Who are these people that we welcome into our midst?

[GeauxTo]

Try to see this before it becomes unavailable...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410

[Sabanocchio]

That is a bigger pile of crap than the loose change vid.
You are basically saying that the koran instructs these terrorists to behave the way they do by picking out random parts of it. Well how easily could one do that with the Bible? Just as easily if not more.

Some of you really surprise me. You have a "my way is the only way" mentality that is beyond disturbing. That's all I will say on this subject.

[dcbama]

Some of you really surprise me. You have a "my way is the only way" mentality that is beyond disturbing. That's all I will say on this subject.

Amen Brother.

[azamugg]

That is a bigger pile of crap than the loose change vid.
You are basically saying that the koran instructs these terrorists to behave the way they do by picking out random parts of it. Well how easily could one do that with the Bible? Just as easily if not more.

Some of you really surprise me. You have a "my way is the only way" mentality that is beyond disturbing. That's all I will say on this subject.

bigger pile of crap than the loose change vid.........have you been living in a f'n cave? even the f'n muslims admit what the Koran says.....and at the current moment people toten bibles arent yelling "Jihad"!!!

if you notice what the Muslims are insisting on in other countries throughout Europe then your dumbass "my way is the only way" would sound as stupid to you as it does us

[PuddingTime]

The Muslims who actually want to perform Jihad and wipe us off the face of the planet are just like the group of Snake Worshipers out in Eastern Kentucky, or the scmucks from Kansas who protest at soldiers funerals, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (yes, it's a not so subtle jab), or other Christian's of that ilk.

These are people who take things to the extreme.

However, it's not really easy to read someone's mind and know what their intent is. But at the same time, you can't just blackball all Muslims because of a few bad apples. Going to Baghdad or Tehran and just dropping the bomb isn't the answer, not that I do know what it is.

[GeauxTo]

That is a bigger pile of crap than the loose change vid.
You are basically saying that the koran instructs these terrorists to behave the way they do by picking out random parts of it.

The problem, as I see it, is that Muslims are doing these things now and in locations all over the world. What chance would you have in practicing your differing belief in a theocracy controlled by Muslims?

[azamugg]

The Muslims who actually want to perform Jihad and wipe us off the face of the planet are just like the group of Snake Worshipers out in Eastern Kentucky, or the scmucks from Kansas who protest at soldiers funerals, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (yes, it's a not so subtle jab), or other Christian's of that ilk.These are people who take things to the extreme.

However, it's not really easy to read someone's mind and know what their intent is. But at the same time, you can't just blackball all Muslims because of a few bad apples. Going to Baghdad or Tehran and just dropping the bomb isn't the answer, not that I do know what it is.



no doubt Pudding that the extremists are the minority but not as big of a minority as you pose it and I would rather deal w/a schmuck protesting a funeral or a dude handling snakes then people flying planes into skyscrapers, bombing trains, buses, hell anything w/people in them..

and no one says we're blackballing Muslims but to put ones head in the sand in the name of BS overreaching political correctness would be a crime

[PuddingTime]

Oh, I definitely don't agree w/trying to be PC about it, I'm simply pointing out you can't just label all Muslims that way. I mean, I'd like to beat the s**t out of any and all pedophiles, but that doesn't mean I can label every 40 year old white guy w/a moustache and a cheesy smile a pedophile (see how I just did though?) and walk up to them and put a gun to their head.

[D^3]

You know what will solve all this? Guns in the hands of every American. Terrorists wouldn't f___ with a people armed to the teeth. Can you imagine?


0730 hours, LAX int'l ariport. Sai'ed Mash'al, a Jordanian al-Qaeda operative, nervously waits to make his way through airport security onto flight 725, en route to Houston, TX. If his mission is successful, the plane will not make it out of LA airspace... instead it will explode and disperse dangerous chemical toxins through the air, killing thousands in the greater LA area. Sai'ed makes it onto the plane, and nervously fidgets around in his seat. Once the plane reaches altitude, he makes his move. He grabs the flight attendant, and using a piece of broken glass that he is using as a weapon, holds her hostage and starts screaming for her to open the cockpit door.

*BANG!!* John Smith, a businessman returning to Houston, pulls his 9mm automatic from his briefcase and fires a round into the terrorists knee, causing him to fall to the ground. *BANG*! Another round ends the would be terrorists mission.


Terror only works when you have a population that can be terrified.

[smfr]

See the thing about the Bible and Koran, is why there are so many different kinds of churches(Christians) and different tribes (Islam). Each have different interpertations of what each book says. Jihad is what Allah wants Muslims to do. Only when their religion is directly being attacked. I have seen many Muslim priest talk about. They say most of the extremeniest have perverted what the Koran says and does not truely reflect Islam.

[azamugg]

You know what will solve all this? Guns in the hands of every American. Terrorists wouldn't f___ with a people armed to the teeth. Can you imagine?


0730 hours, LAX int'l ariport. Sai'ed Mash'al, a Jordanian al-Qaeda operative, nervously waits to make his way through airport security onto flight 725, en route to Houston, TX. If his mission is successful, the plane will not make it out of LA airspace... instead it will explode and disperse dangerous chemical toxins through the air, killing thousands in the greater LA area. Sai'ed makes it onto the plane, and nervously fidgets around in his seat. Once the plane reaches altitude, he makes his move. He grabs the flight attendant, and using a piece of broken glass that he is using as a weapon, holds her hostage and starts screaming for her to open the cockpit door.

*BANG!!* John Smith, a businessman returning to Houston, pulls his 9mm automatic from his briefcase and fires a round into the terrorists knee, causing him to fall to the ground. *BANG*! Another round ends the would be terrorists mission.


Terror only works when you have a population that can be terrified.


LOL, the dude that shot him might have mistaken the terrorist for the attendant late w/his drink

[adamsputnik]

You know what will solve all this? Guns in the hands of every American. Terrorists wouldn't f___ with a people armed to the teeth. Can you imagine?


0730 hours, LAX int'l ariport. Sai'ed Mash'al, a Jordanian al-Qaeda operative, nervously waits to make his way through airport security onto flight 725, en route to Houston, TX. If his mission is successful, the plane will not make it out of LA airspace... instead it will explode and disperse dangerous chemical toxins through the air, killing thousands in the greater LA area. Sai'ed makes it onto the plane, and nervously fidgets around in his seat. Once the plane reaches altitude, he makes his move. He grabs the flight attendant, and using a piece of broken glass that he is using as a weapon, holds her hostage and starts screaming for her to open the cockpit door.

*BANG!!* John Smith, a businessman returning to Houston, pulls his 9mm automatic from his briefcase and fires a round into the terrorists knee, causing him to fall to the ground. *BANG*! Another round ends the would be terrorists mission.


Terror only works when you have a population that can be terrified.

You're trying to tell me that Americans aren't armed to the teeth already?

My wife's uncle owns more weapons than my entire family on both sides, acquaintances and friends own put together. I can't imagine there'd be too many more people who need guns in this country.

Anyway, just imagine if the same guy gets pissed off because the attendant cuts him off from the free vodka and tonics - forget the terrorist!

[azamugg]

dude, did you just steal my joke?

[Tator]

It must be mandated somewhere that when anyone mentions jihad or muslim terrorists/extremists, someone also must mention the fringes of christianity as though the two are equal. You can't equate a bonfire to a match just because the two consist of a flame.

This isn't my attempt to defend the wacko's in the christian fringe, because they certainly need to be removed from the gene pool as well, but its only my attempt to denounce this ludicrous idea that christianity and islam are equally destructive.

[WayzUp]

The problem, as I see it, is that Muslims are doing these things now and in locations all over the world. What chance would you have in practicing your differing belief in a theocracy controlled by Muslims?
The problem as they see it is the only people they do things to are countries who are occupying what they consider their homeland and/or holy land. You don't see them attacking China or Japan or India do you?

It must be mandated somewhere that when anyone mentions jihad or muslim terrorists/extremists, someone also must mention the fringes of christianity as though the two are equal. You can't equate a bonfire to a match just because the two consist of a flame.

This isn't my attempt to defend the wacko's in the christian fringe, because they certainly need to be removed from the gene pool as well, but its only my attempt to denounce this ludicrous idea that christianity and islam are equally destructive.
I agree the fundamentalist of every religion need to be dealt with but I'm afraid you've transposed the match and the bonfire. Christianity has killed more people than any other religion in the history of the planet....whether you go back 2008 years or a billion years.

Again, the extremist groups of Muslims who carry out the bombings and whatnot are only doing so to targets in countries who have in some way attacked their homeland and/or holy land. You don't see truly neutral countries being targeted but, most recently anyway, members of the "grand coalition" that invaded Iraq.

[azamugg]

come on Ways, a thousand years ago maybe but thats when Christianity was as warlike as the world was then

[WayzUp]

come on Ways, a thousand years ago maybe but thats when Christianity was as warlike as the world was then
Since we declared our independance, the United States (predominantly Christian) hasn't had a decade straight of no military action with the exception of the period between WWI and WWII. We are the modern era's version of an empire. We have 702 overseas bases in about 130 countries and have another 6,000 bases in the United States and its territories and that's not including Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait or Israel. They see us as just another Crusade coming to invade them under another name and/or flag. So they act/react accordingly.

What many fail to do is think of it from the other perspective. How would we react if we were invaded & occupied by another country? We'd be more than a little pissed and if we weren't already the most armed populace in the world, we'd be making homemade bombs and doing whatever we could guerrilla war style to get them to leave....just as they are.

Don't hate the religion, hate the extremist of the religion. Otherwise, you're just a step away from being an extremist yourself. Not you specifically aza...just in general.

[Zee]

Since we declared our independance, the United States (predominantly Christian) hasn't had a decade straight of no military action with the exception of the period between WWI and WWII. We are the modern era's version of an empire. We have 702 overseas bases in about 130 countries and have another 6,000 bases in the United States and its territories and that's not including Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait or Israel. They see us as just another Crusade coming to invade them under another name and/or flag. So they act/react accordingly.

What many fail to do is think of it from the other perspective. How would we react if we were invaded & occupied by another country? We'd be more than a little pissed and if we weren't already the most armed populace in the world, we'd be making homemade bombs and doing whatever we could guerrilla war style to get them to leave....just as they are.

Don't hate the religion, hate the extremist of the religion. Otherwise, you're just a step away from being an extremist yourself. Not you specifically aza...just in general.

I find it extremely offensive (and I'm not easily offended) to suggest that I would set a bomb in a market full of innocent people or fly a plane into a building full of innocent people. I mean I can't believe you are making excuses for terrorism...

[WayzUp]

I find it extremely offensive (and I'm not easily offended) to suggest that I would set a bomb in a market full of innocent people or fly a plane into a building full of innocent people. I mean I can't believe you are making excuses for terrorism...
So what do you think the general population of the United States would do if we were invaded & occupied by a far superior force? Just roll over and take it? I'm not making excuses for terrorism but it is whatever you call it. We call it terrorism, they call it "Jihad" but it could be as simple as the only way they know how to fight back. You have to keep in mind the area of the world they live in has been invaded over and over and over and over....most of the time in the name of religion (that religion being Christianity more than a couple times).

We would fight back any way we could....throwing rocks, making IED's out of things found at home, etc etc...I'm not so sure we'd have the suicide bombers running into markets and such but I never said that now, did I? :unsure:

[adamsputnik]

dude, did you just steal my joke?

Yeah, it looks a bit that way, doesn't it?

Oh well, originality was never my strongest suit.

[D^3]

You're trying to tell me that Americans aren't armed to the teeth already?

My wife's uncle owns more weapons than my entire family on both sides, acquaintances and friends own put together. I can't imagine there'd be too many more people who need guns in this country.

Anyway, just imagine if the same guy gets pissed off because the attendant cuts him off from the free vodka and tonics - forget the terrorist!



A small percentage of people own many guns... but I would not be surprised to find that the large majority do not own a firearm at all. For years the liberals in this country have been pushing for a gunless society. Hell, turn on the news these days and you'll see corporate retail chains having "give up your gun" days where if people turn in their guns, they'll receive a gift card. There's something seriously wrong with that. Mindless idiots turning in their means of self-defense for a gift card to buy bath towels with.

Also, people are quick to use examples like you did at the end there... but the instances of that actually happening are very rare. And if more responsible people carried guns, you wouldn't have as many idiots so eager to pull out their weapon for intimidation purposes.

[Zee]

So what do you think the general population of the United States would do if we were invaded & occupied by a far superior force? Just roll over and take it? I'm not making excuses for terrorism but it is whatever you call it. We call it terrorism, they call it "Jihad" but it could be as simple as the only way they know how to fight back. You have to keep in mind the area of the world they live in has been invaded over and over and over and over....most of the time in the name of religion (that religion being Christianity more than a couple times).

We would fight back any way we could....throwing rocks, making IED's out of things found at home, etc etc...I'm not so sure we'd have the suicide bombers running into markets and such but I never said that now, did I? :unsure:

This whole thread and the video in it is about Islamic extremism. You start talking about how the US is the bad guy, Christians have caused all that's bad in the world, we are to blame for everything, etc. Then you say that because of this, Islamic extremists "act accordinigly", and you assume that we would do the same thing. And that is complete and utter bullsh*t. We call it terrorism because that's exactly what it is. They murder innocent people and strike terror into people. They call it Jihad because they believe in a holy war against everyone who doesn't share their beliefs. But for some reason you give them a free pass because "that's just the way people get when they are threatened" or whatever you are trying to say. That too is bullsh*t. Terrorists aren't victims. Islamic extremists aren't victims, and as much as you'd like to believe it, we aren't the villains here.

[adamsputnik]

A small percentage of people own many guns... but I would not be surprised to find that the large majority do not own a firearm at all. For years the liberals in this country have been pushing for a gunless society. Hell, turn on the news these days and you'll see corporate retail chains having "give up your gun" days where if people turn in their guns, they'll receive a gift card. There's something seriously wrong with that. Mindless idiots turning in their means of self-defense for a gift card to buy bath towels with.

Also, people are quick to use examples like you did at the end there... but the instances of that actually happening are very rare. And if more responsible people carried guns, you wouldn't have as many idiots so eager to pull out their weapon for intimidation purposes.

I dunno, perhaps in some other states you might be correct in saying many/most people don't have guns, but here in Georgia I would not be surprised to know that the (vast) majority of adults own one or more guns. I don't think I'll ever own a gun personally but I don't see the big deal about others owning them - I'm all about responsibility and freedom and frankly it wouldn't bother me if my homeland allowed greater firearm ownership freedoms, but then again the culture is not the same there so the point is sort of moot.

BTW the last one there was a joke - I don't for a minute think it's a plausible situation.

[WayzUp]

This whole thread and the video in it is about Islamic extremism. You start talking about how the US is the bad guy, Christians have caused all that's bad in the world, we are to blame for everything, etc. Then you say that because of this, Islamic extremists "act accordinigly", and you assume that we would do the same thing. And that is complete and utter bullsh*t. We call it terrorism because that's exactly what it is. They murder innocent people and strike terror into people. They call it Jihad because they believe in a holy war against everyone who doesn't share their beliefs. But for some reason you give them a free pass because "that's just the way people get when they are threatened" or whatever you are trying to say. That too is bullsh*t. Terrorists aren't victims. Islamic extremists aren't victims, and as much as you'd like to believe it, we aren't the villains here.

Nooo...this thread was started by taking a small part of the Koran and making it sound like every Muslim in the world is bent on destroying anyone who is not & that is simply not true.

As for Christians causing all the bad in the world, you're either putting words in my mouth or taking what I said completely out of context because that's not what I said. I simply stated the fact that Christians have killed more people in the name of their religion than any other organized religion in the history of Man. As for the part of the US being the bad guy (another thing I never said), you could go ask the rest of the world and find that most believe us to be exactly that which is why our "grand coalition" disintigrated around us & left us virtually alone in Iraq.

And I never said "Islamic extremists 'act accordingly'", I said all people in that region of the world (namely Iraq at the present time) react accordingly. Don't confuse that with acting/reacting appropriately cuz it's not. But history will show that theyare fighting back with any means available to them as they have for thousands of years because they see us as an invading force, not some saviors as we've been sold by mainstream media....like it or not, they want us out. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080708/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq)

I never said terrorists are victims. I never said any extremist were victims either; I believe I said exactly the opposite. I'm not giving a 'free pass' to anyone who kills innocents and that does include us because contrary to what it sounds like you believe, the United States has killed far more innocents via collateral damage than all the terrorist attacks in the world combined.

Just stop putting words in my mouth or jump to assumptions because I'm trying to help you see it from a different perspective. Seriously, how do you think we would react if we were invaded? Would we generally roll over or do you think we'd fight back with whatever means possible? Try to imagine it's possible (even if it isn't) and visualize how it would go down in your hometown. Cuz that's the reality over there....and it's happened probably hundreds of times as empire after empire tried to secure that region of the world so while we may have the best weapons, being occupied is nothing new to them. Like I said, we're just another Crusade from their perspective & they're going to do what they've always done. Why we find that so shocking and appalling is beyond me.

[Tennessee Ted]

I think the video is interesting, but it is kind of dangerous too. I think it's point is that the extremist Islamic groups are justifying their killing, terror, Jihad (whatever you want to call it) through the Koran. I don't think it implies that the Islamic religion or the Koran is dangerous in of itself, but hot heads and idiots could view this video and think that. It bears repeating over and over again that we are at war with Fundamentalist Islamic Terrorists, not the Islamic world in general. Al Qaida wants an all out war between the West and Islam. If we carry over our hatred of Fundamentalists over to Islam in general then Al Qaida is succeeding.

[azamugg]

wayz.........one thing you said "like it or not, they want us out"..........yea, the extremists want us out, ask the citizenry and you'll get a different opinion and the fact that they want us out is enough reason to stay for the time being till the job is done

[Zee]

Nooo...this thread was started by taking a small part of the Koran and making it sound like every Muslim in the world is bent on destroying anyone who is not & that is simply not true.

As for Christians causing all the bad in the world, you're either putting words in my mouth or taking what I said completely out of context because that's not what I said. I simply stated the fact that Christians have killed more people in the name of their religion than any other organized religion in the history of Man. As for the part of the US being the bad guy (another thing I never said), you could go ask the rest of the world and find that most believe us to be exactly that which is why our "grand coalition" disintigrated around us & left us virtually alone in Iraq.

And I never said "Islamic extremists 'act accordingly'", I said all people in that region of the world (namely Iraq at the present time) react accordingly. Don't confuse that with acting/reacting appropriately cuz it's not. But history will show that theyare fighting back with any means available to them as they have for thousands of years because they see us as an invading force, not some saviors as we've been sold by mainstream media....like it or not, they want us out. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080708/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq)

I never said terrorists are victims. I never said any extremist were victims either; I believe I said exactly the opposite. I'm not giving a 'free pass' to anyone who kills innocents and that does include us because contrary to what it sounds like you believe, the United States has killed far more innocents via collateral damage than all the terrorist attacks in the world combined.

Just stop putting words in my mouth or jump to assumptions because I'm trying to help you see it from a different perspective. Seriously, how do you think we would react if we were invaded? Would we generally roll over or do you think we'd fight back with whatever means possible? Try to imagine it's possible (even if it isn't) and visualize how it would go down in your hometown. Cuz that's the reality over there....and it's happened probably hundreds of times as empire after empire tried to secure that region of the world so while we may have the best weapons, being occupied is nothing new to them. Like I said, we're just another Crusade from their perspective & they're going to do what they've always done. Why we find that so shocking and appalling is beyond me.

A) I know not every muslim is hell bent on destroying us, but many, many are. To overlook that and just say that there are a few extremists that want to do it, well that's just not true. I feel like it is bigger than you are willing to admit.
B)I realize Christians caused a lot of death and destruction in the PAST. What the hell does that have to do with the threat facing us today? And as far as the world thinking we are the bad guy...booh freakin hoo. We are the most powerful, most succesful country in the history of the world. We got that way through stepping on some toes, but for the most part we are also the most gracious, benevolent country as far as dealing with other nations that hate us. To make us out like the bad guy (and you may not have said it, but that's how you feel) is ridiculous.
C)How is "fighting back" synonmous with flying planes into buildings and killing innocent people? The hijackers were from several different backgrounds. You make it sound like around the turn of the millenium we occupied all middleastern nations and raped them of their well-being. As a result, they decided to attack innocent people. Fighting back my ass.
D) Oh I wasn't aware there wasn't a difference between collateral damage and murder. Dude, they kill innocent people because that's what they intend. When innocent people die as a result of us, we mourn their deaths and send aid to people affected.
E) Your whole point about us occupying nations in the middle east is flawed, or at least I don't buy it. You are saying that we occupied their countries so they are fighting back (terrorists are just defending themselves, God help em). As far as what I would do in their shoes, I sure as hell wouldn't strive to kill innocent people in the name of God.

[WarEagle73]

Christianity has killed more people than any other religion in the history of the planet....whether you go back 2008 years or a billion years.

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I simply stated the fact that Christians have killed more people in the name of their religion than any other organized religion in the history of Man.


I'm sorry to say, but that statement is patently untrue. I will offer up one simple example to prove my point.

Starting in 1915 the Ottoman Empire started a program of forced migration and outright slaughter of it's Christian Armenian population. This program continued even after the war ended. The Ottoman Turks forced tens of thousands of Armenians to convert to Islam and killed somewhere between 1 and 1.5 million Armenian Christians. I cannot find a single instance in recorded history where that many were slaughtered so quickly in the name of Christendom.

[Tennessee Ted]

I'm sorry to say, but that statement is patently untrue. I will offer up one simple example to prove my point.

Starting in 1915 the Ottoman Empire started a program of forced migration and outright slaughter of it's Christian Armenian population. This program continued even after the war ended. The Ottoman Turks forced tens of thousands of Armenians to convert to Islam and killed somewhere between 1 and 1.5 million Armenian Christians. I cannot find a single instance in recorded history where that many were slaughtered so quickly in the name of Christendom.

I think we are splitting hairs here. Do we really need a scorecard to compare religious killings. The truth is that it is not religion that kills it is intolerance of others whether it is religion, politics, ethnic groups, sexual tendencies etc. . .

Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote that for mankind to perpetuate evil he must believe what he is doing is right. Ideology is what gives man the pretext for thinking what he is doing is right. That Ideology could be religion, politics, ethnic, or others. In this case it is Fundamentalists killing in the name of their thwarted interpretation of the Koran. Fundamentalists have done the same thing in the past in vast numbers in the name of Christianity. It does not mean either religion is evil, but it is the Ideology of the extremist interpretation of the religion, which in one word is Intolerance.

[GeauxTo]

Solzhenitsyn also said that America is a democracy run amuck.

Islamic theocracies are totally intolerant of other religions being practiced within their jurisdiction.

Christian democratic republics are totally tolerant of other religions being practiced within their jurisdiction.

That seems simple enough for a thinking person.

[Sabanocchio]

wayz.........one thing you said "like it or not, they want us out"..........yea, the extremists want us out, ask the citizenry and you'll get a different opinion and the fact that they want us out is enough reason to stay for the time being till the job is done

The people that are taking the lives of our troops right now in Iraq only pose a danger while we have a presence in Iraq. It's not like if we were to pull out, these people have the resources to attack a major city on U.S. soil. It's not Al Queda we are fighting in Iraq. We are in the middle of a Civil War that, while we started, we IMO have no business at the present being in the middle of.

I think you are doing the exact thing that you try to preach in other threads: You are letting those with personal interests invested in the war form your opinion rather than forming an educated opinion based on the facts at hand.

It's much easier to reform an opinion based on facts when you enter with an open mind. The only thing open about your mind at the present is the gaping hole that's leaking brain cells. (Taking a page out of your "How to argue when you're a pompous asshole" book.)

And if you still think that I'm Zartan, then you really are a moron. You're paranoia truly shows what kind of person you are in your day-to-day life.

I'm gonna start giving you what you've been giving me for the past several months or whenever you decided with no evidence whatsoever that I need another screenname to make an f'ng point.

[KRIEGER]

Try to see this before it becomes unavailable...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410

Who are they? Honestly? They are people brainwashed by Satan since the person who wrote the Quran (Muhammad) had a relationship with Satan. Oh, did I mention Muhammad was 50+ years old when he married a 9 year old girl? This is the man who wrote their "bible".

Conclusion: Anyone who follows this religion has a one way ticket to eternal damnation scorching in flames. :):thumpsup:

[KRIEGER]

Check it out for yourself. (http://www.creationapologetics.org/editorials/islamsmohammed.html)

[KRIEGER]

This pretty much defines the Muslim religion and Islamic values in general (which is murder, hatred, etc):
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It'll be extremely interesting to see what happens in the US presidential election. Are we honestly going to vote a MUSLIM INTO OFFICE?!?!?


Here's another video, and it just proves the future to be immensely violent:
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No matter how delusional the Muslims are, they are certainly right about one thing. They WILL rule the earth one day, by the name of Allah AKA Satan.

[azamugg]

I think we are splitting hairs here. Do we really need a scorecard to compare religious killings. The truth is that it is not religion that kills it is intolerance of others whether it is religion, politics, ethnic groups, sexual tendencies etc. . .

Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote that for mankind to perpetuate evil he must believe what he is doing is right. Ideology is what gives man the pretext for thinking what he is doing is right. That Ideology could be religion, politics, ethnic, or others. In this case it is Fundamentalists killing in the name of their thwarted interpretation of the Koran. Fundamentalists have done the same thing in the past in vast numbers in the name of Christianity. It does not mean either religion is evil, but it is the Ideology of the extremist interpretation of the religion, which in one word is Intolerance.



for gods sake these arguments are tireless.............yes Christianity killed thousands BACK IN THE DAY WHEN THATS WHAT PEOPLE DID IN GENERAL but now in a civilized world that uses utenscils to eat Christians don't do that ............BUT MUSLIMS FRIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNN DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......are you guys so friggin retarded you can't understand a f'n thousand years ago versus FRIGGIN TODAY!!!

God Bless you and your friggin intellectual ways of discussing things but answer this ....ARE YOU RETARDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tennessee Ted]

for gods sake these arguments are tireless.............yes Christianity killed thousands BACK IN THE DAY WHEN THATS WHAT PEOPLE DID IN GENERAL but now in a civilized world that uses utenscils to eat Christians don't do that ............BUT MUSLIMS FRIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNN DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......are you guys so friggin retarded you can't understand a f'n thousand years ago versus FRIGGIN TODAY!!!

God Bless you and your friggin intellectual ways of discussing things but answer this ....ARE YOU RETARDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aza go screw yourself you god damn internet bully. I realize that Christianity has changed, but it did at one time kill people in the name of religion. If you look at Islam it is as old as Christianity was when Christianity was burning heretics at the stake via the Spanish Inquistion and other niceties.

If you look at my posts my point was it has nothing to do with religion it is intolerance. The intolerance shown with Islamic fundamentalists is like hate crimes you see in this country against other races and people who have different sexual preferences. However, Islam is not 100% intolerant. It is only the Fundamentalists. If you disagree with my agreements please do not call me retarded. I do not appreciate.

[azamugg]

Aza go screw yourself you god damn internet bully. I realize that Christianity has changed, but it did at one time kill people in the name of religion. If you look at Islam it is as old as Christianity was when Christianity was burning heretics at the stake via the Spanish Inquistion and other niceties.

If you look at my posts my point was it has nothing to do with religion it is intolerance. The intolerance shown with Islamic fundamentalists is like hate crimes you see in this country against other races and people who have different sexual preferences. However, Islam is not 100% intolerant. It is only the Fundamentalists. If you disagree with my agreements please do not call me retarded. I do not appreciate.



well first off Ted, you and I have a comraderie here so I have to admit to you, not in defeat but peace, that while I quoted your post I was actually responding strongly to EVERY post of similar to yours that were of the same flavor.....so while I vehemently disagree with you I am by no means calling you retarded (I meant to quote Sabo's last post............red wine, sorry)

now while I simultaneously admit that here is a groupl of people harping the same themg that I am indeed calling retarded, well hell I guess you have a right to be offended................I'm just telling you that it was more dilluted that what appeared (I can't get out of this schitt smelling good can I?)

[Tennessee Ted]

I am sick of your crap Aza. I have a right to voice my opinion without being replied to in a direct quote telling me I am retarded in ALL CAPS. Don't reply to me any more and I will do the same to you. Thanks.

[Cianne]

Chill dude. There's no reason to provoke/troll for baited responses.

[shk999]

This election is getting on my GD nerves. I cant wait til its over, I dont give a rat's ass who wins at this point, im just sick of hearing about it. In the last 6 months, I've seen a bunch of great folks go for each other's throat over and over about things that not one of us has any control over.

[shk999]

^^ My last post in a F'n political thread.

[azamugg]

shk...........you da man

[Sabanocchio]

I'll say again, it's a shame we can't have a civil platform to talk politics around here. It's truly a shame.

[Zee]

There is no such thing as civil politics, it's an oxymoron.

[azamugg]

truly....................er, truly


wake up tomorrow and get a clue and we'll discuss real world politics.............not your pansy wansy boy scout idealogy

LOVE YA'LL..............GONNA HIT THE SACK NOW..............


ONE THING MY POPS TOLD ME AS AN ADOLESCENT IS "HAVE AN OPINION......VERSUS NOT HAVING ONE".............HE SAID "TO BE INDIFFERENT IS TO BE WORTHY OF BEING SHAT UPON" my father was Old English lol

AND FOR THAT, YOU DISAGREEABLE FOOLS, I SHALL ARGUE WITH YOU ANOTHER DAY AND PERHAPS ONE OF US MIGHT GAIN ANOTHERS INSIGHT IN WHATSOEVER THE SLIGHTEST DEGREE

PEACE OUT

[KRIEGER]

for gods sake these arguments are tireless.............yes Christianity killed thousands BACK IN THE DAY WHEN THATS WHAT PEOPLE DID IN GENERAL but now in a civilized world that uses utenscils to eat Christians don't do that ............BUT MUSLIMS FRIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNN DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......are you guys so friggin retarded you can't understand a f'n thousand years ago versus FRIGGIN TODAY!!!

God Bless you and your friggin intellectual ways of discussing things but answer this ....ARE YOU RETARDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this a joke or what? I sure hope so, 'cus aren't you like 40 years old LOL :thumbsdow

[gatorunvrsty]

^^ My last post in a F'n political thread.

Yep. I stayed out of this one from jump... the title told me enough. All I would've asked is, "Who is we, anyway?", in response to the question of who are we welcoming into our midst? Hell, this go-around it's the damn conservatives who want more lax immigration, and are pushing to grant amnesty to all the current illegals in this country. The position was so unlike Republicans, I had to research it further to find out why and when they got a heart for the little guy all of a sudden. And there it was. Bush and other conservatives were pushing for it because Mexicans provided cheap labor alternatives that their fat cats didn't have to provide insurance, unemployment, or worker's comp for. Of course, the baggage that comes along with that is all the additional undesirables, criminals, and terrorists are also in that group. This may be the one issue where I side with McCain. He has repeatedly banged heads with conservatives on this issue, and will not change his stance, no matter how much pressure they put on him. On this issue, though, he also does propose a corporate tax cut of 10%, from 35% to 25%, in what he believes will be an effort to entice corporations to keep jobs in the U.S.. And, I will reaffirm my point that Bush has already tried that; and all it's accomplished is the big corporations just take the tax breaks and run with the money for themselves... they don't provide anything for the common man with the tax savings, and they're still sending jobs to friggin' India and Pakistan. It's that simple.

As for the "sky is falling" rants and misunderstandings about Islam, I can't get into another one of those. If anybody is stupid enough to think all Muslims are the same, and that they all follow the same distorted interpretation of the Qu'ran that the extremists do, then whatever I say can't help them. People who say things like that have never read the book, and/or have never compared the writings to the Bible. They both claim to be the one true path; and what people just don't see, including the extremists, is that it's the same f*cking path... just with different names for God and different prophets.

Allah = God
Muhammad = Jesus

If one studies both writings, and just takes the spirit of the messages to heart, rather than the literal differences, they discover they profess nearly all the same virtues of spirituality, faith, and the belief in a single omnipotent God. Fundamental Christians are every bit as dangerous and prejudiced as fundamental Muslims. The most glaring irony is the name; because neither group is fundamental at all. This hate and intolerance they possess and use as weapons are the least fundamental and the furthest from the teachings of either group. Both groups would have you pray for the members of the other group, that they find your same path to enlightenment... neither says force the other to believe as you do. They say to respect the beliefs of other faiths; for at least they have faith.

[WayzUp]

wayz.........one thing you said "like it or not, they want us out"..........yea, the extremists want us out, ask the citizenry and you'll get a different opinion and the fact that they want us out is enough reason to stay for the time being till the job is done

O RLY? You miss the linked article in the "they want us out" part of that post? The National Security Advisor of the Iraqi government that we helped put together is who's insisting we provide a timetable to withdraw.
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Tue Jul 8, 6:35 PM ET

BAGHDAD - Iraq's national security adviser said Tuesday his country will not accept any security deal with the United States unless it contains specific dates for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces.

The comments by Mouwaffak al-Rubaie were the strongest yet by an Iraqi official about the deal now under negotiation with U.S. officials. They came a day after Iraq's prime minister first said publicly that he expects the pending troop deal with the United States to have some type of timetable for withdrawal.

President Bush has said he opposes a timetable. The White House said Monday it did not believe Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki was proposing a rigid timeline for U.S. troop withdrawals.

U.S. officials had no immediate comment Tuesday on al-Rubaie's statement.

Al-Rubaie spoke to reporters after briefing Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani in Najaf on the progress of the government's security efforts and the talks.

"Our stance in the negotiations underway with the American side will be strong ... We will not accept any memorandum of understanding that doesn't have specific dates to withdraw foreign forces from Iraq," al-Rubaie said.

He provided no details. But Ali al-Adeeb, a Shiite lawmaker and a prominent official in the prime minister's party, told The Associated Press that Iraq was linking the timetable proposal to the ongoing handover of various provinces to Iraqi control.

The Iraqi proposal stipulates that, once Iraqi forces have resumed security responsibility in all 18 of Iraq's provinces, U.S.-led forces would then withdraw from all cities in the country.

After that, the country's security situation would be reviewed every six months, for three to five years, to decide when U.S.-led troops would pull out entirely, al-Adeeb said.

So far, the United States has handed control of nine of 18 provinces to Iraqi officials.

"This is what the Iraqi people want, the parliament and other Iraqi leaders," said al-Adeeb.

The proposal, as outlined by al-Adeeb, is phrased in a way that would allow Iraqi officials to tell the Iraqi public that it includes a specific timetable and dates for a U.S. withdrawal.

However, it also would provide the United States some flexibility on timing because the dates of the provincial handovers are not set.

Some type of troop status agreement between the United States and Iraq is needed to keep U.S. troops in Iraq after a U.N. mandate expires at year's end.

Iraq's government has felt increasingly confident in recent weeks about its authority and the country's improved stability. Iraqi officials have sharpened their public stance in the negotiations considerably in just the last few days.
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LINKAGE (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080708/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq)

[WayzUp]

This pretty much defines the Muslim religion and Islamic values in general (which is murder, hatred, etc)

It'll be extremely interesting to see what happens in the US presidential election. Are we honestly going to vote a MUSLIM INTO OFFICE?!?!?
A MuhammadTube clip from a Christian Fundamentalist isn't going to add impartiality to the argument. Of course they're going to condemn anything and everything to do with Islam, the two religions have been at eachother's throats for eons.

And it's kind of impossible to vote a Muslim into office when there isn't one running.

[WayzUp]

^^ My last post in a F'n political thread.

I'm with you shk....I think the reason I do is people like my neighbor. I was out trimming branches a couple weeks ago in my front yard so I wouldn't keep having to duck 'em when I mowed and he comes out, beer in hand. This is a dood that thinks he's an expert in everything; he's been a master mason, a scratch golfer (if you saw him, you'd laugh at this claim), a master mechanic, etc etc etc...

ANYWAY. He comes out and says something like, "Boy, we're in real trouble if that Obama guy gets to be President...I don't know if we're ready to have a Muslim runnin' the country." I tell him he's not Muslim & that he's been a member of the same Catholic church in Chicago for over 20 years or so. He hurumphs and says something like, "Well I don't know...he wants to stay in Iraq for however long so I like McCain cuz he wants to bring the troops home.." :blink: I tell him he's got it backwards a bit & tell him McCain has said he's fine with us staying in Iraq for 100 years if need be. He hurumphs again and starts in on the "we should be drilling for oil here" and "screw the tree huggers, gas prices are ridiculous" blah blah blah....so I'm out there cuttin' branches wondering where this dood gets his info??? I just went with the get out of the convo "I think we're screwed no matter what cuz we're gonna be forced again to choose between the lesser of two negatives" and make a hasty retreat into my house and the A/C.

Point is, I'm pretty sure nothing I said had any effect on my neighbor whatsoever as his mind seems to be already made up no matter what he's told cuz he believes what he believes already. And so it is with political threads on message boards....people for the most part already believe what they believe & their minds aren't going to be changed by reading a post here or a post there.

So I'm out too, shk....but if I see BS, I can't promise that I won't fight the urge to contradict it. :happy:

[GeauxTo]

I'm with you shk....I think the reason I do is people like my neighbor. I was out trimming branches a couple weeks ago in my front yard so I wouldn't keep having to duck 'em when I mowed and he comes out, beer in hand. This is a dood that thinks he's an expert in everything; he's been a master mason, a scratch golfer (if you saw him, you'd laugh at this claim), a master mechanic, etc etc etc...

ANYWAY. He comes out and says something like, "Boy, we're in real trouble if that Obama guy gets to be President...I don't know if we're ready to have a Muslim runnin' the country." I tell him he's not Muslim & that he's been a member of the same Catholic church in Chicago for over 20 years or so. He hurumphs and says something like, "Well I don't know...he wants to stay in Iraq for however long so I like McCain cuz he wants to bring the troops home.." :blink: I tell him he's got it backwards a bit & tell him McCain has said he's fine with us staying in Iraq for 100 years if need be. He hurumphs again and starts in on the "we should be drilling for oil here" and "screw the tree huggers, gas prices are ridiculous" blah blah blah....so I'm out there cuttin' branches wondering where this dood gets his info??? I just went with the get out of the convo "I think we're screwed no matter what cuz we're gonna be forced again to choose between the lesser of two negatives" and make a hasty retreat into my house and the A/C.

Point is, I'm pretty sure nothing I said had any effect on my neighbor whatsoever as his mind seems to be already made up no matter what he's told cuz he believes what he believes already. And so it is with political threads on message boards....people for the most part already believe what they believe & their minds aren't going to be changed by reading a post here or a post there.

So I'm out too, shk....but if I see BS, I can't promise that I won't fight the urge to contradict it. :happy:


Well, so much for your intellectual prowess.;)

[WayzUp]

Well, so much for your intellectual prowess.;)

:confused: Ya lost me....has he or has he not been a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ since the mid-'80s? That's 20-something years, that's a Catholic/Christian church.... :confused:

[KRIEGER]

A MuhammadTube clip from a Christian Fundamentalist isn't going to add impartiality to the argument. Of course they're going to condemn anything and everything to do with Islam, the two religions have been at eachother's throats for eons.

And it's kind of impossible to vote a Muslim into office when there isn't one running.

You obviously haven't done any research on what Islam is and what it represents as a religion. It has nothing to do with the truth that the atheist turned Christian explained. Islam promotes murder, hatred, war, and pretty much everything negative that you can think of. Why? Because that is Satan's lie, to approach Muhammad as Allah- "The all knowing God" (I will show you who Muhammad REALLY is at the end). And you clearly didn't watch the second video...

By the way, Barack Oantichrist's father is Muslim. And once born a Muslim, always a Muslim. Unless they repent and convert over to Christianity, which everyone knows Barack hasn't done, hence the church he attended for twenty years living under this preacher's sermons of hatred:
8M-kD0QdRJk

First of all, how could we elect a Muslim (who endorses such things as murder, hatred, war, etc.) into office? Secondly, how could we elect a Muslim who's mentor is Jeremiah Wright? Might as well put Bin Laden in the fucking election (BTW Abdullah is Bin Laden, but that's been explained in my thread "The Beginning of the End" so fk it, morons). Abdullah as quoted in the bible: Destroyer.

Excuse my language but fuck Obama, and fuck Jeremiah Wright. And to clear things up, I am obviously not a Christian. But I do know the truth. Which is, through the Christian God - is the only way to get to heaven, and I contemplate becoming one every single day, don't get me wrong. So why won't I repent myself, might you ask? For the same reason that whoever is reading this won't. We enjoy free will far too much. And lust seems too strong to avoid. And why won't I call myself a Christian, since I know the "truth", might you ask? Because I hate hypocrites. So why become one?

The bottom line is, Allah is Satan. But believe what you wish, because it will be quite insubstantial during the seven year tribulation.

Now, I present to you the REAL author of the Holy Q'uran, Muhammad!
AKA artificial prophet
AKA Satanist
AKA straight up pedophile:
eJgPzOJT0lg

I do not trust that Muslim faggot, and if he DOES in fact get elected president, I'll be watching him like a hawk. He very well could be the antichrist. Wake up, America. And stop being such a dumbass.

[azamugg]

You obviously haven't done any research on what Islam is and what it represents as a religion. It has nothing to do with the truth that the atheist turned Christian explained. Islam promotes murder, hatred, war, and pretty much everything negative that you can think of. Why? Because that is Satan's lie, to approach Muhammad as Allah- "The all knowing God" (I will show you who Muhammad REALLY is at the end). And you clearly didn't watch the second video...

By the way, Barack Oantichrist's father is Muslim. And once born a Muslim, always a Muslim. Unless they repent and convert over to Christianity, which everyone knows Barack hasn't done, hence the church he attended for twenty years living under this preacher's sermons of hatred:
8M-kD0QdRJk

First of all, how could we elect a Muslim (who endorses such things as murder, hatred, war, etc.) into office? Secondly, how could we elect a Muslim who's mentor is Jeremiah Wright? Might as well put Bin Laden in the fucking election (BTW Abdullah is Bin Laden, but that's been explained in my thread "The Beginning of the End" so fk it, morons). Abdullah as quoted in the bible: Destroyer.

Excuse my language but fuck Obama, and fuck Jeremiah Wright. And to clear things up, I am obviously not a Christian. But I do know the truth. Which is, through the Christian God - is the only way to get to heaven, and I contemplate becoming one every single day, don't get me wrong. So why won't I repent myself, might you ask? For the same reason that whoever is reading this won't. We enjoy free will far too much. And lust seems too strong to avoid. And why won't I call myself a Christian, since I know the "truth", might you ask? Because I hate hypocrites. So why become one?

The bottom line is, Allah is Satan. But believe what you wish, because it will be quite insubstantial during the seven year tribulation.

Now, I present to you the REAL author of the Holy Q'uran, Muhammad!
AKA artificial prophet
AKA Satanist
AKA straight up pedophile:
eJgPzOJT0lg

I do not trust that Muslim faggot, and if he DOES in fact get elected president, I'll be watching him like a hawk. He very well could be the antichrist. Wake up, America. And stop being such a dumbass.


what, was my rant not as 'mature' as yours?

[KRIEGER]

what, was my rant not as 'mature' as yours?

It has nothing to do with "maturity". It has everything to do with stupidity.

[azamugg]

oh..........gotcha.........thanks for clearing that up

[WarEagle73]

We must stop this useless habit of looking at everything from a left vs. right political point of view. This is especially true when it comes to issues of foreign policy and particularly the issue of how to best combat terrorism. There use to be a saying of "politics stops at the water's edge" that served us well from the founding of our country until the mid-nineteen sixties. However, we as a country no longer present a united front on the world stage. We appear divided and thus weakened. To quote Abraham Lincoln, "A house divided against itself cannot stand". Those words of wisdom are just as true today as they were when Lincoln first spoke them in 1858.

First, we must realize that not all Muslims are terrorists, but at the same time we must admit that a sizable minority of them are. Once we come to realize this truth we must commit ourselves to fight these forces and destroy them. Along with this we must illustrate to the world that any attack on us will bring complete ruin to whatever group and or country is foolish enough to test us.

The reason we continue to see terrorist attacks around the globe is that they think they can achieve their stated goals by terrorist means. We have failed to break their will to fight. Every war ever won throughout history has one main common denominator. The victor pursued a strategy that broke the other side's will or ability to continue to struggle. We hammered Germany and Japan so thoroughly that even the most die-hard stalwarts saw that for them to continue to resist would not only result in their defeat, but would result in the total destruction of their country.

So, now the question is how can we brake their will to fight in light of the fact that most of the terrorist groups do not have clearly defined borders in the same manner of past enemies? How can we break them when they not only have a lack of fear for death but actively seek it out and glorify it for themselves and even their children? The answer to this is we must identify something that they do fear to lose. We must find something that if they lost it would cause them to at once realize the fight must end. Once, again history provides us with the answer. However, I'm left to wonder if we as a society have the intestinal fortitude to actually carry out such a course of action.

The answer I'm referring to is that which the war American fought against Japan teaches us. The similarities between the Japanese we fought in WWII an the Islamic terrorists of today are striking. They both are fighting for their God, they both scorn fear of death to the point of actively seeking it out, they both refuse to surrender, and both have illustrated a brutality that is nothing short of animalistic.

So, how did we finally vanquish a Japanese Empire that was willing to commit national suicide rather than end the war? Simply put, we made them actually stare extinction in the face. We made it clear that we were united in our quest to defeat them and that we were willing to completely wipe them from the face of the earth if necessary to achieve it. Once we made this fact clear to them, they threw in the towel. Japan is now a peaceful society and an American ally.

Am I saying we should nuke the entire Middle East? No, but we must make it very clear to them that we will hold nothing back to destroy those that will seek to do the same to us. We must show them that in a war against us, there is no win as far as they are concerned. In fact, there is no surviving for their way of life if it continues. We must show the rest of the Muslim world that if they don't get their own extreme idiots to stop, they will be consumed in the conflagration that will result. At the same time we must make it clear that there is another path that is possible. That path is peace. If they are willing to live in peace with us and the rest of the world, then they will in turn enjoy the sweet fruits of such a peace.

The choice between peaceful coexistence is entirely up to them. It's up to us to explain the two choices and to clearly illustrate the consequences that will result from them choosing to live in peace or continue on the current path and be wiped from the face of the planet. Break their will to fight, that is the only way any war can be won.

[WayzUp]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

[GeauxTo]

:confused: Ya lost me....has he or has he not been a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ since the mid-'80s? That's 20-something years, that's a Catholic/Christian church.... :confused:

Unless I've missed something, the United Church of Christ is Protestant, not Catholic.
:)

[KRIEGER]

Good post, 73. But tell me, how can the war we're referring to be won? It's impossible. World peace is simply an illusion usually portrayed by liberated pacifists that are unable to fathom the entire truth.

In other words, it's not possible to break the Islamic's will to fight. There will always be terrorism. There will always be war. The war between extreme Islamics/Christians will be the final war before the end of the world. Bottom line

[KRIEGER]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Funny thing... An ex of mine sent me that exact same link today (with nothing else to add to the link)! Trust me on this one: She's an absolute moron.

Could it be that you two are too influenced by the media? Yes, I believe so.

Too bad she's 12 years younger than you though. :sad:

[WarEagle73]

Good post, 73. But tell me, how can the war we're referring to be won? It's impossible. World peace is simply an illusion usually portrayed by liberated pacifists that are unable to fathom the entire truth.

In other words, it's not possible to break the Islamic's will to fight. There will always be terrorism. There will always be war. The war between extreme Islamics/Christians will be the final war before the end of the world. Bottom line



Your right in your assessment that there will be no such thing as world peace. However, we can make it very clear to terrorists (and everyone else) that making war against the US will result in their complete and total ruin. If we show them that for them to attack us could and would result in the obliteration of their entire society, they will relent just as Japan did. They were no less fanatical than the enemy we face today. To quote Teddy Roosevelt, "Walk softly but carry a big stick". That should be our watchword.

[KRIEGER]

Your right in your assessment that there will be no such thing as world peace. However, we can make it very clear to terrorists (and everyone else) that making war against the US will result in their complete and total ruin. If we show them that for them to attack us could and would result in the obliteration of their entire society, they will relent just as Japan did. They were no less fanatical than the enemy we face today. To quote Teddy Roosevelt, "Walk softly but carry a big stick". That should be our watchword.

That makes sense, but sorry, I just can't compare WWII to the Holy War that will wipe out 1/3 of mankind.

[WarEagle73]

That makes sense, but sorry, I just can't compare WWII to the Holy War that will wipe out 1/3 of mankind.


I think what you miss, is that in the eyes of every Japanese soldier manning a pillbox on some speck in the ocean all the way to the poorly trained and half drunk pilots ramming their obsolete zeros and Kates into American ships up the chain of command to the generals & admirals, it was a holy war sanctioned by their God.

[KRIEGER]

I think what you miss, is that in the eyes of every Japanese soldier manning a pillbox on some speck in the ocean all the way to the poorly trained and half drunk pilots ramming their obsolete zeros and Kates into American ships up the chain of command to the generals & admirals, it was a holy war sanctioned by their God.

The Japs did it for their country. The Islamics do it for "Allah". That is the main difference here. Yes, both have atrocious perspectives on life, but only one of them did it to defy the true living God. I personally don't believe that the generals & admirals of Japan in the 40's were influenced by Satan himself.

[WarEagle73]

The Japs did it for their country. The Islamics do it for "Allah". That is the main difference here. Yes, both have atrocious perspectives on life, but only one of them did it to defy the true living God. I personally don't believe that the generals & admirals of Japan in the 40's were influenced by Satan himself.


What they were influenced by was their belief that their emperor was God. Up until the end of WWII the Emperor of Japan was to the people of Japan God, literally. They thought he was god and they viewed suicide for him in the same way the Islamic terrorists do today.

[KRIEGER]

What they were influenced by was their belief that their emperor was God. Up until the end of WWII the Emperor of Japan was to the people of Japan God, literally. They thought he was god and they viewed suicide for him in the same way the Islamic terrorists do today.

Did Hirohito have a bible written about himself as well? :laugh: The kamikazes in WWII were simply brainwashed by a political mastermind. The Islamic terrorists are brainwashed by a religious mastermind. In the end, religion will overthrow politics.

[WarEagle73]

Did Hirohito have a bible written about himself as well? :laugh: The kamikazes in WWII were simply brainwashed by a political mastermind. The Islamic terrorists are brainwashed by a religious mastermind. In the end, religion will overthrow politics.


I'm not that sure of Japanese religious texts. ;) But I can assure you that Hirohito was just as much God to the Japanese as Allah is to Muslims. It was to him and alone they gave their loyalty and it was for him they fought and died. They were actually far more fanatical in their service to him than most terrorists are today. If you study the Pacific campaign in WWII you will see that in most instances Japanese garrisons would fight until they were killed to the last man. That includes handing out grenades to the wounded so they would not have to surrender and dishonor their Emperor God. If the Islamic terrorists were as devoted to Allah as the Japanese were to Hirohito, then Gitmo would be empty.

[Sabanocchio]

Last week, Obama was the antichrist. Now he's a muslim.

When is he going to be a person with good intentions and ability to lead, such as we haven't seen for the past 8 years? Never in some of your minds I'm sure.

Obama is not a Muslim. Even if he was, I truly don't see how that has any bearing on his ability to lead the country. He is a man with good intentions and a vision for the future such as we don't have in any other candidate, IMO.

The thing about this election and all the arguing an bickering is, surely we all can admit that no matter who is elected to office in November, it will be a more capable and astute leader than the one we've somehow allowed to run this country down the toilet for nearly a decade.

IMO though, the last thing we need is a leader that is simply going to pick up where the old one left off and continue the downward spiral toward the barbaric nature of our too-recent history. We need someone to stand up and say "Enough is enough" and it's time to restore this nation to it's rightful place as one of the most civilized nations in the free world and one that demands respect both here and abroad.

[gatorunvrsty]

Your right in your assessment that there will be no such thing as world peace. However, we can make it very clear to terrorists (and everyone else) that making war against the US will result in their complete and total ruin. If we show them that for them to attack us could and would result in the obliteration of their entire society, they will relent just as Japan did. They were no less fanatical than the enemy we face today. To quote Teddy Roosevelt, "Walk softly but carry a big stick". That should be our watchword.

That has been our watchword for the last 60 years; and we've been totin' a big stick ever since we tested it out on Japan. That's why it's so absurd to believe any of the Chicken Little rants that are little more than scare tactics to sway voters. No nation would attack the continental United States militarily with conventional arms. The terrorists we're stuck with, because no matter how much you spend on ships, planes, and tanks, you can't actually use any of that stuff against them. We can't use any of that sh*t here in our own country, and we can't use it abroad when most of those POS mingle with the population. All that weaponry is good for is if there's an actual war against a nation... not a war against a bunch of hoodlums running around with AK's and rocket launchers that we sold them in the first place. As for ICBM's, well, if anybody was actually insane enough to launch those, there's not much we could do anyway, except launch our own back.

[Sabanocchio]

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs10/300W/i/2006/099/f/4/The_Antichrist_by_ILoveSadie.jpg

[KRIEGER]

Last week, Obama was the antichrist. Now he's a muslim.

When is he going to be a person with good intentions and ability to lead, such as we haven't seen for the past 8 years? Never in some of your minds I'm sure.

Obama is not a Muslim. Even if he was, I truly don't see how that has any bearing on his ability to lead the country. He is a man with good intentions and a vision for the future such as we don't have in any other candidate, IMO.

The thing about this election and all the arguing an bickering is, surely we all can admit that no matter who is elected to office in November, it will be a more capable and astute leader than the one we've somehow allowed to run this country down the toilet for nearly a decade.

IMO though, the last thing we need is a leader that is simply going to pick up where the old one left off and continue the downward spiral toward the barbaric nature of our too-recent history. We need someone to stand up and say "Enough is enough" and it's time to restore this nation to it's rightful place as one of the most civilized nations in the free world and one that demands respect both here and abroad.

There's an extremely good chance of him being the antichrist, son. Do some research. Hell, just read the bible. And yes, he is a Muslim. To break it down for some of you delusional middle-aged morons here, the only difference between a Muslim and a Satanist is the fact that the Muslims do not even know who they are truly worshiping/wasting their life on. The Satanists, however, do accept Satan with adoration.

You speak of a true leader to lead this country. I watched Ojesus's campaign speech about the future. He didn't speak one bit about HOW he is going to bring about change, he simply said exactly what the American people wanted to hear.

Antichrist or not, I don't trust him. Just look at his past and what he grew up in. His father was a Muslim turned atheist (which is completely asinine, referring to atheism as a religion is like referring to baldness as a hair color. and isn't the Islamic religion: Born a Muslim, always a Muslim). Which isn't true, because anyone can repent and convert to ANY religion if they wish. Obama obviously has made no stride whatsoever, given the church of hatred that he went to for 20 years. Did I mention Jeremiah Wright was one of his TOP mentors? He saw this man as a father figure. Ridiculous.

"Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama Sr. (black muslim) of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and Ann Dunham of Wichita, Kansas. (white atheist ).

When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced and his father returned to Kenya. His mother married Lolo Soetoro -- a Muslim -- moving to Jakarta with Obama when he was six years old. Within six months he had learned to speak the Indonesian language Obama spent "two years in a Muslim school, then two more in a Catholic school" in Jakarta. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim while admitting that he was onc e a Muslim, mitigating that damning information by saying that, for two years, he also attended a Catholic school.

Obama's father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was a radical Muslim who migrated from Kenya to Jakarta, Indonesia. He met Obama's mother, Ann Dunham—a white atheist from Wichita, Kansas—at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. Obama, Sr. and Dunham divorced when Barack, Jr. was two. Obama's spinmeisters are now attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam came from his father and that influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya immediately following the divorce and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Dunham married another Muslim, Lolo Soetoro who educated his stepson as a good Muslim by enrolling him in one of Jakarta's Wahabbi schools. Wahabbism is the radical teaching that created the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad on the industrialized world. Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when you are seeking political office in the United States, Obama joined the United Church of Christ to help purge any notion that he is still a Muslim."

na5iHBDHpvY

But hey, you have your beliefs. I have mine. So go ahead, vote someone with ties to Satan into American office. Personally, if he wins, there is no doubt in my mind that he is in fact the antichrist. I will be watching his every move and exposing him to you all. Unbelievable, huh? (http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/06/14/obama-website-lies-about-his-muslim-roots/)

[Zee]

damn we suck as a country. we've already elected one Anti-Christ and now we're on the verge of electing another.../sarcasm

http://www.bushisantichrist.com/

(exhibit 5 is hilarious)

[KRIEGER]

damn we suck as a country. we've already elected one Anti-Christ and now we're on the verge of electing another.../sarcasm

http://www.bushisantichrist.com/

(exhibit 5 is hilarious)

The antichrist will come in peace.
Look up war in the dictionary, and Bush's fat face is right next to it.

From now on, if anyone wants to debate whether or not Barack is the antichrist, read the bible first. The Christian bible, that is. Not Obama's Q'uran.

[Sabanocchio]

There's an extremely good chance of him being the antichrist, son. Do some research. Hell, just read the bible. And yes, he is a Muslim. To break it down for some of you delusional middle-aged morons here, the only difference between a Muslim and a Satanist is the fact that the Muslims do not even know who they are truly worshiping/wasting their life on. The Satanists, however, do accept Satan with adoration.

You speak of a true leader to lead this country. I watched Ojesus's campaign speech about the future. He didn't speak one bit about HOW he is going to bring about change, he simply said exactly what the American people wanted to hear.

Antichrist or not, I don't trust him. Just look at his past and what he grew up in. His father was a Muslim turned atheist (which is completely asinine, referring to atheism as a religion is like referring to baldness as a hair color. and isn't the Islamic religion: Born a Muslim, always a Muslim). Which isn't true, because anyone can repent and convert to ANY religion if they wish. Obama obviously has made no stride whatsoever, given the church of hatred that he went to for 20 years. Did I mention Jeremiah Wright was one of his TOP mentors? He saw this man as a father figure. Ridiculous.



na5iHBDHpvY

But hey, you have your beliefs. I have mine. So go ahead, vote someone with ties to Satan into American office. Personally, if he wins, there is no doubt in my mind that he is in fact the antichrist. I will be watching his every move and exposing him to you all. Unbelievable, huh? (http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/06/14/obama-website-lies-about-his-muslim-roots/)
Do you understand how ridiculous you sound? You seriously need to live in the real world for awhile young-un.

I have read the bible and my grandfather has written an excellent commentary on the entire book of Revelation that I have read and I promise you I know a hell of a lot more than you do on the subject.

But what you are talking about is bordering on a mental condition. Obama certainly isn't a muslim and there is a huge difference between a Muslim and a Satanist. Just because someone believes differently than you do does not make them devil-worshipers. I am very close friends with a number of muslims and I can safely say that their devotion to their religion is stronger than most Christians I know and to call them Satanists is uneducated psychobabble.

[SeanVol]

So you understand how ridiculous you sound? You seriously need to live in the real world for awhile young-un.

I have read the bible and my grandfather has written an excellent commentary on the entire book of Revelation that I have read and I promise you I know a hell of a lot more than you do on the subject.

But what you are talking about is bordering on a mental condition. Obama certainly isn't a muslim and there is a huge difference between a Muslim and a Satanist. Just because someone believes differently than you do does not make them devil-worshipers. I am very close friends with a number of muslims and I can safely say that their devotion to their religion is stronger than most Christians I know and to call them Satanists is uneducated psychobabble.

Not all Muslims are bad, case and point: the guy who is in charge of keep up the Place where Jesus was born is Muslim.

[KRIEGER]

You seriously need to live in the real world for awhile young-un.

So, by using your irrational logic, AGE is the defining factor that separates insanity from genius? Talk about ridiculous...

I have read the bible and my grandfather has written an excellent commentary on the entire book of Revelation that I have read and I promise you I know a hell of a lot more than you do on the subject.

Good for him? I'm proud? That still has absolutely nothing to do with where your perspectives on the subject lie. If you have honestly read Revelations, which you clearly haven't, then you would admit that Obama resembles the antichrist in every way possible. I just put a label on it because I'm extremely observant hence the man was born with a Muslim father.

But what you are talking about is bordering on a mental condition. Obama certainly isn't a muslim and there is a huge difference between a Muslim and a Satanist. Just because someone believes differently than you do does not make them devil-worshipers. I am very close friends with a number of muslims and I can safely say that their devotion to their religion is stronger than most Christians I know and to call them Satanists is uneducated psychobabble.

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Sorry, but you just won the "most delusional" award on SECtalk. Allah is Satan, but believe what you wish and watch how much I care. ;)

[Sabanocchio]

So, by using your irrational logic, AGE is the defining factor that separates insanity from genius? Talk about ridiculous...
You're right. I didn't mean to insinuate that and I apologize.


Good for him? I'm proud? That still has absolutely nothing to do with where your perspectives on the subject lie. If you have honestly read Revelations, which you clearly haven't, then you would admit that Obama resembles the antichrist in every way possible. I just put a label on it because I'm extremely observant hence the man was born with a Muslim father.
Dude, I have read Revelations, in fact, I have read it many times over. It was always my favorite book in the New Testament. I form my views based on other things than solely the Bible. Sorry. I just can't put all my faith into a book written by a desperate man in exile on Patmos. I have other things I base my opinions on as well such as past occurrences and reality.


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Sorry, but you just won the "most delusional" award on SECtalk. Allah is Satan, but believe what you wish and watch how much I care. ;)
Please explain how you feel anything I have written is based in or exhibits any form of delusion. I will be waiting. Saying the Muslims pray to Satan is a tad more delusional in most people's eyes than anything that I can think of to write.

[WayzUp]

So, by using your irrational logic, AGE is the defining factor that separates insanity from genius? Talk about ridiculous...
So says the hypocrite who used an ex-girlfriend as being six years younger than me as some sort of an argument against me in this very thread. :rolleyes:

Not surprising given that most people so convinced that their viewpoint is the only possible alternative (as Krieger so obviously is) will use or dismiss anything to suit their position, even if it contradicts something they've said or used in that same argument. And without fail, when given facts or even plausible alternatives in an argument that goes against what they so wholly believe, they inevitably resort to personal attacks and attempt to patronize, no matter how insane they make themselves sound in the process....just as Krieger has in this and other threads.

It's useless Sab...just let him go.... :glare:

[Sabanocchio]

Well said, Wayz. An open mind leaves a chance for someone to drop a worthwhile thought in it. That wouldn't hurt our friend a bit.

[adamsputnik]

Carry on with this debate, it's piss-funny :thumpsup:

Obama the AntiChrist - spare me! Sounds like Krieger is just doing a huge piss-take in this thread. Winding us up, so to speak ;)

[Sabanocchio]

Carry on with this debate, it's piss-funny :thumpsup:

Obama the AntiChrist - spare me! Sounds like Krieger is just doing a huge piss-take in this thread. Winding us up, so to speak ;)

The truly sad part about it is, I'm pretty sure he's not joking. He actually thinks that. WOW.

[WarEagle73]

That has been our watchword for the last 60 years; and we've been totin' a big stick ever since we tested it out on Japan. That's why it's so absurd to believe any of the Chicken Little rants that are little more than scare tactics to sway voters. No nation would attack the continental United States militarily with conventional arms. The terrorists we're stuck with, because no matter how much you spend on ships, planes, and tanks, you can't actually use any of that stuff against them. We can't use any of that sh*t here in our own country, and we can't use it abroad when most of those POS mingle with the population. All that weaponry is good for is if there's an actual war against a nation... not a war against a bunch of hoodlums running around with AK's and rocket launchers that we sold them in the first place. As for ICBM's, well, if anybody was actually insane enough to launch those, there's not much we could do anyway, except launch our own back.


Actually it is their knowledge that we will not use our nuclear option that lays bare the truth that we no longer "carry the big stick". Once it becomes apparent that a weapon cannot or will not be used then that weapon is no longer effective.

They are fully aware that they can strike with impunity, safe in the knowledge that we will not strike back in any manner that they are not ready to accept. Thus, they continue their fight. They will continue to do so until we finally strike back in a way to break their will to fight as well as those that wile not actually participating in the war, still support or tolerate their actions.

I'm not saying it is right or moral to vaporize millions to squash terrorism against us once and for all. What I am saying is that is the only way to successfully remove ourselves from their list of viable targets. Either we accept this fact or we accept the fact that they will continue to target us more and more. We also must realize that eventually one or another group will acquire nuclear weapons. I wonder if when that day comes, will they have the same moral qualms about actually using such a weapon on us that we do on them?

[SeanVol]

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs10/300W/i/2006/099/f/4/The_Antichrist_by_ILoveSadie.jpg

http://www.esquilax.com/baywatch/devil2.gif
http://www.esquilax.com/baywatch/devil1.jpg

[zartan]

i loathe all this religious crap...wasn't the separation of church and state considered important in this country at one time?...

[KRIEGER]

The antichrist is Barack Hussein Obama. I have nothing more to say here, or else this will go on and on. The fact that nobody will even acknowledge what the bible says is overwhelming.


Read this, think, then have a look in the mirror:
"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation." 2 Peter 3:3-4


We are told quite a bit about this coming world leader, Satan’s counterfeit messiah, who will someday soon rise to power. So let's just take a look at the facts for a second:

- He will be indwelt and empowered by Satan (He is a Muslim, and Islam is a religion based on a false prophet who wrote the Qur'an after an encounter with Satan, do some research)
- He will rise to power over 10 nations (Yet to be proven, but extremely reasonable)
- He will somehow be 'diverse from the rest' (This is incredibly self-explanatory)
- He will bring peace, yet conquer through treaties and war (Offering peace, the rest is yet to be proven)
- He will be very, very popular around the world (This one sticks out particularly to me. People all over the world talk about Obama, and how they love him so dearly, it's incredible how mesmerized people are from his speeches)
- He will be a great talker and speech maker (This is when my first assumption came to mind and I thought, "hey, this guy could be the antichrist". That was the first democratic debate I watched...)
- He will likely be charismatic and physically attractive, like King Saul (He is the most charismatic and intellectual person I've ever witnessed)

These are yet to be proven, but I will be watching him like a hawk:

- He will enforce a "peace" plan or resolution [covenant] upon nation Israel(It doesn’t say he signs this treaty, but he enforces some coming 'peace plan' or resolution)
- He may help to get the new Jewish Temple built in Jerusalem
- He will appear to perform miracles (deceitful signs and wonders)
- He will require that everybody on Earth receive a mark or identification on their forehead or hand and nobody will legally be able to buy or sell without it
- He will stand in a new Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and declare he is "God"
- Unspeakable terror and war will then engulf Earth for exactly 3½ years (1260 days)
- He will direct the slaughter of millions of Christians and Jews
- He will lead the armies of the world into Israel... Armageddon.


I know you will come back at me trying to prove yourself to be superior, because of my age. That's ok, it's totally understandable. All I'm saying is acknowledge what the bible has written, and keep your eye on Obama as he takes his throne. This is the end times, but believe what you wish.

20 Fulfilled Prophetic Signs Proving the Second Coming of Jesus (http://www.bibleuniverse.com/prophecy/prophecies.asp)

[KRIEGER]

i loathe all this religious crap...wasn't the separation of church and state considered important in this country at one time?...

Neutral men are Satan's allies.

[zartan]

Neutral men are Satan's allies.
you're right, i apologize. Obama is the anti-christ, the bible is 100% correct. any word on the Easter Bunny, while we're at it?

since we're making sweeping and unfair generalizations, do you want explain how all that black metal you listen to doesn't make YOU the satanist anti-Christ, hmm?....

[KRIEGER]

you're right, i apologize. Obama is the anti-christ, the bible is 100% correct. any word on the Easter Bunny, while we're at it?

I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you're thirty three years old. I sure hope you don't have children, because I noticed you're still hanging on to the Big Bang theory that your science teacher taught you fifteen years ago.

[KRIEGER]

since we're making sweeping and unfair generalizations, do you want explain how all that black metal you listen to doesn't make YOU the satanist anti-Christ, hmm?....

Who said I wasn't a Satanist? I was one up until a couple weeks ago to be honest. Right now, I'm just in the mood to witness the fall of mankind. Simply because I love being right, and proving others wrong. I will most certainly turn my life over to the Lord when the seven year tribulation is upon us. Right now, I am enjoying free will, and I loathe the fact that a higher power is holding my every action accountable.

[adamsputnik]

The antichrist is Barack Hussein Obama. I have nothing more to say here, or else this will go on and on. The fact that nobody will even acknowledge what the bible says is overwhelming.


Read this, think, then have a look in the mirror:

*dribble*



Well, I guess this proves it then.

You can't even argue this stuff, as there's nothing to argue. No substance at all. So because Obama can whip a few thousand black folks and impressionable college students into a frenzy, he's the Anti-Christ?

You really are winding us up.

P.S On a side-note, the chick on the upper left is extremely hot :thumpsup:

[zartan]

Who said I wasn't a Satanist? I was one up until a couple weeks ago to be honest. Right now, I'm just in the mood to witness the fall of mankind. Simply because I love being right, and proving others wrong. I will most certainly turn my life over to the Lord when the seven year tribulation is upon us. Right now, I am enjoying free will, and I loathe the fact that a higher power is holding my every action accountable.
c'mon Krieger, nobody likes a fair-weather Satanist....

[gatorunvrsty]

Actually it is their knowledge that we will not use our nuclear option that lays bare the truth that we no longer "carry the big stick". Once it becomes apparent that a weapon cannot or will not be used then that weapon is no longer effective.

They are fully aware that they can strike with impunity, safe in the knowledge that we will not strike back in any manner that they are not ready to accept. Thus, they continue their fight. They will continue to do so until we finally strike back in a way to break their will to fight as well as those that wile not actually participating in the war, still support or tolerate their actions.

I'm not saying it is right or moral to vaporize millions to squash terrorism against us once and for all. What I am saying is that is the only way to successfully remove ourselves from their list of viable targets. Either we accept this fact or we accept the fact that they will continue to target us more and more. We also must realize that eventually one or another group will acquire nuclear weapons. I wonder if when that day comes, will they have the same moral qualms about actually using such a weapon on us that we do on them?

Well, quite a few nations with less-than-sane leaders are already nuclear. And, I don't doubt for a second that some are not on the same moral plane as we are. But, if anyone was going to light somebody up for repeated terrorist attacks, it'd have been Israel... long ago; and they very nearly did. That kind of puts things into perspective. The U.S. terrorist problem is more like a mosquito compared to Middle Eastern, or even European nations. It's kind of like living in L.A.... sure, there's probably always going to be a gang problem, but the U.S. would be Beverly Hills, and very little of that blight on society ever really gets to them, compared to the rest of the city.

If anything, vaporizing a nation to "show them we mean business", would only strengthen the resolve of the other billion Muslims who aren't militant. If you want to see a true modern day version of the Crusades, do what you suggest. You'll have every friggin' Muslim male under the age of 80 taking up the cause... even the ones who had no intention of doing so before. I'm afraid the war on terror is here to stay, like the war on drugs. All we can do is continue to battle it in the little theatres where it exists. There will always be crazy people and extremists who will take their pot shots where they can. How would you even know which nation to destroy? They come from about 20 different ones... how do you decide who to sacrifice to prove your point?

And, who gave us the right to make those decisions in the first place? Some decisions about who gets to exist and who doesn't are above our pay grade... wouldn't you agree?

[gatorunvrsty]

Who said I wasn't a Satanist? I was one up until a couple weeks ago to be honest. Right now, I'm just in the mood to witness the fall of mankind. Simply because I love being right, and proving others wrong. I will most certainly turn my life over to the Lord when the seven year tribulation is upon us. Right now, I am enjoying free will, and I loathe the fact that a higher power is holding my every action accountable.

What does repeated failure feel like? ;)

[KRIEGER]

What does repeated failure feel like? ;)

Where is the proof that I am wrong MY POINT EXACTLY THANKS COME AGAIN.

[Sabanocchio]

The antichrist is Barack Hussein Obama. I have nothing more to say here, or else this will go on and on. The fact that nobody will even acknowledge what the bible says is overwhelming.


Read this, think, then have a look in the mirror:



We are told quite a bit about this coming world leader, Satan’s counterfeit messiah, who will someday soon rise to power. So let's just take a look at the facts for a second:

- He will be indwelt and empowered by Satan (He is a Muslim, and Islam is a religion based on a false prophet who wrote the Qur'an after an encounter with Satan, do some research) Muhammad certainly had encounters with the spirit world. Did God give Muhammad authority over Satan as it is reported of Jesus? Did God protect him from the demonic forces, or did Satan gain influence over Muhammad? Was Muhammad even demon-possessed? These are important questions.

The following articles derive their conclusions from a careful study of the Muslim sources and are good starting points for an exploration of this topic: here (http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/M/muhammad_and_satan.html)
- He will rise to power over 10 nations (Yet to be proven, but extremely reasonable)Sounds a lot like Hitler to me.
- He will somehow be 'diverse from the rest' (This is incredibly self-explanatory)Who isn't?
- He will bring peace, yet conquer through treaties and war (Offering peace, the rest is yet to be proven)Did I mention a dude named Hitler?
- He will be very, very popular around the world (This one sticks out particularly to me. People all over the world talk about Obama, and how they love him so dearly, it's incredible how mesmerized people are from his speeches)Oh, oh. You're exactly right. He is popular around the world. here (http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/05/world/fg-worldreax5) That is not allowed! We can't have a leader that is liked by everyone! We have to have an incompetent moron in office that is only looking out for his/her best interests. Satan help us all.
- He will be a great talker and speech maker (This is when my first assumption came to mind and I thought, "hey, this guy could be the antichrist". That was the first democratic debate I watched...)There was this guy this one time. Uh, uh. He was the same way. I think his name was Adolf Hitler.
- He will likely be charismatic and physically attractive, like King Saul (He is the most charismatic and intellectual person I've ever witnessed)Wow you knew king Saul? That's awfully convenient! Being that he lived thousands of years ago and no one knew what he looked like. The scriptures are filled with kings, prophets, priests and even a Disciple of Jesus who were definitely called by the Lord but who then failed to do His will. Let us focus on one instructive example, the very first monarch of Israel: King Saul.

Saul Denounced by Samuel (Guy Rowe, CC-Art.com)



Just as surely as Saul was chosen by the Lord to be King, the Lord rejected Saul later when he failed as King. I Samuel 13 records how Saul disobeyed a direct order from the Lord and how Samuel immediately told him that his kingdom would not be established (his line would not continue as Kings of Israel) and also that the Lord had already chosen another to take Saul's place as King. Yeah Saul was really intellectual. So much, in fact that he failed as king and tried to kill David who was destined to be king in his stead. You really know a lot about the bible don't you. I guess those Allister Crowley books aren't quite working for you anymore.
These are yet to be proven, but I will be watching him like a hawk:

- He will enforce a "peace" plan or resolution [covenant] upon nation Israel(It doesn’t say he signs this treaty, but he enforces some coming 'peace plan' or resolution)
- He may help to get the new Jewish Temple built in Jerusalem
- He will appear to perform miracles (deceitful signs and wonders) Yeah Obama restored this blind man's sight in Cleveland the other day. He has to be the antichrist. :closedeye
- He will require that everybody on Earth receive a mark or identification on their forehead or hand and nobody will legally be able to buy or sell without it
- He will stand in a new Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and declare he is "God"There is an awful lot that Obama is gonna do for the jews isn't there? You would almost forget that he was Muslim and they HATE THE JEWS!:eek: :rolleyes:
- Unspeakable terror and war will then engulf Earth for exactly 3½ years (1260 days) Now I'm not saying Hitler is the antichrist here. I am just dutifully pointing out the similarities. Which, so far seem to be much more applicable than they would be to Obama.
- He will direct the slaughter of millions of Christians and Jews
- He will lead the armies of the world into Israel... Armageddon.

Yeah that's happening. Everybody put your life vests on and hope for the best.
I know you will come back at me trying to prove yourself to be superior, because of my age. That's ok, it's totally understandable. All I'm saying is acknowledge what the bible has written, and keep your eye on Obama as he takes his throne. This is the end times, but believe what you wish. No I won't do that. I was young once too. But I wasn't stupid.

20 Fulfilled Prophetic Signs Proving the Second Coming of Jesus (http://www.bibleuniverse.com/prophecy/prophecies.asp)
Thanks for that link. It says:

• The Antichrist comes from within the church. (Acts 20:30; 2 Thessalonians 2:4)
• and then takes up residence in the church (2 Thessalonians 2:4)
• The Antichrist rules for a long period of time. (Revelation 13:5, 12:6, 12:14; Daniel 7:25)Bush "ruled" for eight years, which is the longest time any American leader will ever lead again. Could he be the antichrist? This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever had to point/counterpoint and being that you are a self-proclaimed former Satanist, forgive me if I doubt your judgment as well as your cognitive capabilities.

[cocky4ever]

Well, I finally had time to read this whole thread so I guess I should respond.

Damn, where do I even start...I guess with the easiest thing to counter. Now, sure I think Obama sucks...but he cant be the anti-christ. Doesnt the Bible say that the anti-christ will be the ruler of the world? Doesnt it also talk about a one world govt.? Well, we dont have a one world govt. yet so its not possible to rule the whole world yet. Sure we have the EU, and while it looks like we are making our way towards a NAU(North American Union) it certainly wont be done in the next 4-8 years. Plus there would have to be other Unions around the world AND they would all have to at some point become one big Union. So even if you do believe the Bible it will still be a while(relatively speaking) before those things occur.

To keep this post from being too big I'll continue below...

[cocky4ever]

As for the Muslim thing it gets old...especially since its always Geaux posting the same old" every Muslim wants you and your family dead" crap. For anyone who believes that I would like to ask how many Muslims do you know personally? People can learn a lot about the world by becoming acquainted with people who are different than themselves instead of surrounding yourself with people who think the exact same way you do. Muslims in this country do a great job of living peacefully among others. The same is true with a lot of countries. To lump all Muslims together(or to even assume that you know what a sizable percentage of 1 BILLION people think) is retarded.

Sure we face a problem, but its fanatics and not people who just want to live their normal everyday life and happen to pray to a different God. How do we start to solve the problem? Well, its like bush2.0 said its a war against an ideal. We have to fight it through intelligence gathering. We'll never get rid of them, all we can do is track them and keep them contained. However, doing things like invading Iraq(the complete opposite of how bushv.2.0 said we should fight the enemy in his 9-11 speech) only make the problem worse. Where do you think the violent verses in the Quran came from? When Muhammad took his people to set up their own city away from persecution things were fine for a while. Guess what, not many(if any) violent verses put in the Quran during that time. Once others started attacking the city Muhammad started instructing his followers about what to do. Sure there are extremely violent verses in the Quran, but in context they are just about defending yourself. Funny how Christians are so quick to say "yeah, but you have to look at the Bible in the right context" only to turn around and cherry pick a few verses from the Quran with no background information.

We cant invade countries and turn everyday peoples lives upside down. That just makes more terrorist. We have to fight the actual groups. And we certainly cant just blow the crap out of the place. Lets see....we face a dangerous group that is evil because they are willing to kill innocent people to achieve their goal. How do we fix the problem? Kill millions of innocent people. Now theres some logic for ya.

[JerryBeeds]

Sometimes its just best to let some threads die. JMO.

[gatorunvrsty]

Sometimes its just best to let some threads die. JMO.

Ain't that the truth... of course, "Those Evil Little Ragheads" part 2,475 will just come out tomorrow.:ohbfrank: Know what's truly ironic? All this hateful and spitefull rhetoric from self-proclaimed Christians is actually making Anti-Christian a positive attribute. Hate is hate... I don't care who's spouting it. And the Muslims who ARE terrorists started out the exact same way as these so-called "Christians". The terrorist recruiters say the very same things about Christians and Jews that these "Christians" are saying about Muslims. It's the first step on the stairway to extremism and fanaticism.

[UKat]

The Muslims who actually want to perform Jihad and wipe us off the face of the planet are just like the group of Snake Worshipers out in Eastern Kentucky, or the scmucks from Kansas who protest at soldiers funerals, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (yes, it's a not so subtle jab), or other Christian's of that ilk.

These are people who take things to the extreme.

However, it's not really easy to read someone's mind and know what their intent is. But at the same time, you can't just blackball all Muslims because of a few bad apples. Going to Baghdad or Tehran and just dropping the bomb isn't the answer, not that I do know what it is.Puddin, those folks aren't Christians........there is nothing Christian about them, they are modern day Pharisees and haters.

[UKat]

Aza go screw yourself you god damn internet bully. I realize that Christianity has changed, but it did at one time kill people in the name of religion. If you look at Islam it is as old as Christianity was when Christianity was burning heretics at the stake via the Spanish Inquistion and other niceties.

If you look at my posts my point was it has nothing to do with religion it is intolerance. The intolerance shown with Islamic fundamentalists is like hate crimes you see in this country against other races and people who have different sexual preferences. However, Islam is not 100% intolerant. It is only the Fundamentalists. If you disagree with my agreements please do not call me retarded. I do not appreciate.Please I ask you, don't use my Lord's name in vein...........you relegate the name of God to nothing but a slang curse word. Why is it that folks have to use God's name in vein.........because you don't respect it.

[UKat]

Yep. I stayed out of this one from jump... the title told me enough. All I would've asked is, "Who is we, anyway?", in response to the question of who are we welcoming into our midst? Hell, this go-around it's the damn conservatives who want more lax immigration, and are pushing to grant amnesty to all the current illegals in this country. The position was so unlike Republicans, I had to research it further to find out why and when they got a heart for the little guy all of a sudden. And there it was. Bush and other conservatives were pushing for it because Mexicans provided cheap labor alternatives that their fat cats didn't have to provide insurance, unemployment, or worker's comp for. Of course, the baggage that comes along with that is all the additional undesirables, criminals, and terrorists are also in that group. This may be the one issue where I side with McCain. He has repeatedly banged heads with conservatives on this issue, and will not change his stance, no matter how much pressure they put on him. On this issue, though, he also does propose a corporate tax cut of 10%, from 35% to 25%, in what he believes will be an effort to entice corporations to keep jobs in the U.S.. And, I will reaffirm my point that Bush has already tried that; and all it's accomplished is the big corporations just take the tax breaks and run with the money for themselves... they don't provide anything for the common man with the tax savings, and they're still sending jobs to friggin' India and Pakistan. It's that simple.

As for the "sky is falling" rants and misunderstandings about Islam, I can't get into another one of those. If anybody is stupid enough to think all Muslims are the same, and that they all follow the same distorted interpretation of the Qu'ran that the extremists do, then whatever I say can't help them. People who say things like that have never read the book, and/or have never compared the writings to the Bible. They both claim to be the one true path; and what people just don't see, including the extremists, is that it's the same f*cking path... just with different names for God and different prophets.

Allah = God
Muhammad = Jesus

If one studies both writings, and just takes the spirit of the messages to heart, rather than the literal differences, they discover they profess nearly all the same virtues of spirituality, faith, and the belief in a single omnipotent God. Fundamental Christians are every bit as dangerous and prejudiced as fundamental Muslims. The most glaring irony is the name; because neither group is fundamental at all. This hate and intolerance they possess and use as weapons are the least fundamental and the furthest from the teachings of either group. Both groups would have you pray for the members of the other group, that they find your same path to enlightenment... neither says force the other to believe as you do. They say to respect the beliefs of other faiths; for at least they have faith.Wrong, they aren't the same paths.....they couldn't be more different. Jesus said...'I AM the way, no one can come to the Father but through ME. allah isn't the same as the Christian God because the Christian God has a son (Jesus), allah has no son and islam denies Christ's deity. Jesus Christ is either who He says He is or He is a liar...and I say that softly...He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Any other tried path to Heaven is a path to an eternal Hell. If Christian's don't believe Jesus's words then they aren't Christians...they are heretics. I respect othe folks and they're right to worship whoever they choose, I don't on the other hand have to respect they're choice of religion......I can't respect something that will doom someone to an eternal separation from God and into an eternal hell.