Colonel Reb Situation

[NiKka]

So will we ever get our mascot back or what? or have him re-designed?
I haven't heard very much or read very much about it..

[Cianne]

Colonel Reb is gone. They tried to redesign him and everyone boycotted it so we'll probably be like Michigan and just have no physical mascot.

[Rebel Chuck]

As long as they never change "rebels" I'll be ok.

[GeauxTo]

I always liked Colonel Reb as a mascot. Political correctness is the shitz.

[bbqit]

Taps played and he was gone. Then they tried to rebuild him. Make him better. Yet, 6 million dollars wasn't enough to stomach his new look so that's where it ended.

[the Prodigy]

Maybe you could have him raping one of his slaves.... (did I go too far?)

[Cianne]

Yes you did.

[Bburton86]

Haha, but it was funny though.

[Noah.Dreams]

http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/Mississippi_OLD2.gif

Ain't nothing like it nowhere...

[msgadawg]

But it all goes back to tradition, I am sorry, what does it hurt for Col Reb to pace the sidelines of the staidum or the the basketball court! NOTHING.. It is a part of the school, Ok, I will give in the the Rebel flags, but gotta tell you I remember plaing Ole Miss and it was awesome with half the stadium ringing cowbells and that sea of Rebel Flags flowing in the wind on the other side of the stadium, I say bring the Col back,,,

[sheluvsbama]

You guys could vote on a new mascot, maybe. One that would make everyone happy. I don't know who would come up with the choices to vote on, but it would be something to consider, perhaps.

[olemsdave76]

You guys could vote on a new mascot, maybe. One that would make everyone happy. I don't know who would come up with the choices to vote on, but it would be something to consider, perhaps.

been there, tried that, complete waste of time.
the only option that got any support was some roided out version of the Col called Bruiser, but it would only have been a matter of time before Jose Canseco would have shown up in Oxford with allegations of how he knew the cousin of the friend of the doctor who recommended the trainer who injected him.

[sheluvsbama]

been there, tried that, complete waste of time.
the only option that got any support was some roided out version of the Col called Bruiser, but it would only have been a matter of time before Jose Canseco would have shown up in Oxford with allegations of how he knew the cousin of the friend of the doctor who recommended the trainer who injected him.

It is a dilemma. I hope you guys can find a solution.:laugh:

[msgadawg]

Bottom Line The Prez needs to let the Alumni and Fans make this decision, Ole Miss is Ole Miss. They have black and white players, They are the Rebels Period! Every other school in the confrence has a mascot, Why should Ole Miss not have one! I say rebell and bring him back.

[PuddingTime]

You could become the Rainbow Warriors. Hawaii's not using it anymore :D

[the Prodigy]

I have more of a problem with a mascot depicting an ugly time in U.S. history than I do with Native American Mascots even ones like the redskins which is a "racial slur" because it is saying, "Our heritage is a time when we defended our backwards lifestyles and inequality." Being represented by a Native American is sign of honor, being depicted by a rebellion against the U.S. gov't trying to abolish slavery is in no way honorable. Just my opinion.

[OleMissPike]

I have more of a problem with a mascot depicting an ugly time in U.S. history than I do with Native American Mascots even ones like the redskins which is a "racial slur" because it is saying, "Our heritage is a time when we defended our backwards lifestyles and inequality." Being represented by a Native American is sign of honor, being depicted by a rebellion against the U.S. gov't trying to abolish slavery is in no way honorable. Just my opinion.

Your record of speaking on things of which you are ignorant keeps getting longer and longer my friend. :laugh: Just so we're clear, Colonel Reb is based on a black man. Here's the history:

Noted University of Mississippi historian David Sansing has long pointed out that the model for the original Colonel Rebel emblem was a black man. Blind Jim Ivy was a campus fixture until his death in 1955. Jim Ivy became an integral part of the University of Mississippi in 1896. Born in 1870 as the son of African slave Matilda Ivy, he moved from Alabama to Mississippi in 1890. Ivy was blinded in his early teens when coal tar paint got into his eyes while painting the Tallahatchie River Bridge. Ivy became a peanut vendor in Oxford and was considered the university's mascot for many years.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/BlindJim.jpg/155px-BlindJim.jpg

Ivy attended most Ole Miss athletic events and was fond of saying, “I've never seen Ole Miss lose.” Ivy was very much a part of the Ole Miss scene in 1936 when the editor of the school newspaper proposed a contest to produce a new nickname for Ole Miss teams, then known as The Flood. Rebels were the choice of 18 out of 21 sports writers and the university’s sports teams have forever been known as the Rebels. Two years later, Colonel Rebel appeared for the first time as an illustration in the university yearbook.

According to Sansing, “If you look at the photo of Blind Jim in the three-piece suit, with the hat, there's a striking resemblance. The original Colonel Rebel emblem is a spitting image of Blind Jim Ivy, except for white skin.”

Colonel Reb Foundation (http://www.saveolemiss.com/)

[GatorBait15]

why did they banned him

[SaveCol.Reb]

I don't even want to get into a political correctness debate. The fans and alumni loved him...the fans and alumni hate all the so called replacements. Even if we got a new mascot every one would still know us as the Rebels. Point blank. It's not racist. I'm not racist. I say bring back the Col.

[GatorBait15]

Username is a dead give away!

[Noah.Dreams]

Yhe dawg fighters and the cock fighters are well represented in the SEC, might as well give the rebs a vote too.
You guys could vote on a new mascot, maybe. One that would make everyone happy. I don't know who would come up with the choices to vote on, but it would be something to consider, perhaps.

[TDArkansasOhmy]

I always liked Colonel Reb as a mascot. Political correctness is the shitz.

I agree. That's the damn world that we live in today. But we could see this coming when they made a huge deal over offending native Americans. That too is BS. Hell nobody is discredit them in any way. And for the most part it wasn't' the native Americans who was up in arms, it was institutions.
To remove the Colonel from the Ole Miss sidelines is like removing the gator at Florida, due to the fact that someone died in a gator attack in the summer.
I say all SEC fans no many the team, need to unite and protest this horseshimp and stand together to show support for a mascot that has been a part of a conference for years. Because today it colonel Reb, tomorrow it could be your beloved mascot. Weather it be Gator, Commodore, Wildcat, Razorback, Tiger, Fat Red Elephants, Volunteer, Bulldog or Cannonball.
United we all stand, divided our team history falls.

[the Prodigy]

Your record of speaking on things of which you are ignorant keeps getting longer and longer my friend. :laugh: Just so we're clear, Colonel Reb is based on a black man. Here's the history:

Noted University of Mississippi historian David Sansing has long pointed out that the model for the original Colonel Rebel emblem was a black man. Blind Jim Ivy was a campus fixture until his death in 1955. Jim Ivy became an integral part of the University of Mississippi in 1896. Born in 1870 as the son of African slave Matilda Ivy, he moved from Alabama to Mississippi in 1890. Ivy was blinded in his early teens when coal tar paint got into his eyes while painting the Tallahatchie River Bridge. Ivy became a peanut vendor in Oxford and was considered the university's mascot for many years.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/BlindJim.jpg/155px-BlindJim.jpg

Ivy attended most Ole Miss athletic events and was fond of saying, “I've never seen Ole Miss lose.” Ivy was very much a part of the Ole Miss scene in 1936 when the editor of the school newspaper proposed a contest to produce a new nickname for Ole Miss teams, then known as The Flood. Rebels were the choice of 18 out of 21 sports writers and the university’s sports teams have forever been known as the Rebels. Two years later, Colonel Rebel appeared for the first time as an illustration in the university yearbook.

According to Sansing, “If you look at the photo of Blind Jim in the three-piece suit, with the hat, there's a striking resemblance. The original Colonel Rebel emblem is a spitting image of Blind Jim Ivy, except for white skin.”

Colonel Reb Foundation (http://www.saveolemiss.com/)

Or so they would have you believe.... I guess that's why you have the Confederate Flag all over, and why Colonel Reb is also white.... And why white people and the confederate flag are associated with racism... unless you are talking about Ole Miss apparently, because they operate outside the paradigm of acceptable political correctness. Give me break....

[the Prodigy]

I don't even want to get into a political correctness debate. The fans and alumni loved him...the fans and alumni hate all the so called replacements. Even if we got a new mascot every one would still know us as the Rebels. Point blank. It's not racist. I'm not racist. I say bring back the Col.

WAR EAGLE!!!

[gatorunvrsty]

Yep, either one of these would be great:

http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/00/59/02/image_202590.jpg

Redneck Hulk Hogan in a fedora... faaaabulousss!

or:

http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/09/58/02/image_202589.jpg

Vin Diesel suffering from 'roid rage.

Not great choices. BTW, if the look is so offensive, why isn't KFC in bankruptcy?

[The Ramp]

I have more of a problem with a mascot depicting an ugly time in U.S. history than I do with Native American Mascots even ones like the redskins which is a "racial slur" because it is saying, "Our heritage is a time when we defended our backwards lifestyles and inequality." Being represented by a Native American is sign of honor, being depicted by a rebellion against the U.S. gov't trying to abolish slavery is in no way honorable. Just my opinion.

then our mascot, vols, and tarheels should go?

i think not

[the Prodigy]

then our mascot, vols, and tarheels should go?

i think not

I do. Down with racism!

[bbqit]

then our mascot, vols, and tarheels should go?

i think not

Add Unlv to that list. No wait, they are exempt cause they are not from MS. It really appears that those who hate Col Reb have an extreme prejudice for MS.

btw, you can add the demon deacon to that list too.

[bigtreydaddy]

Both:
Everyone's a little bit racist
Sometimes.
Doesn't mean we go
Around committing hate crimes.
Look around and you will find
No one's really color blind.
Maybe it's a fact
We all should face
Everyone makes judgments
Based on race.

Princeton:
Now not big judgments, like who to hire
or who to buy a newspaper from -

Kate Monster:
No!

Princeton:
No, just little judgments like thinking that Mexican
busboys should learn to speak ******* English!

Kate Monster:
Right!

Both:
Everyone's a little bit racist
Today.
So, everyone's a little bit racist
Okay!
Ethinic jokes might be uncouth,
But you laugh because
They're based on truth.
Don't take them as
Personal attacks.
Everyone enjoys them -
So relax!

[SteveMcd217]

Prodigy -- Below are just a few examples of the issues you claim to know so much about. If you did you would realize that Ole Miss is only a small part of this, but it is people like you that don't take the time to research any issue; but jump on the bandwagon and scream down with the republic without even knowing why, that enrage both sides slowing down any possible means of growth and mutual understanding.

On a personal note I have and do travel all over the SEC and in the last 5 years the only university in which I have been the victim of racial and inappropriate sexual slurs toward me and my wife was at the University of Arkansas.


The flag of the U.S. state of Arkansas consists of a diamond on a red field, representing Arkansas's diamond mines (Arkansas was the first state where diamonds were mined naturally). The twenty five white stars around the border of the diamond represents Arkansas's position as the 25th state to join the union; the star inside the diamond and above "ARKANSAS" is for the Confederate States of America. The three stars below "ARKANSAS" have three different meanings: The nations to which Arkansas has belonged (Spain, France, and the United States); the year in which the Louisiana Purchase occurred (1803); and Arkansas being the third state (after Louisiana and Missouri) formed from the Louisiana Purchase. The flag was designed by Willie Kavanaugh Hocker of Wabbaseka, Arkansas from a field of sixty-five entries in a 1912 contest.

Huckabee: Confederate flag a state issue
Friday, Jan 18, 2008

By Aaron Sadler
Stephens Washington Bureau
COLUMBIA, S.C. - Mike Huckabee on Thursday dove head-first into the long-running South Carolina controversy over the Confederate flag, saying it should be up to the state to decide how or whether it should be displayed.

The comments came at a rally in Florence, S.C., where the Republican presidential candidate attempted to separate himself from other contenders he said were "Washington insiders."

Saturday's South Carolina primary appears to be a two-man race between Huckabee and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. Former Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn., also is hoping to make an impact in the first-in-the-South primary.

At the rally, Huckabee criticized those who "have been in charge of all the problems of this country and haven't fixed them."

11.15.2005
LSU's Confederate Flag -- Is it banned? Why does it matter?

At Louisiana State University, over the past month or so, an annual debate has resurfaced with greater intensity than ever. The debate is over the purple and gold confederate or rebel flag.

[The Ramp]

I do. Down with racism!

no point arguing with someone who thinks that all confederate soldiers are slave owners and honoring a soldier who died for their belief and fight against what they perceived as a oppressive government (not about slavery) is pointless. but it's fun to point fingers and throw the race card. it's easy and doesn't require a lot of thought.

[the Prodigy]

no point arguing with someone who thinks that all confederate soldiers are slave owners and honoring a soldier who died for their belief and fight against what they perceived as a oppressive government (not about slavery) is pointless. but it's fun to point fingers and throw the race card. it's easy and doesn't require a lot of thought.

You're a racist aren't you....

[OleMissPike]

Or so they would have you believe.... I guess that's why you have the Confederate Flag all over, and why Colonel Reb is also white.... And why white people and the confederate flag are associated with racism... unless you are talking about Ole Miss apparently, because they operate outside the paradigm of acceptable political correctness. Give me break....

Give me a break is right. Based on your logic, any white person as a mascot is racist because white people lived in the South, the South had the Confederate flag, and the Confederate flag is racist. If you really are a student of the English language, I consider the department at Arkansas total crap and you should ask for your money back.

[the Prodigy]

Give me a break is right. Based on your logic, any white person as a mascot is racist because white people lived in the South, the South had the Confederate flag, and the Confederate flag is racist. If you really are a student of the English language, I consider the department at Arkansas total crap and you should ask for your money back.

Don't try to justify your blatant racism to me.... I can't help you with that. Only you can calm the anger that has caused so much pain to those who have suffered.

[oxfordreb]

Don't try to justify your blatant racism to me.... I can't help you with that. Only you can calm the anger that has caused so much pain to those who have suffered.

If you want blatant racism, look at the "Reverends" Sharpton and Jackson, they're the most openly racist people in world today...

[Emilio7]

I love this topic...because some southerns will defend the rebel flag and all the bag edge that comes with it. It's silly.

It's all about association..The Rebel Flag and Col. Reb are always going to be apart of the time when the south was openly racist . Nowadays it's tone done just alittle bit because people have to be p.c. in public..but it's still there.

Just like most of you associate Obama for being a racist because of Wright's views ...you can make the same argument about Col.Reb . Now this is a quick question for all the Ole Miss faithful...If Col.Reb is based off of a old black man. Why is the mascot white?

I just have a hard time believing that Blind Jim Ivy was a campus fixture back in the 40's and 50's. This is the same school that had a problem with James Meredith being enrolled in 1962..and we all know how the Ole Miss faithful welcomed him...


But anyway, honestly I could care less about Col.Reb and the Rebel Flag. I just find it extremely funny when people defend it with all they have.

[Emilio7]

If you want blatant racism, look at the "Reverends" Sharpton and Jackson, they're the most openly racist people in world today...

Dude give me a break. I could think of a handful of white people who are just if not more racist then them. This argument can go both ways.

[the Prodigy]

If you want blatant racism, look at the "Reverends" Sharpton and Jackson, they're the most openly racist people in world today...

Deflection won't work either....

SAY NO TO RACISM!

[oxfordreb]

Deflection won't work either....

SAY NO TO RACISM!

And we should really say no to idiots who try to make things seem more than they are and would rather destroy an iconic image by funneling false pretenses than to seek the facts

[oxfordreb]

Dude give me a break. I could think of a handful of white people who are just if not more racist then them. This argument can go both ways.

Name me 5 white people that are held by most of blind America as being upstanding members of society but are truly racist biggots that keep hate stirred up more than any other person or oraganization nowadays.

[Emilio7]

Name me 5 white people that are held by most of blind America as being upstanding members of society but are truly racist biggots that keep hate stirred up more than any other person or organization nowadays.

I guess you forgot about that "good ole boys" club that was started in Tennessee. The cowards who dress up like ghost and complain about how minority's are destroying their beloved country.

-Trent Lott (Ole Miss):thumbsdow
-Strom Thurmond *when he was alive*( I love to hear people talk about how he stood for "southern values")
-David Duke (He did carry 39% of the votes back in '91. Shows how screwed up Louisiana really is)

I'm sure i can think of a few more later.

I'm not saying the NAACP is the greatest organization in the world. It's helped alot of people and back when it was started, it helped many black people break this mind set of being a "second-class citizen". I do agree that Sharpton/Jackson don't help themselves by always crying wolf when whites say something out of line, but when blacks or any other minority for that matter says or does something out of line it gets over looked for the most part.

I think it's a street that goes both ways.

[the Prodigy]

And we should really say no to idiots who try to make things seem more than they are and would rather destroy an iconic image by funneling false pretenses than to seek the facts

Yeah, Iconic of Racism.

[Emilio7]

Ole Miss should be more worried about winning games then about some dumb mascot.

[OleMissPike]

Don't try to justify your blatant racism to me.... I can't help you with that. Only you can calm the anger that has caused so much pain to those who have suffered.

You're right. If we get rid of Col Reb completely, all the pain and anger from racism will go away. The world has been searching for a cure of racism for years and all this time we just had to kick Col Reb off the sidelines.

Next we should get rid of the razorback because slaves were fed pork.

[OleMissPike]

I love this topic...because some southerns will defend the rebel flag and all the bag edge that comes with it. It's silly.

It's all about association..The Rebel Flag and Col. Reb are always going to be apart of the time when the south was openly racist . Nowadays it's tone done just alittle bit because people have to be p.c. in public..but it's still there.

Just like most of you associate Obama for being a racist because of Wright's views ...you can make the same argument about Col.Reb . Now this is a quick question for all the Ole Miss faithful...If Col.Reb is based off of a old black man. Why is the mascot white?

I just have a hard time believing that Blind Jim Ivy was a campus fixture back in the 40's and 50's. This is the same school that had a problem with James Meredith being enrolled in 1962..and we all know how the Ole Miss faithful welcomed him...


But anyway, honestly I could care less about Col.Reb and the Rebel Flag. I just find it extremely funny when people defend it with all they have.

I could care less if Col Reb was Black; make him Asian, Hispanic, Indian, I really don't care. I just think it is ridiculous that a bunch of outsiders ignorant of the history feel the need to comment on something they know nothing of. True, public image is formed of perceptions not facts, so if Col Reb is perceived as racist, then take him off the field. However, taking him off the field does not change the true nature of the history behind his creation.

As far as Blind Jim Ivy, don't take my word for it. Here's a link from the African American Studies Department at Ole Miss.

Blind Jim Ivy (http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/afro_am/African_American_Presence/blindjimivy.html)

"Blind Jim Ivy became an integral part of the University of Mississippi in 1896. Ivy was born in 1870, and was the son of African slave Matilda Ivy. He moved from Alabama to Mississippi in 1890. Ivy was blinded in his early teens when coal tar paint got into his eyes while painting the Tallahatchie River Bridge. Ivy was considered the university's mascot for many years. He was a member of Second Baptist Church and led efforts to rebuild the church roof."

[OleMissPike]

Ole Miss should be more worried about winning games then about some dumb mascot.

You may be right, but why the hell do you care? You don't see me whining about any of your yellow and purple confederate flags do you?

[MSUBULLY]

I can't believe I'm going to do this, but here I speak up and defend Ole Miss' right to have what ever mascot they want. I don't think it is racist at all. The only people that do think it's racist are yankees who have never even been to the state of Mississippi. Same with state flags, I think the flag of a state should only be changed by the people of the state by a vote, and the state should not be punished for not changing it. I know the NCAA will never hold any type of event in the state of Mississippi because of our flag which costs us a lot of money in tourism. Tupelo, Jackson, Hattiesburg or the Gulf Coast would be a great host site for NCAA first or second round basketball matches, but we'll never get them until our flag is changed. Just my two cents, I'll try not to speak up for Ole Miss anymore this year though.

[Emilio7]

You may be right, but why the hell do you care? You don't see me whining about any of your yellow and purple confederate flags do you?

Well the purple and gold rebel flags are gone. Sure you still see them on RV's and such. I think the whole rebel flag in general is pretty retarded...but i really don't feel like going into detail about that right now...

[geechee]

You guys could vote on a new mascot, maybe. One that would make everyone happy.

Or, you could just steal the name Bulldogs. MSU seemed to have no problem doing that:laugh:

[bbqit]

Or, you could just steal the name Bulldogs. MSU seemed to have no problem doing that:laugh:

Just because one school had the nick name before another doesn't mean it has been stolen. The only reason I am even commenting on this is I have seen this same arguement before. The most common used nick name in college is the Tigers. Now if you can sort out who started that one and then call all the rest thieves then have at it and enjoy yourself.

[Cjssax]

This is the deep south, if you have a problem with the mascot, or the rebel flag move back up north! Now if a team came out with a swastika on it i could under stand, but the civil war has been over for over 150 years! Its not like any of us actally were around when the flag stood for something else!

[the Prodigy]

Ole Miss is the rebels right?

Can someone remind me what they were rebelling against again?

[geechee]

Just because one school had the nick name before another doesn't mean it has been stolen. The only reason I am even commenting on this is I have seen this same arguement before. The most common used nick name in college is the Tigers. Now if you can sort out who started that one and then call all the rest thieves then have at it and enjoy yourself.

Sure, a few other schools use the name Bulldogs but they are not in the same conference as us. Georgetown is still the Bulldogs but they decided many years back not to flaunt the name because they got it from us, so, they call themselves the hoyas.

[the Prodigy]

THE DARK SIDE OF SPORTS SYMBOLS.(racism and sexism of names, symbols, gestures, and mascots) - USA Today (Magazine) | Encyclopedia.com (http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-69698411.html)


Within the neo-Confederate culture found in parts of the South, certain symbols such as the Rebel battle flag and the singing of "Dixie" are zealously promoted. These symbols have two distinct meanings--one that promotes the South's heritage and another that symbolizes slavery, racial separation, and hate.

In 1948, the so-called Dixiecrats, rebelling against a strong civil rights plank in the Democratic platform, walked out of the party's convention. That year, the University of Mississippi adopted the Rebel flag, designated "Dixie" as the school's right song, and introduced a mascot named Colonel Reb, a caricature of an Old South plantation owner. In 1962, James Meredith, despite the strong opposition of Gov. Ross Barnett and other white leaders in the state, became the first black student at the school. There were demonstrations at that time in support of segregation. Infused in these demonstrations was the showing of the Rebel flag and the singing of "Dixie" as symbols of defiance by the supporters of segregation.

Over the ensuing years, the use of these symbols at the University of Mississippi has caused considerable debate. On the one hand, they represented the state's heritage and as such were a source of pride, inspiration, and unity among its citizens. The opposing position was that these symbols represented a history of oppression against African-Americans, noting that the Rebel flag was also a prominent symbol of the Ku Klux Klan. Opponents argued further that, since almost one-third of Mississippians are African-Americans, the flagship university of that state should not use symbols that recall the degradation and demeaning of their ancestors. Is it proper, they ask, to use the key symbol of the Confederacy and African-American enslavement as a rallying symbol for the University of Mississippi's sports teams--teams composed of whites and blacks?

As a compromise, in 1983, 21 years after the University of Mississippi integrated, its chancellor ruled that the Rebel flag was no longer the official banner for the school. Chancellor Porter L. Fortune Jr. made it clear, however, that students would have the right to wave the flag at football games, and that they have done. Sports teams names such as the Rebels as well as mascots like Colonel Reb and songs such as "Dixie" have continued as official school symbols.

The debate still rages. Charles W. Eagles, a University of Mississippi history professor, sums up the ongoing controversy: "For some of us--those who believe in the University of Mississippi--the symbols prevent the university from being everything it can be. Others--those that are faithful to Ole Miss [the traditionalists]--think that if you took the symbols away, there wouldn't be anything there. The symbols are seen as a real burden for the university. But they're the backbone of Ole Miss." This debate demonstrates vividly the power of symbols, not only to unite or divide, but the hold they have on people, as seen in their resistance to change and in the organized efforts to remove those symbols interpreted as negative.

Interesting that one of the Ole Miss Professors actually agrees with the sentiment that the symbols hold the school back from being "everything it can be."

[volimhtown]

My $.02...which arguably isn't worth even that, but that's neither here nor there! Got it??:laugh:

Let's first keep things in perspective... we're talking about a school's mascot... not a state flag and not a symbol that's being used to define or represent the people of this country. It's a frieking MASCOT!! It's not a political statement!! That being the case, the folks of Mississippi should be free to vote on whatever they want it to be. If the majority feels that they want the Col back, they should be free to have him back. The only thing dumber than the rantings of some ignorant jack-a$$es who feels that the Col somehow represents racism is to give into said jack-a$$es by not having him as your mascot. That's just insane! At some point, intent has to come back into the discusion. The Col is not roaming the sidelines with the intent of conjuring up racist feelings. Nor is he there to symbolize that folks are somehow proud of their racist past. He's there to support his team and school. Why is that so hard to understand?? I mean, if you somehow feel "uncomfortable" over the sight of this fictional character and he makes you think of racism, I would suggest that you have SERIOUS issues to deal with in the mirror before you can begin to worry about this.

[geechee]

THE DARK SIDE OF SPORTS SYMBOLS.(racism and sexism of names, symbols, gestures, and mascots) - USA Today (Magazine) | Encyclopedia.com (http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-69698411.html)

Dude is there anything that you don't have a freakin opinion on. Why don't you stay the hell out of Mississippi's politics. You don't live there. You live in freakin Arkansas, whose freakin history mirrors that of Mississippi. So how about us discussing Arkansas' dark past. Remember, people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Lynching - Encyclopedia of Arkansas (http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/encyclopedia/entry-detail.aspx?entryID=346)

The most notorious perpetrator of lynchings was the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), which first appeared in Arkansas around 1868. The Klan’s initial motives were primarily to disrupt the 1868 elections and thereby prevent freed backs from voting for Republican candidates. The fall of 1868 witnessed a slew of lynchings as the November elections approached. Governor Powell Clayton sought to restore order by sending militia groups to combat the Klan. In one incident, Monticello (Drew County) sheriff William Dollar was kidnapped by fifteen masked men and tied to a black man, Fred Reeves. The two were then dragged 300 yards and shot. To signify the sheriff’s attitudes on racial matters, their bodies were posed in an embrace and left in the middle of the road to rot in the sun. In what had been largely a Unionist area, northwest Arkansas witnessed fewer lynchings in the late 1800s than other parts of the state, although in Fayetteville (Washington County), Klan members were reputed to have broken up church services held at all-black St. James Methodist Church.

The worst violence occurred in southern Arkansas. Little River County endured a number of lynchings during the Reconstruction era, while in Crittenden County, highly organized Klan groups terrorized local blacks, gained complete control of the county, and hanged and murdered scores of people (though an exact death count will never be known). In the late 1860s, hundreds of blacks in Crittenden County periodically sought protection from plantation owner E. M. Main, who was a Freedmen’s Bureau official succeeding his murdered predecessor.

The number of lynchings perpetrated against blacks fell dramatically in the 1890s, when Jim Crow segregation statutes were implemented. Nevertheless, lynching remained a part of life in Arkansas as the state moved into the twentieth century. Indeed, while lynching declined around the turn of the century, the ratio of black victims compared to whites rose steadily, peaking in the 1920s. The nature and methods of lynchings also became more gruesome and terrifying. The March 1904 lynching in St. Charles (Arkansas County) represented a particularly horrific example, in which at least eleven black victims were murdered in a four-day frenzy of violence.

Lynching could also take the form of ethnic cleansing, as evidenced by the Harrison (Boone County) race riots of 1905 and 1909, which effectively drove all but one African American from the area—creating, through violence and intimidation, a virtually all-white community. Municipalities throughout Arkansas sanctioned the enforcement of laws that forbade black people from living in a particular town. Such “sundown towns” as Alix (Franklin County) were far more prevalent in the northern half of Arkansas (where over 100 such towns existed) than in the rest of the state. In northern and northwestern Arkansas, some entire counties, such as Boone and Polk, refused to allow black residents. Sundown towns were at their peak in the late 1960s, thus surviving long after lynching in Arkansas had declined.

Occasionally, lynching was sanctioned by Arkansas leaders, who inflamed racial passions as a means of achieving their own political ends. Former governor Jeff Davis (who was born in Sevier County in 1862 and served as governor of the state from 1901 to 1907) was quite willing to defend the practice of lynching. When President Theodore Roosevelt visited Arkansas in 1905, Davis famously remarked, “[W]e have come to a parting of the way with the Negro. If the brutal criminals of that race…lay unholy hands upon our fair daughters, nature is so riven and shocked that the dire compact produces a social cataclysm.” Thus lynching represented not only a way of asserting white supremacy but also a political tool wielded by demagogues.

On the evening of September 30, 1919, the notorious Elaine Massacre erupted, which marked the deadliest racial episode in Arkansas history. The lynchings and murders that occurred in Elaine arose out of white fear and distrust of a black union organization in Phillips County. A shooting at a church in Hoop Spur (Phillips County) sparked the conflict; the presence of about 100 sharecroppers attending a meeting of the Progressive Farmers and Household Union quickly spurred massive violence by whites against blacks throughout the county. Although the exact death toll remains unknown, historians have estimated that hundreds of black citizens were killed, while five whites died in the incident.

[the Prodigy]

Dude is there anything that you don't have a freakin opinion on. Why don't you stay the hell out of Mississippi's politics. You don't live there. You live in freakin Arkansas, whose freakin history mirrors that of Mississippi. So how about us discussing Arkansas' dark past. Remember, people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Lynching - Encyclopedia of Arkansas (http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/encyclopedia/entry-detail.aspx?entryID=346)

The most notorious perpetrator of lynchings was the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), which first appeared in Arkansas around 1868. The Klan’s initial motives were primarily to disrupt the 1868 elections and thereby prevent freed backs from voting for Republican candidates. The fall of 1868 witnessed a slew of lynchings as the November elections approached. Governor Powell Clayton sought to restore order by sending militia groups to combat the Klan. In one incident, Monticello (Drew County) sheriff William Dollar was kidnapped by fifteen masked men and tied to a black man, Fred Reeves. The two were then dragged 300 yards and shot. To signify the sheriff’s attitudes on racial matters, their bodies were posed in an embrace and left in the middle of the road to rot in the sun. In what had been largely a Unionist area, northwest Arkansas witnessed fewer lynchings in the late 1800s than other parts of the state, although in Fayetteville (Washington County), Klan members were reputed to have broken up church services held at all-black St. James Methodist Church.

The worst violence occurred in southern Arkansas. Little River County endured a number of lynchings during the Reconstruction era, while in Crittenden County, highly organized Klan groups terrorized local blacks, gained complete control of the county, and hanged and murdered scores of people (though an exact death count will never be known). In the late 1860s, hundreds of blacks in Crittenden County periodically sought protection from plantation owner E. M. Main, who was a Freedmen’s Bureau official succeeding his murdered predecessor.

The number of lynchings perpetrated against blacks fell dramatically in the 1890s, when Jim Crow segregation statutes were implemented. Nevertheless, lynching remained a part of life in Arkansas as the state moved into the twentieth century. Indeed, while lynching declined around the turn of the century, the ratio of black victims compared to whites rose steadily, peaking in the 1920s. The nature and methods of lynchings also became more gruesome and terrifying. The March 1904 lynching in St. Charles (Arkansas County) represented a particularly horrific example, in which at least eleven black victims were murdered in a four-day frenzy of violence.

Lynching could also take the form of ethnic cleansing, as evidenced by the Harrison (Boone County) race riots of 1905 and 1909, which effectively drove all but one African American from the area—creating, through violence and intimidation, a virtually all-white community. Municipalities throughout Arkansas sanctioned the enforcement of laws that forbade black people from living in a particular town. Such “sundown towns” as Alix (Franklin County) were far more prevalent in the northern half of Arkansas (where over 100 such towns existed) than in the rest of the state. In northern and northwestern Arkansas, some entire counties, such as Boone and Polk, refused to allow black residents. Sundown towns were at their peak in the late 1960s, thus surviving long after lynching in Arkansas had declined.

Occasionally, lynching was sanctioned by Arkansas leaders, who inflamed racial passions as a means of achieving their own political ends. Former governor Jeff Davis (who was born in Sevier County in 1862 and served as governor of the state from 1901 to 1907) was quite willing to defend the practice of lynching. When President Theodore Roosevelt visited Arkansas in 1905, Davis famously remarked, “[W]e have come to a parting of the way with the Negro. If the brutal criminals of that race…lay unholy hands upon our fair daughters, nature is so riven and shocked that the dire compact produces a social cataclysm.” Thus lynching represented not only a way of asserting white supremacy but also a political tool wielded by demagogues.

On the evening of September 30, 1919, the notorious Elaine Massacre erupted, which marked the deadliest racial episode in Arkansas history. The lynchings and murders that occurred in Elaine arose out of white fear and distrust of a black union organization in Phillips County. A shooting at a church in Hoop Spur (Phillips County) sparked the conflict; the presence of about 100 sharecroppers attending a meeting of the Progressive Farmers and Household Union quickly spurred massive violence by whites against blacks throughout the county. Although the exact death toll remains unknown, historians have estimated that hundreds of black citizens were killed, while five whites died in the incident.



I also know that the KKK's world headquarters is located in Harrison, Arkansas, and just as people should, they ignore the ignorant fools. Sure, Arkansas has a bad past with regards to the mis-treatment of minorities. That is well documented. But, it has also been addressed. Many times. Working conditions in the Chicken evisceration plants was an issue a few years back in Springdale, where primarily Latinos and Hispanics work. The issues here is not trying to degrade an institution's tradition. It seems to me, that the University of Mississippi, is doing everything they can to make both traditionalists and forward thinkers happy.

The USA Today writer mentioned the power of symbols and the influence that they hold over people.

But if the tradition reminds us all of a time when people were oppressed because of the color of their skin, or their view of equality, it is not a tradition worth holding on to. I understand that a lot of people in Mississippi don't see it that way, but there are a lot that do. And the vast majority of people outside the south view it as something that needs to be corrected.

And it is the symbol itself that is the issue. There are several symbols or mascots lumped into this category that don't deserve to be. A symbol or mascot is an emblem of pride. I can understand someone wanting to take pride in a Cherokee, or a Brave, or a Seminole. They are iconic of strength. The Rebellion against the United States of America on the basis of slavery is not iconic of healthy pride. It's iconic of ignorance, tyranny and pain. And while I will be the first to admit we must remember and study that time, it is not a source of pride for me, and I can't see how anyone would take pride in it.

[azamugg]

I love this topic...because some southerns will defend the rebel flag and all the bag edge that comes with it. It's silly.

It's all about association..The Rebel Flag and Col. Reb are always going to be apart of the time when the south was openly racist . Nowadays it's tone done just alittle bit because people have to be p.c. in public..but it's still there.

Just like most of you associate Obama for being a racist because of Wright's views ...you can make the same argument about Col.Reb . Now this is a quick question for all the Ole Miss faithful...If Col.Reb is based off of a old black man. Why is the mascot white?

I just have a hard time believing that Blind Jim Ivy was a campus fixture back in the 40's and 50's. This is the same school that had a problem with James Meredith being enrolled in 1962..and we all know how the Ole Miss faithful welcomed him...


But anyway, honestly I could care less about Col.Reb and the Rebel Flag. I just find it extremely funny when people defend it with all they have.



that "bag edge" had to be a joke right..............you do know its baggage, huh?

[oxfordreb]

THE DARK SIDE OF SPORTS SYMBOLS.(racism and sexism of names, symbols, gestures, and mascots) - USA Today (Magazine) | Encyclopedia.com (http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-69698411.html)


Within the neo-Confederate culture found in parts of the South, certain symbols such as the Rebel battle flag and the singing of "Dixie" are zealously promoted. These symbols have two distinct meanings--one that promotes the South's heritage and another that symbolizes slavery, racial separation, and hate.

In 1948, the so-called Dixiecrats, rebelling against a strong civil rights plank in the Democratic platform, walked out of the party's convention. That year, the University of Mississippi adopted the Rebel flag, designated "Dixie" as the school's right song, and introduced a mascot named Colonel Reb, a caricature of an Old South plantation owner. In 1962, James Meredith, despite the strong opposition of Gov. Ross Barnett and other white leaders in the state, became the first black student at the school. There were demonstrations at that time in support of segregation. Infused in these demonstrations was the showing of the Rebel flag and the singing of "Dixie" as symbols of defiance by the supporters of segregation.

Over the ensuing years, the use of these symbols at the University of Mississippi has caused considerable debate. On the one hand, they represented the state's heritage and as such were a source of pride, inspiration, and unity among its citizens. The opposing position was that these symbols represented a history of oppression against African-Americans, noting that the Rebel flag was also a prominent symbol of the Ku Klux Klan. Opponents argued further that, since almost one-third of Mississippians are African-Americans, the flagship university of that state should not use symbols that recall the degradation and demeaning of their ancestors. Is it proper, they ask, to use the key symbol of the Confederacy and African-American enslavement as a rallying symbol for the University of Mississippi's sports teams--teams composed of whites and blacks?

As a compromise, in 1983, 21 years after the University of Mississippi integrated, its chancellor ruled that the Rebel flag was no longer the official banner for the school. Chancellor Porter L. Fortune Jr. made it clear, however, that students would have the right to wave the flag at football games, and that they have done. Sports teams names such as the Rebels as well as mascots like Colonel Reb and songs such as "Dixie" have continued as official school symbols.

The debate still rages. Charles W. Eagles, a University of Mississippi history professor, sums up the ongoing controversy: "For some of us--those who believe in the University of Mississippi--the symbols prevent the university from being everything it can be. Others--those that are faithful to Ole Miss [the traditionalists]--think that if you took the symbols away, there wouldn't be anything there. The symbols are seen as a real burden for the university. But they're the backbone of Ole Miss." This debate demonstrates vividly the power of symbols, not only to unite or divide, but the hold they have on people, as seen in their resistance to change and in the organized efforts to remove those symbols interpreted as negative.

Interesting that one of the Ole Miss Professors actually agrees with the sentiment that the symbols hold the school back from being "everything it can be."

What do you want Prodigy? Are you trying to show that this entire university is racist? Is that what you want me to say, that I'm racist, that Pike is racist, Dave is racist, that ALL the people associated with the University of Mississippi are racist? I just don't understand your seemingly wild fetish for our University's history and mistakes. Sure, the people back in the early years of the school were sidetracked and undoubtedly wrong, we all know that, but I'm not going to burn everything that was associated with the university then just b/c it was around back when everything was backwards. Remember Little Rock in 1957, when a group now known as the Little Rock 9 were persuted for trying to attend school. Of course you do, now, should we go and burn down the old high school b/c it was the sight of alot pain and prejudice. Of course not, we remember what happened and regret it, but we don't destroy it b/c it was there. If that was the case, half of the Deep South would have burnt towns. In my eyes, the flags, the icons, mascots, etc. are in the same boat. Sure, they were there during some bad times, but just b/c some people chose to relate these images to a bad point in history, it doesn't mean that we should get rid of them. The flag wasn't made to be prejudice, neither was Col. Reb (who is also the mascot of UNLV).

Back to race, I think you're a racist Prodigy, b/c no person except those with pent up hate and aggression would go as far as you have to try to prove a moo point. You may not be racist to blacks, or whites, or mexicans, or any other "x" race. But I do think that you are prejudice to the southern way of life, b/c 95% of the people that live in the Deep South don't care about the point you're attempting to make, not even black people. Most African Americans I believe just want to move on, but it's people like yourself that won't let it die.

Watch this, and watch the 2:40 mark, you'll see what I mean:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=97FK5GUoFS0

[geechee]

I also know that the KKK's world headquarters is located in Harrison, Arkansas, and just as people should, they ignore the ignorant fools. Sure, Arkansas has a bad past with regards to the mis-treatment of minorities. That is well documented. But, it has also been addressed. Many times. Working conditions in the Chicken evisceration plants was an issue a few years back in Springdale, where primarily Latinos and Hispanics work. The issues here is not trying to degrade an institution's tradition. It seems to me, that the University of Mississippi, is doing everything they can to make both traditionalists and forward thinkers happy.

The USA Today writer mentioned the power of symbols and the influence that they hold over people.

But if the tradition reminds us all of a time when people were oppressed because of the color of their skin, or their view of equality, it is not a tradition worth holding on to. I understand that a lot of people in Mississippi don't see it that way, but there are a lot that do. And the vast majority of people outside the south view it as something that needs to be corrected.

And it is the symbol itself that is the issue. There are several symbols or mascots lumped into this category that don't deserve to be. A symbol or mascot is an emblem of pride. I can understand someone wanting to take pride in a Cherokee, or a Brave, or a Seminole. They are iconic of strength. The Rebellion against the United States of America on the basis of slavery is not iconic of healthy pride. It's iconic of ignorance, tyranny and pain. And while I will be the first to admit we must remember and study that time, it is not a source of pride for me, and I can't see how anyone would take pride in it.

Dude, we are talking about a costume with a huge freakin head here, not the history of racism in Mississippi. A freakin costume that just happens to look like Colonel Sanders. KFC still uses his face and I don't see people boycotting KFC. I personally do boycott KFC but that is because they don't sell Coke, they sell Pepsi.

[Cjssax]

Ole Miss is the rebels right?

Can someone remind me what they were rebelling against again?

Who's in favor of sending Ar-kansas to the Big Ten!:brick:
The civil war was fought over state’s rights to vote! The slavery issue was an issue that came later after Lincoln was elected president!

[oxfordreb]

Who's in favor of sending Ar-kansas to the Big Ten!:brick:

I'm in favor of sending Prodigy to another board...:dry:

[bigtreydaddy]

Dude, we are talking about a costume with a huge freakin head here, not the history of racism in Mississippi. A freakin costume that just happens to look like Colonel Sanders. KFC still uses his face and I don't see people boycotting KFC. I personally do boycott KFC but that is because they don't sell Coke, they sell Pepsi.

I, too, am a Coke man. You Hawaiians might be alright...

[Cjssax]

I'm in favor of sending Prodigy to another board...:dry:

hahahahahaha!

[oxfordreb]

I, too, am a Coke man. You Hawaiians might be alright...

Hey BTD, how bout that earthquake the other day, were you at home when it happened?

[bigtreydaddy]

Hey BTD, how bout that earthquake the other day, were you at home when it happened?

Dude, I was TOTALLY home when it happened! Honestly, I didn't think too much about it--my house is relatively close to the railroad tracks (kinda hard to get away from them in Sherman), so my first thought was, Oh crap! Another train derailed (a train recently went off the tracks, roughly a year and-a-half ago). But I noted the time, just in case it was an earthquake, because of the quake they had in Illinois the other day. It wound up being classified as a 3.1--it felt like a tractor-trailer going by your house if you lived right on a highway.

[oxfordreb]

Dude, I was TOTALLY home when it happened! Honestly, I didn't think too much about it--my house is relatively close to the railroad tracks (kinda hard to get away from them in Sherman), so my first thought was, Oh crap! Another train derailed (a train recently went off the tracks, roughly a year and-a-half ago). But I noted the time, just in case it was an earthquake, because of the quake they had in Illinois the other day. It wound up being classified as a 3.1--it felt like a tractor-trailer going by your house if you lived right on a highway.

That's cool man, I saw the report on the news and I couldn't believe it! I wasn't in Oxford at the time, so I don't know if they felt it this far away or not. Pretty crazy, glad you all are safe

[the Prodigy]

People can downplay and stylize it all they want. Honestly, I really don't care, I just think it's amazing that so many people will defend the rebel flag the way they do when they know what it is most commonly associated with. Being "educated" on a matter is irrelevant when you are talking about public opinion. That is rule no.1 in American Politics. The Truth DOES NOT MATTER. In this case, the truth is that most Mississippians don't associate the flag or Colonel Reb with anything offensive. That doesn't really matter, because when other people look at the institution the first thing they see is a symbol that they most commonly associate with Racism.

[the Prodigy]

The civil war was fought over state’s rights to vote! The slavery issue was an issue that came later after Lincoln was elected president!


State's rights to vote correct. The reason the southern states were in an uproar was because of the 3/5ths compromise. Do you know what that is? That was a law stating that slaves counted as 3/5ths of a person, which would increase the number of representatives that each southern state got. The emancipation of the slaves was addressed long before Lincoln was president.

Basically, the southern states wanted to count the slaves toward their total population even though they had no rights as citizens. Congress said that the slaves had to be freed and given full rights as citizens before they could be counted as citizens. The Southern states didn't want to do that. Thus the 3/5ths compromise. Eventually, the southern states were still not getting their legislation passed and decided to succeed from the united states. (A gross summation I know.)

So you see, SLAVERY WAS at the heart of it all. No matter how you want to spin it.

[bigtreydaddy]

Is there some sort of anti-High Five button I can give to 95% of this thread? In the meantime, :thumbsdow

[geechee]

So will we ever get our mascot back or what? or have him re-designed?
I haven't heard very much or read very much about it..

Hey prodigy, here is the very first post on this thread. Show me where it mentions the freakin confederate flag. You brought the flag into this simply to stir up trouble like you always try to do. The rest of us are talking about a freakin costume and we seem to be able to separate the two different "symbols". I date a very beautiful Brazilian lady, and if the two of us were walking down the street in Little Rock most people would probably consider her to be black. If you are referring to me as a racist then GO F*CK YOURSELF.

[bigtreydaddy]

That's cool man, I saw the report on the news and I couldn't believe it! I wasn't in Oxford at the time, so I don't know if they felt it this far away or not. Pretty crazy, glad you all are safe

Yeah, when I heard not only was it a for-real earthquake, but that it originated in Belden (W. Tupelo), I was in awe. I thought east Mississippi was a good piece away from the New Madrid fault, but I hear that a sort of tributary little fault line is developing out here. A buddy of mine that knows some geology says that this is kind of a good thing because the New Madrid fault is like a rubberband that is constantly being wound up and approaches rupturing. Little 2 and 3 magnitude quakes act to release some of that tension, thus postponing the Mid-South Apocalypse til another day. Good times. [/not quite sure]

[the Prodigy]

Hey prodigy, here is the very first post on this thread. Show me where it mentions the freakin confederate flag. You brought the flag into this simply to stir up trouble like you always try to do. The rest of us are talking about a freakin costume and we seem to be able to separate the two different "symbols". I date a very beautiful Brazilian lady, and if the two of us were walking down the street in Little Rock most people would probably consider her to be black. If you are referring to me as a racist then GO F*CK YOURSELF.

I DO believe that he is carrying around some little confederate flags with him most of the time.... just sayin' the two are integrally linked.

I doubt anyone in this thread is a racist. The swastika is a symbol of peace. But the Nazi's ruined that didn't they? If someone tattooed that on their back meaning it as a symbol of peace, that being it's original intent, they would have to justify it to anyone who saw the tattoo and would be labeled a racist by many who saw it from a distance but didn't even know the guy. Ole Miss fans bring this burden upon themselves.

And I don't really give a damn who your dating.

[geechee]

And I don't really give a damn who your dating.

And I really don't give a damn if you eat sh*t and bark at the moon. You have made it fairly clear on this board, that you hate Georgians simply because you are jealous of our football team and Georgia posters have responded to you en masse telling you to f*ck off. So if you want to discuss hate, lets start with your fat ass.

[azamugg]

Dude, I was TOTALLY home when it happened! Honestly, I didn't think too much about it--my house is relatively close to the railroad tracks (kinda hard to get away from them in Sherman), so my first thought was, Oh crap! Another train derailed (a train recently went off the tracks, roughly a year and-a-half ago). But I noted the time, just in case it was an earthquake, because of the quake they had in Illinois the other day. It wound up being classified as a 3.1--it felt like a tractor-trailer going by your house if you lived right on a highway.


with the Burma situation, most likely caused by an underwater quake and the China quake it makes you wonder if the quakes you guys experienced is a result of alot of moving down under going on and magma waves rippling around the world.............

[bbqit]

Sure, a few other schools use the name Bulldogs but they are not in the same conference as us. Georgetown is still the Bulldogs but they decided many years back not to flaunt the name because they got it from us, so, they call themselves the hoyas.

Just seems like we have two tigers on the west side of things. Maybe I'm mistaken.

[the Prodigy]

And I really don't give a damn if you eat sh*t and bark at the moon. You have made it fairly clear on this board, that you hate Georgians simply because you are jealous of our football team and Georgia posters have responded to you en masse telling you to f*ck off. So if you want to discuss hate, lets start with your fat ass.

Well see, that's just totally untrue and belligerent. See, I can keep my cool. I don't have to tell you to do anything. You do it to yourself, just like your football team always does. I don't hate Georgia. But I'm not going to coddle you and tell you that you are the best thing since the cell-phone when you aren't.

I call 'em like I see 'em. I can tell you are agitated. Why don't you go take a bath. Calm down. Have a beer. And just relax. You seem like you could use that. If you think that you're pissed at me now. Just wait until Georgia loses a game....:ohmy:

[geechee]

Just seems like we have two tigers on the west side of things. Maybe I'm mistaken.

Maybe they are different tigers. There are at least 5 types of tigers in the world. LSU's is Bengal tiger. What kind is AU's? Anyway, as a Dogs' fan, that is not my problem.

[bbqit]

Thinkin about it 7 of our games last year were against tigers and bulldogs

[bigtreydaddy]

with the Burma situation, most likely caused by an underwater quake and the China quake it makes you wonder if the quakes you guys experienced is a result of alot of moving down under going on and magma waves rippling around the world.............

Could be. At this point, in my group of friends, I would make my usual joke about how the gas prices are the cause of this terrestrial upheaval. But I really would like to avoid another crazy, deep philosophical/religious/political/sociological/gynecological debate. Wait--what was that last one?...

[geechee]

I call 'em like I see 'em. I can tell you are agitated. Why don't you go take a bath. Calm down. Have a beer. And just relax. You seem like you could use that. If you think that you're pissed at me now. Just wait until Georgia loses a game....:ohmy:

NO, I'm the one who calls it as I see it. You are just a trouble maker for everyone on this board. BTW, these are just words, I am not agitated and I would never allow myself to get pissed at someone like you. I can debate without taking things personally. As far as the beer is concerned, I do not drink during the day unless I'm watching football or I am on vacation but after posting this however, I may just go spark up a blunt:ohmy:

Oh, and my life does not revolve around Georgia football, I'm just a fan. If they get beat, they get beat and life will still go on. I realize that you just live in Arkansas so you have no life.

[WarEagle73]

State's rights to vote correct. The reason the southern states were in an uproar was because of the 3/5ths compromise. Do you know what that is? That was a law stating that slaves counted as 3/5ths of a person, which would increase the number of representatives that each southern state got. The emancipation of the slaves was addressed long before Lincoln was president.

Basically, the southern states wanted to count the slaves toward their total population even though they had no rights as citizens. Congress said that the slaves had to be freed and given full rights as citizens before they could be counted as citizens. The Southern states didn't want to do that. Thus the 3/5ths compromise. Eventually, the southern states were still not getting their legislation passed and decided to succeed from the united states. (A gross summation I know.)

So you see, SLAVERY WAS at the heart of it all. No matter how you want to spin it.


Actually it was Lincoln that emancipated the slaves on September 22,1862 following the Battle of Antietam. It became effective on January, 1, 1863. It only freed slaves in states that were in rebellion against the Union.

[WarEagle73]

Who's in favor of sending Ar-kansas to the Big Ten!:brick:
The civil war was fought over state’s rights to vote! The slavery issue was an issue that came later after Lincoln was elected president!


None of the states left the union until Lincoln was elected. They did however do so before he could take the oath of office. Your state of South Carolina was the first to do so in December of 1860.

[bbqit]

I was wishing somebody would post that. Jan 1, 1863 effective date. Now what was effective date for the civil war to begin and end? When people learn those two dates they may understand that the war was about more than slavery.

[geechee]

State's rights to vote correct. The reason the southern states were in an uproar was because of the 3/5ths compromise. Do you know what that is? That was a law stating that slaves counted as 3/5ths of a person, which would increase the number of representatives that each southern state got. The emancipation of the slaves was addressed long before Lincoln was president.

Basically, the southern states wanted to count the slaves toward their total population even though they had no rights as citizens. Congress said that the slaves had to be freed and given full rights as citizens before they could be counted as citizens. The Southern states didn't want to do that. Thus the 3/5ths compromise. Eventually, the southern states were still not getting their legislation passed and decided to succeed from the united states. (A gross summation I know.)

So you see, SLAVERY WAS at the heart of it all. No matter how you want to spin it.

I'm not commenting on why southern states wanted to "succeed from the united states" (I believe the word you meant to use was secede) but I can tell you this; Lincoln did not fight that war over slavery. He fought that war to preserve the "union" of the states as a whole and said so.

[geechee]

Actually it was Lincoln that emancipated the slaves on September 22,1862 following the Battle of Antietam. It became effective on January, 1, 1863. It only freed slaves in states that were in rebellion against the Union.

Exactly, Lincoln did not free any slaves that were being held in border states or "free" states and he also did not include any southern state that had been captured and was under the control of union armies. Sherman did this on his own without consent from the president.

[lacene]

Wait......so this isn't the new Colonel Reb??


http://woopig.net/board/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=41333.0;attach=354 72;image

[geechee]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[geechee]

Yep, either one of these would be great:

http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/00/59/02/image_202590.jpg

Redneck Hulk Hogan in a fedora... faaaabulousss!



I don't know about Ole Miss but this guy would be very popular in San Francisco:laugh:

[the Prodigy]

Actually it was Lincoln that emancipated the slaves on September 22,1862 following the Battle of Antietam. It became effective on January, 1, 1863. It only freed slaves in states that were in rebellion against the Union.

Addressed, not resolved. Of course, that is just semantics.... but they are important to the point.

[the Prodigy]

I'm not commenting on why southern states wanted to "succeed from the united states" (I believe the word you meant to use was secede) but I can tell you this; Lincoln did not fight that war over slavery. He fought that war to preserve the "union" of the states as a whole and said so.

And regardless of whether or not you want to admit it, slavery was always a key issue during the civil war.

I don't know why I bother with you, you just don't get it. This isn't a new argument, this isn't something that I expect to be resolved. The University of Mississippi has already banned the use of the confederate flag and Colonel Reb from campus. While they still allow the fans to display the symbols at games and keep the trademarks, they know that both the symbols are toxic to the university and will never again display them on campus, on an official University flag, or in any official capacity. I'm only supporting the views that the University of Mississippi has already adopted and has kept for over two decades.

[bbqit]

Back to the original topic. The situation is simple. Taps played for Col Reb. Deal with it.

[The Ramp]

i even wore a "save col reb" pin on my purple/gold shirt during one of our games in oxford

[The Ramp]

The swastika is a symbol of peace. But the Nazi's ruined that didn't they?

depends on which way the swastika is facing. one way is bad and the other is good. :peace:

[the Prodigy]

depends on which way the swastika is facing. one way is bad and the other is good. :peace:

True, regardless of the way it's facing, people will immediately associate it with Nazism, not Buddhism.

[The Ramp]

True, regardless of the way it's facing, people will immediately associate it with Nazism, not Buddhism.

next time you're in new orleans, go to Girod street and Tchopitolas street (forgot the name). there's a restaurant/bar there with swastikas on the floor. there's a big sign explaining the difference. good food too:thumpsup:

[geechee]

regardless of the way it's facing, people will immediately associate it with Nazism, not Buddhism.
That is in your simple mind. Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because you are so simple minded, the rest of the world is also. Buddhists and Native Americans still use the symbol. The symbol is on the sidewalk leading up to the largest art museum in Philadelphia.

[geechee]

Back to the original topic. The situation is simple. Taps played for Col Reb. Deal with it.


That's fine by me. Ole Miss ain't my school. They can throw out that mascot and send Hairy Dawg with him for all I care but if anyone tries to lay a finger on Uga, he's going to take that finger off or get some Dogs' fan to do it for him:laugh:

[bbqit]

That's fine by me. Ole Miss ain't my school. They can throw out that mascot and send Hairy Dawg with him for all I care but if anyone tries to lay a finger on Uga, he's going to take that finger off or get some Dogs' fan to do it for him:laugh:

If Miss State had really copied your bulldog uga they would have named him umissst.

[geechee]

If Miss State had really copied your bulldog uga they would have named him umissst.

I never said they copied Uga. I said they copied the name Bulldogs. If anyone ever tries to copy Uga's image, they'd find their asses in a court of law within six months, hit with a huge law suit that they would lose.

[Emilio7]

I never said they copied Uga. I said they copied the name Bulldogs. If anyone ever tries to copy Uga's image, they'd find their asses in a court of law within six months, hit with a huge law suit that they would lose.

Same goes for Auburn copying us. Oh wait I'm sorry Auburn can't make up their mind of what they want to be. Seriously either be the War Eagles or the Tigers....you can't have both.

[geechee]

Same goes for Auburn copying us. Oh wait I'm sorry Auburn can't make up their mind of what they want to be. Seriously either be the War Eagles or the Tigers....you can't have both.

Does AU actually have a tiger like LSU or just some frat guy dressed up as one?

[the Prodigy]

That is in your simple mind. Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because you are so simple minded, the rest of the world is also. Buddhists and Native Americans still use the symbol. The symbol is on the sidewalk leading up to the largest art museum in Philadelphia.

Sometimes I wonder if there is something in the watersheds that feed Georgia that makes people do stupid things.... like you know, be Georgia fans, and make stupid remarks that this one here. If there is one thing I know it's that in a moment of clarity I had a few months ago, I realized you aren't worth the time it takes to turn on my computer. It is my fault, my memory has slipped, I am now remembering why you aren't worth my time, you don't have anything useful to say. In fact, I don't think you've ever made a single comment that I didn't expect, or divulged any information I didn't already know. You may be the most worthless football fan on this board, and that is saying something, because there have been some doozies. I really don't care if you are buddy buddy with whoever, or if you've been on this site for so long. In my experience you are totally worthless. I hope that works out for you, you know, being totally worthless.

:thumpsup:CHEERS!:thumpsup:

[geechee]

You may be the most worthless football fan on this board, and that is saying something, because there have been some doozies.
:thumpsup:CHEERS!:thumpsup:

And yet, you use a quote of mine as your signature. You truly are an idiot aren't you :thumpsup:

If we had known that the Hogs had fans like you, we'd never would have let y'all in the SEC.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[the Prodigy]

And yet, you use a quote of mine as your signature. You truly are an idiot aren't you :thumpsup:

If we had known that the Hogs had fans like you, we'd never would have let y'all in the SEC.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Who's the idiot? The guy who will kiss another guys ass? Or the guy that will remind him that he said he'd do it?

Yeah, you said you would kiss my ass.... And my signature is a reminder to you, and all others, of your rare combination of pomp and idiocy.

[AUviaDC101]

Man... I am black. and I have NO problem with the 'ole reb...

That just plain sucks...

[Cjssax]

Well the purple and gold rebel flags are gone. Sure you still see them on RV's and such. I think the whole rebel flag in general is pretty retarded...but i really don't feel like going into detail about that right now...
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a142/cjssax/images.jpg

With all the arguing aside, that is a pretty neat looking flag

[geechee]

Who's the idiot? The guy who will kiss another guys ass? Or the guy that will remind him that he said he'd do it?

Yeah, you said you would kiss my ass.... And my signature is a reminder to you, and all others, of your rare combination of pomp and idiocy.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

You are killing me man!:laugh: You are great entertainment. Much freakin funnier than anything I could find on TV.

Yes, of course I said that and I would say it again. You simply paraphrased me to fit your own needs. My exact quote was If y'all are the number one offense in the SEC at the end of this season, I'll kiss your ass, but, that ain't going to happen!

So here let me make this clear to you:

If y'all are the number one offense in the SEC at the end of this season, I'll kiss your ass, but, that ain't going to happen!

You are becoming my favorite poster:thumpsup:

[Emilio7]

Does AU actually have a tiger like LSU or just some frat guy dressed up as one?

They actually have a tiger mascot. He looks like a ragdoll if you ask me.

[Emilio7]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a142/cjssax/images.jpg

With all the arguing aside, that is a pretty neat looking flag

No not really. Looks pretty dumb if you ask me. It's pretty trashy and should be burned along with the original.

[geechee]

They actually have a tiger mascot. He looks like a ragdoll if you ask me.

When you say "they actually have a tiger mascot" do you mean a tiger like Mike?

or is it like Tony "They're Grrreat!" the Tiger?

[Emilio7]

When you say "they actually have a tiger mascot" do you mean a tiger like Mike?

or is it like Tony "They're Grrreat!" the Tiger?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Aubie-01.jpg/300px-Aubie-01.jpg

[geechee]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Aubie-01.jpg/300px-Aubie-01.jpg

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Is that real? If it is, that is freakin embarrassing. That can't be AU's mascot.

[Emilio7]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Is that real? If it is, that is freakin embarrassing. That can't be AU's mascot.

Couldn't make this up dude....:laugh:

Aubie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubie)
Aubie is Auburn University's award-winning costumed tiger mascot. Aubie has won a record six mascot national championships, more than any other mascot in the United States. Aubie was among the first three college mascots inducted to the Mascot Hall of Fame, inducted on August 15, 2006.

http://www.auburn.edu/administration/trademark/aubie.jpg

https://fp.auburn.edu/greek/hayley%20aubie%20court.JPG
(the chick in the orange is hot:thumpsup:)..Probably the only positive thing you'll here me say about Auburn. Sry about the pic being so damn big.

[bbqit]

I never said they copied Uga. I said they copied the name Bulldogs. If anyone ever tries to copy Uga's image, they'd find their asses in a court of law within six months, hit with a huge law suit that they would lose.

Not really worried about it. All I know is watching movies with english bulldogs in them they usually have somebody that looks like Col Reb as a master.

[the Prodigy]

You are becoming my favorite poster:thumpsup:

And you are becoming my favorite punchline. :laugh:

[geechee]

All I know is watching movies with english bulldogs in them they usually have somebody that looks like Col Reb as a master.

Here's a picture of Sonny, does he look like Col Reb to you?



http://people.bu.edu/lzoller/family/April1/SeilerUga.gif

Man, looking at that crab basket next to Uga just made me very hungry.

[AUviaDC101]

https://fp.auburn.edu/greek/hayley%20aubie%20court.JPG


Hate our mascot ALL you want. I will say 2 things.

1. He wins TONS of mascot awards.

2. One time I parked my car in a lot outside the baseball game. and I swear to god, he walked past with three blonde hotties, and he was in FULL character.

Fuckin hilarious.

War Eagle

[geechee]

Hate our mascot ALL you want. I will say 2 things.

1. He wins TONS of mascot awards.

2. One time I parked my car in a lot outside the baseball game. and I swear to god, he walked past with three blonde hotties, and he was in FULL character.

Fuckin hilarious.

War Eagle

In case you've never noticed, a freakin baseball game is great place to meet chics. Long game, not much action, plenty of time to talk, and vendors walking around yelling "cold beer".

[Miden]

Same goes for Auburn copying us. Oh wait I'm sorry Auburn can't make up their mind of what they want to be. Seriously either be the War Eagles or the Tigers....you can't have both.


And we dont claim to be both. We are the Tigers now and forever.

Did you know that Auburn's eagles have always been named "Tiger"?

I will admit that the Tigers is a rather overused nickname for schools; Auburn just happens to have some history and tradition to go along with it.