If the Tide flops...

[GeauxTo]

If the Tide flops and continues to play mediocre football even with their good recruiting classes, will the Bamers have enough gumption to fire the mighty Saban? How long will it take if the mediocrity continues?

[BAMAPERRY]

LOL! We've been mediocre BECAUSE of our recruiting. We'll be a much improved team this year. You can't say the same about LSU.

[shanksta13]

LOL! We've been mediocre BECAUSE of our recruiting. We'll be a much improved team this year. You can't say the same about LSU.

Mostly because they just won a National Championship and it's tough to improve on that... :unsure:




As far as Saban, I see him getting at least 5 years given his contract.

[zartan]

are we discounting the idea that his mercenary arse could jump ship for a more attractive job?

[ShowTime24]

alabama will stay mediocre they are, as bad as I hate to say it, UGA in the 90's. no matter what kind of players we brought in we still could not ever get over the hump and that is exactly where alabama is now! so maybe in 2010 the will get better?

[shanksta13]

are we discounting the idea that his mercenary arse could jump ship for a more attractive job?

If someone could really afford to outbid Alabama and the contract they gave him, then maybe. I think Saban has more to prove as a coach before he gets another offer near that large, though.

[Tennessee Ted]

Saban has only been there a couple of years and it takes a couple of years for a good recruiting class to come to fruition. This year could go either way for the Tide, but Saban should not be judged on his record until at least after next year. It is difficult to turn a team around in the SEC with the brutal schedule. I am sure this year they will be improved and will not lose to any cupcakes.

[shk999]

Haha!! What about Les? Now that Saban's recruits are gone, how long will LSU fans let Les ride when LSU returns to their rightful place at the bottom of the SEC?

[shanksta13]

Haha!! What about Les? Now that Saban's recruits are gone, how long will LSU fans let Les ride when LSU returns to their rightful place at the bottom of the SEC?

Figured it wouldn't take long for this thread to go downhill. I was just waiting for that piss smell... :laugh:

[jthomas666]

alabama will stay mediocre they are, as bad as I hate to say it, UGA in the 90's. no matter what kind of players we brought in we still could not ever get over the hump and that is exactly where alabama is now! so maybe in 2010 the will get better?Here's the problem with your claim:

Ray Goof < Nick Saban
Jim Donnan < Nick Saban

[ats0001]

Figured it wouldn't take long for this thread to go downhill. I was just waiting for that piss smell... :laugh:

Likewise.......I know I'm a little late, but cue the Bama/LSU "my coach is better than your coach," "you can't win without the coach we have," "recruiting blah blah blah" argument.

[volimhtown]

Here's the problem with your claim:

Ray Goof < Nick Saban
Jim Donnan < Nick Saban

Good points!! :thumpsup:

Here's the thing... Saban and Bama are NOT going to "flop". Too much talent's coming into the program and Saban's too good of a coach. The REAL question should be what results are acceptable and what results are not.

The fact is that Bama did not throw all of that money to Saban simply to go 9-3 or 10-2.... he is expected to win a NT. What is the time table?? Someone stated 5 years and I think that's fair. If that's the case, however, what do the next 4 years look like?? I guess for starters that better include beating Auburn... sooner rather than later. If Bama goes 8-4 or 9-3 this year, but fails to beat Auburn and Tennessee... is the optimism still there?? I guess you can make a case that it would be a good improvement from 6-6, but then again, last year's Bama team was MUCH better than that 6-6 record indicated, so.....

Here's the other thing. Saban won't ever let it get to the point where the Bama AD has to make that call. If it's not going as planned, Saban has shown that he will bail out WAY before anybody has to make that call on him. In addition, the Tide fan base isn't going to allow for an "extended project" from anyone. They have a unique way of "turning up the heat" to make that kitchen unBEARable down there. :laugh:

Successful or not, NT or not, IMO this is NOT a long-term relationship. Tide fans can only hope they can catch lightning in a bottle during this short trip!!

[GeauxTo]

Realistically, how many will Bama win in 2008?? Could be as bad as 4-8. Could be as good as 7-5. Likely to be about 6-6. Total mediocrity.

Likely Win Likely Loss Tossup
Clemson
Tulane
Western Kentucky
Arkansas
Georgia
Kentucky
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Ark State
LSU
Miss State
Auburn

[shk999]

Figured it wouldn't take long for this thread to go downhill. I was just waiting for that piss smell... :laugh:

Just figured a dumbass response was right on time for a dumbass thread. :laugh:

[BAMAPERRY]

Bama will be 10-2, 6-2. Will beat da barn in the deciding game fro the West and play Florida in the SECCG.

[crimsonnation713]

are we discounting the idea that his mercenary arse could jump ship for a more attractive job?

but what we are NOT discounting is the fact that Philzy couldnt jump over a poop deck unless there were Krispy Kremes involved and/or Roy Kramer needed his butt kissed

but it is just my opinion....I could be wrong

[crimsonnation713]

I've said it once and I'll say it again, it still amazes me how other fanbases (not all) worry more about us than we do. Its too funny because with all the putting down and taking shots at Saban only says one thing and I don't even have to say it. Keep worrying boyz....daddy gonna make it feel better real soon.

[GeauxTo]

I've said it once and I'll say it again, it still amazes me how other fanbases (not all) worry more about us than we do. Its too funny because with all the putting down and taking shots at Saban only says one thing and I don't even have to say it. Keep worrying boyz....daddy gonna make it feel better real soon.

That's what this board is all about... discussion. Alabama has a great tradition and an excellent football history. It has, however, fallen into a mediocrity that is hard to get out of, and that is certainly legitimate fodder for discussion. No one is "taking shots," we're simply discussing the reality of the situation and the possible outcomes. To retaliate by dissing someone else's coach is simply childish and avoiding contributing intelligent thought to the topic under discussion.

[crimsonnation713]

When a coach is called a "mercenary" thats not intelligent discussion Geaux regardless of what you think. And the only reason you started this thread was to get something started so don't take the martyr role...it doesn't fit. And please PLEASE don't preach to me about "dissing coaches" because if thats the case, you need to do some growing up of your own.

[Tennessee Ted]

I've said it once and I'll say it again, it still amazes me how other fanbases (not all) worry more about us than we do. Its too funny because with all the putting down and taking shots at Saban only says one thing and I don't even have to say it. Keep worrying boyz....daddy gonna make it feel better real soon.

I think other team's fan bases have an obsession with Alabama because Alabama has really dominated the SEC in the past, so everyone has enjoyed their recent struggles. However, they fear a resurgence and all posts stating Alabama will be mired in mediocrity are just wishful thinking IMO.

[bamagt]

If Saban leaves or is fired... I'm sure we could get a Les Miles in there to win with his recruits.
I know Miles has done great his first couple of years but you have to admit he has made multiple dumb ass moves. He had by far the most talented team in the nation last year and lost 2 games and was very close to others. Luckily he got to jump from # 7 to # 2 in the nation after the final week where they played the 2nd or 3rd best team in the East.
You LSU fans are too cocky.

[GeauxTo]

You LSU fans are too cocky.

That's what happens when you have such a "lucky" coach.:laugh:

[bigsexxxy]

That's what this board is all about... discussion. Alabama has a great tradition and an excellent football history. It has, however, fallen into a mediocrity that is hard to get out of, and that is certainly legitimate fodder for discussion. No one is "taking shots," we're simply discussing the reality of the situation and the possible outcomes. To retaliate by dissing someone else's coach is simply childish and avoiding contributing intelligent thought to the topic under discussion.

I love it when you start stirring the pot and then you come in with one of these posts. I mean, really? "Bammer", "Gumps", "Mighty Saban"? Yeah, you were definitely trying to invoke some intelligent responses there, weren't you Geaux?

[SeanVol]

If the Tide flops and continues to play mediocre football even with their good recruiting classes, will the Bamers have enough gumption to fire the mighty Saban? How long will it take if the mediocrity continues?

Nick Saban is god in Alabama and he can only get fired if the Bear rises out of the grave and visits Mal Moore.:laugh:

[sheluvsbama]

I've said it once and I'll say it again, it still amazes me how other fanbases (not all) worry more about us than we do. Its too funny because with all the putting down and taking shots at Saban only says one thing and I don't even have to say it. Keep worrying boyz....daddy gonna make it feel better real soon.

Actually, it's kinda fun watching all the speculation swirl around us. :laugh: After all, we aren't expected to have a great deal of improvement this year, so I don't know what all the fuss is about! :laugh:There is as much excitement around us as there is in our own backyards!

[dcbama]

I don't know why any fellow Bama fans are taking the bait on this. It's meant to incite, nothing more, no matter what he calls it. The better question is why a fan of the defending national champions would be wondering about the coach of a 6-6 team that lsu has beaten 5 times in a row. Just doesn't make sense, unless..........well, I think we all know the answer to this one.

[OleMissPike]

Actually, it's kinda fun watching all the speculation swirl around us. :laugh: After all, we aren't expected to have a great deal of improvement this year, so I don't know what all the fuss is about! :laugh:There is as much excitement around us as there is in our own backyards!

That's kind of what I was thinking. Aside from BP, I haven't seen another Tide fan on here saying yall were going to win 10 games and the West. I think a lot of Tiders are playing the wait and see game with guarded optimism on the upcoming season based on the recruiting class. I also haven't seen anyone use the best recruiting class ever as a reason to come in and dominate; most of yall are saying give this class a year or two and then we'll be ready. But I'm just a dumba@@ Ole Miss alum.

[ColonelKurtz]

I've said it once and I'll say it again, it still amazes me how other fanbases (not all) worry more about us than we do. Its too funny because with all the putting down and taking shots at Saban only says one thing and I don't even have to say it. Keep worrying boyz....daddy gonna make it feel better real soon.

What should amaze you instead is the chip many of your inbred brother bammers put on THEIR shoulders, the threads THEY initiate which demand respect, and then you and others come along castigating OTHERS for reacting as they do.

If some of the bammers can handle the heat you bring down on yourselves, then run to one of the zillion bama boards where you all can cry rivers together over it.

[M2J]

Figured it wouldn't take long for this thread to go downhill. I was just waiting for that piss smell... :laugh:


Geaux meant for this thread to go downhill the second he typed in the title.:laugh:

And I don't think expectations overall are higher than 8 wins in 2008 (and that includes the bowl), but up to 10 isn't the biggest surprise either (although a bit of one). I think heavy expectations begin in 09 and certainly 2010.

[DEHIII]

This is funny considering we have had one really good recruiting class and they will all be coming in this fall. You act as if we have had really good classes for a while now. Looking at those classes Shula brought in, shows they were average for the SEC then and probably below average now.

I think the adminstration and the fans will give Saban time. We are still very thin at key positions. Please see LB for this little fact along with other areas. We will have to throw a lot of these young guys into the fire early and let them take their bumps. But if we continue to recruit well, and that does not seem to be stopping, then we will be pretty good in time.

You know this to be true considering the LSU fans loved Saban and what he did for your program. You know he is a good coach and recruiter. This means we will be competing for SEC Championships fairly soon. Of course the SEC isn't getting any easier and I don't think LSU, Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee or Florida are going to go away anytime soon, so it should be very interesting once Alabama gets the talent in place.

[clockster]

Realistically, how many will Bama win in 2008?? Could be as bad as 4-8. Could be as good as 7-5. Likely to be about 6-6. Total mediocrity.

Likely Win Likely Loss Tossup
Clemson
Tulane
Western Kentucky
Arkansas
Georgia
Kentucky
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Ark State
LSU
Miss State
Auburn


:laugh: AHAHAHA!! This is funny the way ya'll perceive our season because its the same way I KNOW yall's is going to happen.

I don't know where you're coming up with 4-8 AHAHAHA!!!!

You don't have anything anymore dude....do LSU fans really believe they are going to win more than 7 games this year? SERIOUSLY??

[geechee]

Here's the thing... Saban and Bama are NOT going to "flop". Too much talent's coming into the program and Saban's too good of a coach. The REAL question should be what results are acceptable and what results are not.

Anyone who thinks Saban is not in the midst of building a winning program is not living in the real world and is only kidding themselves.


Successful or not, NT or not, IMO this is NOT a long-term relationship. Tide fans can only hope they can catch lightning in a bottle during this short trip!!

I wouldn't be so sure about this vol. I think Saban has sowed his wild oats and has found "his place" in the coaching world. I really don't think there is anywhere else he wants to be now.

[M2J]

Exactly Geechee, where else is there to go? Who's gonna pay him more?

All of his coaching moves were upgrades as far as money, and prestige of the job. I don't exactly see him going back to the NFL. I don't exactly see him going to his alma mater. And there were reports of Alabama being his dream job from friends prior to him taking it so I don't think another prestigious school will take him away if they offered. And he's not exactly a young coach anymore.

[Neo]

If the Tide flops and continues to play mediocre football even with their good recruiting classes, will the Bamers have enough gumption to fire the mighty Saban? How long will it take if the mediocrity continues?



They will give Saban about the same time they gave Shula.

[CtrlAltDel]

If the Tide flops and continues to play mediocre football even with their good recruiting classes, will the Bamers have enough gumption to fire the mighty Saban? How long will it take if the mediocrity continues?

Bamers? Everyone observe the corn dog sucking coonass, mullet sporting, wife beater wearing, whiskey swilling, trash talker trying to start an argument. The only thing is, he can't even spell Bammers correctly, typical of that type.

Naturally, I will be threatened with a ban now because I am speaking this way to GeauxTo, even though I am only returning his favor of calling 'Bama fans "Bamers". We will see if any evenhandedness is used on this board, I suppose.

I don't see any reason to answer any of the other boring and been done a thousand times responses so I will just put them all here.

Coach Saban is not the first coach to ever take another job, oh so wise ones. If your coach has not had more than one job, raise your greasy fingers. If you coach has not had more than two jobs, raise your sore infested arm. If your coach has not had more than three jobs, raise that disgusting stub that you pound on the keyboard with.

Your team, I am talking to all of you, would be in the same pit 'Bama was in if it was literally crippled with a devastating probation. Stop acting like the team is doomed to mediocrity forever and ever, it shows a lack of intelligence, really it does.

'Bama fans are not impatient. Most of us did not want to fire Shula until the very bitter and tragic end and finally our eyes opened. Most of us didn't want to fire him even at the end of his last season, we kept saying "give him another year", " He just needs time".

The propaganda machine that all you clowns have sucked up and digested about 'Bama fans being impatient was crafted just for gullible persons like yourself, for the news factor, got to have something to write.

The only impatient fans are absolute idiots from other fanbases who make posts asking how long it will take 'Bama fans to make their minds up to get rid of Saban. He has coached one year on the field, grow a brain and get back to us.

Let's be truthful and stop playing silly Internet message board games. Two back to back probations in a ten year period with one of them being the 2nd worst probation ever issued out to a team takes it's toll.

Coaches fled the program at night, fat ass coaches skanked it up down in the Panhandle and got fired before they set foot on the field, one fantastic and better coach than any of you have to this day was ran off by a combination of meddling and AD's and Presidents, etc... not by the fans.

So, suck your wagging and shriveled up tongues back into your shrunken and pock marked faces, 'Bama is here to stay whether you like it or not.

LSU, Auburn, Florida, and Georgia holding a death grip on the SEC are about to be joined by one more bruiser. You can't vote us out, you can't talk us out, we are coming to join you and that is the reality of it.

Wake up.

[crawfish]

I've said it once and I'll say it again, it still amazes me how other fanbases (not all) worry more about us than we do. Its too funny because with all the putting down and taking shots at Saban only says one thing and I don't even have to say it. Keep worrying boyz....daddy gonna make it feel better real soon.

Without the anti-Les Miles and anti-Nick Saban threads and posts, this site would almost be silent. :laugh: Heck, as popular as these guys are on SECTalk, they ought to have their own action figures made.

[clockster]

Without the anti-Les Miles and anti-Nick Saban threads and posts, this site would almost be silent. :laugh: Heck, as popular as these guys are on SECTalk, they ought to have their own action figures made.

LOL

Very true Crawdad :D

Look at how Miles is staring at Flynn in your sig, he's sitting there pondering "Wow, I wish I could recruit this good. Better enjoy this while I can...."

Just another anti-Miles statement to keep things running smoothly! :laugh:

[sheluvsbama]

Without the anti-Les Miles and anti-Nick Saban threads and posts, this site would almost be silent. :laugh: Heck, as popular as these guys are on SECTalk, they ought to have their own action figures made.

You mean you don't already have one of each? I thought we all did! :laugh:

[crawfish]

LOL

Very true Crawdad :D

Look at how Miles is staring at Flynn in your sig, he's sitting there pondering "Wow, I wish I could recruit this good. Better enjoy this while I can...."

Just another anti-Miles statement to keep things running smoothly! :laugh:

Ha! Ha! :thumpsup:

I guess it's how you look at that picture. I always saw it as Miles staring at Flynn thinking, "Man, I'm so loaded with talent, I could have another one of these in the next couple of years! Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet! Michigan eat your heart out!"

[crawfish]

You mean you don't already have one of each? I thought we all did! :laugh:

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Jables]

wow... some of you people are dumb...

[volimhtown]

I wouldn't be so sure about this vol. I think Saban has sowed his wild oats and has found "his place" in the coaching world. I really don't think there is anywhere else he wants to be now.

Granted.....BUT, the same thing was said after his first year in Baton Rouge. "Now" being the opperative word!! :laugh:
Hey, personally, I hope he's there to stay for a long, long time. I just don't see ANY reason to be thinking that he will be at this point. Put another way, the odds based on history from both sides, certainly don't support it!! :thumpsup:

[CtrlAltDel]

Granted.....BUT, the same thing was said after his first year in Baton Rouge. "Now" being the opperative word!! :laugh:
Hey, personally, I hope he's there to stay for a long, long time. I just don't see ANY reason to be thinking that he will be at this point. Put another way, the odds based on history from both sides, certainly don't support it!! :thumpsup:


What odds based on history, volimhtown? Not everyone has a man coaching their team that has been there 92 years like Fulmer has.

Most teams have coaches who have had 4 or 5 or 6 jobs or more in their lifetimes. Some of you need to read up on college football coaching in the United States.

Nothing is in the least bit unusual about Saban and his job history. To say otherwise is only revealing your lack of knowledge.

[clockster]

Granted.....BUT, the same thing was said after his first year in Baton Rouge. "Now" being the opperative word!! :laugh:
Hey, personally, I hope he's there to stay for a long, long time. I just don't see ANY reason to be thinking that he will be at this point. Put another way, the odds based on history from both sides, certainly don't support it!! :thumpsup:

Saban's not going anywhere......

And you know what?

Even if he does, I hope he leaves us with at least a National Championship and the players to do it again after he's gone.....

I would have no problem with that unlike those ungrateful corndogs.....

[SeanVol]

Realistically, how many will Bama win in 2008?? Could be as bad as 4-8. Could be as good as 7-5. Likely to be about 6-6. Total mediocrity.

Likely Win Likely Loss Tossup
Clemson
Tulane
Western Kentucky
Arkansas
Georgia
Kentucky
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Ark State
LSU
Miss State
Auburn


I think they will finish 8-4 they will beat someone they're not suppose to. They could easily beat us again.

[crimsonnation713]

Without the anti-Les Miles and anti-Nick Saban threads and posts, this site would almost be silent. :laugh: Heck, as popular as these guys are on SECTalk, they ought to have their own action figures made.

with a kung-fu grip

[sheluvsbama]

with a kung-fu grip

Absolutely! :laugh:

[crimsonnation713]

What should amaze you instead is the chip many of your inbred brother bammers put on THEIR shoulders, the threads THEY initiate which demand respect, and then you and others come along castigating OTHERS for reacting as they do.

If some of the bammers can handle the heat you bring down on yourselves, then run to one of the zillion bama boards where you all can cry rivers together over it.

Go after the ones that are doing the demanding and acting like azzes. Did I go after ALL puppies when grady was spewing ?? And theres the whole point.

Go pee on a hydrant.

[Choctaw]

This is funny considering we have had one really good recruiting class and they will all be coming in this fall. You act as if we have had really good classes for a while now. Looking at those classes Shula brought in, shows they were average for the SEC then and probably below average now.




I love how 'bama fans use this excuse for their crappiness.

Bama recruiting classes per Rivals

2004 #15
2005 #18
2006 #11

Not too bad. Why couldnt Saban do anything with this talent?

[azamugg]

I love how 'bama fans use this excuse for their crappiness.

Bama recruiting classes per Rivals

2004 #15
2005 #18
2006 #11

Not too bad. Why couldnt Saban do anything with this talent?



not sure Fearmyfat but good question nonetheless.........I'll repeat something I've and many others have said before, our 7-6 team lost on the last play to you goofs, lost in OT to UGA, the PreSeason #1, beat UT by 21 who of course won the East, etc, etc, etc .........and all of this of course w/a brand new coach, new philosophy, etc

so keep talking.......I'm not talking......just waiting

[shanksta13]

not sure Fearmyfat but good question nonetheless.........I'll repeat something I've and many others have said before, our 7-6 team lost on the last play to you goofs, lost in OT to UGA, the PreSeason #1, beat UT by 21 who of course won the East, etc, etc, etc .........and all of this of course w/a brand new coach, new philosophy, etc

Cue Auburn remarks involving the letters "U", "L" and "M"... :laugh:

[timNem]

What should amaze you instead is the chip many of your inbred brother bammers put on THEIR shoulders, the threads THEY initiate which demand respect, and then you and others come along castigating OTHERS for reacting as they do.

If some of the bammers can handle the heat you bring down on yourselves, then run to one of the zillion bama boards where you all can cry rivers together over it.
so far I have yet to see a thread started by "bammers" to act as a database of posts from other fans who MAY not think or have doubts about BAMA running the table and winning the NC. when you find one like that, come back and lets chat.

[timNem]

I love how 'bama fans use this excuse for their crappiness.

Bama recruiting classes per Rivals

2004 #15
2005 #18
2006 #11

Not too bad. Why couldnt Saban do anything with this talent?

go back and look at the 2004 and 2005 classes and you will see that 80%+ of those signees never stepped on campus or were kicked off the team before they ever were able to play.

the 2004 class had 10 guys who never enrolled or were kicked off the team

the 2005 class has 17 guys who are no longer on the team

[shk999]

They will give Saban about the same time they gave Shula.

I would say 4 yrs is plenty enough time to prove yourself? Wouldnt you agree? Its been said before, if you come to Alabama and lose, you wake up with moving vans parked in front of your house and for sale signs in your yard but.....if you win, we build statues in your likeness and name roads, buildings, stadiums and museums after you. Besides, nothing in Saban's past suggest that he will in any way mirror the job Shula did at Bama. The only thing they have in common is Saban accomplished the same thing in his first year that Shula did in his last.

[shk999]

I love how 'bama fans use this excuse for their crappiness.

Bama recruiting classes per Rivals

2004 #15
2005 #18
2006 #11

Not too bad. Why couldnt Saban do anything with this talent?

What excuse did you use for a lifetime of "crappiness" before he came to Lousy-ana? I cant speak for what he does with other people's recruits but I know what he can do with his own. Here's a hint, look in your trophy case.

[BAMAPERRY]

They will give Saban about the same time they gave Shula.

How long did Florida give Ron Zook? He had a better record than Shula did. Zook was 23-14 overall and 16-8 in the SEC when UF fired him. Shula was right at .500 when Bama cut him loose.

[BigBamaFan]

I love how 'bama fans use this excuse for their crappiness.

Bama recruiting classes per Rivals

2004 #15
2005 #18
2006 #11

Not too bad. Why couldnt Saban do anything with this talent?


Since I love recruiting I'll take a shot at this one.

2003-Last years RS Seniors (National Ranking #49 with 17 recruits 4 blue chippers 1 never made it to campus)SEC ranking #10
2004-True Seniors/RS Juniors (National Ranking #15 with 27 recruits 4 blue chippers 3 didnt get on campus that year) SEC ranking #5
2005-Last years True Juniors/RS Soph (NR #18 with 32 recruits 6 blue chippers 1 never made it to campus)SEC ranking #5
2006-True Soph's/RS Freshman (NR #11 with 23 recruits and 12 blue chippers 2 didnt make it)SEC ranking #5
2007 -True Freshman (NR#10 with 25 recruits and 10 bluechipper 1 didnt make it)SEC ranking #6............Sabans first classs with only 6 weeks to work with..............

By looking at this its pretty clear to see Bama lacked in those high profile players like so many in the SEC have been enjoying year in and year out.However looking at this list its pretty easy to see that the Bama youth has those high profile players and some have made impacts some have great chances to make impact this year.Last years Bama team according to just about everyone was one of the overall youngest in the SEC.

Bottom line on blue chippers.
last year Upper Classmen blue chippers (9)
Under classmen (14)