If LSU does not win the West, it will be because of ___?

[zartan]

There has been some ridiculous under-rating of LSU on this board. I keep seeing the current national champions at #17, #19, etc. in people's preseason picks, below other teams that have achieved nothing recently.

Could any of you geniuses elaborate on that?

Hater or homer, can anybody give me a legitimate reason why they won't win the West at the very least?

[gatorunvrsty]

There has been some ridiculous under-rating of LSU on this board. I keep seeing the current national champions at #17, #19, etc. in people's preseason picks, below other teams that have achieved nothing recently.

Could any of you geniuses elaborate on that?

Hater or homer, can anybody give me a legitimate reason why they won't win the West at the very least?

I won't put them that low, but there has been no shortage of explanations why some people do... here are mine:

I just don't think you can realistically expect your team to be as good as it was last year, after losing your starting QB (Flynn), the backup QB and heir apparent (Perrilloux), 2 of the top WR's in the SEC (Doucet, Byrd), a starting RB (Hester), a starting safety (Steltz), and the most dominant defensive player in the country (Dorsey)... not to mention the DC who was responsible for keeping other teams in check the last few years (Pelini). That's the whole NC TEAM, imo, and doesn't even include the bit players lost through graduation. Every guy's name above was called constantly during the season, and they're the ones responsible for virtually every player award LSU garnered last year.

They still have plenty of talent, but talent alone doesn't make a team dominant in our conference... you've got to have experience at almost every position, and lots of it at the skill positions, if you want to be championship caliber.

It's not that I don't think teams starting new QB's won't be good, or that their QB's won't be good; it's that I think any fan of those teams who thinks their team will be JUST as good, with no drop-off, while starting brand new freshman QB's is smoking something. I don't confine it to LSU, either. I don't think Auburn will win as many games as a lot of people are predicting, for many of the same reasons. With AU, it's changes in coaching staff, QB, and offense.

It's a little easier for UF fans to say these things, because we went through a lot of what other teams are about to. In AU's case, we watched how our team struggled the first year with a brand new OC and the spread offense. We won 9 games, but we also had a very experienced QB and team. Since AU doesn't have that experience at QB, I feel like they should win about 8 or 9 games.

With LSU, we watched our team struggle to 9 wins after winning a NC, and graduating most of our leaders on the team, along with our senior QB. We were lucky to get the 9 wins, in large part because of a great QB who Meyer was smart enough to start playing some in his freshman year. LSU has no such QB, so I expect them to do no better than UF did, and probably a game worse. I don't think it's strange to assume that if LSU can lose 2 games last year, with all those seniors and award winners, they could easily lose an extra 2 without them. To assume otherwise is almost like saying the guys they lost weren't that great in the first place... and we all know that's not true.

Freshman QB's And The SEC (http://www.sectalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=57075&highlight=QB%27s)

I simply don't think you can replace all those quality players with rookies, and be as good a team. And, if a team who lost 2 games last year isn't as good this year, then they obviously lose 1 or 2 more games... leaving them with 8 or 9 wins. The main reason is that there's only been 1 rookie QB to ever win the SEC since the league split; and he ended up being the Heisman Trophy winner from Florida... no, not that one... Wuerffel.;)

[JerryBeeds]

Les Miles is the head coach.

[JerryBeeds]

Whats the schedule look like? I'm to lazy to look it up myself.

[gatorunvrsty]

Les Miles is the head coach.

:laugh: Well, there's also that... I didn't want to go there again. Of course, look at a team like Notre Dame. They're loaded with the same caliber talent as LSU, PLUS have a genius head coach that nobody could ever mistake Miles for, and they limped to 3 wins with their rookie QB. And, he was the #1 QB in the class of '07. Also, ND played much weaker competition than LSU will. Of course, nobody expects LSU to lose that many games; but, it is a pretty good look at what the possibilities are with a rookie QB who's trying to learn the college game, and adjust to the huge speed change from high school to the best college players in the nation.

[gatorunvrsty]

Whats the schedule look like? I'm to lazy to look it up myself.

It ain't no walk in the park.

August 30 Appalachian State
September 6 Troy
September 13
September 20 at Auburn
September 27 Mississippi State
October 11 at Florida
October 18 at South Carolina
October 25 Georgia
November 1 Tulane
November 8 Alabama
November 22 Mississippi
November 28 at Arkansas

If their QB walks out of the Swamp under his own power, they should give that kid a purple and yellow heart. Even if he does limp out, he'll be good and beat up going to the grudge game against Darth Visor, after away games at AU and UF.

[Bulldog Bry]

If their QB walks out of the Swamp under his own power, they should give that kid a purple and yellow heart. Even if he does limp out, he'll be good and beat up going to the grudge game against Darth Visor, after away games at AU and UF.

You're pretty high on your defense, huh?

[JerryBeeds]

:laugh: Well, there's also that... I didn't want to go there again. Of course, look at a team like Notre Dame. They're loaded with the same caliber talent as LSU, PLUS have a genius head coach that nobody could ever mistake Miles for, and they limped to 3 wins with their rookie QB. And, he was the #1 QB in the class of '07. Also, ND played much weaker competition than LSU will. Of course, nobody expects LSU to lose that many games; but, it is a pretty good look at what the possibilities are with a rookie QB who's trying to learn the college game, and adjust to the huge speed change from high school to the best college players in the nation.

Sidenote... How the hell do you already have 68 high fives?:headscrat:D

[crimsonnation713]

Sidenote... How the hell do you already have 68 high fives?:headscrat:D

he kisses alotta azz JB :laugh:

[AuburnPawnTiger]

Les Miles is the head coach.

Absolutely could not agsree more. This guy has no clue whats going on. He must be the luckiest SOB alive.

[Nikon]

If LSU does not win the West, it will be because they lost the past and the future of their program to the Draft/booted off team.

I'm really having a harder time giving you a legitimate reason as to how they could possibly win 8 or more games.

They lose 4-5 games easily....

[sheluvsbama]

too much confidence. That is why they will not win it. ;)

[BAMAPERRY]

October 11 at Florida
October 18 at South Carolina
October 25 Georgia

3 game losing streak.

[gatorunvrsty]

You're pretty high on your defense, huh?

Nope... but, I also don't have much trouble visualizing Carlos Dunlap turning either "High School" or "Harvard" into a pretzel. Lee is 195 lbs. soaking wet, and I can guarantee you that Hatch never had an angry 6'6" 290 lb DE trying to teach him the laws of physics by forcing him into the ground head first, while he was in the Ivy League.:D

[gatorunvrsty]

he kisses alotta azz JB :laugh:

Nah, I'm an equal-opportunity hater. I piss off everybody equally, and get high fives from their rivals.;)

[crawfish]

If LSU does not win the West, it will be because of GLOBAL WARMING?

http://www.foxnews.com/foxfan/images/global_warming_logo_130.jpg


HEY! JUST AS GOOD A REASON AS ANY I'VE HEARD ON THIS BOARD! :laugh:


http://www.futureenergy.org/piclogoclimatechangeOZ.jpg

[Bulldog Bry]

Nope... but, I also don't have much trouble visualizing Carlos Dunlap turning either "High School" or "Harvard" into a pretzel. Lee is 195 lbs. soaking wet, and I can guarantee you that Hatch never had an angry 6'6" 290 lb DE trying to teach him the laws of physics by forcing him into the ground head first, while he was in the Ivy League.:D

Fair enough and thanks for the visual.

No, wait........haven't you heard? <insert Lee or Hatch> is the second coming!!

[ColonelKurtz]

There has been some ridiculous under-rating of LSU on this board. I keep seeing the current national champions at #17, #19, etc. in people's preseason picks, below other teams that have achieved nothing recently.

Could any of you geniuses elaborate on that?

Hater or homer, can anybody give me a legitimate reason why they won't win the West at the very least?

No QB with SEC experience combined with the loss of a LOT of excellent Senior leadership. Such a thing tends to happen every few seasons to even the best of programs.

[GeauxTo]

Nope... but, I also don't have much trouble visualizing Carlos Dunlap turning either "High School" or "Harvard" into a pretzel. Lee is 195 lbs. soaking wet, and I can guarantee you that Hatch never had an angry 6'6" 290 lb DE trying to teach him the laws of physics by forcing him into the ground head first, while he was in the Ivy League.:D


Ha-Ha
Of course, ole Carlos is going to have to work to get there through guys who are bigger and faster than him. It won't be easy. Meanwhile, "high school" and "Harvard" will be dumping it off to the likes of Trindon Holliday or Demetrius Byrd for long gainers, or ole Carlos will catch the breeze of Richard Murphy blowing past him for significant running yardage.

This thread represents the envious rantings of "wannabes" who will recoil into their losing shells once the season begins and the mighty Tigers begin their annual pilgrimage to Atlanta.
:D

[crawfish]

Ha-Ha
Of course, ole Carlos is going to have to work to get there through guys who are bigger and faster than him. It won't be easy. Meanwhile, "high school" and "Harvard" will be dumping it off to the likes of Trindon Holliday or Demetrius Byrd for long gainers, or ole Carlos will catch the breeze of Richard Murphy blowing past him for significant running yardage.

This thread represents the envious rantings of "wannabes" who will recoil into their losing shells once the season begins and the mighty Tigers begin their annual pilgrimage to Atlanta.
:D

Yeap! And what's so funny is, it's getting funnier as we get closer to the opening kickoff. Everybody wants to knock off the king of the hill.:cool: Understandable I guess!:lol:

[MillDawg007]

A legit reason would be their lack of experience at Quarterback. However, I really dont see that to be much of a problem. We have seen teams led by less than steller QB's (EXP LSU LAST SEASON) win the national championship. Sure Flynn had experience but I think most LSU fans would agree with me in saying that these two young guys have much more talent at the quarterback position.

So in closing there is not a reason I can see except maybe QB experience that could maybe cause this team to drop a game to BAMA or the Barn but I fully expect them to represent the west in the SECCG this season.

[GeauxTo]

A legit reason would be their lack of experience at Quarterback. However, I really dont see that to be much of a problem. We have seen teams led by less than steller QB's (EXP LSU LAST SEASON) win the national championship. Sure Flynn had experience but I think most LSU fans would agree with me in saying that these two young guys have much more talent at the quarterback position.

So in closing there is not a reason I can see except maybe QB experience that could maybe cause this team to drop a game to BAMA or the Barn but I fully expect them to represent the west in the SECCG this season.


A sensible football aficionado! Well said, my man.:thumbs:

[msstate21]

i just hope we beat LSU because i am tired of getting beat down by people who are always yelling "TIGER BAIT TIGER BAIT TIGER BAIT!!!" in everybody's face. This year is probably going to be our best chance since last year, our QB got hurt, and the year before, they had Jemarcus Russell and we just plained sucked. Hopefully Auburn will give them a lil pounding the week before. :D

[thunderbird1100]

The fact of the matter is this...

A. Many people hate Les Miles, therefore will try and say he will bring down LSU simply because of that, nothing more, nothing less. He's a cocky guy who makes smart ass remarks all the time, but he's definitely a very good coach. Just look at his track record. He turned Oklahoma State around from a losing program into a winning program who beat their biggest rival, Oklahoma (who was at the top of their game when he was there) half the time he was there. Both of these are unheard of in the history of the Oklahoma State program under any coach. Coach Jimmy Johnson (yes, Jimmy Johnson) was at Oklahoma State for 5 years (1 more than Les Miles) and built up a worse overall record (29-25-3 vs. 28-21) and much worse record against Oklahoma (0-5 vs. 2-2) than Les Miles. Let's not even mention how Les Miles has done so far at LSU. He has brought LSU to a new standard of program NEVER thought to of been achievable before as shown below in my sig.


B. People attribute all of LSU's success to Nick Saban, everything from 2000-2007. Even though Saban was only there from 2000-2004. The bottom line is LSU made Nick Saban, not the other way around. Saban is a great coach who awoke the sleeping giant and now Les Miles is the coach to drive it even greater levels. People think the only reason Miles has had any success at LSU is because of "Saban's boys" even though Saban's boys never played for Saban (the ones that played last year for Miles and won a national title). Everyone thinks LSU will fall off because Miles' recruits aren't as good as Saban's, even though recruiting completely disagrees with that. Everyone believes without Saban's recruits to "bail him out" he'll fail, which simply isn't true and is wishful/delusional thinking at best. LSU still has loads of talent, more than it ever has before. LSU will still be throwing a lot of guys into the NFL, more than it ever has before. LSU reloads now, we don't rebuild. You don't earn three straight Top 5's without doing so.

C. Every year we go through the same thing now with LSU. We hear it all. "LSU lost four first rounders to the NFL, more than you ever have before, three of those guys were in your passing game alone, your QB, and top 2 WRs....you won't win a NC much less win the SEC or get to a BCS bowl without that kind of leadership and production loss...not to mention you lost your entire right side of your starting OL and are replacing it with DTs...oh yeah, not to mention you lose 2 big time RBs too...sorry, LSU won't be that good this year" - months later - National Championship. We reload, it's as simple as that. Now we're going through the same thing again..."LSU has no QB, LSU lost Hester who did everything for them when they needed it, LSU lost the best defensive tackle to ever play for them, LSU lost a thorpe award finalist safety, LSU lost 2/3's of their LB corps and their CB tandem...LSU will in no way shape or form be a Top 15 team, Top 25 maybe, but you'll lose 4 or 5 games next season during the regular season"....blah blah blah blah. It's like no one has learned from the past 3 seasons of LSU reloading and Miles coaching. We will get it done. When someone graduates and goes to the NFL, we simply reload. The schedule isn't that bad (considering it's an odd year). We can beat anyone on it. LSU will at worst be a 9-3 team after the regular season is over. We're not going to lose to every good team we play like most people on here are predicting plus lose to a mediocre team or 2.



In the end I don't think we'll in the West because we go TO Auburn and obviously have had no luck there in the past (many) tries. I believe we also lose @ Florida. I think after that we at most will lose 1 more game, and end up 9-3 with a good shot of finishing 10-2. I think we can beat Auburn it's just that game in Tuberland hasn't been kind to us, especially the last 2 tries. We could lose to them, finish 10-2 and hope they lose 3 SEC games, but I don't think that would happen.

This team will once again be really good next year. Nobody talks about all the good we have on this team...including a veteran offensive line that is only replacing the worst guy, the RT. As a unit the LT, LG and C have STARTED together for 2 seasons straight now. The defensive line, while losing Dorsey, ONLY loses Dorsey. We also add a guy at DT who only got to play in the last 2 games last year, Ricky Jean-Francois and dominated in both games. ESPECIALLY on the biggest stage, the National Championship game. The entire 1-2-3 deep is back on the DL except Dorsey, and that's how deep that DL goes without any significant dropoff. We have a MLB leader in Darry Beckwith who has seen it all and can lead this defense no problem. We have top notch talent in to replace the secondary guys we lost. Chad Jones comes in at safety for Steltz and he's a 5-star talent. He will make everyone forget about Eric Berry as he's 4 inches taller and 25lbs heavier, yet, plays the same position as Berry. Take your picks on CBs to replace Zenon and JAckson (who as we all found out, were pretty slow fellas). We have a slew of 4-star guys, some with playing experience, not including incoming 5-star Patrick Johnson. Our returning RB corps have all rushed for an average of 6.3 yards per carry or better over their careers (yes, all FOUR of them)/ We return EVERYONE at WR and our starting TE except Doucet who missed half of last year anyways. This team will be very good, folks.

[BAMAPERRY]

Saban made LSU, and Miles will take it down. If LSU made Saban, why didn't they make Dinardo or Hallman? :rolleyes:

[thunderbird1100]

Saban made LSU, and Miles will take it down. If LSU made Saban, why didn't they make Dinardo or Hallman? :rolleyes:

Because Dinardo or Hallman weren't good coaches. I said Saban was a very good coach but if Saban didn't have LSU, he wouldn't of accomplished what he did. He never amounted to anything not seen before at Michigan State. Dinardo got Saban off to his really good start with the Louisiana talent he locked down for Saban to start out (everything changed in Louisiana recruiting when Kevin Faulk came to LSU), all Saban had to do was get a few key out of state guys and continue locking down the in-state Louisiana talent and LSU could be what it is, and it was and is.

Miles has now taken all that to an even greater level his past 3 years of coaching at LSU. There's nothing pointing to that significantly droping off either, unless you count your own delusions about us under Miles.

[shk999]

I dont hate Miles, I just think he's a buffoon.

"When LSU does not win the West, it will be because of" arrogance, ignorance (Les Miles), piss poor QB's and a leveling of the playing field due to the growing strengh of their SECW counterparts combined with a massive dropoff in talent thanks to the NFL.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/mkpenny/LesMiles.gif

[thunderbird1100]

I dont hate Miles, I just think he's a buffoon.

"When LSU does not win the West, it will be because of" arrogance, ignorance (Les Miles), piss poor QB's and a leveling of the playing field due to the growing strengh of their SECW counterparts combined with a massive dropoff in talent thanks to the NFL.

All this falls under the delusions of many Bammers.

[shk999]

Sure thing Heauxmer.

[thunderbird1100]

Sure thing Heauxmer.

There's nothing delusional about...

Meet Lesticles @ LSU

34-6 overall, 20-6 SEC, 14-0 Non-Conference, 3-0 Bowl Games, 2-0 BCS Bowls, 1 SEC Championship, 1 National Championship


Meanwhile

Saban @ Alabama

7-6 overall, 4-4 SEC, 3-2 Non-Conference, 1-0 Bowl Games, 0 BCS Bowls, 0 SEC Championships, 0 National Championships, Most embarrassing loss in school history


Those are THE facts. Sorry. ;)

[shk999]

LOL, nevermind that Les took over a fully functional program with an incredible amount of talent while Saban took over a beatdown program with virtually no talent. I think I may give him a couple of yrs to get things rolling before I make my final determination on his abilities.

[BAMAPERRY]

:laugh:

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/mkpenny/LesMiles.gif

[thunderbird1100]

LOL, nevermind that Les took over a fully functional program with an incredible amount of talent while Saban took over a beatdown program with virtually no talent. I think I may give him a couple of yrs to get things rolling before I make my final determination on his abilities.

Yeah, because all those guys played for Saban that played for LSU last year, right? Give it up. Miles has recruited as good if not better than Saban so what makes you think there will be any type of significant drop-off if it hasn't happened in the last 3 years with the same type of players he'll be coaching for at least the next 5 years?

It's simply delusions from you guys all the time. BTW, Bama has had TWO 10-win seasons since LSU got really good this decade before the 2007 season. So it's not like Alabama was completely terrible before Saban got there. Shula led Alabama to 10-2 just 2 years before Saban got there. Face it, the large majority of Bama's fanbase was very disappointed with the results of last season and will once again this season when Bama finishes the regular season no better than 8-4.

[BigBamaFan]

Yeah, because all those guys played for Saban that played for LSU last year, right? Give it up. Miles has recruited as good if not better than Saban so what makes you think there will be any type of significant drop-off if it hasn't happened in the last 3 years with the same type of players he'll be coaching for at least the next 5 years?

It's simply delusions from you guys all the time. BTW, Bama has had TWO 10-win seasons since LSU got really good this decade before the 2007 season. So it's not like Alabama was completely terrible before Saban got there. Shula led Alabama to 10-2 just 2 years before Saban got there. Face it, the large majority of Bama's fanbase was very disappointed with the results of last season and will once again this season when Bama finishes the regular season no better than 8-4.


I think the majority of the Bama fan base is pretty happy right now.Folks pretty much expected the 7-5 mark last year however losses to State and La-Monroe were not on the L side.Most fans are predicting a 8 win season for this year,One thing I have noticed about our Rival fans they always seem to point out that the Bama fan base has all these huge expectations and we do to a degree but we are not expecting them this year an 8-4 season would be about right but a 10 win season wouldnt be a suprise to most Bama fans.

[thunderbird1100]

I think the majority of the Bama fan base is pretty happy right now.Folks pretty much expected the 7-5 mark last year however losses to State and La-Monroe were not on the L side.Most fans are predicting a 8 win season for this year,One thing I have noticed about our Rival fans they always seem to point out that the Bama fan base has all these huge expectations and we do to a degree but we are not expecting them this year an 8-4 season would be about right but a 10 win season wouldnt be a suprise to most Bama fans.

You haven't spoke to BamaPerry much. Saban will win the next 5 national titles.

[BigBamaFan]

You haven't spoke to BamaPerry much. Saban will win the next 5 national titles.

BamaPerry is an excited fan that sees the program turning around,I havent been around here long enuff to know what he has predicted and what he hasnt.But I do think Alabama is building up to move back into a position to play for the West and the SEC title year in and year out.We played well enuff early in the 2007 season to make the LSU/Bama game for the SEC champ now granted we melted down after that game.But still up untill that point Bama was the West leader.

I think alot of folks just simple overlook Alabama right now due to either just our sheer drought over the last 10 years or the simple fact they really cant stand the idea of Alabama being one of the top teams in the SEC again.Regardless and this my own opinion Bama is close to being back in the elite group of SEC schools Bama's talent right now has been greatly improved over what teams have seen from us since 2000 in the last 3 years only Florida has really out recruited us and Bama should be Bama by the time the 06 class is Seniors.Last year was the worst Bama team you will see under Saban and IMO outside of 2 games they accounted well for themselves.this year we will have the same defense but it should be much improved the offense's number should see an improvment.

[rolltide192]

:laugh:

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/mkpenny/LesMiles.gif

:icon_knud

[GTTiger]

BamaPerry is an excited fan that sees the program turning around,I havent been around here long enuff to know what he has predicted and what he hasnt.But I do think Alabama is building up to move back into a position to play for the West and the SEC title year in and year out.We played well enuff early in the 2007 season to make the LSU/Bama game for the SEC champ now granted we melted down after that game.But still up untill that point Bama was the West leader.

I think alot of folks just simple overlook Alabama right now due to either just our sheer drought over the last 10 years or the simple fact they really cant stand the idea of Alabama being one of the top teams in the SEC again.Regardless and this my own opinion Bama is close to being back in the elite group of SEC schools Bama's talent right now has been greatly improved over what teams have seen from us since 2000 in the last 3 years only Florida has really out recruited us and Bama should be Bama by the time the 06 class is Seniors.Last year was the worst Bama team you will see under Saban and IMO outside of 2 games they accounted well for themselves.this year we will have the same defense but it should be much improved the offense's number should see an improvment.

Bamaperry predicted LSU to lose to Miss St, VT, Florida, Auburn, Kentucky, South Carolina, and Arkansas last year. Atleast he got 2 right =)

He just lets his hatred towards Miles and his love for Bama blind him when analyzing the teams.

[JessJess6713]

They lose heads up against Bama or Auburn
OR
Bama or Auburn upset Georgia

LSU has to play Florida, and neither Bama or Auburn do.

[thunderbird1100]

BamaPerry is an excited fan that sees the program turning around,I havent been around here long enuff to know what he has predicted and what he hasnt.But I do think Alabama is building up to move back into a position to play for the West and the SEC title year in and year out.We played well enuff early in the 2007 season to make the LSU/Bama game for the SEC champ now granted we melted down after that game.But still up untill that point Bama was the West leader.

I think alot of folks just simple overlook Alabama right now due to either just our sheer drought over the last 10 years or the simple fact they really cant stand the idea of Alabama being one of the top teams in the SEC again.Regardless and this my own opinion Bama is close to being back in the elite group of SEC schools Bama's talent right now has been greatly improved over what teams have seen from us since 2000 in the last 3 years only Florida has really out recruited us and Bama should be Bama by the time the 06 class is Seniors.Last year was the worst Bama team you will see under Saban and IMO outside of 2 games they accounted well for themselves.this year we will have the same defense but it should be much improved the offense's number should see an improvment.

The thing is nobody minds optimistic fans like yourself. It's homers/delusionals that bother people like Bamaperry. Several of his own fanbase on here have disowned him because he's that bad. He says stuff like Alabama will win national championships like it's a forgone conclusion in the next few years while teams like LSU and Auburn will fall off the face of the earth, with of course no real reasoning behind it except hatred for both schools and blind homering for his own Bama. The bottom line with Bama is no one really knows how Saban will turn out there. So far, it hasn't been quite what was expected, but it's only been one year. He could be another Shula, or he could be something much better.