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SEC Recruiting
Ah, Recruiting, Everyone wants to talk about recruiting.
i personally dont see why all these propects liking tenn without seeing the same in florida. Both can get a education, both have great traditions and great campus. the only differences i see is just the majors and PT. players having a connection with coachs... maybe. your saying all theses guy like tenn for one reason or another. i know you dont say every prospect, but most likes what they see in tenn. if that is so true then FNL is the biggest one night camp. PERIOD. like at least 200 guys going to this one night one day camp. Chaz green "best camp i been too". my point is just because a prospect comes to Tenn and says he likes it doesnt mean your in his top three or ect. you kind of make it seem that once you step on VOL land your a lock. no such thing as locks till Feb 2010. Call me captain obvious or whatever... its not a shot at you, its something that needs to be cleared up.
With the staff of recruiters we have, whenever we get a guy on campus we have a shot. I don't think we land everybody we're after, it's impossible. We are in on about 30 prospects legitimately but only have around 8 spots left depending on what happens with some of the guys that are long shots to qualify. But the evidence is out there that when guys visit Knoxville, they leave very impressed the majority of the time and a lot leave with UT firmly in the lead.
I don't go by what the recruit says publicly. I very rarely form my opinion based on that because there is so much misinformation that is put out there and, like you say, a recruit is generally going to speak favorably about a school he's just visited or an offer he's just received -- even more so if the guy interviewing him happens to be covering that school. I base most of what I say on what people around him are saying and what I hear from those that share information with me.
There are 8 guys in my article that I think UT leads for -- one is already committed. That's out of 24 that I discuss. I don't think that's excessive and certainly not out of the realm of possibility.
Your lack of objectivity is really telling in terms of the vein in which we should view the rest of your thoughts.
What BS statement? Like I told you, I am perfectly familiar with everything Dietrich Riley has had to say. When you get an offer from the world champions, yes, that's exciting. That buzz wears off though and there's no way you would have caught up with UT, USC, or ND on Riley. You got in too late. I don't give a crap what he says publicly. But AGAIN, and you seem to skip the intent of my posts and proceed on trying to discredit my opinion, (didn't you learn in debate to focus on the issues because to do otherwise gives the impression that you are grasping for straws?) My point had nothing to do with whether you were in on Riley or not and had everything to do with the fact that Elam is a superior athlete and safety.
We will see who all we get that Florida wants on signing day. There's no reaching and just because you say something sounds foolish doesn't make it so. You would have been spouting this nonsense about how we weren't getting Teague or Pete last year, and probably were and look how that turned out. Whether they are on the top of your board or not is irrelevant. They were on there and we took them.
Didn't Lane Kiffin calling every single one of your commits tell you that he doesn't give a crap WHERE they are on your board?? The simple fact that they are on it is enough. Perspective is a bitch, aint it? You say we aren't going to get any players you want, the rest of the world says Luc and Chaz Green will end up at UT. But yeah, it only appears that way to me.
100% certain? Who do you think you are fooling? There are still a couple of months before Elam enrolls. There is no way possible to be 100% confident he will be a Gator until he enrolls in school. Apparently you aren't as familiar with this process as you pretend to be, and must not have been paying attention last year. I spit on your 100% that's a joke. I think he will end up at Florida as well, but I wouldn't say 100% on anyone on our commit list. It's impossible. Anything could happen.
Elam is the top player in Florida on a lot of schools' board. He is the top safety in the nation. It's obvious that you guys have him at the top evidenced by the fact that you told him you wouldn't and will not pursue any other safeties in this class. I'm not talking about how they end up after their eligibility is expired. Use common logic here for Monte's sake. Elam > Riley. I'm talking about who the better prospect is right now, and you'd be an idiot if you didn't know it was Elam. You can't be for real with some of this.
Why would I fabricate sources? Have you seen the quotes I have from Chaz Green? I have about 10 more recruits I have quotes from and you won't find them anywhere on the internet. That's because they were given to me from a guy who has the credentials to talk to these guys. He actually has a relationship with some of these prospects and he's young so they trust him with stuff that you won't find anywhere on a website. I have half a dozen more people that have connections in one way or another to the program. Why would I fabricate that? You're just sounding bitter now. Did you read that article? There are about 20 different facts in there that you won't find anywhere else and I could have not possibly have known if I didn't have someone with a connection.
Oh, my bad. I missed the part where you said Rivals. Doesn't matter though. I said that I don't pay any heed to ESPN's rankings -- those are crap. I obviously don't think there is bias in what position they project a player at, come on. You Gators don't appear to be very bright.
Besides, we are recruiting him at OLB. Doesn't matter what Rivals says. They have Ted Meline listed as a WR and there's no way that he even starts out at WR for us.
I'm totally objective...I was at the game...I watched it from start to finish...there wasn't a Gator in the stadium that was actually "worried". And it would've been better for the Gators had UT threw the ball...our strongest unit on defense is the secondary.
And...I've never claimed to be an expert on recruiting. I have a couple of premium memberships and a friend who hears things...that's about it. What I find funny with you, Sabo...if you're as knowledgeable regarding recruiting, as you proclaim to be, then you should realize that, behind closed doors, these kids tell every school exactly what they want to hear.
It is humorous that you act as though you have all the answers...but when someone else posts "quotes" from the player himself, you write it off as "what he says in public". I think it's ridiculous to put stock in anything these guys say before NSD...I just think it's funny how you only put stock in the "pro-Vol" talk from these players. As far as Elam...I only say that he's 100% Gator because of his family. Of course, CJ Spiller's family was 100% Gator as well, so there's an exception to every rule.
Also...there's no such thing as "getting in too late" with regards to recruits...heck, Urban has signed several top players at the last minute...and let's not forget...it's not even November...most kids are still playing in their HS seasons...most all of them are still taking official visits.
On a final note...regarding Kiffin's infatuation with Gator recruiting...f$u started playing these same games 5-6 years ago...going after our recruits...getting recruits that committed to us to lie and pull the switcheroo on NSD...worked out real good for them...
Last edited by GatorHunter; 10-23-2009 at 06:27 PM.
Oh...I've never claimed to be an expert on recruiting. I have a couple of premium memberships and a friend who hears things...that's about it. What I find funny with you, Sabo...if you're as knowledgeable regarding recruiting, as you proclaim to be, then you should realize that, behind closed doors, these kids tell every school exactly what they want to hear.
That's not always true. It happens. But don't just paint all of these kids as less than stand-up individuals that value honestly and integrity in the recruiting process. Some do not speak to reporters solely for that reason. Lache Seastrunk, for instance, says he finds it hard not to tell reporters everything that he is feeling and thinking so he tries to avoid interviews when possible.
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It is humorous that you act as though you have all the answers...but when someone else posts "quotes" from the player himself, you write it off as "what he says in public". I think it's ridiculous to put stock in anything these guys say before NSD...I just think it's funny how you only put stock in the "pro-Vol" talk from these players. As far as Elam...I only say that he's 100% Gator because of his family. Of course, CJ Spiller's family was 100% Gator as well, so there's an exception to every rule.
Of course there is an exception to every rule. That doesn't make it the rule or require that it demands more attention because by it's very nature it happens rarely and is mostly unpredictable.
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Also...there's no such thing as "getting in too late" with regards to recruits...heck, Urban has signed several top players at the last minute...and let's not forget...it's not even November...most kids are still playing in their HS seasons...most all of them are still taking official visits.
There most certainly is such a thing. If you followed recruiting even passively for longer than a year you would know that. These coaches build relationships with players for years prior to their commitments and it's very difficult to overcome a long-standing relationship with a school for a staff such as ours last year that hasn't had as long to recruit them. There are also hundreds of examples of a school offering too late in the process. Gerald Jones with Oklahoma after he had already committed to the Vols. Lennon Creer waited all year for a Texas offer and when they finally did offer, he had already given Tennesee a silent commitment and told them they were too late. Are there exceptions? Sure. But like I said above, exceptions are just that and don't deserve the attention, especially due to the fact that they are unpredictable. I'm not speaking in absolutes here. I'm only sharing what I know today -- that could change tomorrow or even tonight the way these things go. I'm not guaranteeing I'm right on all of these guys.
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On a final note...regarding Kiffin's infatuation with Gator recruiting...f$u started playing these same games 5-6 years ago...going after our recruits...getting recruits that committed to us to lie and pull the switcheroo on NSD...worked out real good for them...
Yes, that should be the rule. Stay away from other team's recruits lest you end up like FSU. I'll send that message on to Kiffin.
Last edited by Sabanocchio; 10-23-2009 at 06:35 PM.
That's not always true. It happens. But don't just paint all of these kids as less than stand-up individuals that value honestly and integrity in the recruiting process. Some do not speak to reporters solely for that reason. Lache Seastrunk, for instance, says he finds it hard not to tell reporters everything that he is feeling and thinking so he tries to avoid interviews when possible.
Of course there is an exception to every rule. That doesn't make it the rule or require that it demands more attention because by it's very nature it happens rarely and is mostly unpredictable.
There most certainly is such a thing. If you followed recruiting even passively for longer than a year you would know that. These coaches build relationships with players for years prior to their commitments and it's very difficult to overcome a long-standing relationship with a school for a staff such as ours last year that hasn't had as long to recruit them. There are also hundreds of examples of a school offering too late in the process. Gerald Jones with Oklahoma after he had already committed to the Vols. Lennon Creer waited all year for a Texas offer and when they finally did offer, he had already given Tennesee a silent commitment and told them they were too late. Are there exceptions? Sure. But like I said above, exceptions are just that and don't deserve the attention, especially due to the fact that they are unpredictable. I'm not speaking in absolutes here. I'm only sharing what I know today -- that could change tomorrow or even tonight the way these things go. I'm not guaranteeing I'm right on all of these guys.
Some recruits may feel that way...but Coach Meyer has signed several "last minute" switches...heck, 2 from ND. Besides...it's not even close to being "late". Sure...players have developed relationships with coaches and sometimes that's hard to overcome...but history has shown that's not always the case. As far as Riley...who knows...I think he's likely more apt to sign with UT than UF...but he wasn't a "plan B" in case Elam went to UT, as you insinuated. His HS coach and Meyer are friends....besides, UF plans on signing 2 according to our board.
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Yes, that should be the rule. Stay away from other team's recruits lest you end up like FSU. I'll send that message on to Kiffin.
Has nothing to do with keeping away from another team's commits...it has everything to do with the games Kiffin is trying to play with regards to UF commits. Like I said, f$u did the same thing...nice how it's working out for them...don't ya think?
i really dont think anyone but auburn gets dyer and reed, seastrunk has us high on his list as well. ALSO those are the only offensive players I really think we need, mostly auburn is recruiting linemen and D backs. and im glad kiffen is concentrating on all of bama and UF recruits cause i may have to kill him if he steals more than his share of ours.
Some recruits may feel that way...but Coach Meyer has signed several "last minute" switches...heck, 2 from ND. Besides...it's not even close to being "late". Sure...players have developed relationships with coaches and sometimes that's hard to overcome...but history has shown that's not always the case. As far as Riley...who knows...I think he's likely more apt to sign with UT than UF...but he wasn't a "plan B" in case Elam went to UT, as you insinuated. His HS coach and Meyer are friends....besides, UF plans on signing 2 according to our board.
Has nothing to do with keeping away from another team's commits...it has everything to do with the games Kiffin is trying to play with regards to UF commits. Like I said, f$u did the same thing...nice how it's working out for them...don't ya think?
You said absolutely nothing worth discussing further in this post. In fact, you just demonstrated my point from the previous post. Except for that last bit. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Riley won't sign with Florida because Florida has already told Elam they won't go after any more safeties. Not sure how you missed that in my earlier post. I think he signs with USC personally. Yet again you miss my entire point and choose to argue something that was besides the point.
You said absolutely nothing worth discussing further in this post. In fact, you just demonstrated my point from the previous post. Except for that last bit. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Riley won't sign with Florida because Florida has already told Elam they won't go after any more safeties. Not sure how you missed that in my earlier post. I think he signs with USC personally. Yet again you miss my entire point and choose to argue something that was besides the point.
You don't have a freakin' clue what "Florida has already told Elam"...talk about "absolutely nothing worth discussing further in this post".
I didn't miss what you said about Riley or your point...I just think you're full of shiat. The Gators are looking to sign two...who knows, one may be Riley. Tell ya what, why don't you get your "credentialed buddy" to give 'em both a call for us...
Sabo, when I helped my friend with his radio show, I have talked to Dunkley personally. He probably knows more about the Gators than a lot of posters on here. He's enjoying the process and I think that's all there is to it.
Losing out on Chaz Green is not that big a deal. Florida signed one of the best in the Nation last year in Xavier Nixon.
Last edited by FloridaGator; 10-24-2009 at 02:54 AM.
No problem, bud. I LOVE ESPN for their player evals, but their rankings never seem to match-up with what they say there and they always favorably rate players that are in their Under-Armour AA game vs. those in the Army game. Some of what they are bad at isn't intentional and part of their problem is that they chiefly evaluate based on film whereas Rivals and Scout go out and evaluate these guys in camps and in game action. And the fact that you have to pay for their service just to view something as simple as your school's commit list just nose-dives their appeal in my eye.
Yeah, Ambles is going to be a beast. Hope he keeps his nose clean. I think Meline was going to end up in the DB no matter where he went, but that's just my opinion.
Oh, ya don't say? ESPN manipulating something to their advantage...
Sabo, when I helped my friend with his radio show, I have talked to Dunkley personally. He probably knows more about the Gators than a lot of posters on here. He's enjoying the process and I think that's all there is to it.
Losing out on Chaz Green is not that big a deal. Florida signed one of the best in the Nation last year in Xavier Nixon.
Good deal. He's not in the minority with that opinion.
You don't have a freakin' clue what "Florida has already told Elam"...talk about "absolutely nothing worth discussing further in this post".
I didn't miss what you said about Riley or your point...I just think you're full of shiat. The Gators are looking to sign two...who knows, one may be Riley. Tell ya what, why don't you get your "credentialed buddy" to give 'em both a call for us...
You want to make a wager out of it? I'll bet you anything imaginable that the Gators don't land Dietrich Riley. Put your money where your mouth is.
Last edited by Sabanocchio; 10-24-2009 at 10:33 AM.
You want to make a wager out of it? I'll bet you anything imaginable that the Gators don't land Dietrich Riley. Put your money where your mouth is.
...I said the Gators "may" get Riley. I don't know...and don't care...because we'll get Elam...care to wager regarding Elam??
Kinda stupid to argue on the decisions of players that may never amount to anything in CFB.
I just find it "interesting" that you "say" something...and I read elsewhere, basically, the complete opposite. Are you more credible than the "experts" that get paid??? After reading some of your "stuff"...I highly doubt it.
...I said the Gators "may" get Riley. I don't know...and don't care...because we'll get Elam...care to wager regarding Elam??
Kinda stupid to argue on the decisions of players that may never amount to anything in CFB.
I just find it "interesting" that you "say" something...and I read elsewhere, basically, the complete opposite. Are you more credible than the "experts" that get paid??? After reading some of your "stuff"...I highly doubt it.
Watch and see how things play out. Yes, you will get Elam. I've said as much previously. And Riley will end up at USC. He'll be a helluva player too.
I get my information from different places than the so-called experts so if it differs from time to time, that's why. I've never professed to be right all of the time. It's virtually impossible with the way these kids change their minds from day-to-day, hour-to-hour. But I don't repeat what I hear unless I hear it from a very good source. I have questionable sources too, people that know people and send me info voluntarily. I know who to trust and who not to. The guys I trust have been right 90% of the time at the time they shared what they knew.
I told you guys about Luc leaning Vol before anyone else was saying it. Now everywhere you read Luc's name it mentions he's leaning toward going to Knoxville.
BTW, Monte Kiffin and Luc have developed a really good relationship and Monte is personally handling the bulk of his recruiting.
...I said the Gators "may" get Riley. I don't know...and don't care...because we'll get Elam...care to wager regarding Elam??
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