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Old 07-31-2009, 11:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Interesting perspective from the AJC:

Coaches should not be judged on national championships | Mr. College Football

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I don't think a coach is necessarily defined by winning a NC; because there are the players to consider in any ranking of a coach. I'd say if a coach consistently has Top 10 classes, and doesn't win a NC, then that might be something to be critical of.

Some schools with very fine coaches just won't ever win a NC, because they won't ever have the players to accomplish the feat. That doesn't make them lesser coaches; because if they were with a program that did have the best athletes, they'd likely take them to the big game sooner or later. A coach can only do so much with what he has at his disposal. If the players don't have the potential to be great, they just don't have it.

What I've found particularly interesting as we've discussed coaches for the last couple of weeks, and not a little contradictory too, is that the same people who seem to think one coach is washed up for not making contenders out of a team with good talent, don't hold their own coach who has great talent to the same standard.

If one coach is to be held responsible because he can't make a 10-win team out of 7 or 8-win players; then surely another coach who has 10-win players should be held responsible for not being able to make NC's out of them.

In other words, it seems awfully hypocritical to say a coach is washed up because he can't challenge for SEC titles, when the classes the school can bring in usually rank anywhere from 12th to 25th; but then turn around and say that it's not your own coach's fault that he hasn't won a NC, when the athletes his school brings in are always ranked in the Top 10.

There are probably at least 20 or 30 coaches with the ability to win a NC; but nowhere near 20 will win one, because they simply don't and won't ever have the players to do it.
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I don't think a coach is necessarily defined by winning a NC; because there are the players to consider in any ranking of a coach. I'd say if a coach consistently has Top 10 classes, and doesn't win a NC, then that might be something to be critical of.

Some schools with very fine coaches just won't ever win a NC, because they won't ever have the players to accomplish the feat. That doesn't make them lesser coaches; because if they were with a program that did have the best athletes, they'd likely take them to the big game sooner or later. A coach can only do so much with what he has at his disposal. If the players don't have the potential to be great, they just don't have it.

What I've found particularly interesting as we've discussed coaches for the last couple of weeks, and not a little contradictory too, is that the same people who seem to think one coach is washed up for not making contenders out of a team with good talent, don't hold their own coach who has great talent to the same standard.

If one coach is to be held responsible because he can't make a 10-win team out of 7 or 8-win players; then surely another coach who has 10-win players should be held responsible for not being able to make NC's out of them.

In other words, it seems awfully hypocritical to say a coach is washed up because he can't challenge for SEC titles, when the classes the school can bring in usually rank anywhere from 12th to 25th; but then turn around and say that it's not your own coach's fault that he hasn't won a NC, when the athletes his school brings in are always ranked in the Top 10.

There are probably at least 20 or 30 coaches with the ability to win a NC; but nowhere near 20 will win one, because they simply don't and won't ever have the players to do it.
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I stopped reading when I got to this:

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maybe you should read the article and then comment.
I did... I've heard all those things before. Means nothing to me, because the same coach we're talking about hasn't won the ones he can control, either. 2 SEC titles in 8 years ain't impressive for a guy with Top 5 or Top 10 classes every year. And, like the article says, all you can do is win your conference and hope you get the nod for the NCG. Well, if you've only won your conference twice, you've only had 2 realistic chances to go the NCG. And, that's where what I said makes sense.
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I did... I've heard all those things before. Means nothing to me, because the same coach we're talking about hasn't won the ones he can control, either. 2 SEC titles in 8 years ain't impressive for a guy with Top 5 or Top 10 classes every year. And, like the article says, all you can do is win your conference and hope you get the nod for the NCG. Well, if you've only won your conference twice, you've only had 2 realistic chances to go the NCG. And, that's where what I said makes sense.
UGA should have played for the NC in 2007.

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I did... I've heard all those things before. Means nothing to me, because the same coach we're talking about hasn't won the ones he can control, either. 2 SEC titles in 8 years ain't impressive for a guy with Top 5 or Top 10 classes every year. And, like the article says, all you can do is win your conference and hope you get the nod for the NCG.



We've won or tied for 1st place in the Eastern division 4 times in the past 8. If you think that isn't impressive, it's just because you don't want it to be. Now play with Urban's balls and tell him how great Florida is.
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I don't think a coach is necessarily defined by winning a NC; because there are the players to consider in any ranking of a coach. I'd say if a coach consistently has Top 10 classes, and doesn't win a NC, then that might be something to be critical of.

Some schools with very fine coaches just won't ever win a NC, because they won't ever have the players to accomplish the feat. That doesn't make them lesser coaches; because if they were with a program that did have the best athletes, they'd likely take them to the big game sooner or later. A coach can only do so much with what he has at his disposal. If the players don't have the potential to be great, they just don't have it.

What I've found particularly interesting as we've discussed coaches for the last couple of weeks, and not a little contradictory too, is that the same people who seem to think one coach is washed up for not making contenders out of a team with good talent, don't hold their own coach who has great talent to the same standard.

If one coach is to be held responsible because he can't make a 10-win team out of 7 or 8-win players; then surely another coach who has 10-win players should be held responsible for not being able to make NC's out of them.

In other words, it seems awfully hypocritical to say a coach is washed up because he can't challenge for SEC titles, when the classes the school can bring in usually rank anywhere from 12th to 25th; but then turn around and say that it's not your own coach's fault that he hasn't won a NC, when the athletes his school brings in are always ranked in the Top 10.

There are probably at least 20 or 30 coaches with the ability to win a NC; but nowhere near 20 will win one, because they simply don't and won't ever have the players to do it.


This is such a freaking stupid post I don't know where to begin. YES, you CAN say a coach is washed up when he can't contend for SEC titles when he used to own the conference. You CANNOT say the same thing about a coach because he hasn't won a national title, that is just 100% retarded, and one of the dumbest things you've said yet (that's a quickly growing list).
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We've won or tied for 1st place in the Eastern division 4 times in the past 8. If you think that isn't impressive, it's just because you don't want it to be. Now play with Urban's balls and tell him how great Florida is.
Only a loser would claim ties for division titles... that's about as lame a thing as I've ever heard; especially from a fan of a program that once showed so much pride. The winner of a division is the team that goes to the SEC Championship game... period. I never thought I'd see the day when a Dawg fan would be claiming ties for the East division lead when they weren't the team representing the East in the SECCG. How sad and utterly pathetic.
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UGA should have played for the NC in 2007.
Why is that? They didn't even make the SECCG.
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Only a loser would claim ties for division titles... that's about as lame a thing as I've ever heard; especially from a fan of a program that once showed so much pride. The winner of a division is the team that goes to the SEC Championship game... period. I never thought I'd see the day when a Dawg fan would be claiming ties for the East division lead when they weren't the team representing the East in the SECCG. How sad and utterly pathetic.
and they won the east 3 times in the past 8 years thats almost half. how many times has UF won the east in those same 8 years? CASE CLOSED
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Why is that? They didn't even make the SECCG.
Suddenly that's the measuring stick for a team to play in the NCG?

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