Most of us have seen the violations and proposed penalties recommended/outlined by USC to the NCAA against the USC football program. The State newspaper is running a poll similar to this one and I thought it would be interesting to see what you believe. Try to be objective. With regards to the recommended penalties, vote on the following:
1. The penalties are too harsh.
2. The penalties are right on target.
3. The penalties are not harsh enough.
Just in case you haven't seen the proposed penalties recommended by USC, they are below (taken from the summary disposition report). There were no Bowl bans or TV restrictions mentioned.
1. A two-year period of probation effective with the date of the submission of the summary disposition report.
2. A limitation of 50 on the number of permissible expense-paid campus visits in the sport of football for the 2005-06 and 2006-07 recruiting periods. This represents a reduction of six (or slightly more than 10 percent) from the legislatively allowed maximum of 56 per year, and a reduction of three (or more than five percent) from the average number of 53 expense-paid visits used by the football program and its former coaching staff for the past four recruiting years.
3. A limitation of two fewer total financial aid awards than otherwise permitted by NCAA legislation for both the 2006-07 and 2007-08 academic years.
4. There were also disciplinary actions/reprimands/admonishments outlined for several folks affiliated with the Gamecock football program (Tom Perry, Clyde Wrenn, Lou Holtz, Paul Lounsberry, and Pat Moorer).
Just in case anyone's interested, The State's results (as of July 15th, 7:45 AM Central) reflect 1614 votes: 230 votes (14%) for "Too Harsh", 469 votes (29%) for "Right On Target", and 915 votes (57%) for "Not Harsh Enough." Keep in mind that most of those votes are coming from SC fans and SC haters (Clemson).
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Last edited by GAMECOCK_FAN : 07-15-2005 at 07:53 AM.
I don't think they are harsh enough considering you guys got LOIC. However, do I think the NCAA will accep them? Yep. Is it unfair?? Yep..damn straight it is.
Sorry Gamecock, i had to vote "not harsh enough". I haven't read the list of infractions, as those can get very vague and longwinded, but I have seen where USC has admitted to 5 major violations including lack of intitutional control. If that is true then this punishment is very light. I also have to assume that if the NCAA accepts the suggested punishment that they have shown some favoritism. I mean, Steve Spurrier back in the SEC....that is a major college football story, and one the whole nation will want to watch.
I hope USC makes it out of this without too much damage, but, Ole Miss was NAILED by the NCAA, and they showed absolutely no mercy.
Gamecock fans who don't think that more will come are kidding themselves. Five majors demands more than what has been proposed.
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I don't think they are harsh enough considering you guys got LOIC. However, do I think the NCAA will accep them? Yep. Is it unfair?? Yep..damn straight it is.
what do you think would be fair?
i agree with you that it's probably not harsh enough, but i don't think it should be any worse than maybe another scholly or two removed and a couple more years of probation. i don't think it should be worse than that considering the LOIC really isn't even an issue anymore. the new AD and football coach are both highly respected by the NCAA for their reputations of running completely clean programs, and this is the first time we've done anything wrong (or at least been caught for it) in 15 years....there's no significant history of cheating at USC.
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Gamecock fans who don't think that more will come are kidding themselves. Five majors demands more than what has been proposed.
Sorry, Gamecock, I also voted not harsh enough. The Col is right, I think; five majors will be of significant concern to the NCAA. Tough to stomach, though.
I think the penalties are fair. I'm mad as H@!! any of them happened. And further more I will no longer defend Holtz. I've been one of the few in Gamecock Nation who's stood up for him, but no more. Sorry about the rant.
Back to the point. USC didn't pay players to come to the school, they didn't take tests for them, and they weren't paying the refs off. What they did was bad and stupid, but two years and the loss of 4 schollies is enough. I would think losing bowls and tv time is too harsh.
I voted for right on target but prob b/c I'm a gamecock fan. I think more punishment is in order and will be recieved. The NCAA will not treat us like UT, Oklahoma, or the "real" USC, they have a hard-on for us (see mike rathe, jason white, 3 years on campus) and will punish us. Is it deserved? Definately, without question. USC has done bad things and should pay for them. The SEC really is a disgrace....
USC fans seem to be missing the point on two things:
1) LOIC is WORST part of it.
2) The NCAA does not care if the parties responsible for the mess are still there or not.
This does not mean that it is a slam dunk that the NCAA will hammer USC. I know that USC fans do not believe in history, but the way the NCAA has dealt with the SEC in the past leads me to believe that the punishment will be more than what USC picked.
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This does not mean that it is a slam dunk that the NCAA will hammer USC. I know that USC fans do not believe in history, but the way the NCAA has dealt with the SEC in the past leads me to believe that the punishment will be more than what USC picked.
agreed...i just don't think the punishment is going to be drastically more severe
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If I were to guess, the LOIC will cost you something like 10 scholarships over a two year period and I would also bet that they limit the total number each year.
Proposed Penalties for USC?
