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Old 05-20-2009, 10:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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So what took him so long to apologize? Did he have to wait to see the actual ramifications of his actions before he became remorseful of his words?
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So what took him so long to apologize? Did he have to wait to see the actual ramifications of his actions before he became remorseful of his words?
Do you mean what took him so long to re-apologize?
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Old 05-20-2009, 10:50 AM   #4 (permalink)
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So what took him so long to apologize? Did he have to wait to see the actual ramifications of his actions before he became remorseful of his words?
He apologized on air weeks ago on ESPN.
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He apologized on air weeks ago on ESPN.
My mistake- I was going based on the article;

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Two weeks after UT running backs coach Eddie Gran was asked to leave the Pahokee campus, town officials and principal Ariel Alejo got the apology they were seeking, the town’s vice mayor said Tuesday evening.
Pahokee vice mayor Henry Crawford Jr., mayor Wayne Whitaker, city manager Matthew Brock, Alejo and Gran met at city hall and Tennessee coach Lane Kiffin delivered an apology by telephone late Tuesday afternoon.
Makes it seem like they were waiting for an apology before allowing UT back
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My mistake- I was going based on the article;



Makes it seem like they were waiting for an apology before allowing UT back
The principal wanted him to kiss his ass, AKA a formal thing. Even though Pahokee is a small town, I'm sure the local govt had more on their plate than reconciling a university and a high school, so setting up the whole thing might not have been as linear as you'd expect.
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My mistake- I was going based on the article;



Makes it seem like they were waiting for an apology before allowing UT back
Umm, no, you didn't make any mistake... they were waiting on him to apologize; because this isn't an apology:

“If I offended anybody in Pahokee or (anyone who) has to do with Pahokee or in the schools, I apologize; and I want to make sure it’s understood that is not what was meant by it (the comments) at all,” Kiffin told the newspaper. “It was just an energetic breakfast with some of our donors. Didn’t even know that there was a camera present when the things were said.".

“It just wasn’t something that was meant to go in front of the media and make a big statement. ... It’s why immediately that day I apologized and made sure that everybody understood it wasn’t my intention to offend anyone at the University of Florida or coach Meyer.” - Kiffin

Basically, what that says is, "If some people are overly sensitive, I'm sorry something is wrong with them.". It also infers that he meant what he said; but was just sorry that he got caught by the media.

That's the equivalent of somebody "apologizing" in court, and saying they're sorry about what happened to their victims, instead of being accountable and saying they're sorry for WHAT THEY DID. What they really mean is, they're sorry they got caught by the police.

Oh yeah, and if you don't think you did anything wrong in the first place, what are you "apologizing" for?
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Old 05-20-2009, 12:37 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
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Umm, no, you didn't make any mistake... they were waiting on him to apologize; because this isn't an apology:

“If I offended anybody in Pahokee or (anyone who) has to do with Pahokee or in the schools, I apologize; and I want to make sure it’s understood that is not what was meant by it (the comments) at all,” Kiffin told the newspaper. “It was just an energetic breakfast with some of our donors. Didn’t even know that there was a camera present when the things were said.".

“It just wasn’t something that was meant to go in front of the media and make a big statement. ... It’s why immediately that day I apologized and made sure that everybody understood it wasn’t my intention to offend anyone at the University of Florida or coach Meyer.” - Kiffin

Basically, what that says is, "If some people are overly sensitive, I'm sorry something is wrong with them.". It also infers that he meant what he said; but was just sorry that he got caught by the media.

That's the equivalent of somebody "apologizing" in court, and saying they're sorry about what happened to their victims, instead of being accountable and saying they're sorry for WHAT THEY DID. What they really mean is, they're sorry they got caught by the police.

Oh yeah, and if you don't think you did anything wrong in the first place, what are you "apologizing" for?
Huh? In the first paragraph he says that wasn't what he meant at all. I think read together, the apology is fine and not at all like what you claim.
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Huh? In the first paragraph he says that wasn't what he meant at all. I think read together, the apology is fine and not at all like what you claim.
It's just like all the other "apologies" we've bashed in various threads on a plethora of different topics throughout the years. Saying, "I'm sorry you were offended." isn't the same as saying, "I'm sorry I offended you.". That's putting the blame back on the offended person, for being so touchy that your offensive remarks were taken that way. The one I listed is his first "apology"... the one they didn't accept.

C'mon now, how else were they supposed to take his remarks; and how could they possibly not be construed as offensive?

"Someone at the school was going to screw it up," Kiffin said Feb. 5. "The fax machine wouldn't work, or they would have changed the signatures - all the things that go on in Pahokee."

"For those of you who haven't been to Pahokee, there ain't much going on," Kiffin was quoted as saying. "You take that hour drive up from South Florida, there ain't a gas station that works. Nobody's got enough money to even have shoes or a shirt on."

Sorry, telling folks you're sorry they were offended by remarks that are, in fact, offensive, doesn't get it. Saying you're sorry for saying offensive things about people and places you aren't familiar enough with to make the comments is what was called for... and it's what they eventually got.
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Umm, no, you didn't make any mistake... they were waiting on him to apologize; because this isn't an apology:

“If I offended anybody in Pahokee or (anyone who) has to do with Pahokee or in the schools, I apologize; and I want to make sure it’s understood that is not what was meant by it (the comments) at all,” Kiffin told the newspaper. “It was just an energetic breakfast with some of our donors. Didn’t even know that there was a camera present when the things were said.".

“It just wasn’t something that was meant to go in front of the media and make a big statement. ... It’s why immediately that day I apologized and made sure that everybody understood it wasn’t my intention to offend anyone at the University of Florida or coach Meyer.” - Kiffin

Basically, what that says is, "If some people are overly sensitive, I'm sorry something is wrong with them.". It also infers that he meant what he said; but was just sorry that he got caught by the media.

That's the equivalent of somebody "apologizing" in court, and saying they're sorry about what happened to their victims, instead of being accountable and saying they're sorry for WHAT THEY DID. What they really mean is, they're sorry they got caught by the police.

Oh yeah, and if you don't think you did anything wrong in the first place, what are you "apologizing" for?
ah, of course- now it all makes sense...I do recall that "apology", i just had a difficult time understanding how he meant it if he didnt mean it in an offensive way...i wish he, or anyone, could elaborate on what other way he could have meant it.
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It's just like all the other "apologies" we've bashed in various threads on a plethora of different topics throughout the years. Saying, "I'm sorry you were offended." isn't the same as saying, "I'm sorry I offended you.". That's putting the blame back on the offended person, for being so touchy that your offensive remarks were taken that way. The one I listed is his first "apology"... the one they didn't accept.

C'mon now, how else were they supposed to take his remarks; and how could they possibly not be construed as offensive?

"Someone at the school was going to screw it up," Kiffin said Feb. 5. "The fax machine wouldn't work, or they would have changed the signatures - all the things that go on in Pahokee."

"For those of you who haven't been to Pahokee, there ain't much going on," Kiffin was quoted as saying. "You take that hour drive up from South Florida, there ain't a gas station that works. Nobody's got enough money to even have shoes or a shirt on."

Sorry, telling folks you're sorry they were offended by remarks that are, in fact, offensive, doesn't get it. Saying you're sorry for saying offensive things about people and places you aren't familiar enough with to make the comments is what was called for... and it's what they eventually got.
He never said that he was sorry that THEY misunderstood HIM or took things too seriously. He did say those quoted words are not what he meant. I take that to mean that he chose his words poorly and misrepresented the people of Pahokee. He apologized for that. I have no idea how you see some implied hyper-sensitivity on the part of Pahokee folks in his comments. He didn't say that he was sorry that they were offended which puts some of the fault on them. He said, "if I offended anyone in Pahokee. . ." Now, you might make the claim that the "if" waters it down some, as opposed to plainly stating that he's sorry to have offended those in the town. Still, that is not quite the distinction that you were making.
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