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Old 03-06-2008, 04:14 PM   #31 (permalink)
 
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What, Big time programs coming in and trying to steal in-state recruits from us? Yeah, we have the same problem. Florida just has more people, therefore more talent. The numbers change, the problem is the same. It's not my fault that Florida has 16 million more people than Arkansas does. There is a reason rivals makes a top 100 list for Florida and a top 5 list for Arkansas. Regardless, we have to deal with USC, Texas, LSU, Oklahoma, and Tennessee etc trying to get their hands on those top 5 just like Florida has to deal with all those other Florida schools etc. trying to get their hands on those top 100. Get over it.
thats what im talkin about. u might have to fight off other schools for ur top 5 players in state but after that, u should prettymuch be able to take ur pick. florida has to fight with ppl for there top 50 at least. ur 10th best player mabe a shoe-in for arky while floridas 10th best player has offers from every major school n the country.
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They SHOULD pull more in-state guys. There aren't a lot of people who live there. I have no sympathy for Schools in Highly populated areas getting two or three fewer 5 star commitments out of their own state because of other schools, because Louisiana get two maybe three 5 star players a year on average out of their state. Arkansas gets one.... or none. Florida produces like 20 every year. What, am supposed to feel sorry for you, AND put up with all of your crap all year about how much better your recruiting is than ours? No, I have no sympathy for you or Georgia or USC or Texas. In fact, I think more schools should recruit those areas. I want to steal as many recruits from Florida as possible.
florida has never had 20 5 star recruits. the state is lucky to produce more then 5 a year. each year there is only roughly 30 5 star players in the country and 20 of them are not coming out of florida alone
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thats what im talkin about. u might have to fight off other schools for ur top 5 players in state but after that, u should prettymuch be able to take ur pick. florida has to fight with ppl for there top 50 at least. ur 10th best player mabe a shoe-in for arky while floridas 10th best player has offers from every major school n the country.
You aren't getting the point. Arkansas 10th best player isn't the same caliber as Florida's 10th best player. In all likelyhood, Florida's 10th best player is a 5 or 4 star. This year, Arkansas 10th best player was a 2..... and this was a good year. Our 10th best player is the equivalent to Florida's 200th.... At that point, Florida has their pick as well....
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florida has never had 20 5 star recruits. the state is lucky to produce more then 5 a year. each year there is only roughly 30 5 star players in the country and 20 of them are not coming out of florida alone
Hyperbole....

And if we are talking about pure numbers.... in the past 5 years here is where the 5 star talent is ALWAYS at....


California
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and to a somewhat lesser extend Ohio and Georgia.
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You aren't getting the point. Arkansas 10th best player isn't the same caliber as Florida's 10th best player. In all likelyhood, Florida's 10th best player is a 5 or 4 star. This year, Arkansas 10th best player was a 2..... and this was a good year. Our 10th best player is the equivalent to Florida's 200th.... At that point, Florida has their pick as well....
but florida doesnt recruit there 200th player. that doesnt make any sense. if florida goes after its 10th best then there fighting like 20 other schools. if arky goes after its 10th then they should get them no problem. all that other stuff u said about ratios is pointless
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Hyperbole....

And if we are talking about pure numbers.... in the past 5 years here is where the 5 star talent is ALWAYS at....


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and to a somewhat lesser extend Ohio and Georgia.
whats ur point? u said florida has 20 5 star players a year and thats not even close to the truth.
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Hyperbole....

And if we are talking about pure numbers.... in the past 5 years here is where the 5 star talent is ALWAYS at....


California
Texas
FLORIDA
Pennsylvania
and to a somewhat lesser extend Ohio and Georgia.
Dude, the point is that due to the state of things in Louisiana, LSU has to do very little work to get the best players in their state. Kids in Louisiana dream about going to LSU. All it takes for the majority of the 4 and 5 star players there is an offer from LSU and that's where they are going. In Florida, there is so much more competition for the good athletes' services that you can't just take the top few athletes from the state every year, no matter what school you are. Ask Ramp, ask Geaux, ask any LSU fan or Louisiana native and they will tell you exactly what I am. Louisiana also isn't as talent poor as you would like to think. The number of players that LSU has in the NFL from Louisiana should be pretty indicative of that.
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Dude, the point is that due to the state of things in Louisiana, LSU has to do very little work to get the best players in their state. Kids in Louisiana dream about going to LSU. All it takes for the majority of the 4 and 5 star players there is an offer from LSU and that's where they are going. In Florida, there is so much more competition for the good athletes' services that you can't just take the top few athletes from the state every year, no matter what school you are. Ask Ramp, ask Geaux, ask any LSU fan or Louisiana native and they will tell you exactly what I am. Louisiana also isn't as talent poor as you would like to think. The number of players that LSU has in the NFL from Louisiana should be pretty indicative of that.
Nope, I still don't feel sorry for you.... It's like a kid bitching about the icing on his birthday cake. You sound like a spoiled little brat....
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but florida doesnt recruit there 200th player. that doesnt make any sense. if florida goes after its 10th best then there fighting like 20 other schools. if arky goes after its 10th then they should get them no problem. all that other stuff u said about ratios is pointless
That's exactly my point. Florida is a big boy... they have more recruits near them than LSU does. They have more recruits to jostle over than Almost every state in the country. I have no sympathy for a school who has to fight off other schools for talent. Especially when they are sitting on a motherload. I would love to have the problem Florida has. Heck... I'd love to have the problem USC or Texas or Florida or UMiami or Florida St. have. LSU does NOT have a recruiting advantage over Florida. In fact there are only two schools that do, and that's USC and Texas. And that is only because they are more prestigious historical programs.
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Nope, I still don't feel sorry for you.... It's like a kid bitching about the icing on his birthday cake. You sound like a spoiled little brat....
I'm asking you to feel sorry for me, chief. I'm pointing out that LSU doesn't have nearly the same competition for recruits in their homestate that other schools around the country face, which is relevant to the topic of the thread. I'll get back to you with statistics when I get a chance, because you clearly don't believe what I'm telling you.
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You're right. But you have to admit this too, that Louisiana doesn't have nearly the amount of talent that the state of Florida dos either. Less talent, equals less competition.
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You're right. But you have to admit this too, that Louisiana doesn't have nearly the amount of talent that the state of Florida dos either. Less talent, equals less competition.
Sure it does. The main reason behind LSU not having alot of competition for players in their state isn't due to a lack of talent. There is plenty of talent to be found in Louisiana, as clearly evidenced by LSU's success and their roster. The main reason they don't have a ton of competition is because kids in Louisiana grow up living, eating and breathing LSU football. As kids, my friends dreamed about playing for LSU and most high school players in Louisiana would probably tell you that if they got an offer from LSU they would go there in a heartbeat. There isn't a comparable situation at any other SEC school. I'm not arguing that there isn't a ton of talent in Florida, but that Les has a unique situation that more or less guarantees him a certain number of 4 star players and makes it a lot easier to pull in any 5 star players that Louisiana produces. Most other schools can't say that.
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Sure it does. The main reason behind LSU not having alot of competition for players in their state isn't due to a lack of talent. There is plenty of talent to be found in Louisiana, as clearly evidenced by LSU's success and their roster. The main reason they don't have a ton of competition is because kids in Louisiana grow up living, eating and breathing LSU football. As kids, my friends dreamed about playing for LSU and most high school players in Louisiana would probably tell you that if they got an offer from LSU they would go there in a heartbeat. There isn't a comparable situation at any other SEC school. I'm not arguing that there isn't a ton of talent in Florida, but that Les has a unique situation that more or less guarantees him a certain number of 4 star players and makes it a lot easier to pull in any 5 star players that Louisiana produces. Most other schools can't say that.

LSU is good for a lot of reasons. The fact that they have a slightly better than average recruiting pool isn't one of them. They have been well coached well prepared and they function as a team.

Alabama has great recruits, they haven't done squat in 20 years. USC has the best recruits in the country coming in almost every year. They keep screwing up when they shouldn't.

Teams that win have winning systems that everyone buys into. recruiting is a big part of being competitive but it's not how you win football games.
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LSU is good for a lot of reasons. The fact that they have a slightly better than average recruiting pool isn't one of them. They have been well coached well prepared and they function as a team.

Alabama has great recruits, they haven't done squat in 20 years. USC has the best recruits in the country coming in almost every year. They keep screwing up when they shouldn't.

Teams that win have winning systems that everyone buys into. recruiting is a big part of being competitive but it's not how you win football games.
You're shifting the argument.


My point was never that LSU is good because they have good recruits, but that you Les has an advantage in recruiting at LSU because of the unique nature of only having 1 major football program in the state. I never said that's why LSU was good. I'm bringing the fact to the table that Les is at a very easy place to recruit at.
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You're shifting the argument.


My point was never that LSU is good because they have good recruits, but that you Les has an advantage in recruiting at LSU because of the unique nature of only having 1 major football program in the state. I never said that's why LSU was good. I'm bringing the fact to the table that Les is at a very easy place to recruit at.
It an advantage just like the advantage Florida has being in the state of Florida with hundreds of D-1 athletes.... Everyone has some sort of advantage. Yours is that you are in a state with GOBS of athletes. Arkansas has this advantage in that for some reason once every few years there is one Athlete in state that is arguably the best in the nation. Out of nowhere.... that and Arkansas is the cradle of great coaches.

LSU has a small advantage but I don't think that makes up for the advantages that Florida has, or that USC has or that texas has. LSU still doesn't have access to the athletes Florida does. And don't get near as many shots. One or two athletes could make or break a lot of schools recruiting classes. While LSU isn't in that boat because they can recruit out of state as well, if they couldn't one or two athletes out of Louisiana that they don't get COULD break their class.
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