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10-14-2009, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Sabanocchio  I hope Luc wasn't one of them. That will ruin your entire thread. | I'm not saying either way; but it'd hardly ruin the entire thread if a kid or two changes their mind, and is replaced with someone else. Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabanocchio I've heard the same thing. That is an important part of our pitch to him from what I hear. Strong will not be there for four more years. | Strong probably won't be there for 4 more years; unless we offer him a contract and raise that makes him as well paid as a lesser team that might offer him a HC contract. If he takes a job, it'll have to be a pretty big program to lure him away.
I don't think Florida has to actually sell kids by doing the same kind of negative recruiting that UT does, and telling kids BS about other programs... success sells itself.
But, I know other folks are probably telling Luc the same things about UT; and you have obviously missed some pretty basic conclusions about him, and your own program, and those are:
1. Wherever Luc goes, he's not going to be in college for 4 years, either. 2 years, and 3 tops, more than likely. This isn't a kid who's going to have to develop physically for 4 years to be ready to move on. He's physically prepared now... he just needs to improve his technique and skills.
2. This is probably the most important aspect of the coaching staff argument. While you guys are trying to convince Luc that Strong won't be there in 4 years, he can see for himself that the UT staff probably won't be there in 4 years. He already doesn't want to leave the state... he sure isn't going to want to move to Tennessee, when there's a good chance none of the guys who recruited him will be there during his college career.
We can have McCarney establish a relationship with Luc, and he'll know at least some of the staff will still be there, including the HC and the next DC; and that's assuming Strong gets an offer he likes enough to leave.
You guys can't promise anything about the future staff; because if the HC goes, everybody goes. That's what he gets to consider... some certainty (UF staff) against complete uncertainty (UT staff). | | | |  | |
10-14-2009, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by gatorunvrsty I'm not saying either way; but it'd hardly ruin the entire thread if a kid or two changes their mind, and is replaced with someone else. | So you just plan on plugging in any recruit should one fall off? Is that the deal? It's very noble of you to constantly remind us that you aren't naming names, when no one has asked you to do that. We are saying, WHERE ARE THE COMMITMENTS? If you landed 7 guys and you expect them to commit, then there is no reason they wouldn't be public by now. Quote:
Strong probably won't be there for 4 more years; unless we offer him a contract and raise that makes him as well paid as a lesser team that might offer him a HC contract. If he takes a job, it'll have to be a pretty big program to lure him away.
I don't think Florida has to actually sell kids by doing the same kind of negative recruiting that UT does, and telling kids BS about other programs... success sells itself.
But, I know other folks are probably telling Luc the same things about UT; and you have obviously missed some pretty basic conclusions about him, and your own program, and those are:
1. Wherever Luc goes, he's not going to be in college for 4 years, either. 2 years, and 3 tops, more than likely. This isn't a kid who's going to have to develop physically for 4 years to be ready to move on. He's physically prepared now... he just needs to improve his technique and skills.
2. This is probably the most important aspect of the coaching staff argument. While you guys are trying to convince Luc that Strong won't be there in 4 years, he can see for himself that the UT staff probably won't be there in 4 years. He already doesn't want to leave the state... he sure isn't going to want to move to Tennessee, when there's a good chance none of the guys who recruited him will be there during his college career.
We can have McCarney establish a relationship with Luc, and he'll know at least some of the staff will still be there, including the HC and the next DC; and that's assuming Strong gets an offer he likes enough to leave.
You guys can't promise anything about the future staff; because if the HC goes, everybody goes. That's what he gets to consider... some certainty (UF staff) against complete uncertainty (UT staff).
| I really don't know what to say about this part of your post. Most of it is just speculation. You don't know that we are negatively recruiting against you. Kiffin has reiterated multiple times that we do not negative recruit. that's not his style and that's not how he wants to be perceived in these homes and in these schools.
He also said that it surprised him how much negative recruiting goes on in the S/E. He didn't see much of that as the recruiting coordinator for Southern Cal. Every school it seems was negative recruiting against UT last year.
Props to him that he still put together a mighty good first class regardless. | | | | | | |
10-14-2009, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Sabanocchio So you just plan on plugging in any recruit should one fall off? Is that the deal? It's very noble of you to constantly remind us that you aren't naming names, when no one has asked you to do that. We are saying, WHERE ARE THE COMMITMENTS? If you landed 7 guys and you expect them to commit, then there is no reason they wouldn't be public by now. | That's incredibly naive of you, Sabo. I know this can't possibly be the first year you've followed recruiting; although judging from your rhetoric, I can reach no other logical conclusion.
You know, or should know, lots of kids plan big events to announce their decisions, complete with a row of hats, etc.. They plan these events with their families, schools, or at one of the All-Star games. The reason they don't make it public is because they want it to be a surprise for everybody concerned. If everybody already knows, there's no point in having a hat lineup, is there?
Therefore, I'm not making anything public until they're about to; so it doesn't have a chance to get all over the net before the kid announces for himself. I don't care about any rep for being an insider or any of that childish BS; I just like knowing for myself, and sharing with other fans that we did well.
Don't worry, I sent the names to myself and another member via PM the day I started this thread, complete with date and time; if it's that important to you that my info get verified later.  Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabanocchio I really don't know what to say about this part of your post. Most of it is just speculation. You don't know that we are negatively recruiting against you. Kiffin has reiterated multiple times that we do not negative recruit. that's not his style and that's not how he wants to be perceived in these homes and in these schools.
He also said that it surprised him how much negative recruiting goes on in the S/E. He didn't see much of that as the recruiting coordinator for Southern Cal. Every school it seems was negative recruiting against UT last year.
Props to him that he still put together a mighty good first class regardless. | Uuuummm, it's not specualtion on my part; you even admitted/confirmed it: Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabanocchio I've heard the same thing. That is an important part of our pitch to him from what I hear. Strong will not be there for four more years. | And I don't care what Kiffin says publicly about negative recruiting... he's proven to be a pathalogical liar. We know that from what numerous recruits have said last year and this year about their recruitment. Do I really need to remind you that he told NewKeys to lie to Meyer about his recruitment and commitment? Do I really need to rehash what he said to kids who were considering Carolina? Do I need to recall the things said about UGA during the recruitment and commitment of Brown? Do I need to post (again) the quotes from Elam and Riley? All those are just the tip of the sordid iceberg when it comes to how Kiffin goes about his business.
And, Sabo, that's not assumption or speculation on my part... those are words directly from one of your own current players that he recruited; and the words of more than enough other prospects to know they can't all be lying. Just be honest with yourself, and realize he's basically just a scumbag. Once you've resigned yourself to that very simple fact, then you can go about dealing with it... then you can say, "Okay, yeah, he's a lying scumbag, and has proven it repeatedly... BUT HE'S OUR LYING SCUMBAG, and I support him!!!".  | | | |
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