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Given High Fives: 434 Rep Power: 1241 | | Auburn/Alabama through the decades By Friday night, Auburn will finish the first ten years of the new millenium either 8-2 or 7-3 against it's arch foe and will be able to plant it's orange and blue flag on the decade known as the 'O's. Although there's a real chance of finishing out 0-2, Auburn fans can excuse this by saying that the law of averages caught up with them. Alabama fans will say that Saban is in charge now and that this is what Tigers can look forward to for the next ten years. Regardless, a new dawn will be upon us and it'll all be up for grabs again in the Iron Bowl for the new decade from 2010-2019.
Most teams tend to analyze their big rivalries by the decade, but it's a bit harder for Auburn and Alabama fans for two reasons:
1) the 41-year stoppage of play between 1907 and 1948
2) the long shadow cast over the series by Bear Bryant.
The tendency, even for Auburn fans, is to want to break it into three parts: before Bear, during, and after. But there's more to it than just one man's imprint. Even the scarcity of games played before the breakup had their own dynamic, as well as did the three decades following the tenure of arguably the greatest football coach ever. The idea of a 25-year coach is an anachronism today, much like the leather football helmet, and I doubt that we'll ever again compare rivalries in CFB solely by the span of a coach's career. 1892 - 1907: Auburn, 7-4-1. A little over a decade, but a convenient place to stop before the Dark Years--the stoppage of play for 41 seasons. The only tie in the series came that last year, 1907, and probably helped fuel some of the discontent that led to the stoppage. The fact that we played two games in Tuscaloosa during this time, four in Montgomery and the rest in Birmingham was probably the primary reason. Little else can be gleaned from this period other than the record. Football was still in it's infacy, but it was being played. Both teams were still members of the SIAA and Auburn even won a conference crown in 1900. 1908-1947: The Dark Years. No games played. During this time, Alabama and Auburn remained in the same conferences, both leaping from the SIAA in 1922 to help found the Southern Conference. Alabama had five Rose Bowl appearances in the 1920s and 30s, putting southern football on the map and becoming a premier team outside the northeast and midwest. Both teams defected again from the Southern conference to start the Southeastern Conference in 1933. During this four-decade long interval, Auburn captured two SIAA conference championships and one Southern crown. Alabama racked up four Southern conference and five SEC crowns 1948-49: Tie, 2-2. Shouldn't really count for much, as the series began again for the 1948 season. That game is most notable for the 55-0 beating that Auburn took from the Tide, the largest margin of victory in the series. The decade of the 1940s, marred by many teams not fielding squads because of the war, had little of consequence for both teams. Auburn achieved no conference crowns but Alabama had one in 1945, one of Frank Thomas' last teams that went 10-0. 1950-1959: Tie, 5-5.Auburn outscored the Tide by an average of 16-12 during this decade, which was marked by the arrival of Paul Bryant for the 1958 season. Shug himself assumed head coaching duties on the Plains in 1951. Auburn won it;s first SEC title and only national title in 1957. Alabama itself won a conference title in 1953. 1960-1969: Alabama, 8-2. Alabama, under Bryant, used this decade to establish themselves as one of the dominant programs in CFB. They outscored Auburn by an average 22-10. Auburn won no conference titles in the 1960s, but Alabama won four SEC crowns and three legitimate national titles during this time, the first half of a two-decade long stretch of dominance by the Tide. 1970-1979: Alabama, 8-2. Alabama continued to roll under Bryant, who saw Shug retire after the '75 season. Bama outscored the Tigers 30-13 during the decade, which started out 2-1 for the Tigers, but ended with seven straight losses. Probably the 'dark' years for Auburn during the series, the Tigers won no conference titles. Alabama won or shared eight, along with three more national titles for Bryant. Definitely the most dominating decade by the Tide over their arch rival. 1980-1989: Auburn, 6-4. The decade that saw the final vestiges of the Bear and a new era ushered in for Auburn. After losing the first two games in the 80s to bring the streak to nine, the Tigers finally gave Bryant a retirement gift, a loss in his final Iron Bowl. The series went back and forth with two games apiece before Auburn finally won the last four of the decade. The average score was tied, 19-19. Auburn won or shared four SEC titles during this time while Alabama had two. 1990-1999: Alabama, 7-3. Bama rebounded in 1990, under the steady hand of Gene Stallings, who gave the Tide coaching stability for a brief interval. Dye was gone after 1992, and a new conference championship system was brought in with divisional play, ensuring no more split titles. Alabama was dominant in the early part of the 90s, while Auburn had some success under Terry Bowden's brief span. Alabama won two outright SEC crowns and won their 7th legitimate national title in 1992. Alabama outscored Auburn on average 21-16. 2000-2008: Auburn, 7-2. Under Tommy Tuberville, Auburn had success early and often, building a six game streak against Alabama for the first time ever. Alabama suffered it's worst coaching upheaval ever during this period, but felt they righted the ship under Nick Saban. The average score was again dead even, 17-17. In 2004, Auburn won it's first SEC title since conference realignment, but Alabama has yet to win an SEC crown, which could mark the first decade in 80 years that they have failed to do so. They'll get a chance to do that in Atlanta on December 5th.
There's no disputing Alabama's conference and national championships. They certainly outclass us in that department and there is no dispute, However, to hear their average fan tell it, they should dominate us in every aspect. But they don't. Not on the field, when we play one on one. For all their historic accomplishments, they only bat 54% when it comes to playing us. That equals a losing percentage of 46%. There's no other bitter, contested intrastate rivalry in CFB that's this close. That's why they loathe us so much--because they can't shake us. For all that the Bear did for them , they still had a losing record against us before he showed up and a losing record since he left. What does that mean in relation to the rest of their accolades? That's something that only Alabama can answer. But the day when we finally pass them again in the all-time series record will be a day of reckoning: How can you be the best team in all of CFB if you're only the second best team in your state?
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11-23-2009, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by The Fishonater By Friday night, Auburn will finish the first ten years of the new millenium either 8-2 or 7-3 against it's arch foe and will be able to plant it's orange and blue flag on the decade known as the 'O's. Although there's a real chance of finishing out 0-2, Auburn fans can excuse this by saying that the law of averages caught up with them. Alabama fans will say that Saban is in charge now and that this is what Tigers can look forward to for the next ten years. Regardless, a new dawn will be upon us and it'll all be up for grabs again in the Iron Bowl for the new decade from 2010-2019.
Most teams tend to analyze their big rivalries by the decade, but it's a bit harder for Auburn and Alabama fans for two reasons:
1) the 41-year stoppage of play between 1907 and 1948
2) the long shadow cast over the series by Bear Bryant.
The tendency, even for Auburn fans, is to want to break it into three parts: before Bear, during, and after. But there's more to it than just one man's imprint. Even the scarcity of games played before the breakup had their own dynamic, as well as did the three decades following the tenure of arguably the greatest football coach ever. The idea of a 25-year coach is an anachronism today, much like the leather football helmet, and I doubt that we'll ever again compare rivalries in CFB solely by the span of a coach's career. 1892 - 1907: Auburn, 7-4-1. A little over a decade, but a convenient place to stop before the Dark Years--the stoppage of play for 41 seasons. The only tie in the series came that last year, 1907, and probably helped fuel some of the discontent that led to the stoppage. The fact that we played two games in Tuscaloosa during this time, four in Montgomery and the rest in Birmingham was probably the primary reason. Little else can be gleaned from this period other than the record. Football was still in it's infacy, but it was being played. Both teams were still members of the SIAA and Auburn even won a conference crown in 1900. 1908-1947: The Dark Years. No games played. During this time, Alabama and Auburn remained in the same conferences, both leaping from the SIAA in 1922 to help found the Southern Conference. Alabama had five Rose Bowl appearances in the 1920s and 30s, putting southern football on the map and becoming a premier team outside the northeast and midwest. Both teams defected again from the Southern conference to start the Southeastern Conference in 1933. During this four-decade long interval, Auburn captured two SIAA conference championships and one Southern crown. Alabama racked up four Southern conference and five SEC crowns 1948-49: Tie, 2-2. Shouldn't really count for much, as the series began again for the 1948 season. That game is most notable for the 55-0 beating that Auburn took from the Tide, the largest margin of victory in the series. The decade of the 1940s, marred by many teams not fielding squads because of the war, had little of consequence for both teams. Auburn achieved no conference crowns but Alabama had one in 1945, one of Frank Thomas' last teams that went 10-0. 1950-1959: Tie, 5-5.Auburn outscored the Tide by an average of 16-12 during this decade, which was marked by the arrival of Paul Bryant for the 1958 season. Shug himself assumed head coaching duties on the Plains in 1951. Auburn won it;s first SEC title and only national title in 1957. Alabama itself won a conference title in 1953. 1960-1969: Alabama, 8-2. Alabama, under Bryant, used this decade to establish themselves as one of the dominant programs in CFB. They outscored Auburn by an average 22-10. Auburn won no conference titles in the 1960s, but Alabama won four SEC crowns and three legitimate national titles during this time, the first half of a two-decade long stretch of dominance by the Tide. 1970-1979: Alabama, 8-2. Alabama continued to roll under Bryant, who saw Shug retire after the '75 season. Bama outscored the Tigers 30-13 during the decade, which started out 2-1 for the Tigers, but ended with seven straight losses. Probably the 'dark' years for Auburn during the series, the Tigers won no conference titles. Alabama won or shared eight, along with three more national titles for Bryant. Definitely the most dominating decade by the Tide over their arch rival. 1980-1989: Auburn, 6-4. The decade that saw the final vestiges of the Bear and a new era ushered in for Auburn. After losing the first two games in the 80s to bring the streak to nine, the Tigers finally gave Bryant a retirement gift, a loss in his final Iron Bowl. The series went back and forth with two games apiece before Auburn finally won the last four of the decade. The average score was tied, 19-19. Auburn won or shared four SEC titles during this time while Alabama had two. 1990-1999: Alabama, 7-3. Bama rebounded in 1990, under the steady hand of Gene Stallings, who gave the Tide coaching stability for a brief interval. Dye was gone after 1992, and a new conference championship system was brought in with divisional play, ensuring no more split titles. Alabama was dominant in the early part of the 90s, while Auburn had some success under Terry Bowden's brief span. Alabama won two outright SEC crowns and won their 7th legitimate national title in 1992. Alabama outscored Auburn on average 21-16. 2000-2008: Auburn, 7-2. Under Tommy Tuberville, Auburn had success early and often, building a six game streak against Alabama for the first time ever. Alabama suffered it's worst coaching upheaval ever during this period, but felt they righted the ship under Nick Saban. The average score was again dead even, 17-17. In 2004, Auburn won it's first SEC title since conference realignment, but Alabama has yet to win an SEC crown, which could mark the first decade in 80 years that they have failed to do so. They'll get a chance to do that in Atlanta on December 5th.
There's no disputing Alabama's conference and national championships. They certainly outclass us in that department and there is no dispute, However, to hear their average fan tell it, they should dominate us in every aspect. But they don't. Not on the field, when we play one on one. For all their historic accomplishments, they only bat 54% when it comes to playing us. That equals a losing percentage of 46%. There's no other bitter, contested intrastate rivalry in CFB that's this close. That's why they loathe us so much--because they can't shake us. For all that the Bear did for them , they still had a losing record against us before he showed up and a losing record since he left. What does that mean in relation to the rest of their accolades? That's something that only Alabama can answer. But the day when we finally pass them again in the all-time series record will be a day of reckoning: How can you be the best team in all of CFB if you're only the second best team in your state?
By: War Eagle Atlanta | Great read. I love having Bama as our rival. It's always great to be the underdog of the two, to have such a mighty opponent. It's more fun if they are the big guys, and we give em hell. | | | | |
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Originally Posted by The Fishonater By Friday night, Auburn will finish the first ten years of the new millenium either 8-2 or 7-3 against it's arch foe and will be able to plant it's orange and blue flag on the decade known as the 'O's. Although there's a real chance of finishing out 0-2, Auburn fans can excuse this by saying that the law of averages caught up with them. Alabama fans will say that Saban is in charge now and that this is what Tigers can look forward to for the next ten years. Regardless, a new dawn will be upon us and it'll all be up for grabs again in the Iron Bowl for the new decade from 2010-2019.
Most teams tend to analyze their big rivalries by the decade, but it's a bit harder for Auburn and Alabama fans for two reasons:
1) the 41-year stoppage of play between 1907 and 1948
2) the long shadow cast over the series by Bear Bryant.
The tendency, even for Auburn fans, is to want to break it into three parts: before Bear, during, and after. But there's more to it than just one man's imprint. Even the scarcity of games played before the breakup had their own dynamic, as well as did the three decades following the tenure of arguably the greatest football coach ever. The idea of a 25-year coach is an anachronism today, much like the leather football helmet, and I doubt that we'll ever again compare rivalries in CFB solely by the span of a coach's career. 1892 - 1907: Auburn, 7-4-1. A little over a decade, but a convenient place to stop before the Dark Years--the stoppage of play for 41 seasons. The only tie in the series came that last year, 1907, and probably helped fuel some of the discontent that led to the stoppage. The fact that we played two games in Tuscaloosa during this time, four in Montgomery and the rest in Birmingham was probably the primary reason. Little else can be gleaned from this period other than the record. Football was still in it's infacy, but it was being played. Both teams were still members of the SIAA and Auburn even won a conference crown in 1900. 1908-1947: The Dark Years. No games played. During this time, Alabama and Auburn remained in the same conferences, both leaping from the SIAA in 1922 to help found the Southern Conference. Alabama had five Rose Bowl appearances in the 1920s and 30s, putting southern football on the map and becoming a premier team outside the northeast and midwest. Both teams defected again from the Southern conference to start the Southeastern Conference in 1933. During this four-decade long interval, Auburn captured two SIAA conference championships and one Southern crown. Alabama racked up four Southern conference and five SEC crowns 1948-49: Tie, 2-2. Shouldn't really count for much, as the series began again for the 1948 season. That game is most notable for the 55-0 beating that Auburn took from the Tide, the largest margin of victory in the series. The decade of the 1940s, marred by many teams not fielding squads because of the war, had little of consequence for both teams. Auburn achieved no conference crowns but Alabama had one in 1945, one of Frank Thomas' last teams that went 10-0. 1950-1959: Tie, 5-5.Auburn outscored the Tide by an average of 16-12 during this decade, which was marked by the arrival of Paul Bryant for the 1958 season. Shug himself assumed head coaching duties on the Plains in 1951. Auburn won it;s first SEC title and only national title in 1957. Alabama itself won a conference title in 1953. 1960-1969: Alabama, 8-2. Alabama, under Bryant, used this decade to establish themselves as one of the dominant programs in CFB. They outscored Auburn by an average 22-10. Auburn won no conference titles in the 1960s, but Alabama won four SEC crowns and three legitimate national titles during this time, the first half of a two-decade long stretch of dominance by the Tide. 1970-1979: Alabama, 8-2. Alabama continued to roll under Bryant, who saw Shug retire after the '75 season. Bama outscored the Tigers 30-13 during the decade, which started out 2-1 for the Tigers, but ended with seven straight losses. Probably the 'dark' years for Auburn during the series, the Tigers won no conference titles. Alabama won or shared eight, along with three more national titles for Bryant. Definitely the most dominating decade by the Tide over their arch rival. 1980-1989: Auburn, 6-4. The decade that saw the final vestiges of the Bear and a new era ushered in for Auburn. After losing the first two games in the 80s to bring the streak to nine, the Tigers finally gave Bryant a retirement gift, a loss in his final Iron Bowl. The series went back and forth with two games apiece before Auburn finally won the last four of the decade. The average score was tied, 19-19. Auburn won or shared four SEC titles during this time while Alabama had two. 1990-1999: Alabama, 7-3. Bama rebounded in 1990, under the steady hand of Gene Stallings, who gave the Tide coaching stability for a brief interval. Dye was gone after 1992, and a new conference championship system was brought in with divisional play, ensuring no more split titles. Alabama was dominant in the early part of the 90s, while Auburn had some success under Terry Bowden's brief span. Alabama won two outright SEC crowns and won their 7th legitimate national title in 1992. Alabama outscored Auburn on average 21-16. 2000-2008: Auburn, 7-2. Under Tommy Tuberville, Auburn had success early and often, building a six game streak against Alabama for the first time ever. Alabama suffered it's worst coaching upheaval ever during this period, but felt they righted the ship under Nick Saban. The average score was again dead even, 17-17. In 2004, Auburn won it's first SEC title since conference realignment, but Alabama has yet to win an SEC crown, which could mark the first decade in 80 years that they have failed to do so. They'll get a chance to do that in Atlanta on December 5th.
There's no disputing Alabama's conference and national championships. They certainly outclass us in that department and there is no dispute, However, to hear their average fan tell it, they should dominate us in every aspect. But they don't. Not on the field, when we play one on one. For all their historic accomplishments, they only bat 54% when it comes to playing us. That equals a losing percentage of 46%. There's no other bitter, contested intrastate rivalry in CFB that's this close. That's why they loathe us so much--because they can't shake us. For all that the Bear did for them , they still had a losing record against us before he showed up and a losing record since he left. What does that mean in relation to the rest of their accolades? That's something that only Alabama can answer. But the day when we finally pass them again in the all-time series record will be a day of reckoning: How can you be the best team in all of CFB if you're only the second best team in your state?
By: War Eagle Atlanta | Well, sure, you take out 25 yrs of a 74-year rivalry, it's gonna skew the results...
I hear Alabama has an undefeated record in Iron Bowls in the years in which kickoff is later than 4 PM, the temp is less than 55 degrees and Christmas falls on a Sunday
I will admit that this is the most hotly contested of Bama's rivalries (pretty even with UT) but Bama does have the edge. All the last few sentences of the article really say is, "Well, you guys own us, but not as much as you think you do". So if that's what you are after, congrats.
Nevertheless, it is a great rivalry with lots of great moments between two good programs. I will concede to the fact that, in terms of overall success, Alabama's program is above and beyond Auburn's, but in terms of the head-to-head battles, it's most always a fight. | MIRACLES HAPPEN! | |