Quotes From Obama's Books - WOW!

[GeauxTo]

Quotes from Barack Obama’s writings…

·From Dreams of My Father:
'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

·From Dreams of My Father:
'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

·From Dreams of My Father:
'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

·From Dreams of My Father:
'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

·From Dreams of My Father:
'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela.'

·From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

[volimhtown]

You're obsession with Obama is getting a little creepy!! :sad:

[GeauxTo]

You're obsession with Obama is getting a little creepy!! :sad:

I just don't won't the SOB as a president. IMO, he's dangerous.
Doesn't the following upset you?

'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

[azamugg]

Im with you Geaux..........I think Geaux's point is that whether this guy is black, white, latino, short, tall, or any of the above, with the info about him (i.e.these quotes) that is readily available, how could one make the decision to vote for him for President of the United States of all positions

[volimhtown]

BUT....much like virtually everything else that's been posted on here about him, there's zero information regarding... #1. the context or intent of what's being said, #2. the validity (I'm kind of big on that one), or #3. the relativity to his candidacy.
And I'll go out on a limb and suggest that you haven't read either of those books, so that pretty much invalidates the intent of posting the quotes. In fact, I am MUCH more suspect about the person who blindly posts this crap.
Obviously you're free to copy and paste this crap, but it's getting very tired IMO.

[azamugg]

w/him even having the numbers he has now, not tired enough

[volimhtown]

w/him even having the numbers he has now, not tired enough

Yeah, but seriously....do you really think it's having an effect?? And if so, to your benefit?? Because I'll be honest....every thread I see like this just strengthens my resolve against the "right" and makes me think even more that I should vote for Obama. :thumpsup:

[azamugg]

Yeah, but seriously....do you really think it's having an effect?? And if so, to your benefit?? Because I'll be honest....every thread I see like this just strengthens my resolve against the "right" and makes me think even more that I should vote for Obama. :thumpsup:

well thats your own special psychological issue......good luck with that

[GatorNation]

Quotes from Barack Obama’s writings…

·From Dreams of My Father:
'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

·From Dreams of My Father:
'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

·From Dreams of My Father:
'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

·From Dreams of My Father:
'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

·From Dreams of My Father:
'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela.'

·From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'


WOW...

Un-freak'n-believeable.

[WarEagle73]

BUT....much like virtually everything else that's been posted on here about him, there's zero information regarding... #1. the context or intent of what's being said, #2. the validity (I'm kind of big on that one), or #3. the relativity to his candidacy.
And I'll go out on a limb and suggest that you haven't read either of those books, so that pretty much invalidates the intent of posting the quotes. In fact, I am MUCH more suspect about the person who blindly posts this crap.
Obviously you're free to copy and paste this crap, but it's getting very tired IMO.

What kind of context can one derive from these statements? Take off the political glasses and see through to the truth. He is racist. He speaks eloquently (and vaguely) about change, but he's still a racist. He has broad and sweeping plans for what he wants to do as president (though what the details of the plans are is anyone's guess), but he's still a racist. No matter what you say, think or believe about Obama, you cannot escape the unavoidable truth that at his core he is a racist.

You can face this truth and still support him if you want. This is a free country after all. You are free to hate whomever you want. But if you are going to support him, in order to preserve your on intellectual integrity you must openly admit that you support a known racist for president.

[GatorNation]

What kind of context can one derive from these statements? Take off the political glasses and see through to the truth. He is racist. He speaks eloquently (and vaguely) about change, but he's still a racist. He has broad and sweeping plans for what he wants to do as president (though what the details of the plans are is anyone's guess), but he's still a racist. No matter what you say, think or believe about Obama, you cannot escape the unavoidable truth that at his core he is a racist.

You can face this truth and still support him if you want. This is a free country after all. You are free to hate whomever you want. But if you are going to support him, in order to preserve your on intellectual integrity you must openly admit that you support a known racist for president.

And I think it's well beyond coincidence that racist comments were made by his wife, too....not to mention the whole Jeremiah Wright fiasco.

Where there's smoke...

[autiger1126]

The last one worries me the most. Why would we want a president to make his political decisions solely based on a religious position.

[WarEagle73]

And I think it's well beyond coincidence that racist comments were made by his wife, too....not to mention the whole Jeremiah Wright fiasco.

Where there's smoke...

You are exactly right. These comments are his own and are patently clear as to their meaning and intent. Those who hear these words and yet still choose to support Obama need to do some soul searching. There comes a point where we can blind ourselves to reality by allowing our political leanings overcome our sense of good judgement. I would suggest those who still support Obama at this point ask themselves the uncomfortable question that were they to hear these words from someone they are politicly opposed too, would they attempt to defend these words as they are now with Obama? If they cannot say that they would defend these words from say a white republican, then they have allowed themselves let go their own better judgement and are now no more than blind followers to a cult of personality. They are no different than the throngs that worshiped Hitler in the 1930's. :ohbfrank:

[cocky4ever]

And I think it's well beyond coincidence that racist comments were made by his wife, too....not to mention the whole Jeremiah Wright fiasco.

Where there's smoke...

Agreed. You have to add it all up to get the sum of all parts. Theres way too many things to be wary about with him. I'd say the people he's closest to(his wife and pastor) both think this country and its "white" system is inherently evil.


And what kind of context can we use to feel better about him finding solace in nursing an animosity towards the white race?? If you can justify that then you can go justify someone at a klan rally having animosity towards the black race.

[WarEagle73]

The last one worries me the most. Why would we want a president to make his political decisions solely based on a religious position.

I think you touch on a key point here. What would the reaction be from the left were John McCain have said the same exact thing about standing with Christians? and more importantly what exactly does he mean by "stand with the Muslims"? The President takes an oath that binds him to stand for the United States of America and nobody else.

Why is it that these snippets have not been brought forth by our national media? I'm sure somebody at ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, or FOX have read these books at some point or another.

[volimhtown]

What kind of context can one derive from these statements? Take off the political glasses and see through to the truth. He is racist. He speaks eloquently (and vaguely) about change, but he's still a racist. He has broad and sweeping plans for what he wants to do as president (though what the details of the plans are is anyone's guess), but he's still a racist. No matter what you say, think or believe about Obama, you cannot escape the unavoidable truth that at his core he is a racist.

You can face this truth and still support him if you want. This is a free country after all. You are free to hate whomever you want. But if you are going to support him, in order to preserve your on intellectual integrity you must openly admit that you support a known racist for president.

Please tell me what political glasses I am looking through!! :angry: I don't solely side with either party and I've already come out and stated that I'll likely not vote for ANY of the big 3, so what agenda am I bringing to the table??

Secondly, how do you read the aforementioned quotes and come to the conclusion that he's a racist?? :angry: Don't you think that that's a bit self-serving?? Can it not simply be the thoughts of a conflicted teenage boy who's growing up a product of a bi-racial marraige in the 60s?? Nah....I guess that would make sense...that would be taking the quotes in context...that would take a little humility since none of us (to my knowledge) were raised faced with the challenges that he was.:angry: You're right.... he's CLEARLY a racist!! :wacko: I mean, it sure seems to me that he's expressing thoughts that he had when he was a child versus conclusions he's come to as an adult!! Admitting that I myself have not read the book, how do you come to any conclusion to the contrary UNLESS you're wearing "political glasses"??

Finally, with regards to the final quote, again where is the angst lacking the context?? "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction". Problem?? I mean, I guess the first question would be for him to define "political winds shifting in an ugly direction". Even then, since the Muslim religion is based on peace, I still don't see a problem. Oh wait...some of you still equate "muslim" to "radical muslim fundamentalist" and "terrorist". OK...I got it now! :thumpsup: But wait....how do you justify that rationale and still call somebody else a racist?? Oh well, I guess that's my problem. :wacko:

[cocky4ever]

I think you touch on a key point here. What would the reaction be from the left were John McCain have said the same exact thing about standing with Christians? and more importantly what exactly does he mean by "stand with the Muslims"? The President takes an oath that binds him to stand for the United States of America and nobody else.

Why is it that these snippets have not been brought forth by our national media? I'm sure somebody at ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, or FOX have read these books at some point or another.

Thats easy...they're saving them for when he takes the democratic nomination and its closer to election time.

[volimhtown]

The last one worries me the most. Why would we want a president to make his political decisions solely based on a religious position.

That's arguably the FUNNIEST thing ever written on this board!! :laugh:

[WarEagle73]

Please tell me what political glasses I am looking through!! :angry: I don't solely side with either party and I've already come out and stated that I'll likely not vote for ANY of the big 3, so what agenda am I bringing to the table??

Secondly, how do you read the aforementioned quotes and come to the conclusion that he's a racist?? :angry: Don't you think that that's a bit self-serving?? Can it not simply be the thoughts of a conflicted teenage boy who's growing up a product of a bi-racial marraige in the 60s?? Nah....I guess that would make sense...that would be taking the quotes in context...that would take a little humility since none of us (to my knowledge) were raised faced with the challenges that he was.:angry: You're right.... he's CLEARLY a racist!! :wacko: I mean, it sure seems to me that he's expressing thoughts that he had when he was a child versus conclusions he's come to as an adult!! Admitting that I myself have not read the book, how do you come to any conclusion to the contrary UNLESS you're wearing "political glasses"??

Finally, with regards to the final quote, again where is the angst lacking the context?? "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction". Problem?? I mean, I guess the first question would be for him to define "political winds shifting in an ugly direction". Even then, since the Muslim religion is based on peace, I still don't see a problem. Oh wait...some of you still equate "muslim" to "radical muslim fundamentalist" and "terrorist". OK...I got it now! :thumpsup: But wait....how do you justify that rationale and still call somebody else a racist?? Oh well, I guess that's my problem. :wacko:


If you cannot see for yourself the racism that is dripping from these statements then there is nothing I can say or do to make you see them. There is no point in carrying on this debate. You cannot debate someone that has shielded themselves from reality and truth.

[GatorBait15]

I dont like this Obama guy you speak of.

[azamugg]

Yeah, but seriously....do you really think it's having an effect?? And if so, to your benefit?? Because I'll be honest....every thread I see like this just strengthens my resolve against the "right" and makes me think even more that I should vote for Obama. :thumpsup:

Please tell me what political glasses I am looking through!! :angry: I don't solely side with either party and I've already come out and stated that I'll likely not vote for ANY of the big 3, so what agenda am I bringing to the table??

Secondly, how do you read the aforementioned quotes and come to the conclusion that he's a racist?? :



first off madman, the above bolded quote is where we pick up your political glasses

secondly we're not complete nonunderstanding A-holes, we understand his life and how it mightve affected his outlook/opinions/mindset etc and that it might've changed..........but for gods sake, all we're saying is he's just a man running for president and from what we gather he represents "bad odds"

[volimhtown]

If you cannot see for yourself the racism that is dripping from these statements then there is nothing I can say or do to make you see them. There is no point in carrying on this debate. You cannot debate someone that has shielded themselves from reality and truth.

If thoughts from a teenage boy are "reality and truth", then please tell me the name of the bone that's between every teenage boys legs!! :laugh:

The "reality and truth" of the matter is that you're making a mountain out of a mole hill with regards to these specific comments!! :thumpsup:

[cocky4ever]

Please tell me what political glasses I am looking through!! :angry: I don't solely side with either party and I've already come out and stated that I'll likely not vote for ANY of the big 3, so what agenda am I bringing to the table??

Secondly, how do you read the aforementioned quotes and come to the conclusion that he's a racist?? :angry: Don't you think that that's a bit self-serving?? Can it not simply be the thoughts of a conflicted teenage boy who's growing up a product of a bi-racial marraige in the 60s?? Nah....I guess that would make sense...that would be taking the quotes in context...that would take a little humility since none of us (to my knowledge) were raised faced with the challenges that he was.:angry: You're right.... he's CLEARLY a racist!! :wacko: I mean, it sure seems to me that he's expressing thoughts that he had when he was a child versus conclusions he's come to as an adult!! Admitting that I myself have not read the book, how do you come to any conclusion to the contrary UNLESS you're wearing "political glasses"??

Finally, with regards to the final quote, again where is the angst lacking the context?? "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction". Problem?? I mean, I guess the first question would be for him to define "political winds shifting in an ugly direction". Even then, since the Muslim religion is based on peace, I still don't see a problem. Oh wait...some of you still equate "muslim" to "radical muslim fundamentalist" and "terrorist". OK...I got it now! :thumpsup: But wait....how do you justify that rationale and still call somebody else a racist?? Oh well, I guess that's my problem. :wacko:

Well if he has gotten past his "teen angst" animosity towards the white race one would think that he wouldnt choose to go sit and listen to someone spew the same type of animosity every week.

And Islam isnt based on peace...no religion is. Islam means "submission". Submission to the will of God. If its Gods will to go to war then you must submit to that will.

[WarEagle73]

If thoughts from a teenage boy are "reality and truth", then please tell me the name of the bone that's between every teenage boys legs!! :laugh:

The "reality and truth" of the matter is that you're making a mountain out of a mole hill with regards to these specific comments!! :thumpsup:


Please share with me what about him leads you to think these beliefs of his have changed.

[crimsonnation713]

Between this book, his "pastor" (I use the term very loosely), and his wife I believe Mr. Obama's feelings are pretty self-evident. I had some leanings toward Obama because I felt he was truly wanting change in America but I think what he truly believes is that whites are still evil to a point.
Now the hard part is to decide who to vote for. I really don't know because I truly don't trust anyone at this point.

[GatorNation]

Please tell me what political glasses I am looking through!! :angry: I don't solely side with either party and I've already come out and stated that I'll likely not vote for ANY of the big 3, so what agenda am I bringing to the table??

Secondly, how do you read the aforementioned quotes and come to the conclusion that he's a racist?? :angry: Don't you think that that's a bit self-serving?? Can it not simply be the thoughts of a conflicted teenage boy who's growing up a product of a bi-racial marraige in the 60s?? Nah....I guess that would make sense...that would be taking the quotes in context...that would take a little humility since none of us (to my knowledge) were raised faced with the challenges that he was.:angry: You're right.... he's CLEARLY a racist!! :wacko: I mean, it sure seems to me that he's expressing thoughts that he had when he was a child versus conclusions he's come to as an adult!! Admitting that I myself have not read the book, how do you come to any conclusion to the contrary UNLESS you're wearing "political glasses"??

Finally, with regards to the final quote, again where is the angst lacking the context?? "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction". Problem?? I mean, I guess the first question would be for him to define "political winds shifting in an ugly direction". Even then, since the Muslim religion is based on peace, I still don't see a problem. Oh wait...some of you still equate "muslim" to "radical muslim fundamentalist" and "terrorist". OK...I got it now! :thumpsup: But wait....how do you justify that rationale and still call somebody else a racist?? Oh well, I guess that's my problem. :wacko:


I don't know, vol. I totally see your point, but there does seem to be enough about which to be concerned, especially (but not exclusively) because we're talking about a presidential candidate.

One thing is clear: the quotes aren't positives. I think we can all agree on that...and there is a serious problem if Obama believes even half of what the comments imply. That's also pretty clear.

As an independent, I was seriously thinking about voting for Obama. I had written off the Jeremiah Wright junk as crazy things one pastor said, and I believed Obama when he said that he denounced those comments and often rejected many of the things JR preached from the pulpit.

Then he had to denounce Farrakhan's (sp?) endorsement...and now we're parsing racially-compromised statements published by him and his wife. How much slack does he get? I think there is a fair test: if McCain said the things Obama and his wife have said (obviously switching the "white" and "black" designations), would the reaction be the same? I seriously, seriously doubt it.

I'll take any Clinton (even the kid) over a candidate who even hints at being a racist or using the presidency as a means to exact some personal racial agenda or legislative reparations.

Outside of another terrorist attack, that's the last thing this country needs....

[volimhtown]

Please share with me what about him leads you to think these beliefs of his have changed.

All I have is my own personal experience and the knowledge of many others who experienced the same. You have ALL KINDS of thoughts when you're a teenager and even a young adult. I'd be mortified if I were judged on specific thoughts or leanings that I had at an early age.
Luckily, you mature (most of us) and learn to see things differently and from different views. Without knowing Mr. Obama personally, I extend him the general and minimal respect that he too has matured. Considering what he has accomplished in this country despite his obvious obstacles says something good about him.

[timNem]

Well if he has gotten past his "teen angst" animosity towards the white race one would think that he wouldnt choose to go sit and listen to someone spew the same type of animosity every week.

And Islam isnt based on peace...no religion is. Islam means "submission". Submission to the will of God. If its Gods will to go to war then you must submit to that will.
yep, I almost have all the info I need to know when I see the Nation of Islam so giddy over a candidate

[UKat]

I have always believed that he is a muslim.........I don't trust him any further than I could spit. I'd vote for Alan Keyes in a heartbeat, but Obama is wayyyy too liberal and I think he would finally be the straw that breaks the back of our country and it doesn't lack much from that happening. I believe our nation is very close to being at a breaking point....we're closer than we think to desparate times.

Grain prices higher than ever, fuel prices higher than ever, voters confidence in our politicians at an all time low, our borders bleeding to death, the liberal media convincing the citizens that the economy has tanked.....it doesn't bode well if he were to get elected...though I doubt McCain would be much better.

[cocky4ever]

I have always believed that he is a muslim.........I don't trust him any further than I could spit. I'd vote for Alan Keyes in a heartbeat, but Obama is wayyyy too liberal and I think he would finally be the straw that breaks the back of our country and it doesn't lack much from that happening. I believe our nation is very close to being at a breaking point....we're closer than we think to desparate times.

Grain prices higher than ever, fuel prices higher than ever, voters confidence in our politicians at an all time low, our borders bleeding to death, the liberal media convincing the citizens that the economy has tanked.....it doesn't bode well if he were to get elected...though I doubt McCain would be much better.


You make a lot of great points but you kinda lost me at"the liberal media is convincing the citizens that the economy has tanked". Our economy isnt designed to be run on "$100+/barrel" oil. Everything is going up because of it and everyone has less money because of it. There is no end in the foreseeable future. So who needs the media to tell us that our economy is on a downhill path and we havent figured out how to use the brakes?

[OleMissPike]

BUT....much like virtually everything else that's been posted on here about him, there's zero information regarding... #1. the context or intent of what's being said,

I respect you vol, but Obama takes everything out of context so why should he be given treatment he doesn't give anyone else?

[Emilio7]

"The last one worries me the most. Why would we want a president to make his political decisions solely based on a religious position."

Dude Bush did the exact same thing when he was trying to validate the iraq war . saying "God told him to do " or something along the lines of "I talk to God". Give a rest Obama's not that bad and I rather have him then some old-@ss vet who thinks we should spend another 100 years in a iraq.

McCain's only goal is to win the iraq war...not rebuild the economy or anything along those lines. That scares me more then Obama.

[zartan]

i'm frightened of Obama, too. we can't have someone so un-American in charge. just think of what might happen!...

he'd probably try to sell control of our ports to Dubai, or enter into shady alliances with Muslim tyrants like the House of Saud or something like that. heck, if a commie Muslim like him gets elected, we might even suffer a terrorist attack on our own soil.

gosh, we couldn't support anything like that!

[azamugg]

i'm frightened of Obama, too. we can't have someone so un-American in charge. just think of what might happen!...

he'd probably try to sell control of our ports to Dubai, or enter into shady alliances with Muslim tyrants like the House of Saud or something like that. heck, if a commie Muslim like him gets elected, we might even suffer a terrorist attack on our own soil.

gosh, we couldn't support anything like that!



so just take a chance when you have choices and vote for Obama...right?

[BamaFreak]

[QUOTE=Emilio7;410147McCain's only goal is to win the iraq war...not rebuild the economy or anything along those lines. That scares me more then Obama.[/QUOTE]

And what, exactly, is Obama's plan for rebuilding the economy? What is his plan for anything? This is my biggest concern about him, not his personal politics. I try and imagine his first day in office, and all my mind can generate is him sitting at his desk and asking his closest advisor, "Okay, now what?" The only thing he has demonstrated so far is his amazing ability to generate feel-good rhetoric. It helps win an election, but it has little value as a practical solution to the country's problems.

[zartan]

so just take a chance when you have choices and vote for Obama...right?
well, this does seem to be an election about change. every voter takes a chance when there is no incumbent. no-one knows for sure what a politican will do when he/she gets into office.

in this election, we seem to be arguing over how much change we need in America.

[scfan5338]

And what, exactly, is Obama's plan for rebuilding the economy? What is his plan for anything? This is my biggest concern about him, not his personal politics. I try and imagine his first day in office, and all my mind can generate is him sitting at his desk and asking his closest advisor, "Okay, now what?" The only thing he has demonstrated so far is his amazing ability to generate feel-good rhetoric. It helps win an election, but it has little value as a practical solution to the country's problems.

Cut taxes for middle class families, increase taxes on the richest 1% of income earners. Roll back the bush tax cuts. Cut the corporate tax and bring the dividends tax back to pre-bush era. increase government spending to boost the economy (keysian economic policy).

I would love to see McCain's policy. Well actually I know what it is, spent $10000000000000000000000 in Iraq, give tax cuts to the rich and increase the deficit but another 5 trillion in the next 4 years.

[scfan5338]

i'm frightened of Obama, too. we can't have someone so un-American in charge. just think of what might happen!...

he'd probably try to sell control of our ports to Dubai, or enter into shady alliances with Muslim tyrants like the House of Saud or something like that. heck, if a commie Muslim like him gets elected, we might even suffer a terrorist attack on our own soil.

gosh, we couldn't support anything like that!

He's not a f-ing muslim. He has been going to a christian church for over 20 years. He grew up in that faith and quite honestly, if you did the same, you couldn't do anything about it when you were that age either. At that time in Indonesia, this radical stuff wasn't even being taught. This radical crap is mainly in pakistan, afghanistan, iran etc.

What is wrong with someone who says that he is willing to negotiate with someone? Not all muslims are like the few in Al-Qida and whatever. Your boy Bush is best buds with the House of Saud, and so is your boy Cheney. They republicans in office right now have a damn good relationship with Abu-dubai and the saudi's. Why the heck did bush not step in and say anything when Dubai invested $5 billion in JPmorgan and $8 in Citi Financial? They Ways and Means committee was screaming telling Citi and JPMorgan Chase to not collect that money because this means that they are controling more and more of the economy in this country. Just liek your boy bush is not doing anything about the chinese government buying 3com the company that controls US national security (computers for army, airforce, pentagon). You are just another one of those that can't stand Obama and you WANT to believe that he is a muslim.

[Emilio7]

Y'all he's not muslim....thats just another easy way for people to be scared of something they don't understand and last time i checked this is America, which means whatever you are shouldn't matter that much.

If you elected McCain your going to hear the same thing you've heard on the news since 2002. Theirs no gain in us being in Iraq..plain and simple. Why would you want to elected someone who's sole agenda is to stay in Iraq and try to prove that America isn't weak.

[BamaFreak]

Cut taxes for middle class families, increase taxes on the richest 1% of income earners. Roll back the bush tax cuts. Cut the corporate tax and bring the dividends tax back to pre-bush era. increase government spending to boost the economy (keysian economic policy).

Assuming all of this is true (and I flat don't believe the first entry) it's no different than anything Hillary (or any other democrat) would have done. It's the usual democrat plan: increase taxes and spend money like crazy. Of course, the republicans' plan isn't much better (lower taxes and spend money like crazy.) It just doesn't cost me as much.

Q: What's the difference between capitalism and socialism?

A: In capitalism, man exploits man. In socialism, it's the other way around!

Furthermore, if you're expecting me to prop up McCain, you are going to be sorely disappointed. I'd rather sign up for a weekly root canal than see him, Hillary OR Obama be elected to the office of President. McCain, Hillary or Obama....a fossil, a flake and a marxist. God save us all.....

[BamaFreak]

He's not a f-ing muslim. He has been going to a christian church for over 20 years.

Correct, he is not a muslim. However, to call that sh*thole he went to a "Christian Church" is quite a leap. I don't recall ever hearing that getting together and bitching about whites, conservatives, republicans and basically anything American qualifies as Christian worship.

[GatorNation]

Cut taxes for middle class families, increase taxes on the richest 1% of income earners. Roll back the bush tax cuts. Cut the corporate tax and bring the dividends tax back to pre-bush era. increase government spending to boost the economy (keysian economic policy).

If Obama and his wife are, in fact, racists (or have very strong racist tendencies), there will be a lot more to the policy than that....

[Emilio7]

Correct, he is not a muslim. However, to call that sh*thole he went to a "Christian Church" is quite a leap. I don't recall ever hearing that getting together and bitching about whites, conservatives, republicans and basically anything American qualifies as Christian worship.

I'm sure at one time/ or maybe even in present day America their are a few predominantly white churches that make comments about minorities. It goes both ways dude.

[KRIEGER]

Listen. Obama is the f-----g Anti-Christ. The Seven Year Tribulation is upon us. No need for elucidation, and only time will create your realization. But who cares, eh? WAR EAGLE..... :sarcasmoff:

[BamaFreak]

I'm sure at one time/ or maybe even in present day America their are a few predominantly white churches that make comments about minorities. It goes both ways dude.

And guess what: you show me a guy who went to one of those churches whose primary function is to rail against minorities, Jews, Catholics, etc and then tries to run for president after going there for 20+ years, and I'll show you a guy who isn't getting my vote, either. If someone goes to a "place" like that for any measurable length of time, then he or she just as big a racist sh*thead as Jeremiah Wright.

[ColonelKurtz]

In reading through this thread, I've yet to find one poster who truly grasps the enormity of what this election stands for, both in the near term and for the future of our Nation as we currently know it.

While you all have been going about your daily lives the last few months, our World has been slowly but surely sinking into a depression cycle, a long overdue one. The first US media reports of food riots are hitting the lesser sites now and when it really becomes out of control, the major media will grudgingly report about it but only after sanitizing it with their own political slant. Costco has asked its customers in Cali to not horde Rice and don't be surprised to see runs on that commodity in your areas as immigrants from Asia seek to send it to their starving relatives back home. With Commodity Food prices soaring due to climatic cycles and asinine Governmental actions (ethanol production & subsidies), major food importer Nations like Japan are facing World War II styled rationing of key items like butter, eggs, and meats. And this is only the beginning of what will be a scary time for those of you younger than I.

In my business it is a daily deal keeping track of the News, the Markets, and all of the various and sundry items which factor into the big picture of Global Trade. For over 18 months, the signs have been warning of a crisis which could reach generational proportions unless proper actions were enacted. Our Government and its leadership succumbed to political pressures and acceded to the relaxing of LONG ESTABLISHED Financial practices and safeguards by embracing the concept of easy credit and using Race as their reason. This seemingly judicious action by the Congress was to address the facade posed by Leftist Democrats that US Financial Institutions unfairly demanded that working class minorities meet income/payment ratios which were unfairly structured and prevented them from attaining the American Dream of Home Ownership. The reality is that this ploy was another Social engineering stunt designed to disperse the high concentration of minorities from the inner cities and into the suburbs so as to lessen the odds of racial unrest when and if another economic contraction cycle occurred. By forcing banks and lenders into extending mortgages to non-qualified applicants, the inventories of new homes would then be reduced, keeping the builders going and thus keeping the economy rolling along. Atlanta was the template for this ploy and today my County is bordering on collapse as the rate of foreclosures and vacancies have led to a breakdown in the local economy. Business closures have turned a once bustling bedroom area into a blight ridden squatter's haven as folks simply walk away from the homes they couldn't afford to begin with. UBS and other enormously huge banks stand at the bring of collapse because they took on all of these Liar Loans and made billions by creating a means to trade them back and forth with each other, all with the blessing of Washington! While the appearance of helping the working poor gain the solid ground of home ownership was touted by an eager media on the evening news, the back channels told of insane riches and wealth of Wall Street bankers and brokers who feted their top "producers" with seven figure bonuses and luxury items not seen since the Gilded Age. Nothing backed up all this wealth but paper and now that all of these participants in the Fiat Economic Miracle, including our Government and the rest of the World (yes, the Chinese & Indians were willing participants in this scandal) must answer for it. The heinous tragedy is that it is once again those who can least afford it that will bare the brunt of the fallout and the human tragedy which spins forth will rival the worse this Planet has ever seen.

The next President will face the following:

->Global Depression
->Global Famine
->Insurrection
->High probability of War due to all of the above

Of the three, who is the most intelligent selection? Since one of them will be elected and not voting leaves you with pot luck and no ability to bitch, I see it like this:

Obama: My 22 year old Daughter would be a superior candidate. She's gorgeous and has my ability to tell someone to go to hell so that they look forward to the trip. Obama might be a pretty man but he's never done a thing in his entire life which tells me he has the sack needed. Neither does my daughter but that's why she carries a knife. Obama has them sticking out of his back about right now.

Hitlery: If she is the candidate or not, she has no chance either. No real Man will vote for her and most Women view her as a true fake.

McCain: The Republican nominee is an open book: A true Rockefeller Republican who is firmly in Wall Street's pocket. Most Liberal candidate running, he'll open the borders and we'll be speaking Mandarin within two generations. God help us.

[GatorNation]

In reading through this thread, I've yet to find one poster who truly grasps the enormity of what this election stands for, both in the near term and for the future of our Nation as we currently know it.

While you all have been going about your daily lives the last few months, our World has been slowly but surely sinking into a depression cycle, a long overdue one. The first US media reports of food riots are hitting the lesser sites now and when it really becomes out of control, the major media will grudgingly report about it but only after sanitizing it with their own political slant. Costco has asked its customers in Cali to not horde Rice and don't be surprised to see runs on that commodity in your areas as immigrants from Asia seek to send it to their starving relatives back home. With Commodity Food prices soaring due to climatic cycles and asinine Governmental actions (ethanol production & subsidies), major food importer Nations like Japan are facing World War II styled rationing of key items like butter, eggs, and meats. And this is only the beginning of what will be a scary time for those of you younger than I.

In my business it is a daily deal keeping track of the News, the Markets, and all of the various and sundry items which factor into the big picture of Global Trade. For over 18 months, the signs have been warning of a crisis which could reach generational proportions unless proper actions were enacted. Our Government and its leadership succumbed to political pressures and acceded to the relaxing of LONG ESTABLISHED Financial practices and safeguards by embracing the concept of easy credit and using Race as their reason. This seemingly judicious action by the Congress was to address the facade posed by Leftist Democrats that US Financial Institutions unfairly demanded that working class minorities meet income/payment ratios which were unfairly structured and prevented them from attaining the American Dream of Home Ownership. The reality is that this ploy was another Social engineering stunt designed to disperse the high concentration of minorities from the inner cities and into the suburbs so as to lessen the odds of racial unrest when and if another economic contraction cycle occurred. By forcing banks and lenders into extending mortgages to non-qualified applicants, the inventories of new homes would then be reduced, keeping the builders going and thus keeping the economy rolling along. Atlanta was the template for this ploy and today my County is bordering on collapse as the rate of foreclosures and vacancies have led to a breakdown in the local economy. Business closures have turned a once bustling bedroom area into a blight ridden squatter's haven as folks simply walk away from the homes they couldn't afford to begin with. UBS and other enormously huge banks stand at the bring of collapse because they took on all of these Liar Loans and made billions by creating a means to trade them back and forth with each other, all with the blessing of Washington! While the appearance of helping the working poor gain the solid ground of home ownership was touted by an eager media on the evening news, the back channels told of insane riches and wealth of Wall Street bankers and brokers who feted their top "producers" with seven figure bonuses and luxury items not seen since the Gilded Age. Nothing backed up all this wealth but paper and now that all of these participants in the Fiat Economic Miracle, including our Government and the rest of the World (yes, the Chinese & Indians were willing participants in this scandal) must answer for it. The heinous tragedy is that it is once again those who can least afford it that will bare the brunt of the fallout and the human tragedy which spins forth will rival the worse this Planet has ever seen.

The next President will face the following:

->Global Depression
->Global Famine
->Insurrection
->High probability of War due to all of the above

Of the three, who is the most intelligent selection? Since one of them will be elected and not voting leaves you with pot luck and no ability to bitch, I see it like this:

Obama: My 22 year old Daughter would be a superior candidate. She's gorgeous and has my ability to tell someone to go to hell so that they look forward to the trip. Obama might be a pretty man but he's never done a thing in his entire life which tells me he has the sack needed. Neither does my daughter but that's why she carries a knife. Obama has them sticking out of his back about right now.

Hitlery: If she is the candidate or not, she has no chance either. No real Man will vote for her and most Women view her as a true fake.

McCain: The Republican nominee is an open book: A true Rockefeller Republican who is firmly in Wall Street's pocket. Most Liberal candidate running, he'll open the borders and we'll be speaking Mandarin within two generations. God help us.


So, Colonel, in your infinite wisdom, which of the candidates will be the least of all evils?

I'm assuming you consider a write-in vote just as impractical and/or problematic as not voting at all....

[ColonelKurtz]

So, Colonel, in your infinite wisdom, which of the candidates will be the least of all evils?

I'm assuming you consider a write-in vote just as impractical and/or problematic as not voting at all....

There is no lesser of the three evils, sorry. This election is sorta like Chinese Hell, there are many different kinds but they are all still Hell.

And I don't know so much about being wise as much as I do invest considerable capital and energy into keeping up with what is going on. My business is about business so regardless of where it is, I must know as much as possible about whatever local or national issues could affect it. Just as Doctors and other Professionals return to learn the newest developments in their fields, those in mine must do so in several disciplines lest they suddenly become lost in the the noise.

McCain gives us a Democratic Congress vs. a Republican President and that's as good a scenario for us regular folks as any. The two at odds keeps them somewhat at bay instead of giving one party the ability to really do harm right now.

Congress is actually a greater danger to us all than whomever is President and that is where voting becomes most important.

[scfan5338]

Colonel, it was the republicans and Allan Greenspan that brought about the adjusted mortgages rates and not the leftist democracts as you are saying. I have just plenty of research on that topic because I'm studying Finance and economics and I've done several speeches on that very subject in many of my classes. The concept of deregulating the mortgage industry started to Ronald Regan and has continued through Bush years. Allan Greenspan himself has state that he is the one who brought about the ARM rates because President Bush in his econmic policy has stated so and they disagreed on this very much, but at the end of the day he had to do what the man says.

[scfan5338]

Obama: My 22 year old Daughter would be a superior candidate. She's gorgeous and has my ability to tell someone to go to hell so that they look forward to the trip. Obama might be a pretty man but he's never done a thing in his entire life which tells me he has the sack needed. Neither does my daughter but that's why she carries a knife. Obama has them sticking out of his back about right now.

Hitlery: If she is the candidate or not, she has no chance either. No real Man will vote for her and most Women view her as a true fake.

McCain: The Republican nominee is an open book: A true Rockefeller Republican who is firmly in Wall Street's pocket. Most Liberal candidate running, he'll open the borders and we'll be speaking Mandarin within two generations. God help us.

No, your daughter would not be a better candidate than Obama, period. First off, he has done more than your daughter so that ends it right there.

Hillary, well shes just hillary. I would rather vote for her than McCrap because quite frankly I want out of Iraq now.

McCrap, well if you want 4 or 8 more years of Bush's policy, then you are more than welcome to vote for this old tard. He might just die while being the president.

[zartan]

He's not a f-ing muslim. He has been going to a christian church for over 20 years. He grew up in that faith and quite honestly, if you did the same, you couldn't do anything about it when you were that age either. At that time in Indonesia, this radical stuff wasn't even being taught. This radical crap is mainly in pakistan, afghanistan, iran etc.

What is wrong with someone who says that he is willing to negotiate with someone? Not all muslims are like the few in Al-Qida and whatever. Your boy Bush is best buds with the House of Saud, and so is your boy Cheney. They republicans in office right now have a damn good relationship with Abu-dubai and the saudi's. Why the heck did bush not step in and say anything when Dubai invested $5 billion in JPmorgan and $8 in Citi Financial? They Ways and Means committee was screaming telling Citi and JPMorgan Chase to not collect that money because this means that they are controling more and more of the economy in this country. Just liek your boy bush is not doing anything about the chinese government buying 3com the company that controls US national security (computers for army, airforce, pentagon). You are just another one of those that can't stand Obama and you WANT to believe that he is a muslim.
(whoosh!)

that's the sound of my post going over your head. it was sarcasm, intended to show that the current administration has already done many of the things they fear Obama might do.

[GatorNation]

Congress is actually a greater danger to us all than whomever is President and that is where voting becomes most important.


Unless some Supreme Court seats need to be filled. Then the prez could do some really long-term damage...

[timNem]

And guess what: you show me a guy who went to one of those churches whose primary function is to rail against minorities, Jews, Catholics, etc and then tries to run for president after going there for 20+ years, and I'll show you a guy who isn't getting my vote, either. If someone goes to a "place" like that for any measurable length of time, then he or she just as big a racist sh*thead as Jeremiah Wright.
thats kinda like voting for someone who attended the Church of David Duke for 20 years and if that were the case do you think that guy would be on the verge of winning a nomination now? He would be sitting at home after the first caucus

[BamaFreak]

Hillary, well shes just hillary. I would rather vote for her than McCrap because quite frankly I want out of Iraq now.

Isn't that what the demo-congress was supposed to do? Under them, all we've gotten is an increase in unemployment, and increase in gas prices and a decrease in consumer confidence. The economy is worse. Oh, and did I mention we're still in Iraq?

[Emilio7]

Isn't that what the demo-congress was supposed to do? Under them, all we've gotten is an increase in unemployment, and increase in gas prices and a decrease in consumer confidence. The economy is worse. Oh, and did I mention we're still in Iraq?

It's kinda hard to fix America's problems with a president that veto's everything that comes his way. Plus i didn't see republicans fixing any of these problems before the dem's got in. Oh wait thats right.....they were more worried about trying to get some from another guy in a airport bathroom or trying to hook up with high school interns in D.C.

[ColonelKurtz]

No, your daughter would not be a better candidate than Obama, period. First off, he has done more than your daughter so that ends it right there.

Hillary, well shes just hillary. I would rather vote for her than McCrap because quite frankly I want out of Iraq now.

McCrap, well if you want 4 or 8 more years of Bush's policy, then you are more than welcome to vote for this old tard. He might just die while being the president.

Done more WHAT? Debatable but then again, I've never queried my Daughter about her sexual behavior. Besides Obama is a Marxist and Racist, thus unfit.

Colonel, it was the republicans and Allan Greenspan that brought about the adjusted mortgages rates and not the leftist democracts as you are saying. I have just plenty of research on that topic because I'm studying Finance and economics and I've done several speeches on that very subject in many of my classes. The concept of deregulating the mortgage industry started to Ronald Regan and has continued through Bush years. Allan Greenspan himself has state that he is the one who brought about the ARM rates because President Bush in his econmic policy has stated so and they disagreed on this very much, but at the end of the day he had to do what the man says.

What I said was that under the threat of Congressional investigation/harassment, Lenders relaxed QUALIFICATIONS for MORTGAGES due to Leftists Democrats cow towing to organizations like Rainbow Push. This permitted folks that didn't HAVE the income to buy homes that they could not afford. While it let some Builders off the hook and delayed for a bit the looming collapse of Local and Regional Banks that extended these bogus loans, it all but cemented the severe injury to the entire market as the Huge Banks and Brokers absorbed and dispersed them on each other and in the secondary market. With the return of hundreds of thousands of homes to the market place through foreclosure and now from folks simply abandoning them, depression of real prices ensues and thus cheapens the capital basis of the whole financial market.

Your claims and other remarks are non sequitur to my initial point, which you absolutely failed to comprehend.

Free Market policies haven't been nor are today our problem and if that is what you have been taught, you have been done a severe disservice. Our problems date decades back to the early 1900's and the initial damaging of our Constitution. Power hungry people are always behind bad developments and using the poor as a foil has proved to be a bully pulpit which suits these vermin's quest for the control of others. Subversion of Constitutional protections against Federal power and growth into areas reserved for the States is at the heart of all of America's ills. Solving them will require another Revolution and it isn't far off.

[Emilio7]

Done more WHAT? Debatable but then again, I've never queried my Daughter about her sexual behavior. Besides Obama is a Marxist and Racist, thus unfit.



What proof do you have that he's a Marxist and racist??? Also whats wrong with being a Marxist?

Also if your going to call Obama a racist...you should also call McCain one also..it's a two way street my friend.

It's just my opinion...But I'd rather someone with a brain and a general idea of how to fix our terrible economy (Obama). Then a war mongrel, who thinks we should spend 10 to 20 more years in Iraq..(McCain) he's just a copy of Bush/Cheney plain and simple.

McCain needs to come to reality and face the facts that Iraq is and will always be a failure..not on the same scale of Vietnam. But it's still a failure nevertheless.He's so stuck on this idea that America keep it's title as "Global cop" and honestly I'm sick of it...I'm sick of turn on the news and all i hear about is "another bombing in iraq"..blah blah blah

I have nothing against the forces being in Afghanistan..But Iraq is a complete waste of time and money. And since we've spent so much time and money in Iraq our forces are weak and have small numbers in Afghanistan.

But I'm sure before November their will be another video tape from Osama just "pop up" and all the sheep in this country will vote for that old tard McCain .

[timNem]

What proof do you have that he's a Marxist and racist??? Also whats wrong with being a Marxist?


there is not enough space on the server disk space to answer that question

[Emilio7]

there is not enough space on the server disk space to answer that question

I don't agree with some of the ideas on Marxism and it's not my philosophy on life. But to each his own...

[shk999]

Colonel, im no guru when it comes to economical affairs and dont claim to be. Thanks for the posts, they were eye opening, to say the least.

[shk999]

What proof do you have that he's a Marxist and racist??? Also whats wrong with being a Marxist?

Also if your going to call Obama a racist...you should also call McCain one also..it's a two way street my friend.

It's just my opinion...But I'd rather someone with a brain and a general idea of how to fix our terrible economy (Obama). Then a war mongrel, who thinks we should spend 10 to 20 more years in Iraq..(McCain) he's just a copy of Bush/Cheney plain and simple.

McCain needs to come to reality and face the facts that Iraq is and will always be a failure..not on the same scale of Vietnam. But it's still a failure nevertheless.He's so stuck on this idea that America keep it's title as "Global cop" and honestly I'm sick of it...I'm sick of turn on the news and all i hear about is "another bombing in iraq"..blah blah blah

I have nothing against the forces being in Afghanistan..But Iraq is a complete waste of time and money. And since we've spent so much time and money in Iraq our forces are weak and have small numbers in Afghanistan.

But I'm sure before November their will be another video tape from Osama just "pop up" and all the sheep in this country will vote for that old tard McCain .



The more you post, the more I realize you have no idea what you're talking about. I dont remember "that old tard" saying he planned on staying in Iraq 10 or 20 yrs and to think Obama will have us out of Iraq as soon as he is elected is quite niave. The funniest thing about liberals is the attitude that you are somehow a cut above, smarter than the rest, like you know something others dont and people that dont support your views are "sheep". All the while, believing you are the open minded and the free thinkers....couldnt be farther from the truth.

[bigsexxxy]

The more you post, the more I realize you have no idea what you're talking about. I dont remember "that old tard" saying he planned on staying in Iraq 10 or 20 yrs and to think Obama will have us out of Iraq as soon as he is elected is quite niave. The funniest thing about liberals is the attitude that you are somehow a cut above, smarter than the rest, like you know something others dont and people that dont support your views are "sheep". All the while, believing you are the open minded and the free thinkers....couldnt be farther from the truth.

McCain is on the record as saying he would stay in Iraq a hundred years if need be. And there are plenty with a conservative viewpoint on this board who talk about those with a liberal viewpoint as if they were stupid.

[shk999]

McCain is on the record as saying he would stay in Iraq a hundred years if need be. And there are plenty with a conservative viewpoint on this board who talk about those with a liberal viewpoint as if they were stupid.

I wont argue with that. As for the statement about Mccain, let me ask your honest opinion bs, what do you think happens in Iraq if we pull out? Im not asking if we should be there and I obviously know that this was a situation created by the Bush admin. The damage is already done now though, and we're there, im just asking what do you think will happen there if we load up and go home.

[bigsexxxy]

I wont argue with that. As for the statement about Mccain, let me ask your honest opinion bs, what do you think happens in Iraq if we pull out? Im not asking if we should be there and I obviously know that this was a situation created by the Bush admin. The damage is already done now though, and we're there, im just asking what do you think will happen there if we load up and go home.

We're there now and we've got to stay there for a few more years at the least. Otherwise the place is going to fall into complete anarchy(even more so than it was a few years ago). I want our country out of Iraq ASAP, but I know we're going to stay awhile longer. Obama and Hillary are blowing smoke up the asses of the far-left when they say they'll get out immediately.

[shk999]

We're there now and we've got to stay there for a few more years at the least. Otherwise the place is going to fall into complete anarchy(even more so than it was a few years ago). I want our country out of Iraq ASAP, but I know we're going to stay awhile longer. Obama and Hillary are blowing smoke up the asses of the far-left when they say they'll get out immediately.

I agree completely, as I've said all along, you cant believe anything that either of the 3 tell you anyway, they're politicians for God's sake. :laugh:

[Emilio7]

I agree completely, as I've said all along, you cant believe anything that either of the 3 tell you anyway, they're politicians for God's sake. :laugh:

I'm not saying Obama would have us out the day he starts office. But at the same time he'd have us out alot sooner then McCain. I just don't think we have right to "police the world". It's not helping us out one bit back home to be in Iraq. The war is just slowly draining this country little by little.

Also i'm not an extreme liberal...I'm an independent, I like to see what both sides offer on situations (good and bad) and then come to a conclusion.

[crimsonnation713]

IMO I think we need to write George Carlin in as a write-in candidate.

[Daveman30001]

That McCain quote was taken way out of context, he said he can see us staying in Iraq another 100 years because almost every war the united states has fought in the last 100 years we now station troops in. Germany, Japan, Korea, Kuwait, Bosnia, basically everywhere but vietnam. I dont necessarily agree with the Iraq war but pulling out now would be a public relations disaster with the entire middle east even though a large majority of them want us gone. The only infrastructure they have is the little bit we are helping them build, if we immediately left there would be a mass exodus from Iraq fueling young confused men with family members killed pissed off at the US. . . Not to even mention what Iran may do.

Ron Paul should've won anyway

[BamaFreak]

It's kinda hard to fix America's problems with a president that veto's everything that comes his way.

Such as?

Plus i didn't see republicans fixing any of these problems before the dem's got in.

That's because they weren't nearly as bad as they are now. That was my whole point.

Oh wait thats right.....they were more worried about trying to get some from another guy in a airport bathroom or trying to hook up with high school interns in D.C.

You seem to think I am a republican for some reason. I don't know how else to say it. I am not, repeat, not a republican. My contempt for both political parties is deep and genuine. I just hate the democrats a lot more. Playground taunts like the above do nothing to help your position.

[BamaFreak]

We're there now and we've got to stay there for a few more years at the least. Otherwise the place is going to fall into complete anarchy(even more so than it was a few years ago). I want our country out of Iraq ASAP, but I know we're going to stay awhile longer. Obama and Hillary are blowing smoke up the asses of the far-left when they say they'll get out immediately.

This is how the dems took control of congress. People wanted change and boy, did we get it. Of course, we are still in Iraq and the economy is looking like wounded bird that's still trying to fly. But at least things are different, right? Right? {Taps microphone.} Uh, hello? Is this thing on? {Sound of crickets chirping.} Hmmmmm, the silence from the people who were demanding all this change is deafening......

[cocky4ever]

It's kinda hard to fix America's problems with a president that veto's everything that comes his way. Plus i didn't see republicans fixing any of these problems before the dem's got in. Oh wait thats right.....they were more worried about trying to get some from another guy in a airport bathroom or trying to hook up with high school interns in D.C.

Im certainly not sticking up for Bushv.2.0 because I'd say he's the worst president since Jimmy Carter and easily the worst president of my lifetime...however, I cant stand by and let someone make it seem as though the dems are so much better right now. Dumbya has vetoed one bill since he's been president, and it had nothing to do with the war or taxes or spending. It had to do with stem cell research. Now, it pissed me off when he did it but its not like he's "vetoing everything that comes his way."

And what did Obama say about the Iraq war...I mean besides when he was busy telling his base what they wanted to hear? He said we would be in Iraq as long as there is al qaeda in Iraq. Guess what, al qaeda isnt leaving Iraq anythime soon so if Obama was president we wouldnt either.

[ColonelKurtz]

Emilio.....Obama's entire Economic platform is Worker's Rights, taxing the rich, and punishing the evil lenders. Karl Marx would smile but he's lost his jaw by now.

Obama wants to reduce taxes on the middle class. The Democrats claim to champion the middle class and to punish the rich, who can afford it. Can you tell me what income level defines the middle class? The rich? Even better, can you direct me to portion of our Constitution which permits the Federal Government to collect a tax upon ones' labor? Sadly he perpetuates a tired, old, Democratic ploy which puts factions of voters at odds and polarizes them, which might get him elected with the slimmest of margins or defeated by it.

Now I do agree with Obama's plank to reel in these payday loan sharks, to equalize the playing field on consumer debt (credit cards), and to re-reform Bankruptcy laws as the Repubs screwed the citizens with those changes. Obama has no plan for the Greater Economy, for reforms of Wall Street practices far too complex for discussion here, and for a total evisceration of the existing Banking System but the same can be said for Hillary & JM. So not everything Obama is bad, but very little of it is good.

Racism? Have you examined his personal life in any detail? This Church he joined some years ago isn't a Religious entity as much as it is a business enterprise to enrich its pastor and advance political actions. The tripe I've watched for sale there as espoused by the pastor constitutes an open invitation to race war against non-Blacks. Obama has made SIGNIFICANT monetary contributions for years to that place so its very easy to connect the dots.

Obama is a guy who is the product of the modern political machine and is more shallow than a pool of water in the nearest desert. That he has come so far should concern everybody reading. That he stands so close to the most powerful and influential position one can currently attain should scare the living Hell out of everyone reading.

[volimhtown]

That McCain quote was taken way out of context

What??? What???:laugh:

At least you got the memo..... just don't try to bring that rationale in here if you're talking about Obama!! :thumpsup:

[GeauxTo]

is more shallow than a pool of water in the nearest desert.

Great line... and very appropriate pursuant to Obama.:thumpsup:

[azamugg]

Emilio.....Obama's entire Economic platform is Worker's Rights, taxing the rich, and punishing the evil lenders. Karl Marx would smile but he's lost his jaw by now.

Obama wants to reduce taxes on the middle class. The Democrats claim to champion the middle class and to punish the rich, who can afford it. Can you tell me what income level defines the middle class? The rich? Even better, can you direct me to portion of our Constitution which permits the Federal Government to collect a tax upon ones' labor? Sadly he perpetuates a tired, old, Democratic ploy which puts factions of voters at odds and polarizes them, which might get him elected with the slimmest of margins or defeated by it.

Now I do agree with Obama's plank to reel in these payday loan sharks, to equalize the playing field on consumer debt (credit cards), and to re-reform Bankruptcy laws as the Repubs screwed the citizens with those changes. Obama has no plan for the Greater Economy, for reforms of Wall Street practices far too complex for discussion here, and for a total evisceration of the existing Banking System but the same can be said for Hillary & JM. So not everything Obama is bad, but very little of it is good.

Racism? Have you examined his personal life in any detail? This Church he joined some years ago isn't a Religious entity as much as it is a business enterprise to enrich its pastor and advance political actions. The tripe I've watched for sale there as espoused by the pastor constitutes an open invitation to race war against non-Blacks. Obama has made SIGNIFICANT monetary contributions for years to that place so its very easy to connect the dots.

Obama is a guy who is the product of the modern political machine and is more shallow than a pool of water in the nearest desert. That he has come so far should concern everybody reading. That he stands so close to the most powerful and influential position one can currently attain should scare the living Hell out of everyone reading.


do agree w/revamping the criminally reformed bankruptcy laws unfortunately pushed through congress w/crisco by my state senator Richard Shelby.....f'n credit card issuers influenced that reform and frankly until they get off college campus's and quit giving 18 yr olds who have no job, credit cards then they should lay in the bed they made or change their own GD policy

payday loans im not so agin....folks try to scream usury law but who else is gonna give these "joes" a five hundred dollar loan thats interest free for 30 days and then only 10% a month after that.....Wachovia?

[fernandomike]

What??? What???:laugh:

At least you got the memo..... just don't try to bring that rationale in here if you're talking about Obama!! :thumpsup:


My brother and cousin were visiting me in Knoxville and we were driving down 16th Avenue near Vic and Bill's. I drove past a person walking down the side of the road in heels and a short skirt. The guys rolled down their windows and yelled and whistled. Since I lived in the area and had some context, I knew exactly what would happen next. We were driving near a bar known as the Carousel and this person was exactly the type that often frequented the Carousel. Let's just say that when he lifted his skirt, the boys got a peak of something they didn't expect and I laughed my ass off.

I'm not a fan of Obama, but you simply cannot come to any reasonable conclusions about the man in regard to those quotes and without the slightest bit of context. With context, you can remove any doubt about his comments. Context is especially needed in politics where candidates look to take advantage of any opening regardless of its merit. These people have legions of staffers digging up dirt to sway voters. Quotes removed from context for the purpose of being misleading are certainly not rare. It takes a long time to explain that kind of stuff, too much time, especially in our sound-bite society. I personally will wait to see some context. After all, there has been a good bit of misinformation regarding Obama going around whether it be from the Clinton campaign or the political right. I'll only trust that which comes with a broader context. Otherwise, what looks to be the case may not be at all. If you choose to trust the message, then trust as they say, but verify.

[volimhtown]

My brother and cousin were visiting me in Knoxville and we were driving down 16th Avenue near Vic and Bill's. I drove past a person walking down the side of the road in heels and a short skirt. The guys rolled down their windows and yelled and whistled. Since I lived in the area and had some context, I knew exactly what would happen next. We were driving near a bar known as the Carousel and this person was exactly the type that often frequented the Carousel. Let's just say that when he lifted his skirt, the boys got a peak of something they didn't expect and I laughed my ass off.

I'm not a fan of Obama, but you simply cannot come to any reasonable conclusions about the man in regard to those quotes and without the slightest bit of context. With context, you can remove any doubt about his comments. Context is especially needed in politics where candidates look to take advantage of any opening regardless of its merit. These people have legions of staffers digging up dirt to sway voters. Quotes removed from context for the purpose of being misleading are certainly not rare. It takes a long time to explain that kind of stuff, too much time, especially in our sound-bite society. I personally will wait to see some context. After all, there has been a good bit of misinformation regarding Obama going around whether it be from the Clinton campaign or the political right. I'll only trust that which comes with a broader context. Otherwise, what looks to be the case may not be at all. If you choose to trust the message, then trust as they say, but verify.

Can I get an Amen??? :thumpsup::laugh:

[KRIEGER]

Timnem, I high-fived you simply because of your signature. ;D

On the subject of this election.... Anyone with any sense should read Revelations in the Bible and compare the Anti-Christ to Obama. I do not care to say more. Oh yeah, Hillary Clinton can suck on my left one.

[JerryBeeds]

Timnem, I high-fived you simply because of your signature. ;D

On the subject of this election.... Anyone with any sense should read Revelations in the Bible and compare the Anti-Christ to Obama. I do not care to say more. Oh yeah, Hillary Clinton can suck on my left one.

I high-fived you for your crassness. :laugh:

[KRIEGER]

I high-fived you for your crassness. :laugh:

Only time will prove. Too bad I won't be around to witness your stupidity. Please, read the last book of the Bible. This is not a random assumption. This is the truth.

[fernandomike]

Only time will prove. Too bad I won't be around to witness your stupidity. Please, read the last book of the Bible. This is not a random assumption. This is the truth.

Nope, Colonel Kurtz is the anti-Christ. Please read his last 100 posts. The man has risen to a position of power and danger looms if we fail to heed the warnings.

[volimhtown]

Anyone with any sense should read Revelations in the Bible and compare the Anti-Christ to Obama.

Why not compare him to Captain Kangaroo?? How about Barney?? I would think a giant purple dinosaur would make for much better theatre and fit the mold MUCH better!! :wacko:

Did the hot, nipply Auburn chick agree with your stance on the subject?? Just curious....:laugh:

[JerryBeeds]

Why not compare him to Captain Kangaroo??

You rang?

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d42/JSnipes/CK.jpg

[ColonelKurtz]

Nando is right, FEAR the Colonel or face calamity like this heathen:

Taitung angler's genitals struck by lightning - The China Post (http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/local/taitung/2008/04/17/152323/Taitung-angler%27s.htm)

[volimhtown]

Nando is right, FEAR the Colonel or face calamity like this heathen:

Taitung angler's genitals struck by lightning - The China Post (http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/local/taitung/2008/04/17/152323/Taitung-angler%27s.htm)

God speed, Chen!! :thumpsup:

Did anybody else find this sentence a bit suspect?? ...... Weathermen said that as the thunderstorm would linger in Taitung area, people had better not expose themselves to the open space.
Are we to assume that "exposing yourself in open spaces" is perfectly acceptable as long as thunderstorms don't exist in the area??:laugh:

[scfan5338]

Im certainly not sticking up for Bushv.2.0 because I'd say he's the worst president since Jimmy Carter and easily the worst president of my lifetime...however, I cant stand by and let someone make it seem as though the dems are so much better right now. Dumbya has vetoed one bill since he's been president, and it had nothing to do with the war or taxes or spending. It had to do with stem cell research. Now, it pissed me off when he did it but its not like he's "vetoing everything that comes his way."

And what did Obama say about the Iraq war...I mean besides when he was busy telling his base what they wanted to hear? He said we would be in Iraq as long as there is al qaeda in Iraq. Guess what, al qaeda isnt leaving Iraq anythime soon so if Obama was president we wouldnt either.

I can promise you that Bush has vetoed more than one bill. When the republicans were in congress, he voted probably not a since bill, maybe one and since the democracts have gotten in he has veoted nearly every bill they have sent his way. He says that the democracts are spending too much money, WTF, he is on record to be the president who has spent the most money excluding the war.

[JerryBeeds]

I can promise you that Bush has vetoed more than one bill. When the republicans were in congress, he voted probably not a since bill, maybe one and since the democracts have gotten in he has veoted nearly every bill they have sent his way. He says that the democracts are spending too much money, WTF, he is on record to be the president who has spent the most money excluding the war.

No, he has really only vetoed one bill. Look it up, its a matter of public record.

[azamugg]

I can promise you that Bush has vetoed more than one bill. When the republicans were in congress, he voted probably not a since bill, maybe one and since the democracts have gotten in he has veoted nearly every bill they have sent his way. He says that the democracts are spending too much money, WTF, he is on record to be the president who has spent the most money excluding the war.

you've exposed yourself as a young passionate ignorant person is all.......you repeat what you've heard on MTV news

[scfan5338]

you've exposed yourself as a young passionate ignorant person is all.......you repeat what you've heard on MTV news

mtv news, please i hardly watch mtv. and you have exposed yourself as a old passionate ignorant mr. old people know it all is all.

you say he vetoed that stem cell research bill and that was the only one? he vetoed the childerns healthcare bill (which ofcourse was a stupid bill to being with) and a water bill im pretty sure.

[shk999]

mtv news, please i hardly watch mtv. and you have exposed yourself as a old passionate ignorant mr. old people know it all is all.

you say he vetoed that stem cell research bill and that was the only one? he vetoed the childerns healthcare bill (which ofcourse was a stupid bill to being with) and a water bill im pretty sure.

It's true, it was my water bill.

[scfan5338]

It's true, it was my water bill.

Aren't you just another smart @$$. It was a bill targeted for projects including costal restorations after Hurricane Katrina in Louisiana and improving the Florida Everglades

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

Unless I'm missing something, I believe scfan is correct. The link below provides info on the 8 bills vetoed by President Bush, with the Stem Cell issue being his first on Jul 19, 2006.

Bills Vetoed by President Bush (2001-2007) (http://uspolitics.about.com/od/electionissues/tp/Bush-Vetos.htm)

[azamugg]

Colonel, it was the republicans and Allan Greenspan that brought about the adjusted mortgages rates and not the leftist democracts as you are saying. I have just plenty of research on that topic because I'm studying Finance and economics and I've done several speeches on that very subject in many of my classes. The concept of deregulating the mortgage industry started to Ronald Regan and has continued through Bush years. Allan Greenspan himself has state that he is the one who brought about the ARM rates because President Bush in his econmic policy has stated so and they disagreed on this very much, but at the end of the day he had to do what the man says.


ARM rates adjust indirectly relative to federal funds rate and the Fed's discount rate being manipulated, these rate changes effect are seen in the bond auctions....and yep Greenspan was the instigator of that, not the Republicans or the Democrats


It's kinda hard to fix America's problems with a president that veto's everything that comes his way. Plus i didn't see republicans fixing any of these problems before the dem's got in. Oh wait thats right.....they were more worried about trying to get some from another guy in a airport bathroom or trying to hook up with high school interns in D.C.

as the article GF linked "President Bush has vetoed fewer bills than ANY modern president

Unless I'm missing something, I believe scfan is correct. The link below provides info on the 8 bills vetoed by President Bush, with the Stem Cell issue being his first on Jul 19, 2006.

Bills Vetoed by President Bush (2001-2007) (http://uspolitics.about.com/od/electionissues/tp/Bush-Vetos.htm)


you were correct GF.........somewhere in this thread Cocky mistakenly quoted that Bush had only vetoed one bill............Cocky's on the ball usually so he must've misread some information

[GeauxTo]

Just Some of What Defines Barack Obama:

·He voted against banning partial birth abortion.
·He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.
·Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government.
·In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing.
·Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as a minimum wage affair.
·Admitted marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college.
·His religious convictions are very murky.
·He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
·Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations.
·Opposed the Patriot Act.
·First bill he signed that was passed was campaign finance reform.
·Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.
·Supports universal health care.
·Voted Yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.
·Supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.
·Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.
·Voted Yes on comprehensive immigration reform. Would result in 20 million instant citizens never having paid SS, many refusing to speak English, immediately sending for their 40 to 50 million extended relatives telling them not to wait and obey the laws, the once mighty USA is theirs for the taking.
·Voted Yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
·Wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'.
·Voted with Democratic Part y 96 percent of 251 votes.
·Opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of tax paid.
·He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax.
·He voted No on repealing the 'Death' Tax.
·He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.
·Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded.
·He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that takes some doing.

[Emilio7]

Just Some of What Defines Barack Obama:

·He voted against banning partial birth abortion.
·He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.
·Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government.
·In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing.
·Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as a minimum wage affair.
·Admitted marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college.
·His religious convictions are very murky.
·He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
·Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations.
·Opposed the Patriot Act.
·First bill he signed that was passed was campaign finance reform.
·Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.
·Supports universal health care.
·Voted Yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.
·Supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.
·Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.
·Voted Yes on comprehensive immigration reform. Would result in 20 million instant citizens never having paid SS, many refusing to speak English, immediately sending for their 40 to 50 million extended relatives telling them not to wait and obey the laws, the once mighty USA is theirs for the taking.
·Voted Yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
·Wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'.
·Voted with Democratic Part y 96 percent of 251 votes.
·Opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of tax paid.
·He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax.
·He voted No on repealing the 'Death' Tax.
·He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.
·Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded.
·He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that takes some doing.

Dude come on now...I could honestly careless about the whole abortion thing..it's just something thats dividing this country more and more. And the subject on if abortion is right or wrong will never end.
-I know the majority of the people on this forum believe that Affirmative Action is wrong and an unfair way of giving someone a leg up.(which to some level i do to).But Of course he's going to approve of Affirmative Action, it's benefited him in some way or another. Just like Bush isn't going to do anything about the whole oil crisis, because in the end he's going to benefit from it in.

- I do believe that drug dealers and the people who supply the drug dealers should all be on the same level when it comes to their punishment. Why should a drug dealer serve more time then the guy who is supplying him with the goods??

- Are we really going to bust his balls because he once smoked weed and did cocaine. I'm sure their are tons of senators,congressmen and might i add the current president who have done the same in college. Give it rest it's college pretty much everyone experiments with something their parents wouldn't agree with. At least he came out and said it.

- On the subject of meeting with our other countries.Would you rather him meet with some of our enemies or send a bunch of troops over their to fight and possibly die. Whats wrong with meeting and talking it out with someone if you've got a problem with them . It's better then bloodshed.

- Also if you have time read over the "Patriot Act". I understand 9/11 was terrible, but the government doesn't have the right to look nit pick and look over all of our private business. It's an Act that gives all the power to the government and it agencies and leaves the common person with very little self rights. The Patriot act isn't exactly in the American citizens best interest.

I don't agree with all of Obama's views. But now I just think people are busting his balls on miscellouaus things and looking for random reasons to hate the guy.

[GatorNation]

Dude come on now...I could honestly careless about the whole abortion thing..it's just something thats dividing this country more and more. And the subject on if abortion is right or wrong will never end.

-I know the majority of the people on this forum believe that Affirmative Action is wrong and an unfair way of giving someone a leg up.(which to some level i do to).But Of course he's going to approve of Affirmative Action, it's benefited him in some way or another. Just like Bush isn't going to do anything about the whole oil crisis, because in the end he's going to benefit from it in.

- I do believe that drug dealers and the people who supply the drug dealers should all be on the same level when it comes to their punishment. Why should a drug dealer serve more time then the guy who is supplying him with the goods??

- Are we really going to bust his balls because he once smoked weed and did cocaine. I'm sure their are tons of senators,congressmen and might i add the current president who have done the same in college. Give it rest it's college pretty much everyone experiments with something their parents wouldn't agree with. At least he came out and said it.

- On the subject of meeting with our other countries.Would you rather him meet with some of our enemies or send a bunch of troops over their to fight and possibly die. Whats wrong with meeting and talking it out with someone if you've got a problem with them . It's better then bloodshed.

- Also if you have time read over the "Patriot Act". I understand 9/11 was terrible, but the government doesn't have the right to look nit pick and look over all of our private business. It's an Act that gives all the power to the government and it agencies and leaves the common person with very little self rights. The Patriot act isn't exactly in the American citizens best interest.

I don't agree with all of Obama's views. But now I just think people are busting his balls on miscellouaus things and looking for random reasons to hate the guy.

I disagree with most of this...

Abortion, yeah, it is what it is, and unless the Supreme Court takes a huge swing in the conservative direction and overturns Roe v. Wade, it will be an option (at least at the state level) in America.

Just because Bush benefitted from failing to act on the oil crisis doesn't mean affirmative action should be sanctioned. That logic doesn't make sense to me. Isn't there at least one person who benefits from every action? Either something is right or it's wrong...we can't start changing the rules of the game based on some sort of self-serving utilitarianism.

I'd need to know more about the specific instances of drug dealers vs. suppliers to make an informed decision, but it seems like the preferred goal would be to target the suppliers rather than the dealers (assuming we can never totally get rid of either), and that usually requires stiffer penalties to discourage supply.

As for the weed and cocaine use, yeah...it's a problem because it goes to his character. I wouldn't want someone who did drugs teaching my kids (if I had kids). Why should I accept that in my president? Maybe it's me, but imo the president should be held to a higher standard....whether it's Bush, Kennedy, Lincoln, or Obama.

I think speaking with the leaders is a good idea assuming Obama has the best interest of America at heart. If he's going to go over there and kiss a--, then we'd be better off without political pandering under the guise of international diplomacy.

I think more important than our right to privacy is the right to live. You don't need privacy if you're dead. The value of privacy is severely diminished when you're unwittingly boarding a plane or a bus with a bomb set to detonate while you're opening your peanuts. Ask the loved ones of those who died in 911 or the London bombings---if they could do it over again---if they'd trade a wire tap or two or a remote internet search (even without a warrant) for the chance to avoid the permanent tragedy of losing their son, brother, daughter, father, mother, wife, husband, best friend. The first act of government should be to protect the people from harm in order to secure the exercise of free will that eventually galvanizes the very function and purpose of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. Without freedom from harm, there is no freedom.

[scfan5338]

as the article GF linked "President Bush has vetoed fewer bills than ANY modern president


That is certainly the case, but of the 8 he has vetoed, 7 of them have come in the past two years since the Democractic congress had the majority. He only vetoed ONE bill in all the years that the Republican congress had the majority that should say something. I'm not saying the Democracts have run the congress well, cause they haven't but they haven't been able to do anything because Bush has either vetoed or threaten to veto nearly every bill proposed or sent to his desk.

[azamugg]

ever heard of overriding a veto

[volimhtown]

Good Post, GN....I almost agree with everything, but....


As for the weed and cocaine use, yeah...it's a problem because it goes to his character. I wouldn't want someone who did drugs teaching my kids (if I had kids). Why should I accept that in my president? Maybe it's me, but imo the president should be held to a higher standard....whether it's Bush, Kennedy, Lincoln, or Obama.

Really??:ohmy: I really think that judging someone based on the fact that they tried drugs in their early years and using that fact as a barometer of character is a bit over the top and unfair. Personally, I'm more skepticle of those that never did. Obviously I view cocaine as much more troubling than weed, but then again, it was EVERYWHERE in the 70s and 80s. Look at it this way, your kids (when you have them) are MUCH more likely to at least "experiment" than they are to not...should they then be viewed as having poor character?? Bottom line....unless there's evidence of abuse, it's a completely non factor!!

I think speaking with the leaders is a good idea assuming Obama has the best interest of America at heart. If he's going to go over there and kiss a--, then we'd be better off without political pandering under the guise of international diplomacy.



Isn't that a "loaded statement"?? Especially the "best interest of America" part?? Depending on the issue, won't that look different to different people?? I mean depending on whatever example you want to use, some are going to feel that the President "kissed a$$" while others may actually feel that he "had the best interest of America at heart. I guess my point is that there's NEVER been a President meet with foreign leaders when he didn't believe that he "had the best interest of America at heart" because that definition is subjective.

[volimhtown]

Just Some of What Defines Barack Obama:
...for those too lazy to form their own opinions and prefer their information to be provided in the most biassed way possible lacking any context. :thumpsup:
·He voted against banning partial birth abortion. Simply Rhetoric without Context
·He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.Simply Rhetoric without Context

·Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government.Simply Rhetoric without Context

·In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing. Simply Rhetoric without Context

·Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as a minimum wage affair.Simply Rhetoric without Context

·Admitted marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college. Relevance??
·His religious convictions are very murky. "Murky"?? That's the best you could do?? :laugh:
·He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. That's horrible!! :wacko: We should just bomb them and save the brain cells!!
·Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations.Are we really trying to crucify the guy for common sense approaches??
·Opposed the Patriot Act.GOOD!!! ·First bill he signed that was passed was campaign finance reform.Simply Rhetoric without Context

·Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.So, gun manufacturers are above the law?? ·Supports universal health care. In theory, we all should, but it's not realistic. He has a plan to cover children only. Again, predictably no context provided.
·Voted Yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.Simply Rhetoric without Context

·Supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. Simply Rhetoric without Context

·Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants. Simply Rhetoric without Context

·Voted Yes on comprehensive immigration reform. Would result in 20 million instant citizens never having paid SS, many refusing to speak English, immediately sending for their 40 to 50 million extended relatives telling them not to wait and obey the laws, the once mighty USA is theirs for the taking. :laugh::laugh::laugh: This garbage has so many holes it's not even worth a reply.
·Voted Yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.Simply Rhetoric without Context

·Wants to make the minimum wage a 'living wage'. Simply Rhetoric without Context

·Voted with Democratic Part y 96 percent of 251 votes. and he's a Democrat?? :ohmy::laugh:
·Opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of tax paid. I don't think using the word "any" is a correct characterization, but...
·He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. We should care because...???
·He voted No on repealing the 'Death' Tax. OK...one reason not to vote for him thus far...
·He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.Make it two...
·Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded. Duh....in related news water is wet...
·He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that takes some doing. Well, we all know how inaccurate those ESPN polls can be. :wacko:

[Crimson Kicker8]

yep, I almost have all the info I need to know when I see the Nation of Islam so giddy over a candidate

The Hamas leadership has already endorsed Obama, that's not rhetoric, it's a fact. So your observation is well founded.

Is Obama a racist? I dunno, I hate using that word liberally but I think Vol makes a good point about the origin of the quotes and how people can change their views, especially from adolescence to adulthood.

WE73 also makes a good point regarding whether or not Obama has changed his views, because frankly I don't see much in his language or vague policy layouts that he has changed much, if at all.

What is Obama's platform, change right? Does he want to change Washington because he's tired of 8 years of a Bush White House, or is it something more? I don't think the man wants to change only Washington, I think he wants to change America. His language of equality is rooted deeply within socialism, something this country has never stood for nor tolerated. CN's observation of Obama's baggage is a valid one. If Rev Wright was Obama's only suitcase then I wouldn't be convinced (because guilt by association only goes so far). But when you add Wright, Bill Ayers, and flag pins, it begins to point overwhelmingly to the fact that this guy doesn't love his country for what it is, but instead wants to love his country for what he would make it, and that is a dangerous proposition any way you slice it.