Most overrated player in the SEC?

[BAMAPERRY]

Who is it?

[GeauxTo]

What??? No John Parker Wilson??:laugh:

[BAMAPERRY]

It wouldn't surprise me to see JPW lead the SEC in passing yardage next year with McElwain there. Not that he would be the top SEC QB, though.

[FanninFan]

You think Geaux To might have voted Burns in this poll? :dry:

[True Grit]

I said Burns because he looked like a horrible passer in the bowl game. This poll is stupid though, seeing how two of the players havent even started a whole season yet.

[zartan]

tebow lost 4 games. stats aren't everything.

[Kevhugh]

I wish I could vote for Moreno.

[TigerEyes1914]

Why is Burns even on this list? He was a true freshman last year that started one game for pete's sake!!!

[bulldawg]

I wish I could vote for Moreno.


If you think Moreno is overated you have a BIG surprise coming. If he can run all over UF, think of what he's gonna do to USC.

[bamagt]

This is a dumb poll. 2 of these guys barely play and Tebow won the Heisman.

[GetEmGamecocks]

I'd have to say Moreno too. I'm not saying he sucks, just that he is overrated in my opinion. If he proves himself next year I'll stop thinking that.

[bulldawg]

I'd have to say Moreno too. I'm not saying he sucks, just that he is overrated in my opinion. If he proves himself next year I'll stop thinking that.


Um? Just curious, how did he not prove himself last year? Once he was unleashed we won out.

After the UT loss Richt gave him the ball more and even though he was sharing carries with Brown he almost had a 1000 yard season.

[GatorHunter]

tebow lost 4 games. stats aren't everything.

You're right...Tebow should play defense too...:wacko:

[GatorBait15]

UGA fans voted Tebow haha

[zartan]

You're right...Tebow should play defense too...:wacko:
aren't gators supposed to have thick skin? the Tebow Anti-Defamation League never fails to respond...

[bulldawg]

No I voted for Perrilloux. I think he's not half as good as HE thinks he is. LSU would be alot better off with a more dependable QB that actually appreciates playing for LSU.

[GetEmGamecocks]

Um? Just curious, how did he not prove himself last year? Once he was unleashed we won out.

After the UT loss Richt gave him the ball more and even though he was sharing carries with Brown he almost had a 1000 yard season.

Again, he's a good back. I have a feeling that the hype could die down after SEC defenses/coaches base their gameplans around stopping him (and now that they can actually make a gameplan for him).

[bulldawg]

Again, he's a good back. I have a feeling that the hype could die down after SEC defenses/coaches base their gameplans around stopping him (and now that they can actually make a gameplan for him).


Thats why hes there, stack the box and stop Moreno and Stafford will kill you with his arm. If our WR's can catch the ball at least 70% of the time we will be fierce. We have real depth at RB and will keep fresh legs on the field.

It should be a very interesting year.

[D^3]

Again, he's a good back. I have a feeling that the hype could die down after SEC defenses/coaches base their gameplans around stopping him (and now that they can actually make a gameplan for him).

Just curious.... HOW do you figure that nobody had a gameplan for him before? Last time I checked, you prepare your defense for a passing AND a rushing game, not just a single player. And BTW, Auburn's #1 defense had plenty of forewarning about Moreno, they were supposedly ready for him, and he still ran for over 100 yards. You're kidding yourself if you think he just did so well because "nobody was ready for him."

I think to be overrated you have to be hyped and unproductive. Last year Moreno was NOT hyped coming into the year, and was certainly not unproductive. He ran for the most yards as an SEC freshman since Herschel Walker, yet before Georgia-Florida, hardly anybody hard heard of him. So how can you call him overrated?

[D^3]

BTW, this whole poll is useless because the only options are BamaPerry's biased opinions. Notice the absence of John Parker Wilson from this list.

[GetEmGamecocks]

Because he hasn't played a whole year. He will likely shut me up halfway through the season. He could also get beat up and slow down after playing the Gamecocks.

[gatorunvrsty]

You're right...Tebow should play defense too...:wacko:

Yeah, I love it when people say Tebow lost games... that's about the dumbest sh*t ever.:blink: UF was 3rd best in the country scoring, and averaged 42.5 points per game. Last year (the NC year), UF was 23rd, and averaged 29.7. The difference between this year and last? Defense. UF was 41st in the nation this year, and gave up 24.2 points per game. In '06, we were 6th in the nation, allowing 13.5 points per game.

Tebow only made the offense better... considerably better, which is his job. The defense, on the other hand, was considerably worse, which has absolutely nothing to do with Tebow.

How can a sophomore Heisman Trophy winner who just threw for 32 TD's against 6 INT's and ran for another 23 TD's be overrated anyway? What should he actually have done... accounted for 75 TD's instead of the measley 55 he did? :wacko:

[gatorunvrsty]

BTW, this whole poll is useless because the only options are BamaPerry's biased opinions. Notice the absence of John Parker Wilson from this list.

To be overrated, people have to consider you good in the first place... just not AS good as some people claim. Hell, even Bama fans don't think JPW is good; so he can't be on the overrated list. You gotta be hyped before you can be overhyped.:happy:

[bulldawg]

Just have Tebow play DB as well as QB and that should shut everyone up.

[zartan]

that's pretty cool if we're playing a season on playstation, i guess.

[D^3]

Because he hasn't played a whole year. He will likely shut me up halfway through the season. He could also get beat up and slow down after playing the Gamecocks.


A Freshman that rushes for 1600 yards can't be overrated, no matter how you want to try and spin it. I think we can give that award to somebody much more deserving.... like Perriloux, who has yet to show that he can do anything OTHER than get into trouble off the football field.

[Tider27]

I voted Burns because Auburn fans are putting him on too high of a pedestal. Really none of them are truely over-rated...

[*bama boy*]

I wish I could vote for Moreno.

i agree, i think Moreno is a very good back but has been getting to much attention, espically after the sugar bowl, when people were talking about Georgia winning a national championship in 08 (wich wont happen). i do think moreno will have a very good year, just not great, the same goes for the Georgia team.

[bulldawg]

i agree, i think Moreno is a very good back but has been getting to much attention, espically after the sugar bowl, when people were talking about Georgia winning a national championship in 08 (wich wont happen). i do think moreno will have a very good year, just not great, the same goes for the Georgia team.



I'm sure glad we play Alabama again this year. That way ya'll can see just how overrated we are.

[NiKka]

John Parker Wilson

[GeauxTo]

2008 will be a great season because we will see these matchups:

Tebow vs. Perrilloux
Stafford vs. Perrilloux
Burns vs. Perrilloux

plus some other tasty morsels!

[bulldawg]

2008 will be a great season because we will see these matchups:

Tebow vs. Perrilloux
Stafford vs. Perrilloux
Burns vs. Perrilloux

plus some other tasty morsels!

As a LSU fan do you really expect Perrilloux to stay out of trouble and play the whole season? This is a serious question, I thought he was off the team.

[*bama boy*]

I'm sure glad we play Alabama again this year. That way ya'll can see just how overrated we are.

hahaha lookin forward to it, hope i can be in Athens, i do think Georgia will be really good, just not the best, same for moreno......maybe his junior year.:closedeye

[GeauxTo]

As a LSU fan do you really expect Perrilloux to stay out of trouble and play the whole season? This is a serious question, I thought he was off the team.

Yep, from what I've picked up in recent days, I fully expect Perrilloux to return to the team very soon. I mentioned in another post that one of the black assistant coaches has taken Ryan under his wing and has him attending church, doing volunteer work, etc. I sure hope it works because the kid has a world of talent and a rich career ahead of him in the pros if he can stay in line.

[The Ramp]

wow...this is a stupid poll

[Tennessee Ted]

I picked Stafford because he really should have gone for the grits instead of the hash browns. :laugh:

[bulldawg]

Yep, from what I've picked up in recent days, I fully expect Perrilloux to return to the team very soon. I mentioned in another post that one of the black assistant coaches has taken Ryan under his wing and has him attending church, doing volunteer work, etc. I sure hope it works because the kid has a world of talent and a rich career ahead of him in the pros if he can stay in line.

I guess my big question is, IS this kid talented enough to take the chance on him screwing up again in the middle of the season and LSU having to revamp their whole offense around him being gone?

[The Ramp]

I guess my big question is, IS this kid talented enough to take the chance on him screwing up again in the middle of the season and LSU having to revamp their whole offense around him being gone?

i doubt there will be any "revamp"ing with or without RP

that being said, he's doing everything he's supposed to be doing to get back in good graces. i just can't see him going the entire season. he's a least 2 game difference for us.

[mr_mann]

I picked the Tebow becuase he was the first on the list.. most of these players shouldnt even be on this poll..

[GeauxTo]

I guess my big question is, IS this kid talented enough to take the chance on him screwing up again in the middle of the season and LSU having to revamp their whole offense around him being gone?


Good question, and one that a lot of LSU fans are asking. He's definitely talented enough, but it would be awful to have him screw up prior to a big game; like against Georgia or Florida. If Perrilloux sees the field and lives up to his capability, he could be gangbusters. And, the adoration that would come to him for really doing well might be a factor in keeping him on track. We'll just have to see.

[bulldawg]

i doubt there will be any "revamp"ing with or without RP

that being said, he's doing everything he's supposed to be doing to get back in good graces. i just can't see him going the entire season. he's a least 2 game difference for us.

Ok I understand now. Like I said before I thought he was off the team. And I read that his mother was fighting with the coach and threatened to make him transfer. Just sounds like a loose cannon to me. You would think a full scholarship to LSU and getting to play on that big of a stage to get NFL interest would be enough to make him behave.

Some people just don't get it.

[The Ramp]

Ok I understand now. Like I said before I thought he was off the team. And I read that his mother was fighting with the coach and threatened to make him transfer. Just sounds like a loose cannon to me. You would think a full scholarship to LSU and getting to play on that big of a stage to get NFL interest would be enough to make him behave.

Some people just don't get it.

agreed. i don't think we'll change any offense with or without RP other than less running plays for the QB. i hope he'll change (i was stupid in college too) but i have my reservations when his whole family is stupid.

[BAMAPERRY]

wow...this is a stupid poll

There are no stupid pollsters, just stupid repliers! :laugh:

[The Ramp]

There are no stupid pollsters, just stupid repliers! :laugh:

i rest my case

[Bburton86]

I voted for Stafford. Listening to you guys debate whether Moreno was overrated is hilarious. Moreno was second only to McFadden as a rusher.

[bulldawg]

I voted for Stafford. Listening to you guys debate whether Moreno was overrated is hilarious. Moreno was second only to McFadden as a rusher.


And he really only played a half season.

[FanninFan]

You're right...Tebow should play defense too...:wacko:

And coach the special teams.

Florida might consider using him as the Director of HS relations, I heard. It seems as though his future is uncertain. :ph34r:

[sheluvsbama]

Yeah, I love it when people say Tebow lost games... that's about the dumbest sh*t ever.:blink: UF was 3rd best in the country scoring, and averaged 42.5 points per game. Last year (the NC year), UF was 23rd, and averaged 29.7. The difference between this year and last? Defense. UF was 41st in the nation this year, and gave up 24.2 points per game. In '06, we were 6th in the nation, allowing 13.5 points per game.

Tebow only made the offense better... considerably better, which is his job. The defense, on the other hand, was considerably worse, which has absolutely nothing to do with Tebow.

How can a sophomore Heisman Trophy winner who just threw for 32 TD's against 6 INT's and ran for another 23 TD's be overrated anyway? What should he actually have done... accounted for 75 TD's instead of the measley 55 he did? :wacko:

How very true! What more could he have done? He won the Heisman as a sophomore! His stats speak for themselves. Anyone who doesn't know what he accomplished has had their head in the sand. If he doesn't play for your team, you are sorry he doesn't. He is not overrated. He is getting his due credit. No matter which team we cheer for, talent and remarkable athleticism are the things we admire in all. But Tebow, overrated? Hardly! :laugh:

[jthomas666]

I said Burns because he looked like a horrible passer in the bowl game. This poll is stupid though, seeing how two of the players havent even started a whole season yet.What he said. Attempting to compare two players w/ two full seasons w/ two players w/ relatively little experience is pointless.

[OleMissPike]

I'll tell you who's not overrated, Bill Brasky; Brasky's ranked eighteenth in the AP College Football Poll and makes every woman that sleeps with him refer to him as Bear Bryant.

[Bulldog Bry]

I'll tell you who's not overrated, Bill Brasky; Brasky's ranked eighteenth in the AP College Football Poll and makes every woman that sleeps with him refer to him as Bear Bryant.

Long live Brasky!!!

[GeauxTo]

Who was the most valuable player in the 2007 SEC Championship Game??
Was it Kodi?
Was it Tebow?
Was it Stafford?

:laugh:

[Dream]

I really don't have a favorite team in the SEC. I love Georgia and I Love Florida. However a believe without a shadow of a doubt that Tim Tebow is the most overrated player in the SEC, and possibly the Nation. Great player? Yes. Loads of Talent? No doubt. Best player in the Nation? Hell no. Yes he had wonderful numbers, but a year before, so did Colt Brennan. We've seen how that turned out. IMO, Tebow's an average passer, and gets to much credit for his running ability when the vast majority of his touchdowns came from within 10 yards of the goal line. They'd give it to one of the many blazers on the field, they'd get in the red zone, and you'd see multiple carries from Tebow until he scored. Rinse and repeat. Any QB with that many carries within the red zone could produce similar numbers. I'm sorry, he's good, but he;s overrated. BTW, Darren Mcfadden was robbed of the Heisman. The impact he had on a sub par team was remarkable.

[GeauxTo]

Warning!
Gator onslaught coming!
Take cover!
:ohmy:

[gatorunvrsty]

Warning!
Gator onslaught coming!
Take cover!
:ohmy:

Nah, not falling for the Gatorbait... first post like that = Arky or UGA fan in disguise.:laugh: Plus, no Gators hate South Carolina.

[Tider27]

Only thing I agree with the troll on...McFadden should of won the heisman. Nothing against Tebow because you can't argue he's over-rated, but McFadden did make a huge impact(not big enough) on a sub-par SEC team. The only arguement you can make about SuperTebow is that stats were a little padded, but thats just the benefit of the offense basically.

[OleMissPike]

Nah, not falling for the Gatorbait... first post like that = Arky or UGA fan in disguise.:laugh: Plus, no Gators hate South Carolina.

Based on the logic of his post, I'd say it's a current SEC Talk poster in disguise...

[reese]

Based on the logic of his post, I'd say it's a current SEC Talk poster in disguise...

anyone specific in mind?

[OleMissPike]

anyone specific in mind?

I'd say one of the current Arky fans

[Bulldog Bry]

I really don't have a favorite team in the SEC. I love Georgia and I Love Florida. However a believe without a shadow of a doubt that Tim Tebow is the most overrated player in the SEC, and possibly the Nation. Great player? Yes. Loads of Talent? No doubt. Best player in the Nation? Hell no. Yes he had wonderful numbers, but a year before, so did Colt Brennan. We've seen how that turned out. IMO, Tebow's an average passer, and gets to much credit for his running ability when the vast majority of his touchdowns came from within 10 yards of the goal line. They'd give it to one of the many blazers on the field, they'd get in the red zone, and you'd see multiple carries from Tebow until he scored. Rinse and repeat. Any QB with that many carries within the red zone could produce similar numbers. I'm sorry, he's good, but he;s overrated. BTW, Darren Mcfadden was robbed of the Heisman. The impact he had on a sub par team was remarkable.

Sorry, but I've heard that argument before and I think it's silly. If it's so easy to score inside the 10, why don't ALL QB's do it? Rinse and repeat seems to work well for him. Here's the thing. If you know he's going to run it, why can't anyone stop him? Oh, and by the way, Tebow was 1st in pass efficiency and 2nd in passing average last year.

Man, I freakin HATE having to defend Tebow...........

[GatorHunter]

aren't gators supposed to have thick skin? the Tebow Anti-Defamation League never fails to respond...

I thought that was a legitimate post...seeing how you blamed Tebow for UF's 4 losses...the "zartan-Tebow-defamation league" never fails to respond either. I understand though...considering how he embarrassed your team last season...;)

[GatorHunter]

I really don't have a favorite team in the SEC. I love Georgia and I Love Florida. However a believe without a shadow of a doubt that Tim Tebow is the most overrated player in the SEC, and possibly the Nation. Great player? Yes. Loads of Talent? No doubt. Best player in the Nation? Hell no. Yes he had wonderful numbers, but a year before, so did Colt Brennan. We've seen how that turned out. IMO, Tebow's an average passer, and gets to much credit for his running ability when the vast majority of his touchdowns came from within 10 yards of the goal line. They'd give it to one of the many blazers on the field, they'd get in the red zone, and you'd see multiple carries from Tebow until he scored. Rinse and repeat. Any QB with that many carries within the red zone could produce similar numbers. I'm sorry, he's good, but he;s overrated. BTW, Darren Mcfadden was robbed of the Heisman. The impact he had on a sub par team was remarkable.

:lol:

Meet Arky fan posing as a Gator...and on the first post!! Too funny.

[gatorunvrsty]

Sorry, but I've heard that argument before and I think it's silly. If it's so easy to score inside the 10, why don't ALL QB's do it? Rinse and repeat seems to work well for him. Here's the thing. If you know he's going to run it, why can't anyone stop him? Oh, and by the way, Tebow was 1st in pass efficiency and 2nd in passing average last year.

Man, I freakin HATE having to defend Tebow...........

Saved me the trouble of explaining that he still averaged 4.3 yards a carry, and every person in the stadium knew he was coming.:thumpsup:

[crusse10]

I think that Moreno is the most overrated player in the SEC.
Georgia fans are already saying that a sophomore is the best running back the school has had in 10 years. That's close to the highest rating fans can give a player on their team.
I have been saying this for a long time, and I'll say it again. Moreno is a good running back, but I think it will take more time for fans to knowingly call him the greatest of the last 10 years. For God's sake...the kid has played 1 year. He had a great freshman season, but he definitely snuck up on teams. When Moreno came into Knoxville, he was the 3rd back on the depth chart. In Knoxville, there was no running game, and Richt made changes. He had a career day the following week (against Vandy, albeit). After that, it was Florida. Do you honestly think that Meyer knew what Moreno could do? He saw a run game get completely owned by a team that they crushed. Of course he wasn't ready for what Moreno would become.
I think that Moreno took the SEC by storm, but the storm has subsided. I think he will turn into just your run-of-the-mill SEC running back.
Heisman...I just don't think so.
People are saying that he will compete with Tebow for the Heisman. That, to me, is overrated. I want to see him play a full season as a starter in the SEC before I say he's a Heisman candidate. That is why I say Moreno is overrated.

[Dream]

Sorry, but I've heard that argument before and I think it's silly. If it's so easy to score inside the 10, why don't ALL QB's do it? Rinse and repeat seems to work well for him. Here's the thing. If you know he's going to run it, why can't anyone stop him? Oh, and by the way, Tebow was 1st in pass efficiency and 2nd in passing average last year.

Man, I freakin HATE having to defend Tebow...........

Hold on for a moment and think. Lets use Michael Vick while he was a collegiate athlete, or even Dennis Dixon before his injury. Now imagine either one of those players surrounded with the talent of Tebow, whom mind you is second to none, and then imagine the numbers they'd rack up if they carried the ball 20 or 25 plus times in a single game. It'd be crazy. He's doing something I expect any multi-talented QB to do when the offense is totally composed around him. The passing game? Tebow. The running game? Tebow. You can't tell me the offense wouldn't be better giving Percy Harvin, Jared Fayson, or any of the many top collegiate athletes we possess. We put a lot of stock in these players, let em do what they do best. Make plays. Other than the defense, I think the fact that our offense was totally focused on Tebow is the reason we lost the 4 games we lost.

Like I said, Tebow's great, but he's far from the greatest player in the nation. In fact as a passer, I'd take Stafford over him. Not because Staffords a better player because he isn't, but he is a better passer.

BTW, I'm not an Arky fan or troll or anything along those lines. I just happen to have an opinion outside the norm.

[NextYearIsHere]

I said Tebow. He's a good player, he's a play-maker, and i wish to hell he was on my team, but he is not the "2nd coming". He is a very good player that has the team and play calling around him to make him great. You stick almost any decent QB with a similar style into his place and he will become a much better player. I think others have been better players than he but they had less to work with, and fewer hurtles to overcome. no knocking the kid though, he has alot of talent and he keeps his nose clean

[GatorHunter]

I said Tebow. He's a good player, he's a play-maker, and i wish to hell he was on my team, but he is not the "2nd coming". He is a very good player that has the team and play calling around him to make him great. You stick almost any decent QB with a similar style into his place and he will become a much better player. I think others have been better players than he but they had less to work with, and fewer hurtles to overcome. no knocking the kid though, he has alot of talent and he keeps his nose clean

I don't know...Chris Leak was far better than a "decent QB" and he didn't flourish with the same players.

[reese]

i just want to say that ppl who are saying moreno is overrated are all functionally retarded. i could sit here an explain why but if u think that already then ur do not have the good sense to understand what im saying anyway.

[Dream]

I don't know...Chris Leak was far better than a "decent QB" and he didn't flourish with the same players.

Different players, slightly. Chris might not have had the numbers, but he has the ring. Tebow can't say the same, and we can talk about the defense all you like but If I recall correctly, against Michigan the defense caused 3 turnovers yet we still came away with an L. Tebow also had 3 more losses than Chris had a year earlier. Numbers aren't everything, especially when there's a story behind the numbers.

[jthomas666]

Different players, slightly. Chris might not have had the numbers, but he has the ring. Tebow can't say the same, and we can talk about the defense all you like but If I recall correctly, against Michigan the defense caused 3 turnovers yet we still came away with an L. Tebow also had 3 more losses than Chris had a year earlier. Numbers aren't everything, especially when there's a story behind the numbers.Uh, yes, Tebow has the ring; he played on the NC team, he just wasn't the starter. And why the hell am I having to tell this to a Florida fan?

[Dream]

Uh, yes, Tebow has the ring; he played on the NC team, he just wasn't the starter. And why the hell am I having to tell this to a Florida fan?

Im talking about as a Starting QB. I apologize for not making that clear. Didn't think I would have to.

[crusse10]

i just want to say that ppl who are saying moreno is overrated are all functionally retarded. i could sit here an explain why but if u think that already then ur do not have the good sense to understand what im saying anyway.
I think that you misunderstand what the definition of the word "overrated" is.
Overrate: (verb) to rate or appraise too highly; overestimate
That is the epitome of what Georgia fans are doing. They are praising him too much. He is still just a sophomore. Many people have the same level of talent as Moreno, but their fan bases don't make that player into the 2nd coming of Herschel like ya'll are. Give the kid some time. Allow him to mature and actually be consistently good enough to where you can say that he really is that damn good. Half a year as a starter when teams didn't even fully know about him isn't enough to warrant calling him Herschel Walker. Hell, when Peyton took over as the starter as a freshman, even we didn't act like you are with Moreno. Sure he was great, but we weren't gonna say he was the next Heath Shuler, but we did think he'd be good. It turns out that he's possibly the best Quarterback to ever play football. The point is that just because someone has a good half of a freshman campaign doesn't mean that you should make him out to be the second coming.
We all thought that LaMarcus Coker would be the next great RB to wear the Orange and White, and now he's no longer in school. Same thing with James Banks. That kid was the next great WR to come out of WRU. Once their head gets too big, their production falls til they're gone.
Watch out, Moreno could still be a bust.

[crusse10]

I don't know...Chris Leak was far better than a "decent QB" and he didn't flourish with the same players.

Leak was no more than decent...you're gonna need to take off the gator glasses

[gatorunvrsty]

Leak was no more than decent...you're gonna need to take off the gator glasses

You're actually agreeing with GH. What he's saying is that Leak didn't have the numbers that Tebow had, even though he had the best playmakers around, too. Tebow is a far more competent QB, and is on pace to break every significant QB record at UF... well, at least the ones he hasn't already broken. He may even break most of them in 3 seasons, while Leak and Wuerffel both played 4.

As for Dream's contention that UM did anything more than beat up on a lousy defense: He's right, there's more to the story than just numbers; but, the fact of the matter is that the numbers I posted don't lie. They never do. tOSU from the previous year was much better than UM this year. The Buckeye offense was considerably better than UM's, and we held them to 82 total yards... 82! 35 yards passing and 47 yards rushing from the #1 team says a lot about the opposing team's defense. Then, we lost 9 of 11 starters from that defense; and we got 524 total yards rolled up on us by a team far inferior to the Buckeyes of the year before. Period... end of story.

The ONLY difference between this year and last was not being able to stop UM from scoring. I don't care how many turnovers you have; if your secondary gives up 373 yards passing to a team bad enough to lose to App. State, you have some issues on defense. The offense was business as usual. Obviously, all our playmakers were on offense; and that's why Meyer went after the defensive players he did this year... to address the obvious needs. Don't take my word for it... take Meyer's. He's said repeatedly that we needed to shore up our weak link, and that was our secondary. Believe it or not, our rush defense was the best in the SEC; but our pass defense was dead last, and our pass efficiency defense was next to last. We led the SEC in scoring offense, total offense, pass efficiency, 4th in pass offense, 3rd in rush offense. Those are the facts; and those numbers, as usual, tell a true story. What story? Our secondary cost us at least 3 of the 4 games we lost last season. 2007 SEC Football - Leaders (http://www.secsports.com/new/sports/fbc/07stats/confldrs.htm)

[zartan]

You're actually agreeing with GH. What he's saying is that Leak didn't have the numbers that Tebow had, even though he had the best playmakers around, too. Tebow is a far more competent QB, and is on pace to break every significant QB record at UF... well, at least the ones he hasn't already broken. He may even break most of them in 3 seasons, while Leak and Wuerffel both played 4.

As for Dream's contention that UM did anything more than beat up on a lousy defense: He's right, there's more to the story than just numbers; but, the fact of the matter is that the numbers I posted don't lie. They never do. tOSU from the previous year was much better than UM this year. The Buckeye offense was considerably better than UM's, and we held them to 82 total yards... 82! 35 yards passing and 47 yards rushing from the #1 team says a lot about the opposing team's defense. Then, we lost 9 of 11 starters from that defense; and we got 524 total yards rolled up on us by a team far inferior to the Buckeyes of the year before. Period... end of story.

The ONLY difference between this year and last was not being able to stop UM from scoring. I don't care how many turnovers you have; if your secondary gives up 373 yards passing to a team bad enough to lose to App. State, you have some issues on defense. The offense was business as usual. Obviously, all our playmakers were on offense; and that's why Meyer went after the defensive players he did this year... to address the obvious needs. Don't take my word for it... take Meyer's. He's said repeatedly that we needed to shore up our weak link, and that was our secondary. Believe it or not, our rush defense was the best in the SEC; but our pass defense was dead last, and our pass efficiency defense was next to last. We led the SEC in scoring offense, total offense, pass efficiency, 4th in pass offense, 3rd in rush offense. Those are the facts; and those numbers, as usual, tell a true story. What story? Our secondary cost us at least 3 of the 4 games we lost last season. 2007 SEC Football - Leaders (http://www.secsports.com/new/sports/fbc/07stats/confldrs.htm)
i just had a horrible thought: a UF/tOSU NC game is not entirely impossible this year. lord spare us!

[GatorHunter]

Different players, slightly. Chris might not have had the numbers, but he has the ring. Tebow can't say the same, and we can talk about the defense all you like but If I recall correctly, against Michigan the defense caused 3 turnovers yet we still came away with an L. Tebow also had 3 more losses than Chris had a year earlier. Numbers aren't everything, especially when there's a story behind the numbers.

Dude...you are "Dream-in"...the only player Leak had that Tebow didn't was Dallas Baker. And the reason Leak won a NC is because of defense...he sure as heck didn't come close to having the 3rd down conversion ratio that Tebow did...and wasn't near the offensive threat. Give Tebow the '06 Gator defense to work with in '07...heck, give Tebow RFN and the Gators likely win the NC.

[Dream]

You're actually agreeing with GH. What he's saying is that Leak didn't have the numbers that Tebow had, even though he had the best playmakers around, too. Tebow is a far more competent QB, and is on pace to break every significant QB record at UF... well, at least the ones he hasn't already broken. He may even break most of them in 3 seasons, while Leak and Wuerffel both played 4.

As for Dream's contention that UM did anything more than beat up on a lousy defense: He's right, there's more to the story than just numbers; but, the fact of the matter is that the numbers I posted don't lie. They never do. tOSU from the previous year was much better than UM this year. The Buckeye offense was considerably better than UM's, and we held them to 82 total yards... 82! 35 yards passing and 47 yards rushing from the #1 team says a lot about the opposing team's defense. Then, we lost 9 of 11 starters from that defense; and we got 524 total yards rolled up on us by a team far inferior to the Buckeyes of the year before. Period... end of story.

The ONLY difference between this year and last was not being able to stop UM from scoring. I don't care how many turnovers you have; if your secondary gives up 373 yards passing to a team bad enough to lose to App. State, you have some issues on defense. The offense was business as usual. Obviously, all our playmakers were on offense; and that's why Meyer went after the defensive players he did this year... to address the obvious needs. Don't take my word for it... take Meyer's. He's said repeatedly that we needed to shore up our weak link, and that was our secondary. Believe it or not, our rush defense was the best in the SEC; but our pass defense was dead last, and our pass efficiency defense was next to last. We led the SEC in scoring offense, total offense, pass efficiency, 4th in pass offense, 3rd in rush offense. Those are the facts; and those numbers, as usual, tell a true story. What story? Our secondary cost us at least 3 of the 4 games we lost last season. 2007 SEC Football - Leaders (http://www.secsports.com/new/sports/fbc/07stats/confldrs.htm)

The only number that actually maters is that 12-1 compared to that 9-4. Like I said it wasn't entirely our defenses fault that we won the national championship in 06-07. Our offense put up points, and Chris leak was remarkable in that national title game. I'm sorry but Tebow's overrated and it's a shame that our offense it composed entirely around him. Yes he's good but he's far from the best. He's an average passer surrounded by outstanding talent, with decent running ability. You may not want to admit it, but his numbers were great in large part due to the players around him. As I said, he's good, but he's not the best. They robbed Darren Mcfadden of the Heisman, and any SEC fan should be able to admit that.

[GatorHunter]

The only number that actually maters is that 12-1 compared to that 9-4.

Actually, Leak's first season as a starter he went 7-5...so, if that's all that "matters"...then Tebow gets the nod.:)

Like I said it wasn't entirely our defenses fault that we won the national championship in 06-07. Our offense put up points, and Chris leak was remarkable in that national title game.

You're kidding, right? The '06 Gator offense scored at a snails pace...if it wasn't for the defense, we wouldn't have won the SEC much less the NC. As far as Leak's performance in the BCS NC Game...how hard is it to throw to wide-open WRs? And Tebow threw one of the TDs...and ran one. Look, I'm not disparaging Leak...but without Tebow...Florida doesn't play for the NC in '06.

I'm sorry but Tebow's overrated and it's a shame that our offense it composed entirely around him. Yes he's good but he's far from the best. He's an average passer surrounded by outstanding talent, with decent running ability. You may not want to admit it, but his numbers were great in large part due to the players around him. As I said, he's good, but he's not the best.

Tebow won the Heisman...no matter how you choose to belittle his accomplishments, the rest of the world doesn't agree.

They robbed Darren Mcfadden of the Heisman, and any SEC fan should be able to admit that.

This is the second time in the same thread that you've mentioned McFadden getting robbed for the Heisman...no fan of a team would say or even think this...you're obviously a Hog fan or some other rival incognito, so why not come out of the closet.:lol:

[Dream]

Actually, Leak's first season as a starter he went 7-5...so, if that's all that "matters"...then Tebow gets the nod.:)



You're kidding, right? The '06 Gator offense scored at a snails pace...if it wasn't for the defense, we wouldn't have won the SEC much less the NC. As far as Leak's performance in the BCS NC Game...how hard is it to throw to wide-open WRs? And Tebow threw one of the TDs...and ran one. Look, I'm not disparaging Leak...but without Tebow...Florida doesn't play for the NC in '06.



Tebow won the Heisman...no matter how you choose to belittle his accomplishments, the rest of the world doesn't agree.



This is the second time in the same thread that you've mentioned McFadden getting robbed for the Heisman...no fan of a team would say or even think this...you're obviously a Hog fan or some other rival incognito, so why not come out of the closet.:lol:

No, actually it doesn't. When we look back on Leak's career we're going to recognize the national championship he won, and how the following year his teams production drastically decreased in the win columns.

It's obviously hard for Tebow. I haven't once seen the man take over a game with only his passing ability, reading and picking apart defenses to win a game. I have however seen him fail at clutch attempts to bring his team a win. Auburn, LSU, and Michigan come to mind.

Without tebow we wouldn't have won the NC in 06-07? That's hysterical.

Time will tell. Time will tell.

How did he not? the man was remarkable, and literally carried a lackluster team, and he's done so since he was a freshman. Oh, and it wasn't just the piss poor teams he was rolling over, it was everybody. being a fan of a team isn't going to blind me from the truth. Darren Mcfadden was hands down the best player in the nation.

[reese]

I think that Moreno is the most overrated player in the SEC.
Georgia fans are already saying that a sophomore is the best running back the school has had in 10 years. That's close to the highest rating fans can give a player on their team.

he is the best we have had over the last 10 years... who has been better? not olandis gary, milton, t. brown, lumpkin, or ware? none of those guys are as good as moreno. this past season he accounted for more yards then anyback at uga in the last 10 years. mabe farther back then that.

I think that Moreno took the SEC by storm, but the storm has subsided. I think he will turn into just your run-of-the-mill SEC running back.



how many times did u see him play? just the UT game? i doubt very much that anyone that seen him play more then once would call him run of the mill.

I think that you misunderstand what the definition of the word "overrated" is.
Overrate: (verb) to rate or appraise too highly; overestimate
That is the epitome of what Georgia fans are doing. They are praising him too much. He is still just a sophomore. Many people have the same level of talent as Moreno, but their fan bases don't make that player into the 2nd coming of Herschel like ya'll are. Give the kid some time. Allow him to mature and actually be consistently good enough to where you can say that he really is that damn good. Half a year as a starter when teams didn't even fully know about him isn't enough to warrant calling him Herschel Walker. Hell, when Peyton took over as the starter as a freshman, even we didn't act like you are with Moreno. Sure he was great, but we weren't gonna say he was the next Heath Shuler, but we did think he'd be good. It turns out that he's possibly the best Quarterback to ever play football. The point is that just because someone has a good half of a freshman campaign doesn't mean that you should make him out to be the second coming.
We all thought that LaMarcus Coker would be the next great RB to wear the Orange and White, and now he's no longer in school. Same thing with James Banks. That kid was the next great WR to come out of WRU. Once their head gets too big, their production falls til they're gone.
Watch out, Moreno could still be a bust.

dont associate pot-head criminals that get kicked out of school to a guy like moreno who has not been in trouble.

and of course ppl are saying he is the best since hershal. he had the best freshman season of ANY RB in the SEC since HW. Dmac included. he past guys like dmac, jamal lewis and emmitt smith on the all time list for freshman and none of those guys turned out to be run of the mill.

and this is all besides the fact that he has done nuthin to show he would be overrated. he has yet to produce when called upon. there hasnt been a game where he was supposed to run wild and he didnt. he wasnt supposed to be able to run on auburn's No.1 D last year and he did.

and u just dont kno what ur talkin about if u think he snuck up on florida. he hadnt started till then but had played in every game and had already made plenty of plays. UF knew he was starting that game and knew he was the only back they had to gameplan for since brown and lumpkin were hurt. not to mention the fact that he was leading ugain rushing going into the game. u obviously didnt watch the game or else u would kno it wasnt a scheme thing that ushered him to 188 yards and 3 tds, florida just couldnt tackle him.

[GatorHunter]

No, actually it doesn't. When we look back on Leak's career we're going to recognize the national championship he won, and how the following year his teams production drastically decreased in the win columns.

It's obviously hard for Tebow. I haven't once seen the man take over a game with only his passing ability, reading and picking apart defenses to win a game. I have however seen him fail at clutch attempts to bring his team a win. Auburn, LSU, and Michigan come to mind.

Without tebow we wouldn't have won the NC in 06-07? That's hysterical.

Time will tell. Time will tell.

How did he not? the man was remarkable, and literally carried a lackluster team, and he's done so since he was a freshman. Oh, and it wasn't just the piss poor teams he was rolling over, it was everybody. being a fan of a team isn't going to blind me from the truth. Darren Mcfadden was hands down the best player in the nation.

Yea...OK.:wacko: You're right...and everyone else in America is wrong.

[crusse10]

he is the best we have had over the last 10 years... who has been better? not olandis gary, milton, t. brown, lumpkin, or ware? none of those guys are as good as moreno. this past season he accounted for more yards then anyback at uga in the last 10 years. mabe farther back then that.


how many times did u see him play? just the UT game? i doubt very much that anyone that seen him play more then once would call him run of the mill.



dont associate pot-head criminals that get kicked out of school to a guy like moreno who has not been in trouble.

and of course ppl are saying he is the best since hershal. he had the best freshman season of ANY RB in the SEC since HW. Dmac included. he past guys like dmac, jamal lewis and emmitt smith on the all time list for freshman and none of those guys turned out to be run of the mill.

and this is all besides the fact that he has done nuthin to show he would be overrated. he has yet to produce when called upon. there hasnt been a game where he was supposed to run wild and he didnt. he wasnt supposed to be able to run on auburn's No.1 D last year and he did.

and u just dont kno what ur talkin about if u think he snuck up on florida. he hadnt started till then but had played in every game and had already made plenty of plays. UF knew he was starting that game and knew he was the only back they had to gameplan for since brown and lumpkin were hurt. not to mention the fact that he was leading ugain rushing going into the game. u obviously didnt watch the game or else u would kno it wasnt a scheme thing that ushered him to 188 yards and 3 tds, florida just couldnt tackle him.

how bout you play coach really quick.
say you are a choach of a great team, but not quite the best defense. you've got a team coming at you with it's starting qb, good te's, and good wr's. you've also got them on their 3rd string rb, who happens to be a freshman. sure that freshman lit up vanderbilt, but come on, it's vandy.

with the amount of time you have, you can gameplan around the passing game, which you aren't good at, or the running game which you are already pretty decent at.

you're gonna go after the passing game in your gameplan. you're gonna force this first-time freshman starter to beat you, and because he's a good back, he ends up doing that.

i think moreno snuck up on the first few teams they played, but after a year in the sec, i don't think he will be as amazing as he is made out to be.

notice how i've never said he wasn't good. i've said many times he's great. when i said run-of-the-mill, i didn't mean the lower end, i meant the higher end. i just don't call him the 2nd coming yet.

[crusse10]

Tebow won the Heisman...no matter how you choose to belittle his accomplishments, the rest of the world doesn't agree.

Not quite true. Only the majority of the heisman voters agree with you. the rest you're just guessing.

[reese]

how bout you play coach really quick.
say you are a choach of a great team, but not quite the best defense. you've got a team coming at you with it's starting qb, good te's, and good wr's. you've also got them on their 3rd string rb, who happens to be a freshman. sure that freshman lit up vanderbilt, but come on, it's vandy.

with the amount of time you have, you can gameplan around the passing game, which you aren't good at, or the running game which you are already pretty decent at.

you're gonna go after the passing game in your gameplan. you're gonna force this first-time freshman starter to beat you, and because he's a good back, he ends up doing that.

i think moreno snuck up on the first few teams they played, but after a year in the sec, i don't think he will be as amazing as he is made out to be.

notice how i've never said he wasn't good. i've said many times he's great. when i said run-of-the-mill, i didn't mean the lower end, i meant the higher end. i just don't call him the 2nd coming yet.


sounds good in theroy but when playing uga, u kno u have to stop the run. going into the florida game moreno was the only consitant playmaker on the team so no matter how u try to spin florida knew what they needed to stop and couldnt. like i said u probley did not watch the game. florida was ready for the run and just couldnt tackle the guy. he broke tackle after tackle. it hadnt nuthin to do with suprise.

[GatorHunter]

Not quite true. Only the majority of the heisman voters agree with you. the rest you're just guessing.

But they're the ones that count.:thumbs:

[WDavE]

Where I would Tebow the most credit is in his running. Florida last year had two running threats. Tebow and Harvin.

Like it was mentioned above: Who didn't know who was getting the ball and we all had trouble stopping him. The new RB (Moody sp) should help.....

Is there a big difference about over-rated and being over-hyped? Tebow is not in my mind over-rated. Over-hyped some? Maybe!

Why was Burns even listed in this poll? Drop Burns and add John Parker. He had more hype with very few results so far.....

[GeauxTo]

Perrilloux will overshadow both Tebow and Stafford in 2008. Kodi Burns, JPW, etal, are not even in the same category. Laugh now, because once RP takes the field, it will be too late.

[Bburton86]

You better worry about keeping him out of trouble.

[volimhtown]

Why was Burns even listed in this poll? Drop Burns and add John Parker. He had more hype with very few results so far.....

Yeah... I was going to say!! What has Burns done that he could be considered overrated?? I had to read deep in the thread just to see who he was and who he played for!! :laugh:

[gatorunvrsty]

Not quite true. Only the majority of the heisman voters agree with you. the rest you're just guessing.

Well, this is really the only opinion that matters:

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc12/g8r8u2/TheVote.jpg?t=1206743194

But, to be really honest, probably a much greater percentage of non-voters thought Tebow was the best player in the nation than voters. There's no telling how many voters didn't pick Tebow just because of his sophomore status. Before the tally, "experts" droned on and on about hearing from several voters who wouldn't vote for an underclassman, no matter who he was or what his stats and accomplishments looked like.

[sheluvsbama]

Tebow and his obvious talent managed to prevail over difficult odds. He got the majority of the votes despite it all, and the kid deserved it.

[BAMAPERRY]

I would take Tebow over any other QB in the SEC. No doubt.

[GatorHunter]

Where I would Tebow the most credit is in his running. Florida last year had two running threats. Tebow and Harvin.

Like it was mentioned above: Who didn't know who was getting the ball and we all had trouble stopping him. The new RB (Moody sp) should help.....

Agreed...Tebow's running ability put him over the top...but don't forget, he led the SEC in Passing Eff....heck, he was 2nd in the Nation.

Is there a big difference about over-rated and being over-hyped? Tebow is not in my mind over-rated. Over-hyped some? Maybe!

I think both words are synonymous...however, calling Tebow...the first sophomore to ever win the Heisman, over-rated or over-hyped is ridiculous. Anyone that watched the Gators play every game will tell you that Tebow showed up for every game...injured or not. He put the Gators in position to win every game this past season...a weak defense just couldn't be overcome.

[tecmsu06]

overrated? none of these. Kodi and RP haven't really played enough, and I suspect both of them are going to be great. (Perilloux has already shown he can play)

[crusse10]

I will say this now, I am almost positive that Tebow will NOT win the 2008-9 Heisman Trophy.
With the arrival of Moody, the Gators will have a true RUNNING BACK threat. They won't have to run a QB nor WR as a running back. The rushing is what won Tebow the Heisman. Florida fans, debate whatever you want, you know that's true. Yes, Tebow had a great completion percentage, so don't waste your fingers, because I know that. Tell me really quick, how easy is it to throw to a WR when the DB has to bite on the run because of the run threat? His completion percentage is inflated because of the ease of getting open receivers due to his legs.
When Moody is in the backfield, the brunt of the carries will go to him and the other backs, which will take away all of what Tebow used to win the Heisman in 07. Without the running stats, he's just your run-of-the-mill good QB. True, he can run, but Meyer will run Tebow much less, which will lower his stats by a lot (both yardage and touchdowns).
If Meyer runs Tebow just like he did last year (meaning Moody doesn't work out and they go back to Tebow and his backup Gators), Tebow will get injured. No person is made to take as many hits as a running back, coupled with the BRUTAL blindside hits that QBs take. His body will wear down, no matter how much practice it takes. I'm sorry that I'm calling him human, but he's no god. If Tebow has to run all the time, he will still get the stats, cause he's a great two-dimensional player. The problem is that his body will wear out, and he'll get hurt. Look at the game he played with the shoulder injury. 13 rushes for -15 yards will not win the greatest player EVER a Heisman.
Either Tebow loses the Heisman because of injury, or because of his deflated stats due to an actual run game. On throwing alone, Tebow will NOT win another Heisman.

(that doesn't mean as a senior he won't win it either, just his junior year)

[reese]

wow crusse10, in one thread u manage to call 2 of the best players in the SEC "run of the mill" players at there position. between those 2 guys(tebow and moreno) they have won.....

Walter Camp Foundation National Offensive Player of the Week
Southeastern Conference Offensive Player of the Week, three times
Davey O'Brien Award winner
Heisman Trophy winner.
Maxwell Award winner
Walter Camp Award finalist
ESPN The Magazine Academic All-American football team
Manning Award finalist
Rivals.com National Offensive Player of the Year
Rivals.com SEC Offensive Player of the Year
Rivals.com First Team All-SEC
First Team All-SEC Coaches Conference football team
Associated Press SEC Offensive Player of the Year
Associated Press All-SEC First Team
Associated Press Player of the Year
Listed as an All-American by: Associated Press, Football Writers Association of America, Walter Camp Football Foundation, Sporting News, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, CBS Sports, College Football News, Rivals.com, and Scout.com
2-time SEC Freshman of the week
SEC Freshman of the Year
Rivals.com Freshman All-American first team
AP Freshman All-American first team
All-SEC first team
SEC All-Freshman team
Sporting News' Freshman Offensive Player of the Year.


if they can do all that but are just "run of the mill", then what in ur eyes does it take to be good?

[bigtreydaddy]

Brent Schaeffer (lol)

[zorak34]

Wow this is an outrageously stupid poll! For one Burns is not even the starter yet he battling it out with Chris Todd whom I think is a better passer than Burns is. So why the hell is Burns on this list?!?!?!?!

[uscrules]

This is really a dumb poll. Tebow is not overated. He is the best QB in the SEC and one of the best in the nation. He has proven he is all of that. That is his rating and he is all that. Not overated.
Stafford is the second best QB in the SEC very dependable, very durable, and has a stong arm. Is he overated? No He is just what I precieve him to be. A solid qb that won't lose you games, but will win for you.
Ryan Perrilloux, has played a lot of games. Has been a starter for LSU and and I don't see him as anything outstanding in the passing game of which is is not considered to be. He is very capable of playing very well and leading his team, but at the present he is not considered to be one of the elite QB's in the SEC, although he could become that. He has never been considered in the same mold as Tebow. Is he overrated? Absolutely not.
As far as Burns, how can he be overrated? He hasn't played enough to be overated, underated or even rated.
So as you can see, I don't think any of the 4 are overated.

[crusse10]

wow crusse10, in one thread u manage to call 2 of the best players in the SEC "run of the mill" players at there position. between those 2 guys(tebow and moreno) they have won.....

Walter Camp Foundation National Offensive Player of the Week
Southeastern Conference Offensive Player of the Week, three times
Davey O'Brien Award winner
Heisman Trophy winner.
Maxwell Award winner
Walter Camp Award finalist
ESPN The Magazine Academic All-American football team
Manning Award finalist
Rivals.com National Offensive Player of the Year
Rivals.com SEC Offensive Player of the Year
Rivals.com First Team All-SEC
First Team All-SEC Coaches Conference football team
Associated Press SEC Offensive Player of the Year
Associated Press All-SEC First Team
Associated Press Player of the Year
Listed as an All-American by: Associated Press, Football Writers Association of America, Walter Camp Football Foundation, Sporting News, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, CBS Sports, College Football News, Rivals.com, and Scout.com
2-time SEC Freshman of the week
SEC Freshman of the Year
Rivals.com Freshman All-American first team
AP Freshman All-American first team
All-SEC first team
SEC All-Freshman team
Sporting News' Freshman Offensive Player of the Year.


if they can do all that but are just "run of the mill", then what in ur eyes does it take to be good?

All that about Tebow means nothing to me, because, like I said, I meant on his passing alone. His running is what makes him a star. If he were a PURE passer, he would have been nothing more than a normal SEC quarterback.

Go ahead and prove me wrong. Tell me how he would have fared without 15-25 runs a game. The defenses would have been swarming. As a dual-threat, he's great. Maybe if you read all of what I typed the 1st time, you'd have seen that I said that...

If Tebow has to run all the time, he will still get the stats, cause he's a great two-dimensional player.

And about Moreno, I also have said he was great...many times in fact. As a freshman, he was a phenom, definitely. I didn't say he WAS run-of-the-mill. I said after the SEC defenses took to heart what he did last year with gametape, he would be run-of-the-mill.
I think that Moreno took the SEC by storm, but the storm has subsided. I think he will turn into just your run-of-the-mill SEC running back.

If you're gonna quote and attack, know what you're talking about first.

Thanks.

[crimsonnation713]

i just want to say that ppl who are saying moreno is overrated are all functionally retarded. i could sit here an explain why but if u think that already then ur do not have the good sense to understand what im saying anyway.

Moreno is the real deal. The ones that think he is are making me believe that SECTalk needs a drug rehab program.

[reese]

All that about Tebow means nothing to me, because, like I said, I meant on his passing alone. His running is what makes him a star. If he were a PURE passer, he would have been nothing more than a normal SEC quarterback.

Go ahead and prove me wrong. Tell me how he would have fared without 15-25 runs a game. The defenses would have been swarming. As a dual-threat, he's great. Maybe if you read all of what I typed the 1st time, you'd have seen that I said that...



And about Moreno, I also have said he was great...many times in fact. As a freshman, he was a phenom, definitely. I didn't say he WAS run-of-the-mill. I said after the SEC defenses took to heart what he did last year with gametape, he would be run-of-the-mill.


If you're gonna quote and attack, know what you're talking about first.

Thanks.

oh my bad u called them run of the mill based on the "what if" factor.

what if tebow didnt run?
what if defenses were ready for moreno?

great logic

[crusse10]

oh, I seem to remember a defense that shut him down pretty effectively. when other D's are ready, they'll do the same thing.

[reese]

oh, I seem to remember a defense that shut him down pretty effectively. when other D's are ready, they'll do the same thing.

oh ok...so he is overrated becuz he had 1 bad game. and i guess u think its becuz UT's coaches were the only ones all season that were smart enuf to be ready for moreno. the rest of the season the coaches were all stupid and did not kno who moreno was so thats why he was good. so according to u, next year all the SEC coaches will become as smart as UT's and will shut him down and then he will be "run of the mill"

if u think all that then ur too ignorant to argue with and i guess we will just have to wait and see.

[BamaFanNKy]

I really don't have a favorite team in the SEC. I love Georgia and I Love Florida. However a believe without a shadow of a doubt that Tim Tebow is the most overrated player in the SEC, and possibly the Nation. Great player? Yes. Loads of Talent? No doubt. Best player in the Nation? Hell no. Yes he had wonderful numbers, but a year before, so did Colt Brennan. We've seen how that turned out. IMO, Tebow's an average passer, and gets to much credit for his running ability when the vast majority of his touchdowns came from within 10 yards of the goal line. They'd give it to one of the many blazers on the field, they'd get in the red zone, and you'd see multiple carries from Tebow until he scored. Rinse and repeat. Any QB with that many carries within the red zone could produce similar numbers. I'm sorry, he's good, but he;s overrated. BTW, Darren Mcfadden was robbed of the Heisman. The impact he had on a sub par team was remarkable.

This guy acts like a UF fan and he blasts Tebow and says he's both a UGA and UF fan?

I must be sobering up because this sounds like someone who is a bandwagon fan.