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Old 11-15-2009, 09:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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The Gators have had several seasons with the SEC/NC on the line. In not one of those seasons have I been more unsure/doubtful about this team this far into the season. I know losing Percy and Murphy was a hit...as was losing Moore and Debose prior to the season. But this team just isn't getting any better...Addazio continues to call games as if he's protecting a lead. This team is good enough to win it all...heck, if the offense was hitting on all cylinders, I don't think we play a close game through 14 games. But Addazio has bred doubt into this team with his lack of insight...you can tell by the look on Tebow's face...he's not excited...he's not jumping around when he makes a big play or when another team mate makes a big play....it's more like "wheww....glad that happened."

Also, I think losing Mullen hurt us more than me or anyone else realized. Mullen's offensive play-calling was questionable at times as well, but he's a great QB coach. Our new QB coach was suppose to be as good or better. However, Tim is holding the ball longer...he missed two deep throws yesterday that were sure TDs...both to Cooper...both overthrown. Tebow's mechanics are also as bad as I've seen in his nearly 4 years at UF. He takes longer to get the ball off than any other time in his career. For the first time in Tebow's tenure...he looks tentative. I don't know what's going on.

Moving the OL around was effective vs UGA...however, our smart OL coach...who's also our OC, moved everyone back for the Vandy game and Tebow got chased around all night. Last night vs USC, the OL scheme used against UGA was once more in place and Tebow was only sacked twice, and both times was his fault for holding onto the ball so long.

Am I wrong to have doubts about this team?? Have they improved? The defense is nasty...there's no doubts there....as good as USC looked offensively in the first half, they didn't even have 80 yds in the second. The defense is gonna be there...if the offense could get their shiat together...we would be unbeatable. But through the first 10 games, it doesn't seem to be happening. I just get a feeling that I'm going to look back at this season as "a season that could've been".

Am I being a "negative nellie"?? Should I just accept that this is how we're gonna play and as long as we keep winning I should enjoy it??


DISCLAIMER: It's a shame I have to do this on our own board, but this thread is for serious discussion, no BS, please.
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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I will say this, I love Tim Tebow and I wouldn't want any other QB back there to lead THIS team but, he just isn't very good at reading defense's and that has been a big problem this year!

I do not think it's all his fault. He's just being asked to be a QB that he's not and also the OL problems have been an issue.

If they will allow him to be Tebow again, this team will win another National Championship.

As a friend of mine pointed out to me........

I think losing Andre Debose this off-season really threw a wrench in their offensive plans.

He's most certainly not Percy Harvin but, Debose is the type of player defense's would have had to account for and Florida just simply doesn't have that guy this year.

This is why it's very important for Tebow to start spreading the ball around to guys like Thompson, Hines, Hammond and Nelson.

If he will start doing that, this offense will be very hard to stop or slow down because, of the dynamic running game Florida has had this year.
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:35 PM   #3 (permalink)
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On the bright side at least SC fans wont be bitching about the officials all week.
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I think it's all due to the OL... losing 2 starting senior tackles has really caused some serious problems. I rarely see a case of Tebow not reading a play properly, and just not seeing a WR... what I see is that by the time he wants to throw to anybody deeper than 20 yards, more often than not, he's running for his life. It's not that he isn't throwing to the open guy; he CAN'T throw to the open guy. That's why I'd like to see more roll out pass plays, and more quick slants. That slant to Coop worked perfectly yesterday, and you could tell USC wasn't expecting it, because we haven't run it all year. If you can't adequately protect your QB, those quick pass plays like that can be a savior to your offense, and a killer to an aggressive defense. But, as usual, once Addazio finds something that works really well, he turns around and throws the play right in the trash, and we never see it again.

I would also point out that Coop dropped 2 sure TD's on deep pass plays that he should have caught, but didn't because of a lack of effort... all he had to do was lay out on either one. Hell, on the second one, he didn't even need to dive for it; he just needed to extend his da*n arms all the way and he'd have caught it... the pass was perfect.
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I think it's all due to the OL... losing 2 starting senior tackles has really caused some serious problems. I rarely see a case of Tebow not reading a play properly, and just not seeing a WR... what I see is that by the time he wants to throw to anybody deeper than 20 yards, more often than not, he's running for his life. It's not that he isn't throwing to the open guy; he CAN'T throw to the open guy. That's why I'd like to see more roll out pass plays, and more quick slants. That slant to Coop worked perfectly yesterday, and you could tell USC wasn't expecting it, because we haven't run it all year. If you can't adequately protect your QB, those quick pass plays like that can be a savior to your offense, and a killer to an aggressive defense. But, as usual, once Addazio finds something that works really well, he turns around and throws the play right in the trash, and we never see it again.

I would also point out that Coop dropped 2 sure TD's on deep pass plays that he should have caught, but didn't because of a lack of effort... all he had to do was lay out on either one. Hell, on the second one, he didn't even need to dive for it; he just needed to extend his da*n arms all the way and he'd have caught it... the pass was perfect.
I agree...I was on Tebow for overthrowing Coop...but after watching the SunSports footage...you're right. If Coop would've laid out on the first, he'd a had it...and the second, Coop looks to have "let up" a bit...heck, if he'd just reached a little more, the ball was over his shoulder...both were good throws...my bad.

Also, I wonder how many yds of Brandon James returns have been called back for BIB calls...
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I agree...I was on Tebow for overthrowing Coop...but after watching the SunSports footage...you're right. If Coop would've laid out on the first, he'd a had it...and the second, Coop looks to have "let up" a bit...heck, if he'd just reached a little more, the ball was over his shoulder...both were good throws...my bad.

Also, I wonder how many yds of Brandon James returns have been called back for BIB calls...
I don't know, but I wish they'd put that "James as RB" experiment to bed... he's not big enough to run it, and Rainey and Demps, who are bigger, are easily as shifty and quick, if not more so. I like James going out for an occasional pass play; but please stop handing the ball off to him.

As for his PR-ing, most teams have avoided kicking it right to him. They finally learned their lesson; they're kicking it out of bounds, short, and rugby style... whatever it takes to avoid letting him get a good return.
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Speaking of plays that work perfectly and get thrown away....
WTF happened to the inside shovel pass to Hernandez? That one is a serious gem that we've only used twice all year- and it was in the same game.

I keep telling myself that Addazio has a post-season playbook that is seperate from the current one. A playbook that he doesn't want to open yet because we're so ridiculously confident in our defense. It's possible.....right?

I won't pretend to know better than our coaches do, but I'm having trouble believing that our receivers are actually that bad. It's more likely on our offensive line, but still... the best I can say is that the coaches KNOW something isn't right and I have no doubt that they're making every possible effort they can to fix it.
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I think it's all due to the OL... losing 2 starting senior tackles has really caused some serious problems. I rarely see a case of Tebow not reading a play properly, and just not seeing a WR... what I see is that by the time he wants to throw to anybody deeper than 20 yards, more often than not, he's running for his life. It's not that he isn't throwing to the open guy; he CAN'T throw to the open guy. That's why I'd like to see more roll out pass plays, and more quick slants. That slant to Coop worked perfectly yesterday, and you could tell USC wasn't expecting it, because we haven't run it all year. If you can't adequately protect your QB, those quick pass plays like that can be a savior to your offense, and a killer to an aggressive defense. But, as usual, once Addazio finds something that works really well, he turns around and throws the play right in the trash, and we never see it again.

I would also point out that Coop dropped 2 sure TD's on deep pass plays that he should have caught, but didn't because of a lack of effort... all he had to do was lay out on either one. Hell, on the second one, he didn't even need to dive for it; he just needed to extend his da*n arms all the way and he'd have caught it... the pass was perfect.
I agree that the OL hasn't played well overall but, Tebow isn't helping them out at times either. He's holding the ball way to long at times and like a friend of mine said to me, that ball has got to be gone in 3 to 4 seconds or run it.

When he goes back to pass and does his check downs, the defense has already closed in on Tim's last option when that player should have the ball a few seconds before that. No player is going to make the perfect read every time but, Tim is making to many mistakes with that and I think it has hurt his confidence.

Coach Meyer is a GREAT HC and The University Of Florida is blessed to have him but, in my opinion he needs to let Tebow be who he is, that's a QB that beats a team with his arm when he has to and just make plays.

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I don't know if it has anything to do with it or not, but Tebow just seems a lil "slower" in his decision making ever since the concussion.At the first of the year he played very well and made smart decisions.I feel like he's holding back a little bit or maybe it's something worse...I have never had a concussion so I don't know how it effects the brain.All this may sound crazy to you guys, just an outsiders opinion on things.
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I don't know if it has anything to do with it or not, but Tebow just seems a lil "slower" in his decision making ever since the concussion.At the first of the year he played very well and made smart decisions.I feel like he's holding back a little bit or maybe it's something worse...I have never had a concussion so I don't know how it effects the brain.All this may sound crazy to you guys, just an outsiders opinion on things.
That could be it.. but I think having Steve Addazio as the O-Coordinator is the "blame" for any Tebow shortcomings. They are still undefeated, so it's not like it matters anyway.
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Maybe Addazio is getting a little better as an OC but, he still needs to put Tebow in better situations.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:20 PM   #12 (permalink)
 
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My theory on this is simple. First off, the coaching staff has little faith in our WR core. This has filtered through to Tebow as he rarely if ever throws to a WR other than Cooper and Hernandez. When we line up 5 wide, its Cooper, Nelson, Hernandez, and 2 of Rainey/Demps/James/Moody. Yes, I have seen all of them lined up on the outside. My guess is this is to see who gets a CB/S and move them to the backfield to see how the D reacts. Regardless, when the ball is snapped, we dont have enough playmakers as WR on the field. I saw Hines catch a ball this weekend. I think it was his first reception from Tebow. He only saw action in the first two gimmie games, with the second stringers. Why? Where are the young WRs, why arent we playing them?

Second, Tebow has regressed as a QB. He's not making good reads, hes holding on to the ball too long, hes not playing smart. The OL has been shaky at best, but Tebow hasn't been sharp. He's not reading blitz packages well. He is being ultra conservative and not letting the ball go.

Finally, the play calling has been so conservative it makes George W.'s presidency look liberal. I guess the theory is ball control and relying on the defense. I've seen glimpses of brilliance with the offense. Problem is that its just a glimpse, then its back to Tebow Dive/Smash. Maybe they are saving something new for the real season. The SEC CG aka The NCG Play-In, and hopefully the NCG.
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:28 PM   #13 (permalink)
 
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I never want to mess with Tebow but in my heart I would love to see Tebow and Brantley play. You know like 2006 with more plays for Tebow than Brantley.
I also know Meyer really does not want to do that but it happen to Leak.

There is not doubt Tebow is the best but even the best need help!!!!!!

I want to be honest I feel Brantley got a raw deal at LSU . Just imagine if you prepared to be the starter and was let down!!! I still think Tebow is pushing way too much!!!
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:47 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I don't think you have anything to worry about Florida fans. Come big game time.(2 post season games) tebow will have his team ready to go to beat bama and go on to win the NC. I wouldn't be worried about style points. But that's just my opinion
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