Michele Obama's Racism

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MICHELE OBAMA’S MILITANT RACISM REVEALED


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In her senior thesis at Princeton, Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Obama stated that America was a nation founded on “crime and hatred”. Moreover, she stated that whites in America were “ineradicably racist”. The 1985 thesis, titled 'Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community' was written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson.

Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to 'Whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first...' However, it was reported by a fellow black classmate, “If those 'Whites at Princeton' really saw Michelle as one who always would 'be Black first,' it seems that she gave them that impression”.

Most alarming is Michele Obama’s use of the terms “separationist” and “integrationist” when describing the views of black people.

Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a “separationist” view of race.
“By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to their plight.”

Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her 'further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.'

Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.

Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America, but she elevates black over white in her world.

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Here is another passage that is uncomfortable and ominous in meaning:
“There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost. “

What is Michelle Obama planning to do with her future resources if she’s first lady that will elevate black over white in America?

The following passage appears to be a call to arms for affirmative action policies that could be the hallmark of an Obama administration.
“Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of their enrollments.”

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The conclusion of her thesis is alarming.
Michelle Obama’s poll of black alumni concludes that other black students at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. But rather than celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with our common American culture more than they value the color of their skin. “I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility.”

Is it no wonder that most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire? Only 89 students responded out of 400 who were asked for input.

Michelle Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see Americans. She sees black people and white people eternally conflicted with one another.

The thesis provides a trove of Mrs. Obama's thoughts and world view seen through a race-based prism.
This is a very divisive view for a potential first lady that would do untold damage to race relations in this country in a Barack Obama administration.

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Michelle Obama’s intellectually refined racism should give all Americans pause for deep concern.

Now maybe she’s changed, but she sure sounds like someone with an axe to grind with America. Will the press let Michelle get a free pass over her obviously racist comment about American whites? I am sure that it will. But it shouldn’t.

[Rebel Chuck]

The fact that I am uncomfortable in commenting on this issue speaks volumes on the double standard that has developed in this country.

[GamecockDieHard]

I'm surprised how so many people just choose to accept or overlook these two for what they really are.


What Has Obama Done?

In the best analysis of Sen. Obama's "cling to God and guns" comments I've yet read, Bill Kristol in the NYTimes asks: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/14/opinion/14kristol.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&ref=opinion&pagewanted=print

And what are the grounds for his supercilious disdain? If he were a war hero, if he had a career of remarkable civic achievement or public service — then he could perhaps be excused an unattractive but in a sense understandable hauteur. But what has Barack Obama accomplished that entitles him to look down on his fellow Americans?


Exactly.

For weeks I've been asking listeners at 96.9 FM TALK the same question, phrased this way: Is Obama worth it? Sure, you can vote for a guy who hangs out with terrorists, who spent 20 years at the feet of a raving, racist loony, who lives in the outer fringes of the leftwing politics of his own party, and who clearly has issues with how he feels about our country. Go right ahead.

But for what? What is it you believe Sen. Obama can accomplish that makes him worth the price? What can he do? What will he do? What has he ever done?

Every day, millions of Americans--many of the (shock!) white--struggle more just to get by and pay the bills than Sen. Obama has ever struggled in his entire life. Where does Sen. Obama get the audacity to condescend and speak down to them? Because he went to Harvard? Because he can give a good speech?

Big deal.

Can he keep a small business open, even while gas prices climb and the economy slips? Can he squeeze in an extra sales call and still make it home in time to watch the kids so his wife can get to her job on time? Can he find a way to keep his business competitive despite illegal competition from businesses using crimmigrant labor to undercut costs and avoid taxes?

And can Sen. Obama do all that, while listening to some pompous blowhard insult and demean him?

What gall. What nerve. What ignorant arrogance. And if you're still planning on voting for Sen. Obama...what the hell are you thinking?

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[Williams-Brice]

Y'all know good and well only white people are capable of racism.

[GetEmGamecocks]

For some reason, I could see Obama telling her "shut the f--k up" if she ever tried to tell him what to do.

I would rather vote for Obama than Mccain because Mccain is too much like George Bush to me.

[the Paradox]

For some reason, I could see Obama telling her "shut the f--k up" if she ever tried to tell him what to do.

I would rather vote for Obama than Mccain because Mccain is too much like George Bush to me.

A. I doubt Obama has anywhere near the balls to tell her that.
B. Like him or not, McCain is not similar to Bush in the slightest.


RTR

[GetEmGamecocks]

It's more of his personality than his policy. His personality might get him in trouble during the general. Then again, he's running against a black man or a woman. He can't be too screwed.

People who think Obama doesn't have the balls to tell his wife to f--k off seem to me like the same people who "can't vote for a man who bowls a 37." Obama would b-tch smack a b-tch. Just like he did when he was a coke addict pimp. He just left that out of his book. Actually, come to think of it, he was a mack, not a pimp. There's a difference, man, and that's what's important.

[the Paradox]

It's more of his personality than his policy. His personality might get him in trouble during the general. Then again, he's running against a black man or a woman. He can't be too screwed.

People who think Obama doesn't have the balls to tell his wife to f--k off seem to me like the same people who "can't vote for a man who bowls a 37." Obama would b-tch smack a b-tch. Just like he did when he was a coke addict pimp. He just left that out of his book. Actually, come to think of it, he was a mack, not a pimp. There's a difference, man, and that's what's important.

I lost you at "It's more".


RTR

[zartan]

i read something somewhere that suggested that if Obama were president we would have a Secretary of Surrender and a Secretary of Reparations. friggin' ridiculous...

on the other hand, it's no wonder the Conservatives cling grimly to fear-mongering in this election....they have absolutely ZERO chance of winning this election on the issues.

[the Paradox]

i read something somewhere that suggested that if Obama were president we would have a Secretary of Surrender and a Secretary of Reparations. friggin' ridiculous...

on the other hand, it's no wonder the Conservatives cling grimly to fear-mongering in this election....they have absolutely ZERO chance of winning this election on the issues.

What are Obama's stance on the issues? When you figure that out, please let him know.


RTR

[WayzUp]

What are Obama's stance on the issues? When you figure that out, please let him know.


RTR

Google is your friend.

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Issues (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/)

[gatorunvrsty]

While I have no intention of voting for McCain. He is like Bush, in that he's not particularly sharp when it comes to foreign policy. I keep going back to his ridiculous TV appearance in Iraq, and saying the streets were now safe. What an idiot... like it wouldn't be obvious to even the slowest of Americans that if you rolled into a particular part of town with the security he had, of course it'd be safe. Even so, he was wearing a flak-jacket (yeah, it looks really safe for everday citizens, there, John. Are you going to be passing out bullet-proof vests to all of them, and leaving the tanks, helicopters, humvees, soldiers, and personal security specialists when you leave?). Uuuummm, if it's safe, why do you need all that stuff in the first place? :brick:

But, I have an almost equally difficult time imagining myself voting for Obama. His inexperience aside, there are just too many questionable characteristics; and I have to wonder if some of the inflammatory things his wife has said are also his opinions, and he's just smart enough not to say them in public.

I have a bone to pick with the Democratic leadership. They keeping shooting themselves in the foot. They could have won the election in a landslide, had they simply told Obama that they'd refuse to support his candidacy for President; but would like to see him as Hillary's VP running-mate, and wait his turn for President, while getting some of the sorely needed experience that his critics like to point to. Instead, they're going to end up pushing a candidate who divides the party, and likely cost the Dems another election.:brick::brick:

[the Paradox]

Google is your friend.

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Issues (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/)

Let's see. Change, Hope, Believe, and Hope. I got it now, thanks.


RTR

[zartan]

Let's see. Change, Hope, Believe, and Hope. I got it now, thanks.


RTR
...as opposed to the 'if you like the iraq war, wait 'till you see what i've got in mind for iran and possibly syria' plan of McCain.

meanwhile, he says our economic problems are psychosomatic.

sounds sensible, right?

[sheluvsbama]

I think the Democrats will win the election in spite of everything, but it didn't have to be so difficult. Obama should have waited to be President until the next election, gotten experience as Vice-President, and alleviated the concerns of those who are worried about his lack of experience. It would have been the smart thing to do.At this point in time, there will be a great deal of repair work to be done, for the road the US has travelled has developed many pot holes.

[the Paradox]

I think the Democrats will win the election in spite of everything, but it didn't have to be so difficult. Obama should have waited to be President until the next election, gotten experience as Vice-President, and alleviated the concerns of those who are worried about his lack of experience. It would have been the smart thing to do.At this point in time, there will be a great deal of repair work to be done, for the road the US has travelled has developed many pot holes.

Like it or not, McCain could win this election on a respirator. All he has to do is sit back and let Obama and his wife continue to insult small town America and Hilliary continuing being Hilliary.

RTR

[Tator]

on the other hand, it's no wonder the Conservatives cling grimly to fear-mongering in this election....they have absolutely ZERO chance of winning this election on the issues.

There are no conservatives running. Those that are running are either posers, socialists, or idiots. Who's who depends upon your political leanings.

If there was a true conservative running, you would see them elected by a landslide.

[tennesseegirl]

This is really funny when you think about it , all of us on here trying to change the other ones mind and it is just not going to happen . I mean Iam a Christian, conservative, gun toting , against abortion , against gay rights , and well Iam what Iam and no one on here will change that oh and I do not think 9/11 was a conspiracy but it is fun to watch everyone get so upset when really none of us will change the others mind ! At least we can all talk about SEC sports on here like men and women ! Oh wait that does not happen either ! Well goodness what can we all agree on?? LOL Anyway no matter what you guys are awesome to talk to ( even the libs!)

[the Paradox]

I'll give ya gay rights, 10% off of vaseline, now get back in the closet.

Oops, I thought this was the comedienne thread. :ohmy:


RTR

[gatorunvrsty]

This is really funny when you think about it , all of us on here trying to change the other ones mind and it is just not going to happen . I mean Iam a Christian, conservative, gun toting , against abortion , against gay rights , and well Iam what Iam and no one on here will change that oh and I do not think 9/11 was a conspiracy but it is fun to watch everyone get so upset when really none of us will change the others mind ! At least we can all talk about SEC sports on here like men and women ! Oh wait that does not happen either ! Well goodness what can we all agree on?? LOL Anyway no matter what you guys are awesome to talk to ( even the libs!)

I'm not a liberal... I just hate hypocrites; and the vast majority of public officials calling themselves conservative Christians are anything but either. I'm gun toting, pro-death penalty (primarily for certain creatures I don't consider human, like pedophiles), anti-immigration amnesty, frown on abortion (although I don't think it's the government's job or place to tell women what to do with their bodies. One would think Republicans would be against government interference on the issue.), and don't believe in special rights or privileges for any group of people (although I don't think gays are asking for special rights... just equal ones, like the ones provided women and minorities).

What most Republican officials know about the Bible would fit in a thimble. They should keep these two things in mind when designing policy: "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the Earth." and “Whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren, you do unto me.”. Perhaps they'd be a little less willing to tread on the poor and disadvantaged so freely, in order to keep the well-heeled in the lifestyle to which they've grown accustomed... often at the expense and hard work of these same poor people. There's no shortage of CEO's making billions, while their employees who make them that way can't afford the basic necessities like standard health-care, decent food, and accomodations for their families... and those a$$holes are the backbones of the Republican Party, because they know conservatives will oppose any government influence to treat workers fairly and humanely. Pick any issue regarding labor, environmental, and corporate law, and Republicans scream, "We'll leave it up to the companies to do the right thing for workers and the environment! The government shouldn't interfere.". Problem is, the companies don't do the right thing, more often than not, and take whatever additional profits they garner from shortcuts and lousy wages, insurance, etc., and give it to themselves and their executives in the way of bonuses and raises. That's why we're almost to the point where there are have's and have-not's... the middle class is vanishing. Republicans claim to carry the torch for small government and little intereference; but, the truth is, they believe in big government and interference, as long as it pertains to issues important to them, like military spending, police and "corrections" (why they still refer to incarcerations as corrections I'll never know), religion, etc..

Anyway, I really don't know how I'd refer to myself politically; but, I've spent a great deal of my life around some of the best con artists around, and I can tell every time a conservative is lying because his lips are moving. Dems aren't much better these days, but at least they're lying for the little guy... and that's who I identify with most, since I've yet to make a quarter million dollars in a single year. Strangely, there are members of my family who do considerably better than that, and they still refuse to support the party that'd look after their wealth the best... that tells me something; that they're even less easily fooled than me.

However, in the spirit of comeraderie, I think it's safe to say we can all agree that the tiny 10 and Pac 10 are vastly overrated, and are actually only made up of 3 teams each. Oh... and they both need to stop throwing a wrench in the playoff possibilities.

[zartan]

brilliant, brilliant post GU. i actually like and agree with many of the traditionally Republican viewpoints you cited in your first paragraph. i just feel like the party has totally lost its way and whatever part of the GOP is not a subsidiary of vast corporations has been co-opted by the religious right.

[Tator]

I'm not a liberal... I just hate hypocrites; and the vast majority of public officials calling themselves conservative Christians are anything but either. I'm gun toting, pro-death penalty (primarily for certain creatures I don't consider human, like pedophiles), anti-immigration amnesty, frown on abortion (although I don't think it's the government's job or place to tell women what to do with their bodies. One would think Republicans would be against government interference on the issue.), and don't believe in special rights or privileges for any group of people (although I don't think gays are asking for special rights... just equal ones, like the ones provided women and minorities).

What most Republican officials know about the Bible would fit in a thimble. They should keep these two things in mind when designing policy: "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the Earth." and “Whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren, you do unto me.”. Perhaps they'd be a little less willing to tread on the poor and disadvantaged so freely, in order to keep the well-heeled in the lifestyle to which they've grown accustomed... often at the expense and hard work of these same poor people. There's no shortage of CEO's making billions, while their employees who make them that way can't afford the basic necessities like standard health-care, decent food, and accomodations for their families... and those a$$holes are the backbones of the Republican Party, because they know conservatives will oppose any government influence to treat workers fairly and humanely. Pick any issue regarding labor, environmental, and corporate law, and Republicans scream, "We'll leave it up to the companies to do the right thing for workers and the environment! The government shouldn't interfere.". Problem is, the companies don't do the right thing, more often than not, and take whatever additional profits they garner from shortcuts and lousy wages, insurance, etc., and give it to themselves and their executives in the way of bonuses and raises. That's why we're almost to the point where there are have's and have-not's... the middle class is vanishing. Republicans claim to carry the torch for small government and little intereference; but, the truth is, they believe in big government and interference, as long as it pertains to issues important to them, like military spending, police and "corrections" (why they still refer to incarcerations as corrections I'll never know), religion, etc..

Anyway, I really don't know how I'd refer to myself politically; but, I've spent a great deal of my life around some of the best con artists around, and I can tell every time a conservative is lying because his lips are moving. Dems aren't much better these days, but at least they're lying for the little guy... and that's who I identify with most, since I've yet to make a quarter million dollars in a single year. Strangely, there are members of my family who do considerably better than that, and they still refuse to support the party that'd look after their wealth the best... that tells me something; that they're even less easily fooled than me.

However, in the spirit of comeraderie, I think it's safe to say we can all agree that the tiny 10 and Pac 10 are vastly overrated, and are actually only made up of 3 teams each. Oh... and they both need to stop throwing a wrench in the playoff possibilities.

I'll agree with zartan, it was a good post! :thumpsup:

The only point of contention I have is in your Corporate vs the Poor line of thinking. I won't go into a diatribe on this, I'll just ask two simple questions. Like myself, you have yet to clear the $250m mark for income, but I gather that you earn enough to provide well for yourself and your family, right?

Now, here's my questions:
1.) How did you get to where you are today?
2.) What or who is stopping the poor or aynone else from doing the same thing?

[azamugg]

liberal politicians don't pull for the little guy.....they preyon the little guy for his vote then do squat.............chicken/egg .....Conservatives do look out a little more for the guy who has made it....humm, I wonder why......MAYBE ITS BECAUSE THE BRING INGENUITY TO THE TABLE, ENTREPRENURIALISM, CREATE JOBS AND ACTUALLY PAY TAXES TO RUN THE COUNTRY

[zartan]

baloney, they sell peons a fantasy that they might join them in the jet-set life someday, something that will happen for .0000000000001% of the population...

[Rebel Chuck]

Well, I'm not sure. I think Alabama's talent is there, but it's just not matured yet. LSU will reload like always. Auburn will be a good Blue Collar team. Arkansas and State take a slide back to the cellar and Ole Miss finishes middle of the pack.

[Tator]

baloney, they sell peons a fantasy that they might join them in the jet-set life someday, something that will happen for .0000000000001% of the population...

"They"? Who's this "they" you speak of? The politicians? The CEOs? Give us something more to go on than an ambiguous "they".

In America, people are poor because they won't do what is needed to increase their income. There is no mythical barrier or group keeping them poor. That is a LIE drummed up by politicians looking for votes....and sadly the lazy, foolish, ignorant, and naive of our country fall for it everytime.

America does NOT guarantee success. It only guarantees the opportunity to succeed.

We only have to be willing to do what it takes to succeed.

[gatorunvrsty]

I'll agree with zartan, it was a good post! :thumpsup:

The only point of contention I have is in your Corporate vs the Poor line of thinking. I won't go into a diatribe on this, I'll just ask two simple questions. Like myself, you have yet to clear the $250m mark for income, but I gather that you earn enough to provide well for yourself and your family, right?

Now, here's my questions:
1.) How did you get to where you are today?
2.) What or who is stopping the poor or aynone else from doing the same thing?

1. I got to where I am today through hard work and paying a little attention in school... sometimes a very little attention.:laugh: Seriously, though, I don't consider myself as having gotten very far, in the first place; despite my best efforts. What I've learned throughout life, academically, has been mostly provided by extremely well-educated teachers... my parents. I was fortunate enough to attend private school for most of high school; not because we had money, but because my mother taught at the school, and I could attend without the huge tuition. I soon tired of that group, though, and wanted to see things from a different perspective. So, I went to public school my senior year; and I can tell you from first-hand knowledge... the poor start out at an almost insurmountable disadvantage, from grade school on. I spent the large portion of my senior year correcting the teachers. All the subjects they offered, even in AP classes, I'd already taken in 9th, 10th, and 11th grade at private school. Late in the year, it got to the point where I'd just come to school on test day for whatever class it was for; take the test, and go home. Some students will persevere, of course, through their own sheer desire, IQ, and parental influence. But, the vast majority will go home to do homework, not having fully grasped concepts at school, and not have benefit of parents who can help explain it to them. This is the state of disadvantaged people who have had generations of poorly educated family members; and most of the time it can be traced all the way back to a time when certain groups of people weren't even allowed to be educated, especially at secondary and collegiate levels. Certainly, it's not hard to imagine someone whose accomplished and university-educated family has sent him to the finest private schools, has tutors available on request, and practically has the red carpet rolled out in front of him at Yale or Princeton, will have a decided advantage over the kid whose parents are working-class (hard-working, usually), are not educated enough themselves to provide assistance, and don't earn enough to send the soon-to-be-adult to the best institutions of higher learning. Sometimes, no matter how hard a student tries, or how intelligent he may be, or how much potential (wow, I hate that word) he may have, circumstances outside his control will block the progress he earns or deserves... and, sadly, that happens a lot.

2. Unfortunately, a very minute fraction of Americans will ever be able to build themselves into millionaires or billionaires. You could do that when America was still growing and industrializing. Those days are long gone for most; and one thing the extremely wealthy have learned is how to stay that way, and keep it in the family. Additionally, very few stay that way today without walking all over people they consider inferior. Here's the ironic part: They consider themselves superior to people with less money, but few of that group today actually did anything to accumulate the wealth. It's old money... their forefathers did something noteworthy or worked hard to make the family fortune. All they've had to do is not blow it, and pinch pennies where their employees are concerned, while the riches their ancestors accumulated make money. Better believe the ones who are new mega-millionaires had to step on more than a few toes and practically sell their souls to get there. There will always be a few successful rags-to-riches stories that make us feel all fuzzy inside, and that conservatives will point to during times of waning confidence in their "plan"; but, a more in-depth analysis will show those are fewer and farther between than ever before, near extinction, and virtually non-existent compared to the number of failures.

I haven't even addressed the socio-economic hardships that prevent most poor people from doing the same things as those who are already well off. But, again, it's not hard to imagine the difficulty growing up and succeeding in a place comparable to Beirut. The fact is that there are groups of people in this country who have significantly greater hurdles and obstacles to navigate than others, in order to succeed. It's even more unlikely they'll do more than succeed, but excel. I'd venture to say there are more people stuck in their situation through no fault of their own and despite their best efforts to escape, than there are who found their station in life through plain old sloth. Some simply never had a chance. I ride through impoverished parts of towns sometimes, and just find myself considering what it must take to rise above all that surrounds them.

And, I know until I've walked a mile in their hand-me-down shoes, through bullet-ridden neighborhoods, after a less than nutritious dinner and gunfire-interrupted sleep, finding the safest route to school to avoid dealers and gangstas, to attend a school designed as a probation office complete with metal detectors, I'd better not judge too hastily. I know for a fact I started with a leg up, and as I said in my first two sentences... I still don't think I've gotten where I could be or where I'd like to be. Oh, and I work about 60 hours a week, manage a business with about 8000 locations, and I still don't have insurance.:brick:

And no, I don't serve food; so don't tell me you wanted fries.:laugh:

[zartan]

"They"? Who's this "they" you speak of? The politicians? The CEOs? Give us something more to go on than an ambiguous "they".

In America, people are poor because they won't do what is needed to increase their income. There is no mythical barrier or group keeping them poor. That is a LIE drummed up by politicians looking for votes....and sadly the lazy, foolish, ignorant, and naive of our country fall for it everytime.

America does NOT guarantee success. It only guarantees the opportunity to succeed.

We only have to be willing to do what it takes to succeed.
i'm talking about the politicians, of course, who are often owned by CEOs.

i must have imagined politicians fighting against minimum wage increases and defending salary hikes for CEOs with record losses. ditto outsourcing and government that gives token resistance to illegal immigation because it wants cheap, exploitable drones.

hey, maybe you should write a book called "it's your fault you're a peasant". Dr. Phil-style tough love mixed with economic philosophy from the McCain school of imaginary recessions. it'd be gangbusters!

[gatorunvrsty]

i'm talking about the politicians, of course, who are often owned by CEOs.

i must have imagined politicians fighting against minimum wage increases and defending salary hikes for CEOs with record losses. ditto outsourcing and government that gives token resistance to illegal immigation because it wants cheap, exploitable drones.

hey, maybe you should write a book called "it's your fault you're a peasant". Dr. Phil-style tough love mixed with economic philosophy from the McCain school of imaginary recessions. it'd be gangbusters!

Bingo. Call customer service of some of the major corporations today, and tell me who you talk to. It will be:

1. Nobody... send an e-mail
2. A computer with voice recognition software
3. A Pakistani or Indian

Reason: Saves rich man money.

And, what possible reason would Republicans have for granting amnesty to illegal immigrants already in this country? It damn sure ain't because they're the party of compassion. It's because their wealthy freinds can have cheap labor that they don't have to insure for liabilty, worker's comp, health, etc., etc.. They're throwaway workers. If something happens... hell, they're illegal and have no rights. They know they won't be able to seek relief in the event of a tragedy, accident, or disaster because they weren't supposed to be here in the first place. They can be easily bought off if anything serious happens, because both the employer and the employee are keeping a secret they'd prefer stay secret.

[shk999]

Folks get too caught up in the Republican/Democrat thing in my opinion. I vote for (or against) the man, not the party. Politicians are ALL dirtbags, they all lie, cheat and steal and never deliver on promises made while whoring for your vote. To be honest, the more crooked they are, the better. Crooked folks keep the wheels turning, maybe not for the right reasons and usually to pad their own pockets but the wheels are turning none the less. Iraq is a perfect example, maybe there were no WMD's to be found but Saddam needed his ass kicked and it should have been done a long time ago. Nuclear weapons or not, the guy was a sadistic maniac who terrorized an entire country on a day to day basis. He tortured and killed innocent men, women and children for entertainment. He had it coming and im glad he got it. In the end, was it all about oil? Probably so but im ok with that because now Saddam is nothing but a memory along with his lunatic sons (who were both guilty of some of the most sadistic acts of torture Ive ever heard) and his army of serial killers. Do I have a point? Not really, but when its all said and done I dont think Mccain is the best man for the job but I do think he is the best we have to choose from and as I've said before I wont be voting for Mccain, I'll be voting against Obama.

[timNem]

Bingo. Call customer service of some of the major corporations today, and tell me who you talk to. It will be:

1. Nobody... send an e-mail
2. A computer with voice recognition software
3. A Pakistani or Indian

Reason: Saves rich man money.

And, what possible reason would Republicans have for granting amnesty to illegal immigrants already in this country? It damn sure ain't because they're the party of compassion. It's because their wealthy freinds can have cheap labor that they don't have to insure for liabilty, worker's comp, health, etc., etc.. They're throwaway workers. If something happens... hell, they're illegal and have no rights. They know they won't be able to seek relief in the event of a tragedy, accident, or disaster because they weren't supposed to be here in the first place. They can be easily bought off if anything serious happens, because both the employer and the employee are keeping a secret they'd prefer stay secret.

Unfortunately for you and me, it seems that the only time the two major parties agree on anything is when it involves cornholing us with something like amnesty. Anytime you hear bipartisan comprehensive bill you might as well bend over and get ready. Kudos to the few senators and represenatives who truly fought that tooth and nail and the citizens who shut down the Swichboard in DC.

[GatorNation]

If she hates whites so much, she should have given up her seat at Princeton and enrolled in Chicago State. Funny how Mrs. Obama complains about the very benefits she believes will give her some kind of advantage during her lifetime.

:rolleyes:

Geaux, do you have a link to that article? I'd like to pass that around....

[azamugg]

I haven't even addressed the socio-economic hardships that prevent most poor people from doing the same things as those who are already well off. But, again, it's not hard to imagine the difficulty growing up and succeeding in a place comparable to Beirut. The fact is that there are groups of people in this country who have significantly greater hurdles and obstacles to navigate than others, in order to succeed. It's even more unlikely they'll do more than succeed, but excel. I'd venture to say there are more people stuck in their situation through no fault of their own and despite their best efforts to escape, than there are who found their station in life through plain old sloth. Some simply never had a chance. I ride through impoverished parts of towns sometimes, and just find myself considering what it must take to rise above all that surrounds them.

And, I know until I've walked a mile in their hand-me-down shoes, through bullet-ridden neighborhoods, after a less than nutritious dinner and gunfire-interrupted sleep, finding the safest route to school to avoid dealers and gangstas, to attend a school designed as a probation office complete with metal detectors, I'd better not judge too hastily. I know for a fact I started with a leg up, and as I said in my first two sentences... I still don't think I've gotten where I could be or where I'd like to be. Oh, and I work about 60 hours a week, manage a business with about 8000 locations, and I still don't have insurance.:brick:

And no, I don't serve food; so don't tell me you wanted fries.:laugh:



funny how Mexicans w/a worse upbringing in regards to education and standard of living have absolutely no problem coming into this country and making chicken soup out of chicken shit and NEVER BITCHING ......alot of socio econonics my ass, pseudo intellectualism is what it is

[zartan]

right, there have been no giant parades in major U.S. cities in support of illegal immigrant rights or anything like that....

[gatorunvrsty]

funny how Mexicans w/a worse upbringing in regards to education and standard of living have absolutely no problem coming into this country and making chicken soup out of chicken shit and NEVER BITCHING ......alot of socio econonics my ass, pseudo intellectualism is what it is

I wouldn't bitch either if I was crawling out of the septic tank and into the toilet... at least it's a little cleaner there. When you're coming from a place as poor as Mexico, even the slums here would seem like Bel Air. What could they possibly have to complain about?

Also, it's hard to complain when you're getting paid under the table and avoiding the taxes, while your old lady is racking up at the welfare office for you and your brood. All she has to do is claim she isn't married, and she'll qualify for all kinds of assistance. Except in Georgia, where they've passed laws in the last 2 years denying any benefits to undocumented aliens.

That's hardly the same as being a citizen of this country, with (supposedly) all the same rights and privileges; and still not being able to overcome. There are plenty of people who will never even try to better their situation; but there are also countless others who can't because of their background and history... and anyone who doesn't recognize and believe that has led a sheltered life, with few experiences outside their peers and culture.

[*bama boy*]

Obama-racist surronded by mystery
Clinton-lying,cheating, good for nothing,evil.......in one word "Clinton"
McCain-War hero

decsions,decsions

[zartan]

the 'war hero' card worked real well in 2004, didn't it?...

[timNem]

the 'war hero' card worked real well in 2004, didn't it?...
there was a war hero running in 04?

[zartan]

there was a war hero running in 04?
yes, someone who actually saw combat and was decorated, rather than phony G.I. George (complete with Mission Accomplished jumpsuit and aircraft carrier playset--cheering hordes sold separately).

[shk999]

there was a war hero running in 04?

First I've heard of it..:shrug: :laugh:

[timNem]

yes, someone who actually saw combat and was decorated, rather than phony G.I. George (complete with Mission Accomplished jumpsuit and aircraft carrier playset--cheering hordes sold separately).
I thought McCain ran in 2000