I Wish We Could Elect A President Like This!

[GeauxTo]

Prime Minister John Howard - Australia


Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get
out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:

'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.' 'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of
the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'
'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of L ife, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,

'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.''If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

[Gator2753]

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

That is one of my fav parts. Bravo!

[crawfish]

Common sense is so refreshing!

I just don't understand why our politicians just don't get it!!!!!!!!!

[usafbamafan]

Thats it, I am officialy moving to Australia. I have been thinking this for a while. They love motorsports, the landscape and wildlife is awesome, they have politicians with balls, and they speak english.

I will miss SEC football, but I will just replace that with the local Rugby team and the Australian V8 supercars!!

[PuddingTime]

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture

AMEN!!!!!!!!

[JerryBeeds]

Word to your mother.

[azamugg]

leave out all that reference God and Christianity and this is a factual occurence:

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Muslims Out of Australia! (http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp)

[GatorBait15]

I hate how everything over here has to be politicly correct now...

[WarEagle73]

I hate how everything over here has to be politicly correct now...


We have nobody but ourselves to blame. Somewhere over the last 40 years or so two very wrong ideas crept into our national conscious. The first is that everyone shares our rights even when they are not citizens of our great republic. Second is that everyone has the right to not be offended in any way so long as you are not white, male, or Christian. If you fall into any of these three categories it's open season on you. :sad:

[zartan]

i wonder what the aborigines made of that....

[GeauxTo]

i wonder what the aborigines made of that....

I don't know... how many cars, bridges, and airplanes have they made? Homes built? Roads designed? Schools and universities started? Hospitals manned? Technologies developed? Oceanographic studies conducted?

[zartan]

I don't know... how many cars, bridges, and airplanes have they made? Homes built? Roads designed? Schools and universities started? Hospitals manned? Technologies developed? Oceanographic studies conducted?
oh, so i can move into your house if i promise to redo the roof?...

[cocky4ever]

leave out all that reference God and Christianity and this is a factual occurence:

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Muslims Out of Australia! (http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp)

The original piece made enough great points without someone coming along and trying to inject God into the equation. He even said in his exchange with other members of parliament that Australia was founded on Democracy..not Christian values like the article insists. He also said that if someone wants to live somewhere where there is Sharia law or a theocratic state there are other countries where they would be more comfortable. Kind of a far cry from the other claim that he said "it should be displayed on the walls of the schools that this country was founded by Christians."

Dont get me wrong I think the article made a lot of great points but one of my biggest pet peeves is when people put words in other peoples mouths to make that person say what they wanna say.

[zartan]

well for that matter peter pan wonder how the single cell proteins that all life developed from feel about the whole friggin world

im so glad you're not in my real life as you are nothing but, and very good at it I might add, a controversial slug
if you were in my life, i'd get a restraining order.

[GamecockDieHard]

Even the Russians have a flat tax and they're communists! (Wait for it) The USA has propagandized our youth in college and now in the public school system to be the best Marxist population on earth. Several ignorant posters on SECTalk are parroting the Marxist principles they've "learned." It's disgusting. They are the very ones propping up another Marxist...anyone running on the Democrat ticket. The problem is, they don't know enough about history to even know what they're spewing. Some pathetic professor has convinced them (and they got a good grade for following the line) that America sucks. I've found that liberals are too stupid to know that their arguments are seriously flawed. I've given up continuing a thread of discussion with most of them because it's always the same. They are the brain-dead robots of our time. Or as Karl Marx described them, "useful idiots."

Nice post Geaux. I'd rep you but I've got to "spread it around."

[zartan]

...so your idea of elevating the debate is to treat us all to a rambling, wildly off-topic barrage of insults?

[D^3]

leave out all that reference God and Christianity and this is a factual occurence:

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Muslims Out of Australia! (http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp)

Yeah I didn't need a link to know that article was blatantly misquoted. Politicians do not talk like that.

[D^3]

...so your idea of elevating the debate is to treat us all to a rambling, wildly off-topic barrage of insults?

You aren't debating... you're throwing in irrelevant bullshit.

[zartan]

really? i thought that pointing out a white christian descendant of european immigrants telling other immigrants how they should live was kind of amusing...

[D^3]

really? i thought that pointing out a white christian descendant of european immigrants telling other immigrants how they should live was kind of amusing...



Correct me if I'm wrong, but who established the nation of Australia? Oh, right... Northern European immigrants.

[Emilio7]

We have nobody but ourselves to blame. Somewhere over the last 40 years or so two very wrong ideas crept into our national conscious. The first is that everyone shares our rights even when they are not citizens of our great republic. Second is that everyone has the right to not be offended in any way so long as you are not white, male, or Christian. If you fall into any of these three categories it's open season on you. :sad:

The only reason things are that way now..Is 40 or 50 years ago white, male, Christian were the people who were offending people who were different. Now the tide has changed to some degree. I'm not saying it's right, but everyone has their tolerance level on this issue and i guess thats just the way things are now...I don't see it changing anytime soon.

The articles alright. I just don't think we should completely cut off or tell people who are different from us to get out of the country. That just starts more negative views and stereotypes. Theirs nothing wrong with the Muslim faith y'all, I think everyone has the right when they come to this country to express their faith and their beliefs. It's that their are radical Muslims out their who don't share the same views as the rest of the Muslim faith. Just like their are radical Christians who express their very extreme beliefs.

[Rebel Chuck]

This is fan damn tastic

[zartan]

you want to talk about established? the aborigines were there WAAAY before the Euros barged in, took control, and started telling other newcomers how to act.

and let's not split hairs about this: he's talking about non-white immigrants. Australia has loads of people from Croatia, Greece, and Italy, but I didn't see them mentioned by name in this quote.

[D^3]

you want to talk about established? the aborigines were there WAAAY before the Euros barged in, took control, and started telling other newcomers how to act.

and let's not split hairs about this: he's talking about non-white immigrants. Australia has loads of people from Croatia, Greece, and Italy, but I didn't see them mentioned by name in this quote.



What did the Aborigines establish? Campfires?! Cave paintings???

[Emilio7]

What did the Aborigines establish? Campfires?! Cave paintings???

Dude have some respect...Australia was theirs before European settlers came and took the land from them. It's not like the aborigines were harming anyone or invading other countries land. They were just living on the land that they were born on.Just because European settles came and established towns and a government doesn't make it better then the Aborigines life style.

We've all been taught this as children. Just because someone else has something you like or want..doesn't mean you just go take it from them and call it your own.

[D^3]

Dude have some respect...Australia was theirs before European settlers came and took the land from them. It's not like the aborigines were harming anyone or invading other countries land. They were just living on the land that they were born on.Just because European settles came and established towns and a government doesn't make it better then the Aborigines life style.

We've all been taught this as children. Just because someone else has something you like or want..doesn't mean you just go take it from them and call it your own.

Well thats just great for you kindergarten class, little Emilio, but this is the World and this is how it works. You progress and adapt, or you are extinguished and replaced by a more modern culture. It has been the cycle of this earth for centuries.

And yes, the lifestyle that the Europeans brought to Australia IS better than the Aborigine lifestyle. If you don't think thats true, you're ignorant.

[Emilio7]

Well thats just great for you kindergarten class, little Emilio, but this is the World and this is how it works. You progress and adapt, or you are extinguished and replaced by a more modern culture. It has been the cycle of this earth for centuries.

And yes, the lifestyle that the Europeans brought to Australia IS better than the Aborigine lifestyle. If you don't think thats true, you're ignorant.

No your the ignorant one dude. It wasn't like the European settlers didn't have a home or were sent to exile. And their are still cultures that are considered "old fashion" or out dated that still live around the world and people aren't trying to take over them.

I also don't think this is a "kindergarten class" or whatever you said earlier. But i think it's respect for your fellow man and his way of life. Just because his customs or ideas are different from yours doesn't mean you can just take over and tell him to leave his land or change his ways.

What gains did the Europeans get out of taking over Australia in the beginning ..nothing...they just turned it in a large island prison and brought infectious disease with them from Europe.

[azamugg]

Emilio and Zartan, sittin in a tree
uh.....gross, nevermind

[D^3]

No your the ignorant one dude. It wasn't like the European settlers didn't have a home or were sent to exile. And their are still cultures that are considered "old fashion" or out dated that still live around the world and people aren't trying to take over them.

I also don't think this is a "kindergarten class" or whatever you said earlier. But i think it's respect for your fellow man and his way of life. Just because his customs or ideas are different from yours doesn't mean you can just take over and tell him to leave his land or change his ways.

Are you 12? Have you ever taken World History?

[Emilio7]

Are you 12? Have you ever taken World History?

Dude your completely missing the point. I understand that this has been the cycle of how things have worked on earth and that when a less powerful country or culture meets another that is more advanced then itself, most likely the more advanced country will take over. But in this case it doesn't make it right.

Also i found it kind of disrespectful for you to completely right off the Aborigine lifestyle and say "oh it's ok that the European settlers came and got rid of them, they weren't doing anything to advanced themselves" ....Dude their people have alittle respect.

But whatever it's really not something to argue about.

[cocky4ever]

and let's not split hairs about this: he's talking about non-white immigrants. Australia has loads of people from Croatia, Greece, and Italy, but I didn't see them mentioned by name in this quote.

Thats because they arent trying to set up their own law outside of the Australian law. If there were a large number of Raelian immigrants from France demanding that they be allowed to clone themselves do you think they should be able to just because its part of their religion? Muslims are the ones trying to set up their own laws so they're the ones he addressed...but he also said that anyone who wants to live in a theocratic state wont find it in Australia. That takes care of any religion, country of origin, and race right there.

[zartan]

Thats because they arent trying to set up their own law outside of the Australian law. If there were a large number of Raelian immigrants from France demanding that they be allowed to clone themselves do you think they should be able to just because its part of their religion? Muslims are the ones trying to set up their own laws so they're the ones he addressed...but he also said that anyone who wants to live in a theocratic state wont find it in Australia. That takes care of any religion, country of origin, and race right there.
...right after he goes on and on about how Australia is a Christian society founded by Christian men and women. sounds like the idea of a Christian theocracy would be just dandy to him.

who cares anyway, he isn't in power anymore....

[zartan]

Emilio and Zartan, sittin in a tree
uh.....gross, nevermind
what's the matter, Aza? afraid of competition in your man-crush on me? don't worry, i don't think Emilio goes that way.

and for the final time: neither do i!

[Noah.Dreams]

I'd always heard that Australia was established as just another penal colony of England.... kinda like Georgia.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but who established the nation of Australia? Oh, right... Northern European immigrants.

[Noah.Dreams]

I am more than a little amazed at the intelligent conversation. So I'm awarding you a 5 star rating.

Kinda reminds of the time Opie and his pals didn't want to study history and the Sheriff told 'em about Paul Revere's ride...

and the next day in Miss Crump's class an argument broke out....

oooooh nevermind.

[azamugg]

...right after he goes on and on about how Australia is a Christian society founded by Christian men and women. sounds like the idea of a Christian theocracy would be just dandy to him.

who cares anyway, he isn't in power anymore....



the Christian rhetoric was placed in the actual dialogue by others, if you go to the Snopes link I provided in a post it will take you to the actual dialogue

[D^3]

Dude your completely missing the point. I understand that this has been the cycle of how thins have worked on earth and that we a less powerful country or culture meets another that is more advanced then itself, most likely the more advanced country will take over. But in this case it doesn't make it right.

Also i found it kind of dis respectful for you to completely right off the Aborigine lifestyle and say "oh it's ok that the European settlers came and got rid of them, they weren't doing anything to advanced themselves" ....Dude their people have alittle respect.




You can't even spell or use proper grammar. How do you expect me to believe that you even comprehend the basics of how the international system works? Get back to your homework and stop wasting time on the internet.

[Zee]

you want to talk about established? the aborigines were there WAAAY before the Euros barged in, took control, and started telling other newcomers how to act.

and let's not split hairs about this: he's talking about non-white immigrants. Australia has loads of people from Croatia, Greece, and Italy, but I didn't see them mentioned by name in this quote.

OH my bleeding heart!!

[zartan]

OH my bleeding heart!!
your avatar is an apt one...