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August 27, 2009

Is closing LSU practices a panic move by Les Miles?

By Glenn Guilbeau
Gannett Louisiana News


BATON ROUGE - The last open football practice of the 2009 season was last Monday. I say open, but it's more like a peep hole. Since Nick Saban became LSU's coach in 2000, reporters have been allowed to watch about 10-15 minutes of the early portion of practice and then werre escorted out.
Since about all one can gather over that span are injuries and absentee players, and those make great news nuggets, that was about all that we got from the practices. LSU coach Les Miles does not like injury information to get out, which is why he so often lies about his players' injuries, which is fine. All coaches do it.

Few lie as transparently as Miles, but they all do it. But the reporters usually were able to find out what they needed anwyay.

This give and take went on in the 2005, '06, '07 and '08 seasons, and Miles did close practice all together in 2007 and 2008 after key losses. Information Miles didn't like getting out kept getting out, but it didn't really matter because he lost just two games in each of his first four seasons. In fact injury information never won or lost a football game in the history of the game. Football coaches are just paranoid, have seen too many war movies and they think injury knowledge matters.

Meanwhile, baseball coaches not only tell you who's hurt, but they tell you who's pitching today, tomorrow and the next day. Therefore, baseball coaches are real men.

But I digress.

This summer Miles decided he was going to close practices all together because too much injury information was getting out. The question is this. Why didn't he close practice in all season long in '06, '07 or '08? Because 2009 is his first season coming off an 8-5 season. So I guess we reporters lost all those games.

Sorry about that.

But does this mean I won all those games in 2007?

In truth, it does not matter to me that practices are hereby completely closed. It will give me more time to write, blog, tweet, email, chat and whatever else they think of next. This policy could actually lead to more accurate stories, because several writers who cover LSU were trying to glean far more than is possible from a 15-minute practice peek. For example, just because a regular starter is not with the first team does not always mean anything. He could be with the first team later after the media is gone, or the coaches may be working on depth.

They know what Richard Dickson can do. They don't have to keep seeing it. But many reporters didn't realize this and went with what they saw in their peek without checking with contacts who watch all of practice.

But Miles' move at this time worries me. Is he blaming the media for the poor coaching his team received last season? But the most worrisome thing is this. LSU coaches who have completely closed practices never won again. Those were Gerry DiNardo and Curley Hallman.



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Guilbeau, of course, is a know-nothing douchebag who is looking for something to write. Contrary to Gump opinion, Miles is no dummy. He is smart to keep injuries close to the vest, and, he will have his team prepared. Trust me; the maturing of JJ and the injection of the Chavis defensive regime, replete with his cadre of defensive coaches, will make your jaw drop open this season.
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Ironically I would say just like coaches overstating the importance of the media dissemination of injury reports in this case the media are overstating the meaning behind closed practices. It seems like two equally paranoid sides of a coin if you ask me. And if this writer feels so strongly about "bad coaching" last year from Miles and his staff would he then say the kids rose above it in the bowl game demolition? I'm tired of the relentless Miles can't coach bandwagon. It is asinine and I would say not remotely objective.
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The writer of that arcticle has notoriously been somewhat of a LSU hater. Miles has closed practices from time to time. Fine with me. I'm not going anyway. Why sports media think they have a right to view college football team practices is beyond me. LSU or not. They have no right. It's the coaches call, not some douchebag sports writer.
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Miles is doing better at LSU than Saban did. Miles comes off as some idiot from the Big 12 and lots of people cant understand how he's so successful in Baton Rouge. On the other hand Bama had to beg and plead to pry Saban away from the NFL, and now he is the supposed "savior" of their program. So, how can some doofus from the Big 12 do a better job at LSU than Bama's saving grace?? Thats a question that Bama fans will go to great means to avoid, even if it means buying into dumbass articles like the one above.
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Miles is doing better at LSU than Saban did. Miles comes off as some idiot from the Big 12 and lots of people cant understand how he's so successful in Baton Rouge. On the other hand Bama had to beg and plead to pry Saban away from the NFL, and now he is the supposed "savior" of their program. So, how can some doofus from the Big 12 do a better job at LSU than Bama's saving grace?? Thats a question that Bama fans will go to great means to avoid, even if it means buying into dumbass articles like the one above.

What the hells this article got to do with Bama ?? or Saban ??

Just so you know, Bama fans could give less than 2 terds about Les Miles and the way he handles his practices.

And I guess you think that when coaches leave they take their players with them.
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Actually, I'm a big fan of Les Miles.
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A laughable article by a laughable sportswriter........

.....and so, how about dem 3-0 Saints! 45-7 today over the hapless Raiders. This ain't your daddy's Saints!
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What the hells this article got to do with Bama ?? or Saban ??

Just so you know, Bama fans could give less than 2 terds about Les Miles and the way he handles his practices.

And I guess you think that when coaches leave they take their players with them.
WTF is that?

If you bammers don't give a rats "a" about Miles, why do alot of y'all go to great lengths to hate on the man.
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What the hells this article got to do with Bama ?? or Saban ??

Just so you know, Bama fans could give less than 2 terds about Les Miles and the way he handles his practices.

And I guess you think that when coaches leave they take their players with them.
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WTF is that?

If you bammers don't give a rats "a" about Miles, why do alot of y'all go to great lengths to hate on the man.

I think he mentioned Bama fans hating on Miles because of, well the overwhelmingly negative statements made on this board about Miles by numerous Bama fans. Miles has been very successful at LSU but I have yet to hear a single positive statement about him, or any other SEC coach, from any Bama fans. I'm not saying this as a flame against Bama fans, there are several here that I consider good friends. But as I type this post I honestly cannot recall a single positive statement about any coach from them unless it was about Nick Saban or Bear Bryant.
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Miles is doing better at LSU than Saban did. Miles comes off as some idiot from the Big 12 and lots of people cant understand how he's so successful in Baton Rouge. On the other hand Bama had to beg and plead to pry Saban away from the NFL, and now he is the supposed "savior" of their program. So, how can some doofus from the Big 12 do a better job at LSU than Bama's saving grace?? Thats a question that Bama fans will go to great means to avoid, even if it means buying into dumbass articles like the one above.
I have been hoping that nobody would bring that up. The secret is now out. What are we to do?!!

But for the sake of reality, what Bama fan who pays any attention at all, would question another coach who closes practice when our own coach closes practices?
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Miles is doing better at LSU than Saban did. Miles comes off as some idiot from the Big 12 and lots of people cant understand how he's so successful in Baton Rouge. On the other hand Bama had to beg and plead to pry Saban away from the NFL, and now he is the supposed "savior" of their program. So, how can some doofus from the Big 12 do a better job at LSU than Bama's saving grace?? Thats a question that Bama fans will go to great means to avoid, even if it means buying into dumbass articles like the one above.
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I have been hoping that nobody would bring that up. The secret is now out. What are we to do?!!

But for the sake of reality, what Bama fan who pays any attention at all, would question another coach who closes practice when our own coach closes practices?

Cocky's statement about Miles doing better @ LSU than did Saban made me go and check this out for myself, especally since this has been a major point of contention between Bama fans & LSU fans for the last couple of years. Here is how both coaches stints at LSU break down

Year 1
Saban 2000: Record 8-4, won Peach Bowl, bad losses to Auburn & UF home loss to UAB.
Miles: 2005: Record 11-2, won Peach Bowl
Advantage: Miles

Year 2
Saban 2001: Record 10-3, SEC Champions, won Sugar Bowl, bad loss to UF
Miles 2006: Record 11-2, Won Sugar Bowl
Advantage: Saban, (tough call here since Miles actually had a better record, gave the nod to Saban since he won the conference)

Year 3
Saban 2002: Record 8-5, lost Cotton Bowl, bad losses to Va Tech, Auburn, Alabama,
Miles 2007: Record 12-2, won SEC & BCS national championships
Advantage: Miles

Year 4
Saban 2003: Record 13-1, won SEC & National championships
Miles 2008: Record 8-5, won Chik-fil-A Bowl, bad losses to UF, UGA, Ole Miss
Advantage: Saban

Year 5
Saban 2004: Record 9-3, lost Capital One Bowl, Third loss in five years to Auburn, BTW, bad loss to UGA.
Miles 2009: ???????

In Saban's first four season's at LSU he won two conference & one BCS title. Miles first four seasons have seen one conference & one BCS title. In four seasons Miles' record is 42-11. Saban had a record of 39-13 over his first four seasons. Looking at their conference records, Miles is sitting at 22-10 in SEC play, wile Saban had a record of 22-10. AS for bowl games, Saban had a 3-2 record. Miles has a 4-0 record in bowl games

Titles, Saban has the advantage
Overall wins Miles has the advantage
Conference wins it's a tie.
Bowl wins Miles has the advantage

In conclusion I have to say that Les Miles is as good and in some respects better than Nick Saban. Both are good coaches and I think that after studying both records wile at LSU, I must say that Miles is a better coach that I supposed before my research and conversely, Saban not quite as good as I supposed him to be.

One thing that I wish to point out here is that the contention of many that Miles has simply rode the wave of talent that Saban left behind, looks to be a gross over simplification of the facts. This over simplification has been accepted as gospel truth. I contend that wile Saban did leave a good deal of talent and in fact left the program in much better shape than when he arrived, there were still some issues with Saban's last LSU team. The fall off of the 2004 LSU from the 2003 team is appreciable. I think it is an accomplishment to be proud of in that Miles took this team and improved them to a 11 win season in 2005. Saban did help lay the foundation, but Miles has taken that foundation and improved upon it. Yes, 2008 was a bitterly disappointing season for LSU, but before anyone makes to much over this fact I think I must point out that Saban followed up his BCS title year with one very similar to Miles. In fact in Saban's five years at LSU, three of those seasons (2000: 8-4, 2002: 8-5, 2004: 9-3) must be considered as being just as, if not more, disappointing as 2008 was for Miles at LSU.

To say that Miles is an idiot wile at the same time contending Saban is one of best coaches in the nation is absurd.
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I guess people have forgotten that saban made lsu what it is lulz

Another prime example right here.

Yes, Saban turned a struggling LSU program around but Miles has done as good and in some regards even better than did Saban. By continuing to ignore the facts you are only making yourself look foolish.
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Miles is doing better at LSU than Saban did. Miles comes off as some idiot from the Big 12 and lots of people cant understand how he's so successful in Baton Rouge. On the other hand Bama had to beg and plead to pry Saban away from the NFL, and now he is the supposed "savior" of their program. So, how can some doofus from the Big 12 do a better job at LSU than Bama's saving grace?? Thats a question that Bama fans will go to great means to avoid, even if it means buying into dumbass articles like the one above.
Well, let's keep in mind that the 2 coaches didn't exactly take over similar programs, either. When Saban got to LSU, they had been the anus of the conference for over a decade... I mean they were terrible in the '90's; like 58-65-1 (.472) from '89-'99. The only teams worse than LSU in that time period were USC, Vandy, and UK. They weren't "struggling"... they flat out stunk up the place. Look at these season records before Saban: 4-7, 5-6, 5-6, 2-9, 5-6, 4-7, 7-4-1, 10-2, 9-3, 4-7, 3-8. If not for those couple of anomalous seasons in the middle, it'd have really been ugly.

When Miles got there, LSU was already back to being a powerhouse team, with 2 SEC titles, 1 National title, and a boatload of talent.

So, I wouldn't say Miles has done a better job than Saban at all. I'd say Saban did one helluva job turning a doormat into a powerhouse; and Miles has done a decent job of keeping them that way.

In fact, I'd venture to say that if Miles had taken over the team that Saban did, they still wouldn't have won any more SEC or National Championships... they'd still be struggling. Everything LSU is today, Miles owes to Saban. Look what Miles did with his own lousy program, OSU: If Miles could turn a loser into a National contender, he'd have done it with them. Instead he went 4-7, 8-5, 9-4, and 7-5; and went 1-2 in bowl games. They improved, but he didn't make Champions out of a perennial loser like Saban did.
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