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GeauxTo
07-15-2008, 05:10 PM
Here's an article from the (gasp!) New York Times indicating that much of Obama's extremely high fund raising may have its origins in middle eastern (Muslim) countries...

New York Times
by Maureen Dowd

OBAMA'S TROUBLING INTERNET FUND RAISING

Certainly the most interesting and potentially devastating phone call I have received during this election cycle came this week from one of the Obama's campaign internet geeks. These are the staffers who devised Obama's internet fund raising campaign which raised in the neighborhood of $200 million so far. That is more then twice the total funds raised by any candidate in history and this was all from the internet campaign.

What I learned from this insider was shocking but I guess we shouldn't be surprised that when it comes to fund raising there simply are no rules that can't be broken and no ethics that prevail.

Obama's internet campaign started out innocently enough with basic e-mail networking, lists saved from previous party campaigns and from supporters who visited any of the Obama campaign web sites. Small contributions came in from these sources and the internet campaign staff were more than pleased by the results.

Then, about two months into the campaign the daily contribution intake multiplied. Where was it coming from? One of the web site security monitors began to notice the bulk of the contributions were clearly coming in from overseas internet service providers and at the rate and frequency of transmission it was clear these donations were programmed by a very sophisticated user.

While the security people were not able to track most of the sources due to firewalls and other blocking devices put on these contributions they were able to collate the number of contributions that were coming in seemingly from individuals but the funds were from only a few credit card accounts and bank electronic funds transfers. The internet service providers (ISP) they were able to trace were from Saudi Arabia, Iran, and other Middle Eastern countries. One of the banks used for fund transfers was also located in Saudi Arabia.

Another concentrated group of donations was traced to a Chinese ISP with a similar pattern of limited credit card charges.

It became clear that these donations were very likely coming from sources other than American voters. This was discussed at length within the campaign and the decision was made that none of these donations violated campaign financing laws.

It was also decided that it was not the responsibility of the campaign to audit these millions of contributions as to the actual source (specific credit card number or bank transfer account numbers) to insure that none of these internet contributors exceeded the legal maximum donation on a cumulative basis of many small donations. They also found the record keeping was not complete enough to do it anyway.

This is a shocking revelation.

We have been concerned about the legality of “bundling†contributions after the recent exposure of illegal bundlers but now it appears we may have an even greater problem.

I guess we should have been somewhat suspicious when the numbers started to come out. We were told (no proof offered) that the Obama internet contributions were from $10.00 to $25.00 or so.

If the $200,000,000 is right, and the average contribution was $15.00 that would mean over 13 million individuals made contributions? That would also be 13 million contributions would need to be processed. How did all that happen?

I believe the Obama campaign's internet fund raising needs a serious, in depth investigation and audit. It also appears the whole question of internet fund raising needs investigation by the legislature and perhaps new laws to insure it complies not only with the letter of these laws but the spirit as well.

UKat
07-15-2008, 05:19 PM
Imagine that..............

smfr
07-15-2008, 05:29 PM
WOW! That's crazy stuff. If it's true. I wouldn't doubt it.

Tennessee Ted
07-15-2008, 06:29 PM
Two of the email addresses that funding came from was:

AlQaida@yahoo.com
BinLaden@gmail.com

Zee
07-15-2008, 06:47 PM
this article is fake as hell. no award winning journalist writes like that, plus it's just too far fetched. I don't like Obama either, but this is the work of some smear artist. Weak if you ask me. You don't have to lie to expose his obvious faults.

smfr
07-15-2008, 06:51 PM
Ok now even if it's not true...are you telling me that it's not possible?

bigsexxxy
07-15-2008, 06:52 PM
You're a moron Geaux, no bull. Next time, do a little research before you post. It took me a grand total of two minutes to find this (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp) and this (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/maureendowd/index.html)

Once again, thanks for your drive by contributions.

Zee
07-15-2008, 06:54 PM
I mean I'm sure terrorist groups would love to see Obama elected, but it's far fetched to think that they could fund his campaign and on top of that Obama being careless enough to accept it.

edit: ^ and there ya go

smfr
07-15-2008, 06:58 PM
You're a moron Geaux, no bull. Next time, do a little research before you post. It took me a grand total of two minutes to find this (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp) and this (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/maureendowd/index.html)

Once again, thanks for your drive by contributions.



So your saying that because what this article is claiming would be illegal that it makes it false? Just because Snoops.com says it's false it makes it false? I'm not claiming it's true or false...I'm just saying it's you know just as much as him

smfr
07-15-2008, 07:00 PM
I mean I'm sure terrorist groups would love to see Obama elected, but it's far fetched to think that they could fund his campaign and on top of that Obama being careless enough to accept it.

edit: ^ and there ya go


O no there is no way someone in the gov't would ever accept money from a terriost. Nor would they EVER do something illegal:rofl:

bigsexxxy
07-15-2008, 07:01 PM
So your saying that because what this article is claiming would be illegal that it makes it false? Just because Snoops.com says it's false it makes it false? I'm not claiming it's true or false...I'm just saying it's you know just as much as him

I actually have NO clue what you're trying to say. Read the second link, it's a direct link to Maureen Dowd's columns and this column IS NOT in there. That's all the proof most sane people would need to know that this is bullshit.

But if you want to sit there and convince yourself by saying "Well, it COULD happen!", then that's your right. But as of right now? It ain't happenin'.

JerryBeeds
07-15-2008, 07:03 PM
Maureen Dowd would never stray from leftist dogma.

bigsexxxy
07-15-2008, 07:04 PM
Maureen Dowd would never stray from leftist dogma.

Exactly. Which makes people that believe this even dumber.

smfr
07-15-2008, 09:30 PM
I actually have NO clue what you're trying to say. Read the second link, it's a direct link to Maureen Dowd's columns and this column IS NOT in there. That's all the proof most sane people would need to know that this is bullshit.

But if you want to sit there and convince yourself by saying "Well, it COULD happen!", then that's your right. But as of right now? It ain't happenin'.


Your first link went to snoops.com which said every thing the article said is illegal which makes the story untrue.
And i ain't sitting trying to convince myself it's true. All i'm saying it could happen. To say people in the gov't could do something like this is insane.

Tennessee Ted
07-15-2008, 09:43 PM
This type of posting is what is driving me crazy about this campaign. If you do not like Obama, fine, then do not vote for him. If you do not vote for him I hope it is because you do not like his agenda and prefer McCain. If that is the case, more power to you. What drives me crazy are these silly attacks that have no basis. Are these attacks done because the right realizes their campaign hopes are bleak, so they need to start making crap up?

smfr
07-15-2008, 09:48 PM
I will tell you straight up...I don't like either one totally. I just happen to agree with McCain more and trust him more. Obama ain't ready to lead. This story could have truth or maybe it don't. Fact is NO ONE here truely knows. Obama is bad for this country. Very bad. Mark my word.

D^3
07-16-2008, 12:06 AM
Did you know his middle name is Hussein?

Zappa
07-16-2008, 08:02 AM
Did you know his middle name is Hussein?

Really?Hadn't heard that.Wow!You Dawgs are some intellectual giants.

Zee
07-16-2008, 08:47 AM
Really?Hadn't heard that.Wow!You Dawgs are some intellectual giants.

it's called sarcasm zappa

zartan
07-16-2008, 08:55 AM
if McCain was a Democrat and Obama was the Republican, the ads would look like this:

do you know that John McCain was a prisoner of the Viet Cong for 6 years and was subjected to constant torture and brainwashing by the Vietnamese? do we really want someone in charge who has been surrounded by communists in his formative years?

Zee
07-16-2008, 09:01 AM
if McCain was a Democrat and Obama was the Republican, the ads would look like this:

do you know that John McCain was a prisoner of the Viet Cong for 6 years and was subjected to constant torture and brainwashing by the Vietnamese? do we really want someone in charge who has been surrounded by communists in his formative years?

and on the flip side, the ads would say did you know that Obama is half white, a token black man who is really just a puppet for the neo-cons? (Condi Rice, Powell sound familiar?) His liberal politics are just a ruse, the centerpiece of a masterful conspiracy to soften up relations in the middle east so they can eventually steal oil.

azamugg
07-16-2008, 09:04 AM
Zee wins

Zappa
07-16-2008, 09:17 AM
it's called sarcasm zappaWhich you obviously don't understand.

Zee
07-16-2008, 09:44 AM
oh no, i got that you were being sarcastic, in response to a sarcastic comment which you didn't get...

SeattleGamecocks
07-16-2008, 09:58 AM
my sarcasm is better than both of yourn.

zartan
07-16-2008, 12:56 PM
Zee wins
and good morning to you, Aza.

new forum, new avatar, same old douchebag, eh? well, i know how you Tiders are about tradition...

gatorhater
07-16-2008, 01:35 PM
Your first link went to snoops.com which said every thing the article said is illegal which makes the story untrue.
And i ain't sitting trying to convince myself it's true. All i'm saying it could happen. To say people in the gov't could do something like this is insane.

yes...and tiny monkeys could start flying out of my hiney. but snopes.com checked my tightie-whiteys and it ain't happenin'.

JessJess6713
07-16-2008, 02:17 PM
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh. hahahahahahahahaha
:icon_rofl:icon_rofl:icon_rofl

I have to remember to try to sell you something expensive b/c it looks like you'll buy anything with conservative wrapping paper!

lol