It really amazes me that most of the UGA fans are so quick to defend him just because he is a Dawg....now if this was Alabama or someone else then oh you guys would swear up and down that something illegal was going on.

He's not under anybody's skin. That's just the lame last hope of Vols fans everywhere... he's got so many of y'all conned, it's hilarious. Listen, the rest of us understand about you guys having to stick by your new coach, and having to give him a shot. But, believe me, nobody is afraid of that moron; and if UT fans want to keep referring to the guy as a chigger, that's their prerogative. But keep in mind that in the SEC, chiggers get rooted out and eradicated by repeated beatdowns... and you have to look no further than that other moron, Ogre, to have all the evidence you need that it's true. It's okay, we understand, we had Zook for 3 years. Thankfully Zook went about losing quietly, and didn't make much of an a$$ of himself... and he certainly didn't make the mistake (and it is a HUGE mistake) of burning all his bridges BEFORE he actually got to them. Burning them after you've crossed is bad enough; but putting a bulls-eye on all your players' backs before you even coached a single game is the very epitome of stupid. A smart new coach would have snuck up on everyone, and not let them know what was in store for them. Instead, what UT has is every powerhouse team in the conference focused on beating them; and they have Kiffin's mouth to thank for it.


I just thought it was ironic that you thought some coach who wouldn't know character if it fell on that melon he calls a head, and who has already been teaching incoming recruits not to have any either, would have a problem with Brown's character (IF Brown even has any character issues).

We'll see, I guess, and what are you talking about convincing a recruit to lie?? Kiffin's got his way of doing things, and it got him a good class in a very short amount of time. For the first time in years, we have no arrests, and no academic casualties, now just how many can say that?? And you gotta be kidding yourself if you think that being friendly by "burning no bridges" with other coaches will get you any less of a beatdown if you have the inferior team on the field. Just how many times can a team sneak up on teams, I mean seriously, would Herban let THE VOLS "sneak up"?...He's under your scaly skins, admit it.

Little late to be doing that after they've already stirred up all kinds of trouble; and gotten this thing spread all over other media. I'll lmao if they find themselves with a multi-million dollar slander and defamation of character lawsuit after all this... an enterprising young attorney would be all over it.

Are you kidding? You haven't read the myriad stories about how Kiffin got Nu'Keese Richardson to lie to Meyer about his commitment to UF; right up until NSD, so that Meyer couldn't offer another WR that wanted to come to UF? NR had been committed to UF for 10 or 11 months, so Meyer quit taking commitments from WR's. While NR was on a visit to UT, Meyer tried to call him a couple times, and Kiffin was sitting right there telling NR to act like he was still coming to UF in texts and on the phone, so that Meyer would think he had his WR class filled out. Kiffin also had NR keep telling the media and recruiting sites that he was 100% Gator right up until NSD. It was a planned deception designed by your "adult coach" (I use both terms loosely) for a minor (17 year old) prospect to be dishonest to another coach he'd given his word to nearly a year ago. Hey, prospects change their minds and decommit all the time, to go somewhere else... no big deal. But, this is the first time I've ever heard of a coach devising a plan to get a recruit to lie to and con another SEC coach into thinking he still had him right up until signing day... AND Kiffin had the gall to brag about doing it. Here's somebody who's not only admitting that he's a liar and dirty, and that he doesn't mind influencing minors to grow up that way; but he's actually boasting to UT fans and boosters at a fan function that he's teaching his kids not to have honor and integrity.

In the end, it doesn't hurt Meyer or UF as much as it hurt some kid who wanted a scholarship to UF, but ended up going with his second choice because Meyer mistakenly thought his WR class was full. We loaded up at WR this year, but some kid likely got shortchanged last year because of your "coach". And, really, that's only the tip of the iceberg, as we all have been finding out every week since then.

Never seen this one that was making the rounds?




Kiffin's got his way of doing things all right... shady, underhanded, and dirty. Also, you say for the first time in awhile you have no academic casualties or arrests; and you give Kiffin credit for that? He's only been there, what, 6 months? He's not responsible for any that, Fulmer is. Virtually every player on the squad is Fulmer's. A few may have come to UT last year, but they were being recruited by Fulmer for at least a year prior to their commitment.

Sorry, Kiffin hasn't accomplished anything positive yet. He hasn't won any games; he hasn't improved the stature of the program; and he hasn't been responsible for any classroom success the Vols may have seen in the last few months. What he's done is bring attention to UT, which is what he said he wanted to do. Unfortunately, he doesn't see the glaring difference between positive attention and negative attention; and all he's brought is violations, scandal, censure, harsh criticism, and likely some reckoning come September.

Now I see part of the problem. Some UT fans are actually trying to give Kiffin credit for the behavior of Fulmer's recruits; and probably just don't know any better. I guess lots of fans who don't follow cfb very closely don't realize that coaches and programs usually develop relationships with prospects as early as their freshman year in high school, and rarely later than their junior year in high school. Kiffin didn't get you guys most of that class... most of that class had already been recruited by Fulmer and UT for a year or more. Half your class was committed before Kiffin even took over, and many of the rest were already considering UT. Besides, UT could have good classes if Elmer Fudd was doing the recruiting... it's a major program.

As fans, you kind of have to support the man, because that's who you're stuck with right now; but let's at least be honest about what the man has done, and what he's actually brought the school... which is mostly embarrassment. And, if the fans aren't embarrassed yet, the rest of us are embarrassed for you.

No, I haven't "heard" like you have. Just who have you "heard" this from? I did hear Herban kept calling while Nukeese was he was up here, but I hadn't "heard" that Kiffin kept telling him to tell Herban he was still coming to Fla. Man, you're really in close to the situation. I guess I didn't realize who I was talking with.
And as far as the recruiting goes, our classes have steadily gone down hill the last few years, I figured you had "heard"... and Brown, Nukeese, Myles, JR, Janzen Jackson, and Marsalis Teague(ever "heard" of him) didn't even consider until Kiffin was hired.
Ever heard of the "Fulmer cup"...guess you have since it's now being called "Herban's cup"..

You're right, I do usually have my ear to the ground with recruiting; but you didn't have to be an insider to know all that... just had to be able to "read" all the articles and accounts, and understand English when Kiffin bragged about it on video.

As for the recruiting, so Kiffin is responsible for 6 of UT's 22 recruits in last year's class... that sounds more like it. So, if you have 80-90 players, and 6 of them are Kiffin's, the rest are Fulmer's, right? Am I making sense so far? Like I said, whatever UT has going on right now involves Fulmer's players, not Kiffin's. He's not responsible for anything yet. After a few years of recruiting, you can give him the kudos for the kind of quality kids he has. It's just like Meyer; he got stuck with what Zook left him, and some were outstanding, and a few weren't. But, Meyer didn't show his a$$ when he got here, either; and he went 9-3 and won the conference and NC in his second year. We'll see if Kiffin can even come close to doing the same thing; and even if he does somehow manage it, remember this... he's still a POS.

Herban, huh? Now that's funny... and original. BTW, when's your 13th birthday?

Wow. Is it really as bad as all that? GU, for the love of all that is holy, please try to show some small bit of objectivity in regard to Kiffin. I know that the man has pissed you off, but you are WAY off your game. Hell, you sound more like you twin than yourself. Are you serious about Kiffin getting zero credit for the improved GPA and the zero arrests? That's outrageous! He should get most, if not all of it.
When a new boss comes into any place of employment he must immediately set the standards for that business, team, whatever. Kiffin has done that. GU, guess who Eric Berry found sitting in his classroom early one morning during the very height of recruiting season. Lane Kiffin. Do you think Fulmer ever went to a player's class? I'll answer that one for you, almost certainly NOT. Now, what kind of message do you think Kiffin's surprise attendance sent to the team? I'll answer that one for you too. It sent a strong one. If the head man is willing to come off the road in the middle of scrambling to get a solid recruiting class so as to check up on his best player, then he will go to great lengths in that area and no one is exempt regardless of ability. He didn't send a aide, he went himself.
Phil Fulmer is a good man, but he also an enabler. Our discipline rarely showed signs of improvement under him because the players never took him seriously. There was almost always another chance. Kiffin has let them know that those days are over. I'm not saying that his policy is one of zero tolerance, but the fact that Knoxville jails are not currently full of our players like in the past, is in part due to the stricter coaching staff. That's as plain as day, even if you can't see it.

...about a week after your 6th, genius

Hey, I do hate the man... I think he's a scumbag. I'll tell you another thing, it's a damn shame. I'm not going to go out and say I was ever a Vols fan; but I DID have lots of respect for the program. I do still have respect for some aspects of the university... I have to, because my favorite cousin will be playing for y'all this upcoming year. This has absolutely nothing to do with rivalry, the SEC, or the SEC East. I think Kiffin is a sack-o-turds... simple as that; and I'd think that no matter who he coached for, what his job was, or any other variable. Sorry, Mike, he's an a$$hole... if he was a man of the cloth, he'd still be an a$$hole.

And no, I don't think he's responsible for any grade improvements... hell, they don't even report frequently enough for there to have been a noticeable change yet. That's not to say he won't; I'm just countering that aspect of the other poster's claim... how can anyone make it when the guy's only been there 6 months, and can't even have contact with the players during this period? I know you remember us talking about that... coaches haven't even been able to have contact with the players during this time, outside of practice. I'm just questioning how much influence he could possibly have, with so little contact in his first 6 months on the job.

And, the arrests thing is great; but as I pointed out, 95% of your team is made up of guys Fulmer brought in, so it's a little difficult to hand that success to Kiffin... again, with him not having personal contact with players. If it stays that way, I'll give Kiffin and his policies their due; but I'm not willing to give all this credit to a guy who's spent so little time with his (and Fulmer's) players.

I think Urban Meyer is a sack of crap too, but I don't guess any of this is about him.
Come on, GU. I am aware of the non-contact period, but you and I both know, that a coach's influence does not end during this period. He simply puts the strength coach and team leaders in charge of making sure things are being done the right way. And the well established discipline factor remains since would-be troublemakers or poor performers in class know that they will be dealt with in time.
Come on, GU. Fulmer wasn't recruiting a better-behaved athlete at the end of his tenure than he had previously. The guys with zero arrests now are the same kind of guys who got in plenty of trouble before. The difference is discipline. You keep trying to take that out of the equation as if who you recruit is the lone factor in the number of arrests that you have. That just isn't the case. These young guys are impressionable.
You make that plain with your REPEATED bellyaching about Kiffin asking Nu'Keese to lie. Well, it would stand to reason that if a young man like Nu'Keese can be influenced by the head coach to do a bad thing like lie, then he can also be influenced to do well, right? And that influence doesn't have to correspond to your own ideas about how long prior to a non-contact period it takes to get guys headed in the right direction. That can be accomplished in a few words. Certainly, they'd have to be powerful words, but it can be done. And it that fails, then action. That's why your argument that Meyer was for the most part helpless since he had Zook's kids simply isn't true. That's why Kiffin could have done much more in a short period of time in regard to team discipline than you are willing to give him credit for.

No... this article comes from a site ran by a bunch of ass hats, I'd be defending any team under attack by these goons.

Well, as with the winning, only time will tell. Like I said, I'll give him his due if things really change so much after he's brought in some of his own players. That's the only way to evaluate how well he judges character. Sure, he gets some credit for whatever he's done so far, where discipline is concerned; but you don't hear too many folks giving Meyer that same credit... and he's cut the arrests problem considerably in the last couple of years.

If Kiffin has completely different attitudes and actions in private, or preaches something he doesn't himself practice, then that can only be a good thing; because he's proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he has some serious character defects of his own... might be one of those rare times when it's best for a coach to say "Do as I say, and not as I do."; although even doing as instructed has proven to be less than honorable so far.

How do you like my character now, herbs???

That one's pretty good; but, really, most people outside of Knoxville see Kiffin more like this:



or like this:



and think this is his fate: