Of course, the Israelis have a good reason for this: they were "investigating terrorists!" We are assured by German news sources that: 'between December 2000 and April 2001 a whole horde of Israeli counter-terror investigators, posing as students, followed the trails of Arab terrorists and their cells in the United States. In their secret investigations, the Israelis came very close to the later perpetrators of Sept. 11. In the town of Hollywood, Florida, they identified the two former Hamburg students and later terror pilots Mohammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi as possible terrorists. Agents lived in the vicinity of the apartment of the two seemingly normal flight school students, observing them around the clock.' [Der Spiegel 10/1/02] I guess they didn't observe them "around the clock" enough to see when they were getting on those planes that were hijacked. A failure of intelligence? What's more, this truly pathetic "explanation" doesn't explain the joy of the Israelis at the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers, nor why Bob Graham was having breakfast with the guy who paid off Mohammed Atta... Well, it gets deeper: In addition to the close proximity of the Israeli art students to the Florida-based hijackers, other art students in Texas, California, and Arkansas were operating close to several of the other hijackers suspected of taking part in the 9-11 attacks. [DEA report 6/01] And if that doesn't just crumble your cookies, how about the fact that six of the students had mobile phones that had been purchased by a former Israeli vice consul in the U.S.? [Le Monde 3/5/02] The passports of the students revealed that they had been visitors in several different countries including, Thailand, Laos, India, Kenya, Central and South America, Australia, Germany, the Netherlands and Canada. [Insight 3/11/02] In spite of the findings of the DEA report, the students were deported back to Israel on account of visa violations. [AP 3/5/02] Now, let me try to understand this: at that point in time when every single American citizen was subject to being a suspected terrorist, a gang of Israelis with "SPY" practically branded on their foreheads, were simply shipped home with NO QUESTIONS ASKED?! EXCUSE ME?! Well, anyway, back to the problem at hand: It just so happens that Israeli suspects appear to know when they are being investigated. In several investigations of Israeli suspects, the suspects quickly modified their behavior after U.S. enforcement agencies began wiretapping them. This suggests that the suspects may have known that they were being monitored. [Fox News 12/12-13/01] In other words, either somebody very high in the U.S. government is warning them when those silly lower level bureaucrats get nosey. Either that, or there is a major mole in the U.S. intelligence services. According to Executive Intelligence Review, 'A well-placed Washington source has alerted EIR that there is growing suspicion among U.S. government law enforcement and intelligence agencies that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has dispatched special operations teams into North America. The warning came in the context of a discussion about the recent deportation of five Israelis who were detained on Sept. 11 for suspicious behavior.
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