Can we kick Vandy out of the SEC?

[D^3]

Seriously... lets talk about it. What does Vanderbilt do for the SEC? They have a good baseball team, and occasionally a good basketball team, but thats about the only thing they can brag about. Their fan base sucks, they have nothing in common with the rest of the SEC. Vandy doesn't even care enough about athletics to deserve to be in the SEC. We should have kicked them out when they did away with the athletic department.

When I think about an SEC team, I think about a program that takes pride in their athletics, that has an avid fan base better than any in the country, and a commitment to always strive to be the best. Vanderbilt is none of those things. They are content to be the doormat of the SEC, and always fall back on their "academics." Thats great, I'm really glad there are schools out there where the focus is on turning out great minds. But that said, in the SEC, we embrace athletics and the student-athlete, we don't eliminate the athletic department and reserve ourselves to be the bottom-feeders, almost like "yeah, we have a team... don't really care if they're good or not." You ever go to a Vanderbilt football game? It's probably the only place in the southeast where you can go to a football game and not see tailgaters.

When you look at the spectrum of fine programs throughout the SEC, Vanderbilt sticks out like a 300lb woman on a nude beach. They don't deserve to call themselves a member of this great conference.

My proposition would be to replace them with a school that CARES about its athletics, and takes winning seriously. There are several worthy programs that would be great candidates. Clemson comes to mind. Now THAT, is an SEC-type school. They should be in the SEC. So lets call Mike Slive.... Commodores out... Tigers in. Besides, we don't have enough Tigers in the SEC anyway.

[D^3]

Almost forgot.... :ph34r:

[MillDawg007]

Hahaha while currently still laughing. If we bring in any more top tier teams into our conference how does anyone get to the national title game. If you put Clemson in the SEC EAST you have SCAR UGA UT UF CLEM being the top teams in that. That basically makes up a fifth of the top 25 in college football. That would be near impossible to get through. Vandy while ive never experienced a game at Vandyor a rude Vandy fan, they have a very solid basketball program as well as a baseball program. IMO if they were in the ACC or BIG EAST they would be contending for the conference crown( I mean WAKEFOREST a champion give me a break). In part i feel their poor record in football is due to the superior talent at opposing schools in the SEC. Plus its always fun bashing the top tier team that looses to VANDY because you always know they pull an upset. They also are usually contending in most games. They sure scared the Dawgs this past season.

[Jables]

i bet vandy would beat every other conferences last tier team though...

[Benny]

Atleast Vanderbilt has actually won a couple of SEC Titles oh say in the last 30 years?

2007: Baseball, 1993: Basketball.

Let's kick Ole Miss out.. last time they won an SEC Title in a relevant sport was during the Cold War and INTERPOL had just issued a resolution against the piracy of video tapes (1977).

[D^3]

Atleast Vanderbilt has actually won a couple of SEC Titles oh say in the last 30 years?

2007: Baseball, 1993: Basketball.

Let's kick Ole Miss out.. last time they won an SEC Title in a relevant sport was during the Cold War and INTERPOL had just issued a resolution against the piracy of video tapes (1977).

Ole Miss has pride and tradition though. Vandy doesn't.


And I'm not buying that Vandy would beat other conferences lower tier teams, either. You can't recruit to a school that thinks so highly of their athletics that they eliminated the athletic department.

[lacene]

I can understand wishing to kick Vanderbilt out of the SEC before the season where Vandy is scheduled again to play at Sanford Stadium.....I remember the last time they played there.....

[MillDawg007]

I can understand wishing to kick Vanderbilt out of the SEC before the season where Vandy is scheduled again to play at Sanford Stadium.....I remember the last time they played there.....

Aww im so sorry were a football program with expectations that would have fans at SCAR wetting their pants. YES EVERYONE UGA LOST TO VANDY IN ATHENS. WE KNOW WHAT HAS SCAR EVER DONE(dont come back with the childesh WE BEAT YOU LAST YEAR) besides win a couple they shouldnt every season.

[D^3]

I can understand wishing to kick Vanderbilt out of the SEC before the season where Vandy is scheduled again to play at Sanford Stadium.....I remember the last time they played there.....


Yeah it happened, but do you honestly think we're scared of them? Upsets happen every once in awhile. But we're not going to invite UL-Monroe to join the SEC, are we?

[gangstaback]

this is true, south carolina doesnt make a difference.... theyre ACC material. plus their school is more boring than clemson, that makes it ACC again hahha.

[D^3]

Here's some numbers for you to consider:

Vanderbilt football vs. SEC opponents:

All-time: 179-340-22 (.345)
Under Bobby Johnson (2002-present): 6-40 (.130)

[the Paradox]

You can give up the rant about Vandy eliminating their athletic department. That move allowed the school to use the Ingram Endowment plus other monies on athletics. Believe it or not Vanderbilt has more money at their disposal than several other SEC schools. Vandy is a charter member of the conference and the the school brings quite a bit to the table. The mens and womens' basketball teams are almost always well above average. The baseball team is generally better that 2/3rd's of the SEC, the tennis team is very competitive, and the school's graduation rate leads the conference every year.


RTR

[The Ramp]

they raise the conference GPA

[D^3]

You can give up the rant about Vandy eliminating their athletic department. That move allowed the school to use the Ingram Endowment plus other monies on athletics. Believe it or not Vanderbilt has more money at their disposal than several other SEC schools.

Of course they have more money at their disposal... their tuition is higher than anybody else in the SEC. But that sure as hell doesn't show up in their athletics. Killing the athletics dept. had nothing to do with spending more money on athletics.


Vandy is a charter member of the conference and the the school brings quite a bit to the table.

So was sewanee.

The mens and womens' basketball teams are almost always well above average.

Being good at just basketball doesn't cut it. Not in the SEC.


The baseball team is generally better that 2/3rd's of the SEC

No they aren't. The only period they've won anything in the past 30 years is since 2004, and even then all they've managed to do is win the SEC once, and lose 3 straight NCAA regionals. What a great performance! How pathetic that the conference champion would go out with such a lame showing. Prior to 2004, you'd have to go all the way back to 1980 to find a Vandy baseball team with any kind of title. In fact, from 1980-2004, they rarely broke .500

the tennis team is very competitive

If finishing 4th in the East with a .363 winning percentage is competitive to you, you have awfully low standards.


and the school's graduation rate leads the conference every year.


Well they should, since the only thing they have going for them is academics. But we aren't handing out any trophies for that, or selling tickets to watch them take a midterm, are we? If all they have to hang their hat on is their graduation rate and GPA, then they should move on to the A-10 conference or somewhere else where athletic excellence isn't expected.

[Cockfan720]

this is true, south carolina doesnt make a difference.... theyre ACC material. plus their school is more boring than clemson, that makes it ACC again hahha.

I don't know about that. We helped out a couple of SEC players' heisman chances last year (*cough*Dmac & Tebow*cough*)

But seriously, "South Carolina doesn't make a big difference." Currently I would definately say our program is ahead of Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Mississippi State (at least). Not to mention we've made the big three in the East VERY nervous the past three years. I'm really looking forward to the Razorbacks' trip to Columbia this year. I used to have a lot of respect for Arkansas, since we both joined the conference at the same time. But some of the Arky fans on this board are freaking idiots!

And boring school...are you serious...what's there in arkansas?

[Cockfan720]

I can understand wishing to kick Vanderbilt out of the SEC before the season where Vandy is scheduled again to play at Sanford Stadium.....I remember the last time they played there.....

Yeah, In the last three years I believe Vandy has wins in Knoxville, Columbia, Athens, and Fayetteville. That's not too shabby. If they could just put it together they could get to a bowl game.

[Tider27]

I wouldn't mind removing Vandy honestly. They bring a lot to the table in some things, but they're just not competitive in sports...that's all there is to it.

Now the question is, who would we add? We don't need to add any more big names honestly, so let's think small. Even if the school is small, it should compete more then Vandy honestly.

My Favorites would be:
South Florida
Memphis
Wake Forest

[hangukdawg]

Every conference has a Vandy, and I would wager that in the three big sports, Vandy has been more competitive than the bottom feeders in the other BCS conference in the past few years. I'm surprised that a UGA fan would bring this up since we've had a nailbiting win and loss in the past two seasons in football.

They are definitely more competitive now than they were ten years ago.

[WDavE]

We can't kick Vandy out of the SEC quite yet...

It's the only SEC school to send my oldest a recruiting letter....Maybe in 2014.....

[ColonelKurtz]

I can understand wishing to kick Vanderbilt out of the SEC before the season where Vandy is scheduled again to play at Sanford Stadium.....I remember the last time they played there.....

If any team was to get booted, it would rightfully be one of the LAST ones admitted.....even lacene can do THAT math, since ONE of the TWO hasn't won diddly since joining....hmmm, can't seem to recall just who that might be....:ohmy: But I wouldn't take clempson as a replacement when there are perfectly competitive programs who would jump at the chance.

Besides, Vandy is one of the richest programs as well as being its academic leader.

Oh lacene, UGA whipped them last season, what is YOUR EXCUSE?

[cocky87]

If any team was to get booted, it would rightfully be one of the LAST ones admitted.....even lacene can do THAT math, since ONE of the TWO hasn't won diddly since joining....hmmm, can't seem to recall just who that might be....:ohmy: But I wouldn't take clempson as a replacement when there are perfectly competitive programs who would jump at the chance.

Besides, Vandy is one of the richest programs as well as being its academic leader.

Oh lacene, UGA whipped them last season, what is YOUR EXCUSE?

You call winning by a field goal whipping them?
20-17

I guess we demolished you guys last year with a
16-12 win? :unsure:

Vandy beat us last year and gave other teams a run for their money, I'd say they are still pretty competitive..

[Benny]

But seriously, "South Carolina doesn't make a big difference." Currently I would definately say our program is ahead of Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Mississippi State (at least).

Mmkay.. not sure where you get the notion that USC is better than Mississippi State. Since SC joined the SEC, here are each school's accomplishments in the big sports.

Football
USC - 87-97-1 (.470) and 4-1 in Bowl Games
MSU - 85-102-2 (.449) and 3-3 in Bowl Games

MSU has won the Western Division once, SC has not won their division.

USC leads 7-6 Head to Head

While USC has a clear edge in football, it isn't overwhelming or "great" by any standards.

Basketball
USC - 278-251 (.525), 1 SEC Championship, 1 Divisional Title, 3 NCAA Tournaments
MSU - 314-191 (.622), 1 SEC Championship, 2 SEC Tournament Championships, 6 Divisional Titles, 8 NCAA Tournaments, 1 Final Four

MSU leads 10-6 Head to Head

MSU has had much more success especially in the postseason.

Baseball
USC - 2 SEC Championships, 1 SEC Tournament Championship, 3 CWS
MSU - 1 SEC Championship, 2 SEC Tournament Championships, 3 CWS

By this point I got tired of looking stuff up but I'd say it's pretty much dead even.

Like I said, I'm not sure where you get the impression that USC has better athletics than State when they've done nothing spectacular since joining the SEC. State hasn't dominated either but I don't think either set of results can lead one to say that one program is clearly better than the other.

[JerryBeeds]

At least we've got multiple SEC titles in baseball and one in basketball. We've contributed since joining. Our football is just now starting to catch up in terms of being relevant. I love it when FANS of other schools try and talk down to other FANS. Like any of you bozos ever did one thing to contribute to your teams greatness other than buying tickets.

[JerryBeeds]

Mmkay.. not sure where you get the notion that USC is better than Mississippi State. Since SC joined the SEC, here are each school's accomplishments in the big sports.

Football
USC - 87-97-1 (.470) and 4-1 in Bowl Games
MSU - 85-102-2 (.449) and 3-3 in Bowl Games

MSU has won the Western Division once, SC has not won their division.

USC leads 7-6 Head to Head

While USC has a clear edge in football, it isn't overwhelming or "great" by any standards.

Basketball
USC - 278-251 (.525), 1 SEC Championship, 1 Divisional Title, 3 NCAA Tournaments
MSU - 314-191 (.622), 1 SEC Championship, 2 SEC Tournament Championships, 6 Divisional Titles, 8 NCAA Tournaments, 1 Final Four

MSU leads 10-6 Head to Head

MSU has had much more success especially in the postseason.

Baseball
USC - 2 SEC Championships, 1 SEC Tournament Championship, 3 CWS
MSU - 1 SEC Championship, 2 SEC Tournament Championships, 3 CWS

By this point I got tired of looking stuff up but I'd say it's pretty much dead even.

Like I said, I'm not sure where you get the impression that USC has better athletics than State when they've done nothing spectacular since joining the SEC. State hasn't dominated either but I don't think either set of results can lead one to say that one program is clearly better than the other.

Wow. I didn't realize that we were only 10 games under .500 in football since joining the league. I would've thought it was like 25 or something. The '90's weren't kind to us.

[cocky87]

Mmkay.. not sure where you get the notion that USC is better than Mississippi State. Since SC joined the SEC, here are each school's accomplishments in the big sports.

Football
USC - 87-97-1 (.470) and 4-1 in Bowl Games
MSU - 85-102-2 (.449) and 3-3 in Bowl Games

MSU has won the Western Division once, SC has not won their division.

USC leads 7-6 Head to Head

While USC has a clear edge in football, it isn't overwhelming or "great" by any standards.

Basketball
USC - 278-251 (.525), 1 SEC Championship, 1 Divisional Title, 3 NCAA Tournaments
MSU - 314-191 (.622), 1 SEC Championship, 2 SEC Tournament Championships, 6 Divisional Titles, 8 NCAA Tournaments, 1 Final Four

MSU leads 10-6 Head to Head

MSU has had much more success especially in the postseason.

Baseball
USC - 2 SEC Championships, 1 SEC Tournament Championship, 3 CWS
MSU - 1 SEC Championship, 2 SEC Tournament Championships, 3 CWS

By this point I got tired of looking stuff up but I'd say it's pretty much dead even.

Like I said, I'm not sure where you get the impression that USC has better athletics than State when they've done nothing spectacular since joining the SEC. State hasn't dominated either but I don't think either set of results can lead one to say that one program is clearly better than the other.

Very nice :thumpsup:

[ColonelKurtz]

You call winning by a field goal whipping them?
20-17

I guess we demolished you guys last year with a
16-12 win? :unsure:

Vandy beat us last year and gave other teams a run for their money, I'd say they are still pretty competitive..

STFU noob, your name ain't lacene is it? When you become somebody worthy of addressing me, I'll let you know.

41-14-2 UGA and The Colonel PWN SCU!

[Benny]

At least we've got multiple SEC titles in baseball and one in basketball. We've contributed since joining. Our football is just now starting to catch up in terms of being relevant.

Huh? I guess that post wasn't a reply to mine.. but I already layed out everything each school won and I'd say it's pretty even.

[Cockfan720]

Mmkay.. not sure where you get the notion that USC is better than Mississippi State. Since SC joined the SEC, here are each school's accomplishments in the big sports.

Football
USC - 87-97-1 (.470) and 4-1 in Bowl Games
MSU - 85-102-2 (.449) and 3-3 in Bowl Games

MSU has won the Western Division once, SC has not won their division.

USC leads 7-6 Head to Head

While USC has a clear edge in football, it isn't overwhelming or "great" by any standards.

Basketball
USC - 278-251 (.525), 1 SEC Championship, 1 Divisional Title, 3 NCAA Tournaments
MSU - 314-191 (.622), 1 SEC Championship, 2 SEC Tournament Championships, 6 Divisional Titles, 8 NCAA Tournaments, 1 Final Four

MSU leads 10-6 Head to Head

MSU has had much more success especially in the postseason.

Baseball
USC - 2 SEC Championships, 1 SEC Tournament Championship, 3 CWS
MSU - 1 SEC Championship, 2 SEC Tournament Championships, 3 CWS

By this point I got tired of looking stuff up but I'd say it's pretty much dead even.

Like I said, I'm not sure where you get the impression that USC has better athletics than State when they've done nothing spectacular since joining the SEC. State hasn't dominated either but I don't think either set of results can lead one to say that one program is clearly better than the other.

I said currently, not since the SC joined the SEC. And I was mainly just referring to football. Sorry I didn't clarify that. In Football, USC has beaten Mississippi State the last five meetings going back to 2000. With that being said, I have a ton of respect for what Croom has done at MSU. MSU is always a great baseball school (much like USC) and I think those two programs are pretty equal.

And as far as basketball, there is no question that MSU has done better since joining the SEC than Carolina.

[Benny]

True.. I took your comment out of context and assumed you were talking about athletics in general since the people before you were talking about that.

No question though.. current football, USC is much better than MSU, Vandy, Kentucky, Ole Miss and probably Arkansas.. though MSU and Kentucky both had a better record than South Carolina last year.

[cocky4ever]

I think the SEC is just fine without trying to make it any better by kicking out one of its charter members. Hell, we went 7-2 in bowl games last year with two of those wins being in BCS games and we won our 2nd consecutive NC. How much more do you want? Plus kicking them out would send the message that we dont give a damn about academics just so long as a school can win some football games for the conference. I like having schools in our conference that are leaders in their main fields of study. And I like pulling for the underdogs in football games so having Vandy in the SEC makes things more interesting.

Like I said we dominate in football and remain competitive in just about every other sport. Nothing wrong with the SEC now so if it aint broke dont fix it.

[cocky87]

STFU noob, your name ain't lacene is it? When you become somebody worthy of addressing me, I'll let you know.

41-14-2 UGA and The Colonel PWN SCU!

OOOOO and if I don't I guess you will type me to death...

.fail

I'm not technically a newb Ive been here for almost a year now, I don't usually post unless It's worth posting about. Plus I took some time away.


I know what your overall record is. I never disagreed that Georgia is the better team.

So calm down and start taking your anti-depressants again or something.

[Cockfan720]

True.. I took your comment out of context and assumed you were talking about athletics in general since the people before you were talking about that.

No question though.. current football, USC is much better than MSU, Vandy, Kentucky, Ole Miss and probably Arkansas.. though MSU and Kentucky both had a better record than South Carolina last year.

Don't tell that to TDisBack or gangstaback haha.

I agree with you though. I think all of Spurrier's efforts will really start to show this year. I say we should beat all of the teams mentioned (with the exception of MSU because we don't play yall this year...thankfully...especially after the way the bulldogs finished the season).

[Benny]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates him.

[UKat]

I don't know about that. We helped out a couple of SEC players' heisman chances last year (*cough*Dmac & Tebow*cough*)

But seriously, "South Carolina doesn't make a big difference." Currently I would definately say our program is ahead of Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Mississippi State (at least). Not to mention we've made the big three in the East VERY nervous the past three years. I'm really looking forward to the Razorbacks' trip to Columbia this year. I used to have a lot of respect for Arkansas, since we both joined the conference at the same time. But some of the Arky fans on this board are freaking idiots!

And boring school...are you serious...what's there in arkansas?I don't think I'd quite get the horse ahead of the carriage........Whether UK's 7 national Championships were in bball or not doesn't matter, they have won in gymnastics, diving, baseball and are competitive in fball. I'd put us overall ahead of y'all........when y'all have one National Championships bringing publicity and respect to the SEC then I'll rank y'all ahead of us.....I'd say we're fairly even. Yes y'all have been overall better in fball......but the poster was stating what Vandy brings to the table in all athletics and if your doing that then I don't think you'd be ahead of UK yet.

Bottom line, Vandy is a founding member and deserves to be here just as much as USCw if not more. The original founding members regardless of contribution athletically deserve to be here just as much if not more than any addons. Of course this is just my opinion, but I really get tired of hearing the why don't we get rid of so and so comments.....and it seems it's usually from the younger fans/ posters.

[D^3]

How much more do you want?



I just want something to talk about other than pre-season rankings.

[Cockfan720]

I don't think I'd quite get the horse ahead of the carriage........Whether UK's 7 national Championships were in bball or not doesn't matter, they have won in gymnastics, diving, baseball and are competitive in fball. I'd put us overall ahead of y'all........when y'all have one National Championships bringing publicity and respect to the SEC then I'll rank y'all ahead of us.....I'd say we're fairly even. Yes y'all have been overall better in fball......but the poster was stating what Vandy brings to the table in all athletics and if your doing that then I don't think you'd be ahead of UK yet.

Bottom line, Vandy is a founding member and deserves to be here just as much as USCw if not more. The original founding members regardless of contribution athletically deserve to be here just as much if not more than any addons. Of course this is just my opinion, but I really get tired of hearing the why don't we get rid of so and so comments.....and it seems it's usually from the younger fans/ posters.

I agree with you in overall athletics. I failed to clarify in post that I was only talking about football. But if overall athletics, I'd have Kentucky and South Carolina fairly even.

And about Vandy, I agree. I think they should stay in the SEC. As you said they were a founding member. And as I posted above. In football the last three years they have wins in Knoxville, Columbia, Athens, and Fayettville. That's not to shabby for an SEC "cellar dweller" team. They are also very good in basketball and baseball.

[Cockfan720]

I've compiled the stats from the three major mens sports (Football, Baseball, and basketball)

These are in-conference winning-precentages since the expansion.


Football:
1) Florida (.796)
2) Tennessee (.742)
3) Auburn (.632)
4) Georgia (.617)
5) Alabama (.590)
6) LSU (.570)
7) Arkansas (.468)
8) Ole Miss (.390)
9) South Carolina (.375)
10) Mississippi State (.359)
11) Kentucky (.281)
12) Vanderbilt (.140)

Basketball:
1) Kentucky (.779)
2) Florida (.599)
3) Arkansas (.547)
4) Alabama (.518)
5) Mississippi State (.514)
6) Tennessee (.492)
7) Vanderbilt (.466)
8) Georgia (.448)
9) LSU (.433)
10) Mississippi (.411)
11) Auburn (.397)
12) South Carolina (.389)

Baseball:
1) LSU (.659)
2) Florida (.572)
3) South Carolina (.549)
4) Mississippi State (.536)
5) Alabama (.533)
6) Auburn (.511)
7) Tennessee (.510)
8) Arkansas (.496)
9) Mississippi (.467)
10) Georgia (.424)
11) Kentucky (.379)
12) Vanderbilt (.376)

Total: (this is the sum of the winning precentages)
1) Florida (1.967)
2) Tennessee (1.744)
3) LSU (1.662)
4) Alabama (1.641)
5) Auburn (1.540)
6) Arkansas (1.511)
7) Georgia (1.489)
8) Kentucky (1.439)
9) Mississippi State (1.409)
10) South Carolina (1.313)
11) Mississippi (1.268)
12) Vanderbilt (0.982)

*SEC Tournament games counted in 1993 and 1994. (Baseball)
*Baseball records through 2006 season
*Football records through 2007 season
*Basketball records through 2007-2008 season (only counting regular season games)


There might be a mistake, but I think I got it all pretty accurate. If there's a mistake let me know and I'll fix it.

[D^3]

No surprise, Vandy is taking up the rear (in more ways than one)

[TDArkansasOhmy]

I'm disappointed in you D^3. What right you have asking to replace a long time SEC foe. I feel like Nolan Richardson when telling his team before playing Vanderbilt in basketball. He said, Guys, don't be to hard on these dudes tonight, Cause tomorrow your be working for some of them.

[D^3]

I'm disappointed in you D^3. What right you have asking to replace a long time SEC foe. I feel like Nolan Richardson when telling his team before playing Vanderbilt in basketball. He said, Guys, don't be to hard on these dudes tonight, Cause tomorrow your be working for some of them.

I haven't replace anybody... I'm just bringing up the discussion. Also, seeing as how my field of study is in foreign policy and international relations, and UGA's program in that area is far more prestigious than Vanderbilt's, I highly doubt I will ever call a Vandy grad "boss."


I digress though. We're talking about athletics here. And my point is that Vanderbilt does not embrace college athletics like the rest of the schools in the SEC does.

[QC_Dawg]

It may be true that they don't put the same emphasis on athletics as the rest of the SEC, but they will NEVER get kicked out of the conference.

I am pretty chummy with a higher-up here at UGA and he told me that its a symbiotic relationship with Vandy: being in the SEC gives them money from our success, and allows the rest of the SEC to stay in good academic standing with the NCAA thanks to their scores raising the league averages. And hence, they are here for good!

but just for fun, I'll play along and say if we kicked out Vandy, I'd love for Clemson to be in the SEC. It'd make the SEC east damn near impossible... but it'd be fun. I was raised a Clemson fan, so I would love the oppurtunity to play them more often

[gangstaback]

I've compiled the stats from the three major mens sports (Football, Baseball, and basketball)

These are in-conference winning-precentages since the expansion.


Football:
7) Arkansas (.468)
Basketball:
3) Arkansas (.547)
Baseball:
8) Arkansas (.496)

There might be a mistake, but I think I got it all pretty accurate. If there's a mistake let me know and I'll fix it.

Arkansas is clearly a Basketball school. Why we cant accept that, I have no idea... but the numbers are there. Every year we get so much more hopeful about football and invest on all types of ads for football (lifesize Darren McFadden growth chart for your kids, lol), but give little respect to basketball. Stan Heath had very little backing because nobody really cared for Hog basketball until we made the SEC Tournament with him. Same with Nolan Richardson,... Bud Walton should always be full.

good stats.:thumpsup:

[BAMAPERRY]

Didn't UGA lose to Vandy two years ago and had to kick two FGs in the 4th quarter to beat them by 3 points last year? Is that why you want them out? :laugh:

[gangstaback]

I don't know about that. We helped out a couple of SEC players' heisman chances last year (*cough*Dmac & Tebow*cough*)

But seriously, "South Carolina doesn't make a big difference." Currently I would definately say our program is ahead of Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Mississippi State (at least). Not to mention we've made the big three in the East VERY nervous the past three years. I'm really looking forward to the Razorbacks' trip to Columbia this year. I used to have a lot of respect for Arkansas, since we both joined the conference at the same time. But some of the Arky fans on this board are freaking idiots!

And boring school...are you serious...what's there in arkansas?

lol, obviously my words came off a bit more harsh than i intended... i just think south carolina needs to win something soon. USC and Arkansas games are always intense... pretty cool rivalry in spite of the distance.

[Cockfan720]

lol, obviously my words came off a bit more harsh than i intended... i just think south carolina needs to win something soon. USC and Arkansas games are always intense... pretty cool rivalry in spite of the distance.

I agree that South Carolina needs to win something soon. We need to AT LEAST win our division in the next 2-3 years in football. I believe we'll be a lot more competitive in basketball with our new HC Darrin Horn. And we've represented the conference pretty well in baseball since joining in 1992.

I enjoy the USC Arkansas game as well. I am glad Dmac is gone though!!!:brick::brick: Looking forward to a good contest in November in Columbia. GO COCKS!

[Cockfan720]

It may be true that they don't put the same emphasis on athletics as the rest of the SEC, but they will NEVER get kicked out of the conference.

I am pretty chummy with a higher-up here at UGA and he told me that its a symbiotic relationship with Vandy: being in the SEC gives them money from our success, and allows the rest of the SEC to stay in good academic standing with the NCAA thanks to their scores raising the league averages. And hence, they are here for good!

but just for fun, I'll play along and say if we kicked out Vandy, I'd love for Clemson to be in the SEC. It'd make the SEC east damn near impossible... but it'd be fun. I was raised a Clemson fan, so I would love the oppurtunity to play them more often


I would love it too. If Bowden can't get it done in the ACC, the SEC would crush him. It was also intensify our rivalry (not that it needs any intensifying). GO COCKS!

[sheluvsbama]

Poor Vandy. They get a lot of beatings, but you can never tell when they might GIVE one. They have been known to. I think of them as a team you better not get too lazy about. :laugh:

[D^3]

Poor Vandy. They get a lot of beatings, but you can never tell when they might GIVE one. They have been known to. I think of them as a team you better not get too lazy about. :laugh:

I think of them as that team that every OOC team schedules when they want to brag about beating an SEC opponent.

[sheluvsbama]

I think of them as that team that every OOC team schedules when they want to brag about beating an SEC opponent.

Now that's funny! :laugh:

[BamaFanNKy]

Ok.... I have avoided this but..... It's in our conference for a few major reasons:
1. It is an easier school to beat and the whole conf. can't be a beast.
2. It's the largest TV market (30th) that the schools campus actually resides in.
3. It's still a well respected learning institution all around. It's 19th overall. The next one on the list is UF at 49th. It's still about learning.
4. Bowling National Champs bitches.
5. Good Men's & Women's Basketball, Baseball, Bowling, Tennis, swimming and Lacrosse teams. They do well in most secondary sports and compete there. They lack in football only really.
6. They have a national campus. They are a unique school in where the #2 state they pull from is California. They are a national university where the rest of the conf. are mainly state schools. So they bring more people to the SEC table.
7. Let's not forget they have beat UGA and UT more recently than UK. They also have won a road BCS OOC game more recently than 75% of the conference.
8. Do we really want to replace trips to Nashville?
9. Last, they have a great color scheme.

[BamaFanNKy]

I think of them as that team that every OOC team schedules when they want to brag about beating an SEC opponent.

In the past 5 years that could be said for:
Bama, MSU, Ole Miss, Ark., Auburn, USCe, UK & Vandy