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Old 02-18-2009, 10:49 PM   #31 (permalink)
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The ability to scramble is a plus in the NFL, however. Look...not saying that the SO would work in the NFL...not even saying Tebow will ever amount to anything in the NFL...I just think he has the ability to.


How many times do you see a QB in the NFL scramble? We all saw Mike Vick do it, and while he was pretty good with his feet, overall he was poor at leading the offense. Tebow doesn't have the elusiveness of Mike Vick, and he won't be plowing over any NFL linebackers or CB's. So his ability to scramble may be advantageous in the way that Big Ben can avoid getting sacked for a few extra moments, but not as a running threat. His physicality would give him an advantage in the pocket, but he is not a pocket QB and never has been. Tebow's problem is not his athleticism or his ability, it's the system he has been developed in.

Tebow is specialized to excel in a system that is unique to college football. He's like a computer programmer who specializes in a language that only one company uses. Yeah, he can go back to school and learn other languages, but other companies would sooner hire somebody who already knows the language they are looking for. Tebow would be a project for any team that wanted him, and with only 32 starting QB jobs in the NFL, and even less teams that need a QB, the odds that a team is going to take a chance on him are not good. There are other good QB's out there who don't need as much re-education to run their offense.

That's why most people believe he will make it to the NFL in another capacity. He's clearly a great athlete and has a great attitude, and that can only help him. I just think, like many others, that it will be as a fullback of H-back.
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How many times do you see a QB in the NFL scramble? We all saw Mike Vick do it, and while he was pretty good with his feet, overall he was poor at leading the offense. Tebow doesn't have the elusiveness of Mike Vick, and he won't be plowing over any NFL linebackers or CB's. So his ability to scramble may be advantageous in the way that Big Ben can avoid getting sacked for a few extra moments, but not as a running threat. His physicality would give him an advantage in the pocket, but he is not a pocket QB and never has been. Tebow's problem is not his athleticism or his ability, it's the system he has been developed in.

Tebow is specialized to excel in a system that is unique to college football. He's like a computer programmer who specializes in a language that only one company uses. Yeah, he can go back to school and learn other languages, but other companies would sooner hire somebody who already knows the language they are looking for. Tebow would be a project for any team that wanted him, and with only 32 starting QB jobs in the NFL, and even less teams that need a QB, the odds that a team is going to take a chance on him are not good. There are other good QB's out there who don't need as much re-education to run their offense.

That's why most people believe he will make it to the NFL in another capacity. He's clearly a great athlete and has a great attitude, and that can only help him. I just think, like many others, that it will be as a fullback of H-back.

This is a great post, and I agree.

I would only add that if Tim lands with a team willing to commit in large part to the spread (not spread-option) philosophy, I think he has a great shot at being successful in the NFL.

Most NFL teams I see on Sunday are running 75% out of the gun with 3-4 WRs.
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Ask Alex Smith how well he transitioned in the NFL because of that smoke and mirrors bull&*%$!!!!!!
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This is a great post, and I agree.

I would only add that if Tim lands with a team willing to commit in large part to the spread (not spread-option) philosophy, I think he has a great shot at being successful in the NFL.

Most NFL teams I see on Sunday are running 75% out of the gun with 3-4 WRs.
It may work if the QB doesn't have to run the ball much. I don't think he could survive the season running in the nfl, but Tebow is pretty tough and if anyone could do it, he is your man.

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Ask Alex Smith how well he transitioned in the NFL because of that smoke and mirrors bull&*%$!!!!!!
Can't go just on that, though; and say that's the only reason. Look at all the pro-style QB's that fail in the NFL. What's their excuse?

There have only been a handful of spread offense type QB's go into the league so far. Who's to say those guys wouldn't have still struggled if they'd been running a pro-style offense in college? The style you run in college doesn't necessarily make or break your ability to play in the NFL.
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How many times do you see a QB in the NFL scramble? We all saw Mike Vick do it, and while he was pretty good with his feet, overall he was poor at leading the offense. Tebow doesn't have the elusiveness of Mike Vick, and he won't be plowing over any NFL linebackers or CB's. So his ability to scramble may be advantageous in the way that Big Ben can avoid getting sacked for a few extra moments, but not as a running threat. His physicality would give him an advantage in the pocket, but he is not a pocket QB and never has been. Tebow's problem is not his athleticism or his ability, it's the system he has been developed in.

Tebow is specialized to excel in a system that is unique to college football. He's like a computer programmer who specializes in a language that only one company uses. Yeah, he can go back to school and learn other languages, but other companies would sooner hire somebody who already knows the language they are looking for. Tebow would be a project for any team that wanted him, and with only 32 starting QB jobs in the NFL, and even less teams that need a QB, the odds that a team is going to take a chance on him are not good. There are other good QB's out there who don't need as much re-education to run their offense.

That's why most people believe he will make it to the NFL in another capacity. He's clearly a great athlete and has a great attitude, and that can only help him. I just think, like many others, that it will be as a fullback of H-back.
Who is this poster?!?!? Objective, constructive criticism of Tebow? This is not the D3 we Gator fans love to hate!!! Something's amiss here!!!

Agree 100%. He would be a project...but, like GN says below...many QBs in the NFL are taking a majority of their snaps in the SG...and Tebow has shown one thing above all others...he's a winner.

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This is a great post, and I agree.

I would only add that if Tim lands with a team willing to commit in large part to the spread (not spread-option) philosophy, I think he has a great shot at being successful in the NFL.

Most NFL teams I see on Sunday are running 75% out of the gun with 3-4 WRs.
Agreed...
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fellas... we deal with Joe Heisman-Theisman's mouth every day here in the DC AREA...

Yes the Spread offense is a very frustrating thing to watch from a fan perspective, but one must remember that the passes still need to be made. Getting the ball from point A to point B is still highly important...

My argument? I have NO idea how OU couldnt stop roughly 5 plays with 4 variances... Is it me? Or did UF run the same 6 plays all game?

I dunno. The spread is VERY boring, but if a coach can recruit accordingly to the offense, lord! It may be the deadliest offense in the history of football (college).
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Who is this poster?!?!? Objective, constructive criticism of Tebow? This is not the D3 we Gator fans love to hate!!! Something's amiss here!!!


I must be slipping... better watch myself.
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Who is this poster?!?!? Objective, constructive criticism of Tebow? This is not the D3 we Gator fans love to hate!!! Something's amiss here!!!

Agree 100%. He would be a project...but, like GN says below...many QBs in the NFL are taking a majority of their snaps in the SG...and Tebow has shown one thing above all others...he's a winner.



Agreed...
Theismann was wrong with his original assessment, anyway. He says Flacco didn't run a spread offense at Delaware, but that's completely false. He did run a spread offense at Delaware, and passed almost exclusively out of the shotgun.

"Scott Brunner, who played for the Giants, Broncos and Cardinals after starring as a quarterback at Delaware, works with the quarterbacks.

Brunner fine-tuned Flacco, who had to become comfortable taking snaps from center because he mostly passed out of a shotgun at Delaware, which runs a spread offense."

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Theismann was wrong with his original assessment, anyway. He says Flacco didn't run a spread offense at Delaware, but that's completely false. He did run a spread offense at Delaware, and passed almost exclusively out of the shotgun.

"Scott Brunner, who played for the Giants, Broncos and Cardinals after starring as a quarterback at Delaware, works with the quarterbacks.

Brunner fine-tuned Flacco, who had to become comfortable taking snaps from center because he mostly passed out of a shotgun at Delaware, which runs a spread offense."

Program fine-tunes NFL draft hopefuls | Philadelphia Inquirer | 02/19/2009



Flacco was a great prospect because of his height, and accuracy (considered to be the most accurate and best arm in the draft). He was a pocket QB, he was not a spread-option QB.
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Can't go just on that, though; and say that's the only reason. Look at all the pro-style QB's that fail in the NFL. What's their excuse?

There have only been a handful of spread offense type QB's go into the league so far. Who's to say those guys wouldn't have still struggled if they'd been running a pro-style offense in college? The style you run in college doesn't necessarily make or break your ability to play in the NFL.
Kinda funny that we have these discussions with regards to NFL QBs. Of the dozens of QBs that enter the draft..are drafted...or picked up by a team...how many are actually successful? Not starters, mind you...successfull players that win their team games. Probably less than 1%...right? So why all the talk about a junior QB's prospective in the NFL? And why would anyone believe that they could somehow "predict" how well a QB is gonna do? A QB has to have a nearly perfect situation to compete in the NFL..running game, OL, WRs and a OC. Lot of factors that go into this...funny how some "pundits" can make such bold predictions considering.
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Like it or not,running cum's system as a QB definitely cost tebow a lot of money initially.If he were at LSU,uga or bama he would be the 1st player selected out of college...that will not happen because he went to fu.I personally think he will do well in the pros though.
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Dear Joe:

College football is not in the business of developing players for the NFL. They are in business of winning games at the college level.

Perhaps the NFL should invest in a farm system like MLB.

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College football is not in the business of developing players for the NFL. They are in business of winning games at the college level.

Perhaps the NFL should invest in a farm system like MLB.

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Certainly not at fu with qb's.But the effect of that system has already effected cum from getting the nation's best RB's.Why would a RB play there knowing it might effect their draft status if they want to go to the next level.He wins ballgames but it does have consequences.The harvin type backs will do well in the nfl.
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Certainly not at fu with qb's.But the effect of that system has already effected cum from getting the nation's best RB's.Why would a RB play there knowing it might effect their draft status if they want to go to the next level.He wins ballgames but it does have consequences.The harvin type backs will do well in the nfl.
How would playing at UF effect a RB's draft status? Thought we were discussing QBs...

Everything you've posted is strictly opinion...

The Gators lead the SEC in rushing this past season...and have been in the top in the league since Meyer got to Gainesville. We haven't been able to get a top RB because we use WR and scat-backs to get our yards and opposing coaches use this to recruit against us. That's OK, though...as long as we continue to get players like Chris Rainey and Jeff Demps...we don't need the "traditional" bruiser that most SEC teams depend on.
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