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LOL! Nothing's going to happen to me. That would cause too many questions considering how many people have viewed this thread.
I am putting my heart and soul into this and I am backing it up with evidence the best I can. There's not that much more to type. I am still checking and cross referencing the last bit now.
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Just what I have seen so far is pretty sickening really, what we have here is criminal obstruction of justice, destruction or withholding evidence, and they get away with it under the guises of protecting national security. Also interesting to note here is a guy that worked for air traffic control took the tapes from the ATC conversations of that day and literally 'cut them into shreds and desposited them into seperate trash cans.
Here's another tidbit:
There is a company in Germany named Convar that specializes in Blue Laser Data Recovery Technology, whatever the heck that is, it apparently has something to do with being able to recover data from severely damaged magnetic mediums. All of the Hard Drives from WTC was sent to them for analysis. Weeks later, Convar was successful in restoring every single hard drive.
By Christopher Bollyn
No U.S. or foreign agency has announced arrests or developments in the investigation of these trades, the most telling evidence of foreknowledge, Ruppert wrote April 22. The former chief of enforcement at the Securities and Exchange Commission, William Mc Lucas, said regulators would “certainly be able to track down every trade, where the trade cleared, where the trade was directed from.”Experts from the Convar Company in Pirmasens, Germany, are using their “blue laser scanning” technology to retrieve data from the damaged computers of banks, telecommunication companies, and other tenants from the WTC. This technology can even retrieve the original data from hard discs that have been deleted and written over five times. Peter Henschel, director of Convar, said: “Not only the volume, but the size of the transactions was far higher than usual for a day like that.” Henschel told AFP that “up to the last moment,” between the time that the first tower was hit until the second tower collapsed, there was an “unusual” increase in trading volume of “between 5 and 10 times the normal volume.” One data recovery expert, Richard Wagner, has estimated that more than $100 million in illegal transactions appeared to have rushed through the WTC computers before and during the disaster.
It's really hard to imagine that a PC could survive this incident, but a airline's "Black-box" couldn't. Something smells around here.
The FBI/DOJ also claims that the only video showing the crash of the AA flight in DC was released and that no other tapes exist. Of course that is a lie as well. They have tapes from a gas station and hotel and now they pretend those don't exist. If they were civilians they would be charged with obstruction of justice and conspiracy to provide support to terrorists. If not perhaps conspiracy to commit acts of terror against the US.
If you still think this is not a cover-up, check this out!
The Black Boxes on 757 and 767 (actually painted in a fire-proof bright orange with locator beacons trackable via satellite), are on the tail of the airplanes and of course they are made to survive the harshest of conditions, explosions, decompresions, compressions to 3500m undersea and heat. Since the 9/11 bogus info began I have always wondered about those black boxes, surelly they must have been recovered but exactly like the tapes from the pentagon they are GONE....
Even on the FAA database of air accidents there is no info on those planes, only their registration and the name "hijacked"...no investigation whatsoever.
My question to the US Government is:
Prove to us with your seized security cam footage from the Sheraton Hotel and the gas station that a 767 hit the pentagon. I mean you DO have the footage of the plane, right? And what was in that box covered with a blue tarp you hauled off from the pentagon? The picture shows one of the insiders waving off a policeman that wanted to help. And oh, by the way, explain to us where all the ambulances were that day at the pentagon, please, while you're at it. (normally in a disaster like this, that place would have been covered up by ambulances, and there was only one.)
Open up the data contained in the black boxes for official and public scrutiny. I mean surely we should hear the voice cockpit recordings of all that took place with the hijackers, right? (or would we hear nothing at all because the planes were remote controlled) You know that planes CAN be controlled via remote don't you? It's a system that the USAF has had for years.
Give us one good reason why 3 planes managed to penetrate the most protected airspace in the world.
And please tell us why you destroyed all the evidence at the towers and had most of the steel shipped away and melted down, before any investigation was done.
Oh yeah, would love to know also how you came up with 19 hijackers within 48 hours of the biggest crime ever committed on American soil? (7 of whom are still alive?)
And why did you tell us WTC7 came down from fire damage when Larry Silverstein clearly stated that they purposely demolished it?
The bottom line is: The United States Government is lying to it's citizens and is trying to cover-up for someone. Either themselves and/or the Israelis.
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911 Redux: American Airlines Flight 11, Reexamined
David L. Graham
Although many questions remain unanswered, regarding the suspicious circumstances of 911, none seems more dubious and disturbing, than that of the hijacking of American Airlines Flight 11. In this case, there appears to be serious time-line inconsistencies and conflicting testimony between an air-traffic controller, and a (purported) flight attendant eye witness account, not to mention, an inconsistent (but nevertheless revealing) FAA memo, and probable evidence planting by intelligence agencies and FBI investigators.
On the morning of September 11th, American Airlines Flight 11, along with 10 crew members and 81 passengers, departed from Boston¹s Logan Airport, at 7:59 AM, on route to Los Angeles. Investigators surmise that the plane was hijacked within 15 minutes after departure. It then traveled another 10 minutes and abruptly turned south over Albany, NY, where it followed the Hudson River down to NYC. During this entire flight, as confirmed through interviews with an air-traffic controllers, there was no (direct) verbal communication from the pilot or co-pilot. Although some semblance of radio contact was (purportedly) initiated by the pilot, it consisted of nothing more, than surreptitious transmissions from the cockpit mike, that (supposedly) revealed the voices of the hijackers. To reiterate, ground control claims they suspected a problem with the plane about 15 minutes after departure, when they repeatedly issued clearances for an altitude climb, that went unack-nowledged by the pilot. Soon thereafter, the plane¹s transponder stopped working, and the flight abruptly deviated from its charted course, turning south (over Albany), then traveled another 150 miles towards NYC, where it crashed into the North Tower of the WTC, at around 8:45 AM.
Although seemingly straight forward, when compared to other pieces of evidence, the hijack time-line for this flight completely collapses, and establishment explanations for it, thrown seriously into question.
A crew member on that flight, Madeline Amy Sweeney, (purportedly) was able to place a cell phone call to her ground manager during the hijacking. The assembled FBI transcript of this (recorded) call, was reviewed by the LA times and published on September 20th. A close examination of this transcript, however, proves to be very perplexing for a number of reasons: In it, Ms. Sweeney claims that the hijackers had stabbed two flight attendants and slit the throat of a business-class passenger, killing him. In addition, according to a recently released FAA memo produced on 9/11/01, one passenger is even mentioned as being shot. What¹s especially revealing, is that according to Sweeney¹s highly detailed account, (all) of this apparently occurred before the cockpit was breached by the hijackers. In keeping with the reality of a violent (and fatal) airline hijacking, one would have to reasonably conclude, that the stabbed flight attendants, as well as the passengers, would¹ve been screaming VERY LOUDLY. In acknowledging this, a serious problem emerges - namely, why didn¹t (couldn¹t) the pilots alert ground control, given the fact that they must have heard the disturbances, and were still free to communicate. Since the hijackers had not yet ³gained access to the cockpit² (according to Sweeney¹s account), radio communication would¹ve still been possible. At the very least, the pilot or co-pilot should¹ve been able to send the emergency alert code, activated from no less than four places in the cockpit of a Boeing 767, including the steering yoke.
At this point, it is instructive to remember, that apparently none of the pilots, on any of the hijacked flights, were able to directly verbally communicate, with ground control. Moreover, according to authorities, the retrieved flight data recorders, from the equally suspicious crash sites of AA Flight 77 (Pentagon crash) and UA Flight 93 (Pennsylvania crash), are either damaged, or completely blank - depending on which FBI news brief you read (or believe). In addition, despite repeated pleas for disclosure from the victims¹ families of Flight 93, federal authorities have refused to publicly release the contents of the (intact) retrieved voice data recorder. This evidence would reveal the activity in the cockpit during the moments of the hijacking, and prior to the crash - assuming, of course, it¹s not blank as well..........or worse, incriminating for foul play. For foul play and a cover-up are indeed likely possibilities in this incident, considering the 911 cell phone call made by one of the passengers¹ describing an ³explosion and smoke,² not to mention, the eye witness accounts detailing ³burning debris,² raining down over an 8 mile area, and a second, unidentified (white plane), ³circling the crash,² immediately after impact. Unremarkably, FBI investigators have dismissed these eye witness accounts, and network news dutifully avoided any mention of them.
Returning back again to AA Flight 11, another problem concerns the time-line of the cell phone call made by the flight attendant. In it, she claims that (shortly after) the hijackers gained access to the cockpit, the plane quickly changed direction and started rapidly descending towards the WTC - eliciting from her, the chilling statements: ³I see water and buildings. Oh my God! Oh my God!² These were the last words of communication (supposedly) uttered by Ms. Sweeney, and, as the transcript of this call clearly demonstrates, these events occurred in quick succession. Therefore, it is beyond dispute, that (according to her account), describing the entry into the cockpit by the hijackers, this occurred when Flight 11 was somewhere off the edge of Manhattan, over the Hudson River, within sight of the NY skyline.
This again, presents an even more serious problem: that is, if the hijackers had not breached the cockpit earlier, over Albany, (WHY) did the plane deviate from its charted course, 150 miles north of NYC? Furthermore, how could investigators possibly conclude, that the flight was commandeered (by hijackers), 15 minutes after takeoff from Boston¹s Logan Airport, (when compared) to the cell phone call made by Madeline Sweeney? Moreover, why was (the meticulously detailed) Ms. Sweeney, (a Massachucettes-based flight attendant for 12 years), unable to identify Manhattan or the Hudson River, above and beyond ³buildings and water?²
By (accepting both) pieces of evidence, we would somehow have to ridiculously conclude, that unbeknownst to the pilots, the hijackers conducted a stabbing (and quite possibly, a shooting) rampage, terrorizing passengers and crew members for a full 25 minutes, while ³telepathically² forcing the pilots to perform a turn over Albany, and fly 150 miles south to Manhattan. Add to this, the ³surreptitious transmissions² from the cockpit radio mike, initiated by the pilot for most of the flight, and you would have to further assume, that the pilots themselves, were impersonating the ³heavily-accented² voices of the hijackers, up until the point when the (actual) hijackers Œstormed the cockpit, which occurred shortly before impact (according to Sweeney) - an unsatisfactory conclusion, to be sure.
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Even more unsettling, was the network news broadcast, aired a few days after 9/11, that featured the last moments of the (recorded) Sweeney phone call. Anyone listening to this call, should have immediately been struck by one thing..............namely, the only voice you hear screaming is Madeline Sweeney¹s. Can it truly be plausible, that in the moments before crashing into the North Tower of the WTC, one flight attendant would, among 9 other crew members and 81 passengers, be the only one heard shrieking in terror?
Taken together, all of the inconsistencies discussed above, and more of which that follows, may very well indicate that the AA Flight 11, as well as the other hijacked flights on 9/11, were commandeered by other means. This very possibility, has been proffered by a number of aviation professionals and pilots, who have voiced serious doubts that the suspects in question, could¹ve possessed the requisite level of navigational expertise, to expertly guide the planes to their targets (having trained ³unsuccessfully² on propeller-driven Cessna¹s, and logged-in insufficient hours on flight simulators). This opinion is even further bolstered, by a review of some the descriptions and assessments offered by some of the flight instructors, describing the relative talents and capabilities of the terrorist students they instructed. In the words of one flight instructor, two of the suspects were described as ³dumb and dumber,² and another two were dropped from instruction due to ³incompetence at the controls.² One instructor, in fact, expressed even more serious doubts, when he stated: ³It was like they had hardly even ever driven a car.......²
Some have even gone as far to suggest, that the flights in question, may very well have been electronically hijacked by existing US military technology, that is capable of commandeering an aircraft through computer-driven, remote recovery, rend-ering cockpit controls and communication, useless. More specifically, it would make hostages of pilots, passengers, and ³hijackers,² alike, and guarantee that certain targets would be reached, above and beyond the unpredictable dispositions and limited skill levels of ³fanatical, 20-something terrorists.² Still others have suggested, that there were various other, assembled, undercover individuals on those flights, possessing diametrically opposed, yet equally fanatical persuasions (and far superior flight training), that were involved in ³using² the Middle Eastern occupants as a ruse, to covertly assume control of the flights beyond detection - and hence blame. Their efforts were further assisted, it is claimed, by the cooperation (if not collaboration), with US intelligence agencies, the US military, and certain elements within the political establishment. If recent events, and the consideration of certain relevant news releases (i.e. the Israeli spy scandal), any indication, this interpretation may yet prove to hold much credence.
Equally disturbing and additionally doubtful, was the ³terrorist luggage² the FBI managed to conveniently discover back at Logan Airport, stuffed with a veritable laundry list of (suspiciously) incriminating evidence. What they seemingly couldn¹t do, however, was correctly identify the number of hijackers on that flight, as well as their corresponding seat numbers. When placing the cell phone call to her ground manager, Sweeney claimed there were (only four) hijackers on flight 11, and confirmed that their seat numbers were in rows 9 and 10. Recalling the now ³dismissed as mistaken,² FAA memo, it too identified a passenger in seat 10B who, it was claimed, shot another passenger in seat 9B. The FBI, however, ³identified² a total of (five) hijackers, and claimed they were all assigned to seats in row 8. The FBI version is cast even further into doubt, when considering the LA Times Sweeney article, when it states: ³She displayed remarkable calm as she related numerous details about the events unfolding.² And, as one AA official familiar with the Sweeney phone call stated: ³She was very, very composed, very detailed. It was impressive that she could do that.² Add to this, the troubling fact, that none of the names of the hijackers originally appeared on any of the publicly released passenger manifests, and consider that to this day, there have been no forthcoming explanations for any of these disturbing discrepancies.
Sadly, even the NYC Police Dept. jumped on the ³evidence bandwagon,² by claiming to have found a passport from one of the hijacker¹s, 8 blocks away from WTC. In the now familiar manner, the NYC Police Dept. would have us believe, that the passport somehow managed to miraculously survive the raging infernos of the WTC towers, and float to the ground, unscathed. This minor miracle, was again repeated in Pennsylvania, whereupon a terrorist suicide note was discovered by FBI investigators, near the smoldering crater of the crash site.........despite Flight 93 (in the words of the FBI) being ³vaporized² on impact.
Even more incredible, is the fact that of the five passengers the FBI originally identified as the hijackers of AA Flight 11, three are alive, and living in the Middle East. To date, a total of seven Middle Eastern individuals, originally implicated in the hijackings of 9/11, have proven to be alive. Since the FBI has publicly stated that the hijackers could¹ve used (did use) false I.D.¹s, how could they possibly have known who the real hijackers were? Upon notification of the errors, the FBI allegedly apologized for the mistakes, yet they immediately substituted seven new (Middle Eastern-named) suspects, with a new list on 9/28/01. This, of course, leads to another troubling question: If seven of the original names, thus far, have proven to be incorrect ( based on false I.D.¹s), what evidence could they possibly have had, to immediately implicate seven new suspects? Even more importantly, how can we now possibly assume, that the other twelve original ³identifications² were correct, and that Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda was ultimately responsible?
These troubling facts have been conspicuously absent in the major US media. Moreover, to this day, well over five months after the ³corrections² to the original FBI list were made, network news continues to (fraudulently) air the original hijacker list, including photographs of the seven misidentified Middle Eastern suspects.
Adding even further, to the already thick stew of intrigue, is recently released evidence linking the Venice, Florida-based Huffman Aviation flight school (responsible for training the hijackers on AA Flight 11) to the CIA, as well as certain ³Christian charities.² In fact, the very same Middle Eastern hijackers, that allegedly took control of AA Flight 11, attended classes at flight schools in both Venice and Sarasota, Florida, and were trained by the very same instructors who have routinely flown world-wide missions for various Christian fundamentalist missionary services, from those very same airports and the flight schools therein. These missions have included Pat Robertson¹s ³Operation Blessing² and Jerry Falwell¹s ³World Help². Considering the eager anticipation, for certain ³biblical events² to transpire, from Evangelical figures such as these, this connection, indeed, proves to be a troubling one.
Casting even further doubt on establishment explanations, is the fact, that of the 19 Middle Eastern hijack suspects implicated in the attacks of 9/11, (9) were required to undergo special security screenings, prior to boarding the ill-fated flights, based upon questionable I.D. documents. These additional security measures purportedly included extensive baggage searches by the (since discredited) private security firms, manning the airport checkpoints. This of course, raises a number of serious and uncomfortable questions regarding the relative thoroughness of security measures, as well as, the likely possibility that weapons were planted on the flights, prior to the suspects¹ boarding. Who might of planted them, and how they were planted, has apparently elicited very little interest from investigators, given the fact that no additional arrests have been made, involving airport personnel, since the security breeches of 9/11. In typical fashion, authorities have refused to disclose which suspects were the subject of additional security screenings, as well as identify, the flights they were associated with.
Without question, the most incredible revelation to recently emerge, pertains to the identity and background of the murdered (stabbed/shot?) victim of AA Flight 11. Sitting, literally right next to some of the ³hijack suspects,² was Daniel C. Lewin, an American citizen with dual Israeli citizenship, who was a former elite Israeli commando officer in a secret unit of the Israeli Defense Force called ³Sayeret Mat¹Kal.² Adding still further to the ³coincidence and irony,² is the fact that while a member of the IDF, Mr. Lewin apparently had received extensive ³anti-terrorism² training. Sayeret Mat¹Kal was formed in 1957, and explicitly created to infiltrate enemy territories for the purpose of conducting top secret intelligence gathering missions. Members of this unit are trained on the finer points of ³looking and thinking like an Arab,² and have been credited with conducting numerous death-squad killings, disguised as civilians. Mr. Lewin was also the co-founder of the internet company Akamai Technologies, Inc.. As indicated in the online, Hoover¹s Business capsule of Akamai, the name of the company is derived from a Hawaiian term meaning ³clever and intelligent....²
Recollections of the ³questions² surrounding the attack on Pearl Harbor, and its disturbing similarity to 9/11, seems to embody a special significance, when considering this timely detail.
AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77.
8:20 am : Flight 77 departs from Dulles Airport. Some 20 miles from the Pentagon.
8:50 : Last radio communication with flight 77. Now some 280 miles from the Pentagon.
8:56 : Transponder contact lost. Now some 335 miles from the Pentagon.
9:00 : Flight 77 turns and heads for the Pentagon (Washington DC). Now some 370 miles away from the Pentagon.
The hijackers finally make their move (and about time, all the time they are getting further and further away from where they started, and of course, further and further away from where they are headed).
To give the Air National Guard/USAF a fighting chance the intrepid hijackers wait till they are about 400 miles away from their target before turning back.
But even though the hijackers are more than sporting about the whole affair (after all they have given the USAF over 40 minutes to get aircraft up to investigate, and if necessary, shoot them down) the totally incompetent (read corrupt) USAF isn't quite up to the job.
9:37 : AA77 crashes into the southwest side of the Pentagon. Now, precisely 0 miles from the Pentagon.
The question that you must ask yourself, is :
Why didn't the hijackers, hijack flight 77 when it was only, say, 30 miles from the Pentagon?
Well, lets have look at the evidence from another angle.
Flight 77 leaves Dulles International Airport at 8:20 am.
Flight 77's transponder is turned off at 8:56 am.
The fact that flight 77's transponder was turned off means only that the aircraft stopped transmitting its name and altitude, etc, but it was still very visible to radar.
Flight 77 disappears from all radar screens a couple of minutes later, somewhere near the Ohio border.
An aircraft appears on radar south of Washington DC, close to the city.
This aircraft eventually crashes into the Pentagon.
So the aircraft that crashed into the Pentagon could not possibly have been flight 77. This is simply because, if it had flown from the Ohio border back to Washington DC it would have been visible to radar for the entire trip. And, we are told that it was not. So given this, why do most people believe that flight 77 hit the Pentagon? Because the media told them so (and this is the one and only reason that most believe flight 77 hit the Pentagon). But the evidence (without even examining the Pentagon scene itself) already says that this is impossible.
The next question that you must ask yourself, is :
How did flight 77 sneak all the way from the Ohio border to Washington DC without being spotted by any of the multitude of radar stations in the area? The Russians are keen to know.
DID A BOEING 757 HIT THE PENTAGON.
The official line regarding flight 77 (a Boeing 757) is that terrorists hijacked it, flew it about the countryside for 40 minutes (during which time, not one of the fighter jets from any of the numerous nearby US Air Force and Air National Guard bases were sent up to investigate) and then crashed it into the Pentagon.
Recently, there has been some speculation that flight 77 never existed and that the damage to the Pentagon had some other cause. The main statements supporting this idea are:
1. The hole created by the crash, is too small.
2. The overall damage to the Pentagon was not as extensive as one would expect.
3. That there is no evidence of Boeing 757 debris having been recovered from the site.
We wish to investigate the plausibility of these arguments. In doing this, we mention that the paucity of information from the Bush administration, has certainly not helped (for example, the Bush administration has refused to release the black boxes, the voice recorders, or even pictures of any wreckage). However, the military did release a number of high resolution photos on the websites:
So, first, we investigate exactly how big the hole in the Pentagon was. The main problem in estimating its size, is the fact that the section of the building that was struck collapsed about 30 minutes after the impact.
Where's the hole that the plane made when it crashed? Notice the windows are intact.
So the 125 feet wingspan of the Boeing 757 would (give or take a bit for the wings snapping off) have made a hole, about 177 feet wide, in the Pentagon wall. This clearly did not happen.
So, I think it is safe to say that although the hole in the Pentagon wall appears to have been made by an aircraft, it is in fact, too small, to have been made by a Boeing 757.
So what about the second statement. Is the overall damage to the Pentagon as extensive as one would expect from such a crash?
Well, the entry wound seems to have been made by an aircraft. How about the exit wound. One would expect both the fuselage and jet engines to penetrate quite a number of the inner walls.
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Strangely, certain sections of the media have been trying to convince the world, that the major impact damage was restricted to the outer ring (the E-ring). To justify this wild claim they state that:
The physical evidence presented by the Pentagon supports their case.
The Pentagon walls and windows were specially hardened to resist such a catastrophic crash.
That the aircraft hit the ground some distance in front of the Pentagon wall and slid into the building.
These, and the fact that the aircraft hit obliquely (at a 45 degree angle to the wall) are meant to convince us, that the major impact damage was restricted to the outer ring. I claim that all three of these statements are wrong. Their claim is a joke, nobody believes that a Boeing 757-200 weighing nearly 100 tons and traveling at an estimated 300 miles an hour, only damaged the outer ring of the Pentagon.
Now, how do we reconcile the media view, with the following photo of a large exit wound made by the aircraft exiting C-ring (remember C-ring is the third ring in (from the outside)
[fpic]http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian/Pentagon/exit-wound.jpg[/fpic]
This photo is of the inside wall of the C-ring. This is the hole caused by the aircraft exiting C-ring. Of course, for the aircraft to be exiting C-ring, it must have already exited both the D-ring and E-ring. Its caption originally read:
"A Military District Washington engineer firefighter stands in front of the exit hole where American Airlines Flight 77 finally stopped after penetrating the Pentagon."
It is clear that, the Bush administration, could remove all speculation by releasing the wreckage of flight 77 to independent investigators. The fact that it has not done so, is very puzzling and also, very suspicious.
Overall though, I feel that there is considerable evidence that :
An aircraft caused the damage at the Pentagon.
That the aircraft was not a Boeing 757.
The evidence that an aircraft hit the Pentagon, includes among other things :
The considerable number of eye-witness reports.
The entry wound (which has the correct --O-- shape).
The exit wound (which has the correct O shape).
The damage done as the plane clipped lights while crossing the freeway.
The damage caused by the right wing tip as it hit the concrete floor slab between the first (ground) and second floors.
The evidence that this aircraft was not a Boeing 757, includes among other things :
The width of the impact wound is nowhere near wide enough.
The Bush administration has refused to release the black boxes, the voice recorders or even pictures of any wreckage of flight 77.
The Bush administration has refused access, by independent investigators, to any wreckage it, or the FAA, may have.
The media is blitzing the public with disinformation, which suggests that an extensive cover-up is underway.
Of course, the big question is :
If flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, then where is it, and its passengers?
(8:44 am) - Donald Rumsfeld is in his office at the Pentagon talking about missile defense and the risk of terrorism and predicts there will be a terrorist attack two minutes before the first plane crashes into the WTC. For the second time of the day, Donald Rumsfeld predicts another terrorist attack right before it happens and correctly predicts it will happen to the Pentagon.
As for the mysterous plane flying around Flight 93 that crashed in Penn.
"The unmarked military-style jet swooped down at high speed through the valley, twice circled the smoldering black scar where Flight 93 had careered into the ground just seconds earlier and then hurtled off over the horizon. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews...l&siteid=50143
On the morning of September 11 last year. But the US authorities deny it ever existed. What was the white jet doing there and why won't they admit to its presence? Why did other witnesses see smoke and flames trailing from Flight 93 as it fell from the sky, indicating a possible explosion aboard?
Or - and this is proving to be the most uncomfortable question of all - in the moments before the airliner piled into the black, spongy earth at 575mph did an American fighter pilot have to do the unthinkable and shoot down a US civil airliner?
Susan Mcelwain, 51, who lives two miles from the site, knows what she saw - the white plane rocketed directly over her head. "It came right over me, I reckon just 40 or 50ft above my mini-van," she recalled. "It was so low I ducked instinctively. It was traveling real fast, but hardly made any sound.
"Then it disappeared behind some trees. A few seconds later I heard this great explosion and saw this fireball rise up over the trees, so I figured the jet had crashed. The ground really shook. So I dialled 911 and told them what happened.
"I'd heard nothing about the other attacks and it was only when I got home and saw the TV that I realized it wasn't the white jet, but Flight 93.
I didn't think much more about it until the authorities started to say there had been no other plane. The plane I saw was heading right to the point where Flight 93 crashed and must have been there at the very moment it came down.
"There's no way I imagined this plane - it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look.
"It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side. I haven't found one like it on the internet. It definitely wasn't one of those executive jets. The FBI came and talked to me and said there was no plane around.
"Then they changed their story and tried to say it was a plane taking pictures of the crash 3,000ft up.
"But I saw it and it was there before the crash and it was 40ft above my head. They did not want my story - nobody here did."
Mrs Mcelwain, who looks after special needs children, is further convinced the whole truth has yet to come out because of a phone call she had within hours from the wife of an air force friend of the family.
"She said her husband had called her that morning and said 'I can't talk, but we've just shot a plane down,' " Susan said. "I presumed they meant Flight 93. I have no doubt those brave people on board tried to do something, but I don't believe what happened on the plane brought it down.
Lee Purbaugh, 32, was the only person to see the last seconds of Flight 93 as it came down on former strip-mining land at precisely 10.06am - and he also saw the white jet.
"Yes, there was another plane," Lee said. "I didn't get a good look but it was white and it circled the area about twice and then it flew off over the horizon."
Tom Spinelli, 28, was working at India Lake Marina, a mile and a half away. "I saw the white plane," he said. "It was flying around all over the place like it was looking for something. I saw it before and after the crash."
The FBI's later explanation for the white jet was that a passing civilian Fairchild Falcon 20 jet was asked to descend from 34,000ft to 5,000ft some minutes after the crash to give co-ordinates for the site. The plane and pilot have never been produced or identified. Susan Mcelwain says a Falcon 20 was not the plane she saw." -Daily Mirror (9/13/02)
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that is an A-10, primarily used on ground targets, I believe one of it's nicknames is the "tank-killer." I couldn't imagine an A-10 shooting down the plane. Is there any way to find out if there are any A-10's in the area of Pennsylvania...?
that is an A-10, primarily used on ground targets, I believe one of it's nicknames is the "tank-killer." I couldn't imagine an A-10 shooting down the plane. Is there any way to find out if there are any A-10's in the area of Pennsylvania...?
It's nickname is the Wart-Hog. Yes it is primarly used for ground targets. If you read the eye-witnesses statements and descriptions, this plane matches their descriptions exactly!
For real, I'm done for the night now. I'm just going to give my brain a rest for a little bit and just post normal stuff on here. My brain is totally fried.
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See here's one of the quotes. Read it then look at the picture.
"It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look. It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side. It definitely wasn't one of those executive jets," said Susan Mcelwain.
Notice that the markings on the A-10 are very small. Almost invisible to the eye from a distance.
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