a different rank your starters

[reese]

rank your starters based on ability from 1-10. use this as a scale...

10- potential all-american
8-9..potential all -sec
7..solid starter
6..slightly above avg
4-5..avg
3..would be good depth but not a starter
2..shouldnt be playing
1...shouldnt be on the team
0...take his scholly and force hm to transfer to a sun belt conference team to be there water boy

[reese]

the D

DE-rod battle..7
DT-jeff owens..7
DT-geno atkins..8
OLB-rennie curran..9
MLB-dannell elerbee..9
CB-prince miller..7
CB-asher allen..7
FS-cj byrd..7
SS-reshad jones..9

i left out a DE and LB but those spots are still up in the air.

the O

QB-matt stafford..8
FB-brandon sutherland..9
RB-knowshon moreno..10
TE-tripp chandler..7
OT-trinton sturnivant..7
OG-clint boiling..7
OG-chris davis..7
WR-momass..7

[Nate]

Based off of Alabama's current depth chart on BOL

QB- John Parker Wilson 6
RB- Glen Coffee 7
FB- Barron Huber 4
WR- Mike McCoy 7
WR- Nikita Stover 7
TE- Travis McCall 7
OT- Andre Smith 10
OG- Marlon Davis 8
C- Antoine Caldwell 9
OG- Mike Johnson 7
OT- Taylor Pharr 6.5

DE- Bobby Greenwood 6
DT- Lorenzo Washington 7
DE- Brandon Deaderick 7
Jack- Chavis Williams 6.5
OLB- Cory Reamer 6
MLB- Rolando McClain 8
MLB- Jimmy Johns 6.5
CB- Kareem Jackson 8
CB- Javier Arenas 7
S- Rashad Johnson 8
S- Justin Woodall 6.5

sidenote: i have some players listed as a 6.5 because they could very well be solid starters they just don't have enough experience to be listed as such

[shanksta13]

Offense
QB - Tim Tebow - 10
RB - Emmanuel Moody - 10
WR - Percy Harvin - 10
WR - Carl Moore - 8
WR - Louis Murphy - 7
TE - Cornelius Ingram - 10
OT - Phil Trautwein - 9
OG - Jim Tartt - 8
C - Carl Johnson - 5
OG - Maurkice Pouncey - 7
OT - Maurice Gilbert - 6

Defense
DE - Jermaine Cunningham - 8
DT - John Brown - 7
DT - Torrey Davis - 6
DE - Justin Trattou - 6
OLB - AJ Jones - 3
MLB - Brandon Spikes - 10
OLB - Dustin Doe - 8
CB - Joe Haden - 7
S - Major Wright - 9
S - Jamar Hornsby - 6
CB - Wondy Pierre-Louis - 6

[GatorHunter]

Offense
QB - Tim Tebow - 10
RB - Emmanuel Moody - 10
WR - Percy Harvin - 10
WR - Carl Moore - 8
WR - Louis Murphy - 7
TE - Cornelius Ingram - 10
OT - Phil Trautwein - 9
OG - Jim Tartt - 8
C - Carl Johnson - 5
OG - Maurkice Pouncey - 7
OT - Maurice Gilbert - 6

Defense
DE - Jermaine Cunningham - 8
DT - John Brown - 7
DT - Torrey Davis - 6
DE - Justin Trattou - 6
OLB - AJ Jones - 3
MLB - Brandon Spikes - 10
OLB - Dustin Doe - 8
CB - Joe Haden - 7
S - Major Wright - 9
S - Jamar Hornsby - 6
CB - Wondy Pierre-Louis - 6

Wow, Shank...I think you pretty much nailed it. I would say Murphy is more 8-9...he's got All-SEC/AA type ability and really turned it on at the end of the season last year...that catch vs f$u sold me. Cunningham is another that I would probably go with a 9...he's gonna be rough on QBs. AJ Jones is probably the one we differ the most. He's "light" and needs experience...but his speed is what makes him so dangerous on defense...I would probably go with a 5-6 on him...although, if he is too green this Spring...one of the incoming freshman could take his spot, so...you're likely right. Man...if our defense shows a little improvement next season...the Gators are gonna be hard to beat.

[Sabanocchio]

Offense
QB - Jonathan Crompton - 7 (for now)
RB - Arian Foster - 9
WR - Lucas Taylor - 8
WR - Austin Rogers - 6
WR - Josh Briscoe - 6
TE - Brandon Warren - 9
OT - Chris Scott - 7
OG - Anthony Parker - 10
C - Josh McNeil - 9
OG - Jacques McClendon - 8
OT - Ramon Foster - 8

Defense
DE - Robert Ayers - 8
DT - Demonte Bolden - 8
DT - Walter Fisher - 7
DE - Wes Brown - 6
OLB - Rico McCoy - 9
MLB - Elix Wilson - 7
OLB - Adam Myers-White - 7
CB - Marsalous Johnson - 7
S - Eric Berry - 10
S - Demetrice Morley - 9
CB - Brent Vinson - 7

K - Daniel Lincoln - 7
P - Britton Colquitt - 10

[DEHIII]

rank your starters based on ability from 1-10. use this as a scale...

10- potential all-american
8-9..potential all -sec
7..solid starter
6..slightly above avg
4-5..avg
3..would be good depth but not a starter
2..shouldnt be playing
1...shouldnt be on the team
0...take his scholly and force hm to transfer to a sun belt conference team to be there water boy

When you say potential, I say potential for this year. For example, I think R. McClain can be an All SEC player this year. However, I think he has a good shot to be an AA down the road. So my rankings are based upon this year only.

QB- John Parker Wilson 5
RB- Glen Coffee 7
FB- Barron Huber 3
WR- Mike McCoy 7
WR- Nikita Stover 5
TE- Travis McCall 5
OT- Andre Smith 10
OG- Marlon Davis 6
C- Antoine Caldwell 9
OG- Mike Johnson 3
OT- Taylor Pharr 7

DE- Bobby Greenwood 3
DT- Lorenzo Washington 5
DE- Brandon Deaderick 5
Jack- Chavis Williams 4
OLB- Cory Reamer 4
MLB- Rolando McClain 8
MLB- Jimmy Johns 5
CB- Kareem Jackson 9
CB- Javier Arenas 7
S- Rashad Johnson 8
S- Justin Woodall 5

[gatorhater]

Offense
QB - Jonathan Crompton - 7 (for now)
RB - Arian Foster - 9
WR - Lucas Taylor - 8
WR - Austin Rogers - 6
WR - Josh Briscoe - 6
TE - Brandon Warren - 9
OT - Chris Scott - 7
OG - Anthony Parker - 10
C - Josh McNeil - 9
OG - Jacques McClendon - 8
OT - Ramon Foster - 8

Defense
DE - Robert Ayers - 8
DT - Demonte Bolden - 8
DT - Walter Fisher - 7
DE - Wes Brown - 6
OLB - Rico McCoy - 9
MLB - Elix Wilson - 7
OLB - Adam Myers-White - 7
CB - Marsalous Johnson - 7
S - Eric Berry - 10
S - Demetrice Morley - 9
CB - Brent Vinson - 7

K - Daniel Lincoln - 7
P - Dustin Colquitt - 10

Good Lord...how many more Colquitts do you have in the pipeline? They're STILL around?????

[GeauxTo]

QB
No. 11 Ryan Perrilloux , 6'2", 222, Jr. 10


RB
No. 5 Keiland Williams, 5'11", 223, Jr. 9


FB
No. 45 Quinn Johnson, 6'2", 225, Sr 7


TE
No. 82 Richard Dickson, 6'3", 245, Jr. 8


C
No. 74 Brett Helms, 6'4", 300, Sr. 9


RG
No. 62 Lyle Hitt, DT, 6'2", 284, Jr. 8


LG
No. 79 Herman Johnson, 6'7", 335, Sr. 9


LT
No. 70 Ciron Black, 6'5", 315, Jr. 10


RT
No. 96 Joseph Barksdale 6’6”, 315, So. 9


WR
No. 80 Terrance Tolliver, 6'5", 180, So. 9
No. 08 Trindon Holliday, 5'5", 159, Jr 10
No. 1 Brandon Lafell, 6'3", 180, Jr. 10
No. 2 Demetrius Byrd, 6'2, 195, Sr. 10
No. 86 Chris Mitchell, 6'0", 176, Jr. 9

Defense
RE
No. 93 Tyson Jackson, 6'5", 292, Sr. 10


LE
No. 90 Ricky Jean Francois, 6'3", 281, Jr. 10


LT
No. 97 Al Woods, 6'5", 325, Jr. 10


RT
No. 91 Charles Alexander, 6'3", 294, JR 10
No. 99 Marlon Favorite, 6'1", 300, Sr. 9


SAM (OLB)
No. 56 Perry Riley 6'1", 225, So. 7


Mike (MLB)
No. 48 Darry Beckwith, 6'1", 225, Sr. 10


Will (OLB)
No. 11 Kelvin Sheppard, 6'3", 228, Jr. 7


LCB
No. 04 Jai Eugene, 6'0", 175, So. 9


RCB
No. 25 Phelon Jones, 5'11", 195, RSFR 7


SS
No. 03 Chad Jones, 6'3", 222, So. 10


FS
No. 27 Curtis Taylor, 6'4", 195, Sr. 7


Special Teams
PR
No. 9 Chad Jones, 6'3", 222, So. 10
No. 8 Trindon Holliday, 5'5", 159, Jr. 10

KRE
No. 8 Trindon Holliday, 5'5", 159, Jr. 10
No. 31 John Williams, 5'11", 175, Fr. 9


Kickers
No. 6 Colt David, 5'9", 175 8

[shanksta13]

QB
No. 11 Ryan Perrilloux , 6'2", 222, Jr. 10


RB
No. 5 Keiland Williams, 5'11", 223, Jr. 9


FB
No. 45 Quinn Johnson, 6'2", 225, Sr 7


TE
No. 82 Richard Dickson, 6'3", 245, Jr. 8


C
No. 74 Brett Helms, 6'4", 300, Sr. 9


RG
No. 62 Lyle Hitt, DT, 6'2", 284, Jr. 8


LG
No. 79 Herman Johnson, 6'7", 335, Sr. 9


LT
No. 70 Ciron Black, 6'5", 315, Jr. 10


RT
No. 96 Joseph Barksdale 6’6”, 315, So. 9


WR
No. 80 Terrance Tolliver, 6'5", 180, So. 9
No. 08 Trindon Holliday, 5'5", 159, Jr 10
No. 1 Brandon Lafell, 6'3", 180, Jr. 10
No. 2 Demetrius Byrd, 6'2, 195, Sr. 10
No. 86 Chris Mitchell, 6'0", 176, Jr. 9

Defense
RE
No. 93 Tyson Jackson, 6'5", 292, Sr. 10


LE
No. 90 Ricky Jean Francois, 6'3", 281, Jr. 10


LT
No. 97 Al Woods, 6'5", 325, Jr. 10


RT
No. 91 Charles Alexander, 6'3", 294, JR 10
No. 99 Marlon Favorite, 6'1", 300, Sr. 9


SAM (OLB)
No. 56 Perry Riley 6'1", 225, So. 7


Mike (MLB)
No. 48 Darry Beckwith, 6'1", 225, Sr. 10


Will (OLB)
No. 11 Kelvin Sheppard, 6'3", 228, Jr. 7


LCB
No. 04 Jai Eugene, 6'0", 175, So. 9


RCB
No. 25 Phelon Jones, 5'11", 195, RSFR 7


SS
No. 03 Chad Jones, 6'3", 222, So. 10


FS
No. 27 Curtis Taylor, 6'4", 195, Sr. 7


Special Teams
PR
No. 9 Chad Jones, 6'3", 222, So. 10
No. 8 Trindon Holliday, 5'5", 159, Jr. 10

KRE
No. 8 Trindon Holliday, 5'5", 159, Jr. 10
No. 31 John Williams, 5'11", 175, Fr. 9


Kickers
No. 6 Colt David, 5'9", 175 8


Anyone wanna revisit that biggest homer on the board thread? :laugh:

[shanksta13]

I also like how an incoming freshman merits the top-end of the All-SEC ranking from GeauxTo... :laugh:

[GeauxTo]

Anyone wanna revisit that biggest homer on the board thread? :laugh:


Whaaattt???:laugh:

[GeauxTo]

Shank - Wait until Tebow sees this defense! Talk about crying!:D

[NiKka]

Offense
Michael Oher - 10
Reid Neely - 6
Rishaw Johnson - 5
John Jerry - 8
Mo Miller - 7
Jason Cook - 9
Jevan Snead - 7-8
Mike Wallace - 9
Shay Hodge - 7
Dexter McCluster - 7
Cordera Eason - 7

Defense
Greg Hardy - 10
Peria Jerry - 9
Jerrell Powe - 7
Marcus Tillman - 8
Ashlee Palmer - 8
Johnathan Cornell - 6
Tony Fein - 3
Dustin Mouzon - 8
Cassius Vaughn - 6
Johnny Brown - 7
Jamarca Sanford - 8

[shanksta13]

Here's some statistics to give you an idea of just how big of a homer you are Geaux:

Before you posted, there were 10 total players ranked at a level 10. You have 13 on your list alone. Even now, there are only 12 between all the other teams that have been posted. :laugh:

[shanksta13]

Here's some statistics to give you an idea of just how big of a homer you are Geaux:

Before you posted, there were 10 total players ranked at a level 10. You have 13 on your list alone. Even now, there are only 12 between all the other teams that have been posted. :laugh:

LSU is talented, but they aren't that talented. :laugh:

[shanksta13]

Shank - Wait until Tebow sees this defense! Talk about crying!:D

I vaguely remember hearing that last year and Tebow pulling out his "cell phone". Hell, with your vaunted National Championship defense, we were still one stop on 4th down away from beating you guys. :laugh:

[lacene]

Offense:

WR - Kenny McKinley: 10
WR - Dion Lecorn: 8
WR - Moe Brown: 5
LT - Jamon Merideth: 5
LG - Seaver Brown: 5
C - Garrett Anderson: 5
RG - Heath Batchelor: 5
RT - Justin Sorensen: 4
TE - Jared Cook: 8
QB - Chris Smelley: 7
RB - Mike Davis: 7


Defense:

DE - Eric Norwood: 10
DT - Marc Hall: 7
DT - Ladi Ajiboye: 9
DE - Jordin Lindsey: 6
SLB - Cliff Matthews: 8
MLB - Jasper Brinkley: 9
WLB - Rodney Paulk: 7
CB - Carlos Thomas: 7
FS - Darian Stewart: 8
SS - Emanuel Cook: 9
CB - Captain Munnerlyn: 10

Special Teams:

K/P - Ryan Succop: 9

[the Prodigy]

Offense
Luigs, Jonathan center 10
Crawford, London wr 7
Tuck, Crosby wr 7
Love, DeMarcus g 8
Valdez, Jose t 8
Dick, Nathan qb 5
Cleveland, Ben te 8
Williams, Desmond fb 4
Barnett, Brandon rb 7
Smith, Micheal rb 7
Petrus, Mitch g 6
Aguirre, Michael t 7

Defense
Fairchild, Freddie lb 7
Norton, Jerell cb 5
Love, Jamar cb 6
Robinson, Antwain de 7
Davis, Adrian de 6
Forte, Elston s 7
Johnson, Rashaad s 4
Davis, Wendel LB 8
Williams, Desmond LB 5
Sheppard, Malcolm dl 7
Shavers, Marcus dl 6

[the Prodigy]

Offense:

WR - Kenny McKinley: 10
WR - Dion Lecorn: 8
WR - Moe Brown: 5
LT - Jamon Merideth: 6
LG - Seaver Brown: 7
C - Garrett Anderson: 7
RG - Heath Batchelor: 6
RT - Justin Sorensen: 5
TE - Jared Cook: 8
QB - Chris Smelley: 7
RB - Mike Davis: 7


Defense:

DE - Eric Norwood: 10
DT - Marc Hall: 7
DT - Ladi Ajiboye: 9
DE - Jordin Lindsey: 6
SLB - Cliff Matthews: 8
MLB - Jasper Brinkley: 9
WLB - Rodney Paulk: 7
CB - Carlos Thomas: 7
FS - Darian Stewart: 8
SS - Emanuel Cook: 9
CB - Captain Munnerlyn: 10

Special Teams:

K/P - Ryan Succop: 9

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!:laugh::laugh::lau gh::dance:
:crazy::stooges::chair::yelrotflm:icon_rofl:chug:: jestera::lol:

[The Ramp]

Ryan Perrilleux-7
Keiland Williams-8
Quinton Johnson-7
Bret Helms-8
Lyle Hitt-6
Ciron Black-8
Herman Johnson-9
Joseph Barkesdale-NR (1st time starter)
Brandon LeFell-6
Dominique Byrd-8
Richard Dickson-9

Marlin Favorite-8
Tyson Jackson-9
Ricky Jean-Francois-9
Kirston Pittman-7
Derry Beckwith-9
Kelvin Sheppard-6
Shomari Clemons-NR (1st time starter)
Jai Eugene-NR (1st time starter)
Chris Hawkins-NR (1st time starter)
Chad Jones-9
Danny McCray-7

we got some players hurt right now (Charles Alexander and Riley) so this can change by season starts

[cocky07]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!:laugh::laugh::lau gh::dance:
:crazy::stooges::chair::yelrotflm:icon_rofl:chug:: jestera::lol:

Yeah, I know the basketball championship was hilarious...

[lacene]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!:laugh::laugh::lau gh::dance:
:crazy::stooges::chair::yelrotflm:icon_rofl:chug:: jestera::lol:

Actually, you're right, Prodigy. After looking at my rankings again this morning, and reviewing the ranking criteria reese posted, I lowered my rankings across the board for the OL. They have struggled for the better part of 2 seasons now, and until they show they can play to their potential, I can't really rank them any better than average....

[BamaFan425]

Offense
P - Dustin Colquitt - 10
I think Dustin is gonna have a good year punting for the Chiefs too. :p

I assume you meant Britton. But isn't he suspended for the first five games (http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080218/SPORTS0601/802180339/1035/RSS020601)?

[crusse10]

I think Dustin is gonna have a good year punting for the Chiefs too. :p

I assume you meant Britton. But isn't he suspended for the first five games (http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080218/SPORTS0601/802180339/1035/RSS020601)?

Britton for 7 games is still better than anyone you've got ;)

[fernandomike]

Offense
QB - Jonathan Crompton - 7 (for now)
RB - Arian Foster - 9
WR - Lucas Taylor - 8
WR - Austin Rogers - 6
WR - Josh Briscoe - 6
TE - Brandon Warren - 9
OT - Chris Scott - 7
OG - Anthony Parker - 10
C - Josh McNeil - 9
OG - Jacques McClendon - 8
OT - Ramon Foster - 8

Defense
DE - Robert Ayers - 8
DT - Demonte Bolden - 8
DT - Walter Fisher - 7
DE - Wes Brown - 6
OLB - Rico McCoy - 9
MLB - Elix Wilson - 7
OLB - Adam Myers-White - 7
CB - Marsalous Johnson - 7
S - Eric Berry - 10
S - Demetrice Morley - 9
CB - Brent Vinson - 7

K - Daniel Lincoln - 7
P - Dustin Colquitt - 10

Sabs, I almost completely agree. Don't you think Dan Williams will start ahead of Walter Fisher though? I like what the big guy brings to the table and would give him an 8. Obviously, we don't have a problem there with the first-teamers, but our depth is really an issue.

[Zee]

Offense:

WR - Kenny McKinley: 10
WR - Dion Lecorn: 8
WR - Moe Brown: 5
LT - Jamon Merideth: 5
LG - Seaver Brown: 5
C - Garrett Anderson: 5
RG - Heath Batchelor: 5
RT - Justin Sorensen: 4
TE - Jared Cook: 8
QB - Chris Smelley: 7
RB - Mike Davis: 7


Defense:

DE - Eric Norwood: 10
DT - Marc Hall: 7
DT - Ladi Ajiboye: 9
DE - Jordin Lindsey: 6
SLB - Cliff Matthews: 8
MLB - Jasper Brinkley: 9
WLB - Rodney Paulk: 7
CB - Carlos Thomas: 7
FS - Darian Stewart: 8
SS - Emanuel Cook: 9
CB - Captain Munnerlyn: 10

Special Teams:

K/P - Ryan Succop: 9

I disagree with a few of your picks on defense. Jasper Brinkley is the best player on our team and one of if not the best linebackers in the SEC. We all saw what happened when he went down last year. Therefore, Jasper gets a 10 because he truly has the potential to be an all american. The other one I have a problem with is Eric Norwood. I think he is great and all, but I would put him at 9. He played great in several games last year but was MIA in several also. Honestly, Captain and Cook could probably hover around 9-10, but Jasper is my only clear cut 10 on defense.

[BAMAPERRY]

IMO, McClain will be the best LB in the SEC the next two years.

[lacene]

I disagree with a few of your picks on defense. Jasper Brinkley is the best player on our team and one of if not the best linebackers in the SEC. We all saw what happened when he went down last year. Therefore, Jasper gets a 10 because he truly has the potential to be an all american. The other one I have a problem with is Eric Norwood. I think he is great and all, but I would put him at 9. He played great in several games last year but was MIA in several also. Honestly, Captain and Cook could probably hover around 9-10, but Jasper is my only clear cut 10 on defense.

Well, Norwood was selected for the All-SEC 1st team last season as a soph. (along with McKinley and Munnerlyn), so he did something right. Perhaps losing both Jasper and Pepper, as well as others on D wearing down towards the end of the season, also affected Norwood's play. USC's entire D was MIA down the stretch, remember. Still, it's hard to rate Norwood as a "potential" All-SEC, under this thread's criteria, when he's already one. I'm hoping he will improve on his sophomore season under the direction of Coach Johnson.

As far as Jasper, you're probably right, but I'd like to first see how he's back from his knee injury, mentally as well as physically. He is a past consensus All-SEC 1st team selection, and was a pre-season candidate for All-America, along with other honors, before last season, so if he returns at his former ability, then you're right, no doubt.....

[reese]

Well, Norwood was selected for the All-SEC 1st team last season as a soph. (along with McKinley and Munnerlyn), so he did something right. Perhaps losing both Jasper and Pepper, as well as others on D wearing down towards the end of the season, also affected Norwood's play. USC's entire D was MIA down the stretch, remember. Still, it's hard to rate Norwood as a "potential" All-SEC, under this thread's criteria, when he's already one. I'm hoping he will improve on his sophomore season under the direction of Coach Johnson.

As far as Jasper, you're probably right, but I'd like to first see how he's back from his knee injury, mentally as well as physically. He is a past consensus All-SEC 1st team selection, and was a pre-season candidate for All-America, along with other honors, before last season, so if he returns at his former ability, then you're right, no doubt.....


i mean potential for the upcoming season. for players that were all sec last year, they would def have the best potential to repeat that this year unless there are outstanding circumstances that would prevent that.

[Sabanocchio]

Sabs, I almost completely agree. Don't you think Dan Williams will start ahead of Walter Fisher though? I like what the big guy brings to the table and would give him an 8. Obviously, we don't have a problem there with the first-teamers, but our depth is really an issue.

You're probably right. I was looking at the depth chart from last year. Dan Williams had a decent year.

[crusse10]

Good Lord...how many more Colquitts do you have in the pipeline? They're STILL around?????

We'll never run out of Colquitts.
That's like asking a Bama fan when he'll stop referring to the Bear as God's coach.

[GeauxTo]

Here's some statistics to give you an idea of just how big of a homer you are Geaux:

Before you posted, there were 10 total players ranked at a level 10. You have 13 on your list alone. Even now, there are only 12 between all the other teams that have been posted. :laugh:

Just 11; Chad Jones and Trindon Holliday are both listed in two different categories.
:tongue:

[azamugg]

Actually, you're right, Prodigy. After looking at my rankings again this morning, and reviewing the ranking criteria reese posted, I lowered my rankings across the board for the OL. They have struggled for the better part of 2 seasons now, and until they show they can play to their potential, I can't really rank them any better than average....


what a gentleman

[GeauxTo]

IMO, McClain will be the best LB in the SEC the next two years.

I think this might be what we would call a non sequitur, as would be all of BamaPerry's posts.

[lacene]

what a gentleman





up yours.....

[BAMAPERRY]

I think this might be what we would call a non sequitur, as would be all of BamaPerry's posts.

the truth, and nothing BUT the truth. :brick:

[Zee]

Well, Norwood was selected for the All-SEC 1st team last season as a soph. (along with McKinley and Munnerlyn), so he did something right. Perhaps losing both Jasper and Pepper, as well as others on D wearing down towards the end of the season, also affected Norwood's play. USC's entire D was MIA down the stretch, remember. Still, it's hard to rate Norwood as a "potential" All-SEC, under this thread's criteria, when he's already one. I'm hoping he will improve on his sophomore season under the direction of Coach Johnson.

As far as Jasper, you're probably right, but I'd like to first see how he's back from his knee injury, mentally as well as physically. He is a past consensus All-SEC 1st team selection, and was a pre-season candidate for All-America, along with other honors, before last season, so if he returns at his former ability, then you're right, no doubt.....

Yea you make some good points, especially about the whole defense wearing down. I think the only one who kept performing like a badass was E. Cook. But I'm gonna stick with Jasper being a 10. And hopefully his stellar play will spark those other guys.

[the Prodigy]

It's hard to do this exercise for your own team. Most of the picks on here have been pretty objective, which is a complement to all you out there. But there is NO WAY USC has 4 All-Americans. NO way. The only reason I put Luigs as a 10 is because, well, he won the Rimington Trophy. He was considered the best center in the nation last season. The likelihood that he will repeat that success is high.

I do agree with the poster that said Jasper Brinkley is the best player on the team. That is true. Even at that, he isn't a 10. I don't think there is a single 10 on USC's starting lineup. They gotta prove it on the field. At best Brinkley should be a 9. There is nothing wrong with a 9.

[the Prodigy]

Actually, you're right, Prodigy. After looking at my rankings again this morning, and reviewing the ranking criteria reese posted, I lowered my rankings across the board for the OL. They have struggled for the better part of 2 seasons now, and until they show they can play to their potential, I can't really rank them any better than average....

That was a little over the top on my part. The only player who is possibly a 10 is Jasper Brinkley. The rankings you are showing are for the OTHER USC.

Brinkley is a 9, Cap is a 9, I don't think you have any All-Americans on your team this season, you have some candidates for All-SEC first team, but not All-American.

[Sabanocchio]

That was a little over the top on my part. The only player who is possibly a 10 is Jasper Brinkley. The rankings you are showing are for the OTHER USC.

Brinkley is a 9, Cap is a 9, I don't think you have any All-Americans on your team this season, you have some candidates for All-SEC first team, but not All-American.

No way Kenny McKinley is a 10. He may be USC's best receiver but he'd be a third option at many schools. He needs to put on some muscle.

[the Prodigy]

No way Kenny McKinley is a 10. He may be USC's best receiver but he'd be a third option at many schools. He needs to put on some muscle.

I'd say McKinley is a 7....

[Sabanocchio]

IMO, McClain will be the best LB in the SEC the next two years.

Put down the crack pipe - or at least share.

[BAMAPERRY]

Put down the crack pipe - or at least share.

He was the best LB in the SEC at the end of the season last year, as a true freshman. :thumpsup:

[the Prodigy]

He was the best LB in the SEC at the end of the season last year, as a true freshman. :thumpsup:

Was he? Was he really?

[lacene]

It's hard to do this exercise for your own team. Most of the picks on here have been pretty objective, which is a complement to all you out there. But there is NO WAY USC has 4 All-Americans. NO way. The only reason I put Luigs as a 10 is because, well, he won the Rimington Trophy. He was considered the best center in the nation last season. The likelihood that he will repeat that success is high.

I do agree with the poster that said Jasper Brinkley is the best player on the team. That is true. Even at that, he isn't a 10. I don't think there is a single 10 on USC's starting lineup. They gotta prove it on the field. At best Brinkley should be a 9. There is nothing wrong with a 9.


Well, the chances of all the players I listed as "10" actually being All-americans at the end of 2008 is very slim. I have never stated otherwise. But they (and I posted 3, not 4, 10's) do have the potential to be All Americans, IMO. I thought the criteria was that a "10" was a "potential all american". If the players I ranked continued to improve as they have thus far, I think they will be among the players considered for All-America.

But this is all just to pass the time of day, and as with season predictions, these postings mean absolutely nothing to the real outcomes. It's just what I think has the potential of happening. Try not to let it work you up into such a state....

[lacene]

No way Kenny McKinley is a 10. He may be USC's best receiver but he'd be a third option at many schools. He needs to put on some muscle.

I'd say McKinley is a 7....


Hmm. McKinley is arguably the best returning WR in the SEC. A 1st-team All-SEC WR by the league's coaches, the Associated Press and CollegeFootballNews.com., and earned honorable mention All-America honors by CollegeFootballNews.com. He's set to own EVERY career receiving record USC has, passing WR's like Sterling Sharp, Robert Brooks, and Sidney Rice. Of course, if USC's young redshirt-freshmen receivers step up and help ease some of the load from Kenny's shoulders this season - like I'm wishing they do - he may not have as many receptions and yards as last season.

Then again, he led the SEC in receptions, RPG, RYPG, and was 2nd in TD's basically being the only consistent receiver USC had all season, with opposing defenses knowing it. Perhaps if we can get some help, it may open up the opposing secondaries, and give K-MAC some room to roam. I think the potential is there.......

[DELTOR]

Stats don't lie. Mckinley is arguably the best returning receiver in this conference. I don't think too many are concerned about his "muscle" after he has caught the ball in the open field. His YAC is impressive. A very shifty guy. Not too fast but quick enough to make the first and even second guy miss. All American? Maybe not. All SEC? There's no reason to not list him.

[the Prodigy]

The knock I have on McKinley is, where was he the last half of the year? I'd say Percy Harvin from Florida, Demetrius Byrd from LSU and Lucas Taylor are all better. Harvin is the best returning receiver.

If you want to play the "Best case scenario" potential all-American Arkansas got 6, not counting True Freshmen who will play and have an immediate Impact. Let's be realistic with this. Carolina has 1, maybe, that would qualify as a potential All-American. They have several who could be 9's. But they have no 10's. I'd be very surprised if South Carolina has any pre-season, or post-season all-americans on their roster.

At the time, I thought that Cap was not even close to being all-sec, he got out-run and out-muscled by both Felix Jones and Darren McFadden last season. In hindsight, I think we can all say, that isn't a knock on Cap, McFadden is really, really fast, and really, really strong. So I'd say he is a sure bet for an All-SEC spot, as is Brinkley.

[DELTOR]

The knock I have on McKinley is, where was he the last half of the year? I'd say Percy Harvin from Florida, Demetrius Byrd from LSU and Lucas Taylor are all better. Harvin is the best returning receiver.

If you want to play the "Best case scenario" potential all-American Arkansas got 6, not counting True Freshmen who will play and have an immediate Impact. Let's be realistic with this. Carolina has 1, maybe, that would qualify as a potential All-American. They have several who could be 9's. But they have no 10's. I'd be very surprised if South Carolina has any pre-season, or post-season all-americans on their roster.

At the time, I thought that Cap was not even close to being all-sec, he got out-run and out-muscled by both Felix Jones and Darren McFadden last season. In hindsight, I think we can all say, that isn't a knock on Cap, McFadden is really, really fast, and really, really strong. So I'd say he is a sure bet for an All-SEC spot, as is Brinkley.

I've made no mention of anyone but Kenny. Where was he? He averaged over a 100 yards and 8 catches/game the last 5 games of the season. What do you mean "where was he"?

[lacene]

The knock I have on McKinley is, where was he the last half of the year? I'd say Percy Harvin from Florida, Demetrius Byrd from LSU and Lucas Taylor are all better. Harvin is the best returning receiver.

If you want to play the "Best case scenario" potential all-American Arkansas got 6, not counting True Freshmen who will play and have an immediate Impact. Let's be realistic with this. Carolina has 1, maybe, that would qualify as a potential All-American. They have several who could be 9's. But they have no 10's. I'd be very surprised if South Carolina has any pre-season, or post-season all-americans on their roster.

At the time, I thought that Cap was not even close to being all-sec, he got out-run and out-muscled by both Felix Jones and Darren McFadden last season. In hindsight, I think we can all say, that isn't a knock on Cap, McFadden is really, really fast, and really, really strong. So I'd say he is a sure bet for an All-SEC spot, as is Brinkley.

You ask where McKinley was the last half of the season last season? He was winning his All-SEC 1st-team votes from the SEC head coaches, and from the Associated Press:

LAST 6 GAMES OF 2007:

McKinley

45 catches for 586 yards and 4 TD's

Harvin

25 catches for 295 yards and 1 TD

Byrd

21 catches for 322 yards and 4 TD's

Taylor

26 catches for 310 yards and 2 TD's

Looks pretty clear-cut to me. Of course, Harvin missed 2 games during that stretch due to illness, but even if you discard those 2 games, and add in the 2 games preceeding the last 6, where he had 6 catches for 108 yds and 0 TD's total for both, it doesn't help his case much. And Taylor also missed 1 game, but if you add in the game before his last 6 where he had 4 catches for 57 yds and 0 TD, it's the same as with Harvin.....


As with your opinion on Munnerlyn, like your's for McKinley, you're certainly welcome to it. I'll take the collective opinions of the SEC head coaches foremost, if it's all the same to you....

[the Prodigy]

Why don't you compare their W/L records now. I guess that is why no one was paying attention.

[the Prodigy]

I guess the point is, he's not a game breaker. He's not the guy who can take a game over. Dominate. He was their only option, and because of it South Carolina went into a tailspin at the end of the season. You have to WIN games for your team to be an All-American. McKinley is a solid starter, potential All-SEC, but that is the best he will get from me.

[lacene]

Why don't you compare their W/L records now. I guess that is why no one was paying attention.


You disappoint me, Prodigy. What does win-loss records have to do with individual performances in a team sport? Did you just intentionally mean to fail your own argument, or did this happen accidentally??

[the Prodigy]

You disappoint me, Prodigy. What does win-loss records have to do with individual performances in a team sport? Did you just intentionally mean to fail your own argument, or did this happen accidentally??

Winning is everything. You think Arkansas could have beaten LSU this past season without McFadden? The last half of the season was irrelevant because they lost. McKinley could have had 0 yards 0 TD's and it wouldn't have affected the outcome. You take McKinley away SC is worse off, but not that much worse off.

He's good. He's not an All-American. That's what I'm saying.

[DELTOR]

I guess the point is, he's not a game breaker. He's not the guy who can take a game over. Dominate. He was their only option, and because of it South Carolina went into a tailspin at the end of the season. You have to WIN games for your team to be an All-American. McKinley is a solid starter, potential All-SEC, but that is the best he will get from me.

I didn't know a good team record was used for assessing All-Americans or All Conference players. When did they start this? Did they change it at the same time they started calling Div I that funky lame name?

[GatorHunter]

The better question is..."Who would you rather have on your team?"

McKinley, Harvin, Byrd, or Taylor.

[reese]

The better question is..."Who would you rather have on your team?"

McKinley, Harvin, Byrd, or Taylor.

harvin by far

then mckinley

byrd..

taylor

[the Prodigy]

1. Harvin (who has legit All-American aspirations)
2. Byrd
3. Taylor
4. McKinley

Just how I see it.

[DELTOR]

The better question is..."Who would you rather have on your team?"

McKinley, Harvin, Byrd, or Taylor.

I would take Harvin over any of them. Then Mckinley. It's not hard to see Harvin is the better overall player than Mckinley. But to say he is above average at best is laughable.

[the Prodigy]

I didn't know a good team record was used for assessing All-Americans or All Conference players. When did they start this? Did they change it at the same time they started calling Div I that funky lame name?

There are always criteria you wish they didn't use. That doesn't mean they don't use it.

[shanksta13]

Yeah, Kenny McKinley has been one of the better receivers in the SEC for the last two years without a doubt. He might very well be the best pure wide-receiver in the SEC this year.

[the Prodigy]

I would take Harvin over any of them. Then Mckinley. It's not hard to see Harvin is the better overall player than Mckinley. But to say he is above average at best is laughable.

That isn't what I said, I said he's an ALL-SEC at best, for the most part he is a solid starter.

[DELTOR]

That isn't what I said, I said he's an ALL-SEC at best, for the most part he is a solid starter.

Solid starter would be above average in this league. Whatever, I'm through with this thread, because I'll surely take any of our top 3 guys over any Ark receiver they have this year.

[lacene]

I guess the point is, he's not a game breaker. He's not the guy who can take a game over. Dominate. He was their only option, and because of it South Carolina went into a tailspin at the end of the season. You have to WIN games for your team to be an All-American. McKinley is a solid starter, potential All-SEC, but that is the best he will get from me.

If only you knew what you were talking about. What about his season totals from last season shows that he did not dominate at the WR position? And USC did not go into a tailspin at the end of the season because he was their only option. Kenny McKinley had absolutely nothing at all to do with USC going into a tailspin. And if you have to win games to be an All-American, then explain how WR Jordy Nelson of Kansas St. (5-7), OT Jeff Otah and LB Scott McKillop of Pitt (5-7), LB Jordon Dizon of Colorado (6-7), CB Dwight Lowery of San Jose St. (5-7), S Chris Horton of UCLA (6-7), and K Steven Hauschka of NC-St. (5-7) all make the 2007 AP All-America Team, compiled by the AP from all the sporting and news services that rank All-America teams?? The players in bold are the one's who's service rankings are recognized by the NCAA as true All-America honors:


2007 College Football All-America Team - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_College_Football_All-America_Team)


Educate yourself for the argument next time, Prodigy. I was actually embarrassed to do this to you, there for a minute.....

[lacene]

The better question is..."Who would you rather have on your team?"

McKinley, Harvin, Byrd, or Taylor.

No.....not really. Not according to the original topic of this thread, Mr. Moderator. Once again, you show your astounding prowess at running this site according to its' owner's rules. Great Job....keep up the work.


I haven't argued that McKinley is better than Harvin. I disputed a question that The Prodigy put forth, which was rather unintelligent and not very thought out. I do not even know if you have submitted a ranking for UF to this thread, or if you ranked Harvin a "10". I would, if I ranked the UF team. I certainly wouldn't try to pose an argument about who's the better WR between the two players here. Because that's not what this thread topic is about.



Mr. Moderator.


:closedeye

[the Prodigy]

If only you knew what you were talking about. What about his season totals from last season shows that he did not dominate at the WR position? And USC did not go into a tailspin at the end of the season because he was their only option. Kenny McKinley had absolutely nothing at all to do with USC going into a tailspin. And if you have to win games to be an All-American, then explain how WR Jordy Nelson of Kansas St. (5-7), OT Jeff Otah and LB Scott McKillop of Pitt (5-7), LB Jordon Dizon of Colorado (6-7), CB Dwight Lowery of San Jose St. (5-7), S Chris Horton of UCLA (6-7), and K Steven Hauschka of NC-St. (5-7) all make the 2007 AP All-America Team, compiled by the AP from all the sporting and news services that rank All-America teams?? The players in bold are the one's who's service rankings are recognized by the NCAA as true All-America honors:


2007 College Football All-America Team - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_College_Football_All-America_Team)


Educate yourself for the argument next time, Prodigy. I was actually embarrassed to do this to you, there for a minute.....

Not really, the fact is, those players had astronomical numbers. In that case, your team doesn't have to win games. You just have to have astronomical numbers. McKinley doesn't have astronomical numbers, he has good numbers, and a lot of losses by his team.

It sucks when you act like you've won an argument, only to find that you haven't won it after all....

[lacene]

Not really, the fact is, those players had astronomical numbers. In that case, your team doesn't have to win games. You just have to have astronomical numbers. McKinley doesn't have astronomical numbers, he has good numbers, and a lot of losses by his team.

It sucks when you act like you've won an argument, only to find that you haven't won it after all....


FACT is you just got through posting that you have to lead your team to wins in order to be an All-American, and now you're changing your argument into a totally new direction when I stick it in your face just how wrong you are. Very pathetic when an adult is unable to simply admit when he's wrong, to this length. And in the presence of other adults. You should be ashamed, but somehow I'm sure you're not.....


:thumbsdow

[the Prodigy]

FACT is you just got through posting that you have to lead your team to wins in order to be an All-American, and now you're changing your argument into a totally new direction when I stick it in your face just how wrong you are. Very pathetic when an adult is unable to simply admit when he's wrong, to this length. And in the presence of other adults. You should be ashamed, but somehow I'm sure you're not.....


:thumbsdow

really I can do whatever I want with my arguments.... THANK YOU SIR!

[GatorHunter]

No.....not really. Not according to the original topic of this thread, Mr. Moderator. Once again, you show your astounding prowess at running this site according to its' owner's rules. Great Job....keep up the work.


I haven't argued that McKinley is better than Harvin. I disputed a question that The Prodigy put forth, which was rather unintelligent and not very thought out. I do not even know if you have submitted a ranking for UF to this thread, or if you ranked Harvin a "10". I would, if I ranked the UF team. I certainly wouldn't try to pose an argument about who's the better WR between the two players here. Because that's not what this thread topic is about.



Mr. Moderator.


:closedeye

Actually, Mr. Site Supporter...I posed a question that has everything to do with the topic of this thread...maybe you should read it again. I listed what most would consider the best WRs in the SEC this season and asked a question. Sorry if this goes against "your rules for the site"...:ph34r:

BTW, I also think McKinley is one of the best "pure" WRs in the SEC.

[lacene]

Actually, Mr. Site Supporter...I posed a question that has everything to do with the topic of this thread...maybe you should read it again. I listed what most would consider the best WRs in the SEC this season and asked a question. Sorry if this goes against "your rules for the site"...:ph34r:

BTW, I also think McKinley is one of the best "pure" WRs in the SEC.
The better question is..."Who would you rather have on your team?"

McKinley (USC player), Harvin (UF player), Byrd (LSU player), or Taylor (UT player).

rank your starters based on ability from 1-10. use this as a scale...

10- potential all-american
8-9..potential all -sec
7..solid starter
6..slightly above avg
4-5..avg
3..would be good depth but not a starter
2..shouldnt be playing
1...shouldnt be on the team
0...take his scholly and force hm to transfer to a sun belt conference team to be there water boy

Yeah, those are exactly the same topics for discussion. Whatever get's you through the day, I guess.......

:wacko:

[the Prodigy]

It sounds like you are sore because you are the only one who thinks McKinley is all-american material. I'm not saying McKinley sucks. He's a great WR. He's better than any of the WR's that Arkansas has, but he's not an all american. That's All I was saying. It's not my fault you got your panties in a wad and misread my posts.

[DELTOR]

It sounds like you are sore because you are the only one who thinks McKinley is all-american material. I'm not saying McKinley sucks. He's a great WR. He's better than any of the WR's that Arkansas has, but he's not an all american. That's All I was saying. It's not my fault you got your panties in a wad and misread my posts.

And why wouldn't the receiver who puts up the best statistical numbers in the conference be considered to have All-American potential? Are you downplaying the SEC's position leaders versus others in the country? Obviously someone thinks he has the potential for giving him Honorable Mention All-American status last season...... :headscrat

[the Prodigy]

And why wouldn't the receiver who puts up the best statistical numbers in the conference be considered to have All-American potential? Are you downplaying the SEC's position leaders versus others in the country?

I think with the exception of a couple players, the SEC is going to have a weak year at WR.

[BAMAPERRY]

Bama has an incredible group of young WRs. Freshman can play that position, if they're talented enough.

[Tider27]

I'm going to go ahead and add the true freshman that I think that will be starting. I'm basing their performance on their first year in relative to their potential ranking. That goes for everyone else that haven't started previously for Bama.

QB- John Parker Wilson 6
RB- Roy Upchurch 7
FB- Barron Huber 6
WR- Mike McCoy 7
WR- Julio Jones 8(All-SEC Fresh Team)
TE- Travis McCall 7
OT- Andre Smith 10
OG- Marlon Davis 7
C- Antoine Caldwell 9
OG- Mike Johnson 6
OT- Taylor Pharr 7

DE- Bobby Greenwood 7
DT- Lorenzo Washington 7
DE- Brandon Deaderick 8
Jack- Donta' Hightower 7
OLB- Jerrell Harris 8(All-SEC Freshman Team)
MLB- Rolando McClain 9
MLB- Jimmy Johns 6
CB- Kareem Jackson 8
CB- Burton Scott 8(All-SEC Freshman Team)
S- Rashad Johnson 8
S- Justin Woodall 6

[GatorHunter]

Yeah, those are exactly the same topics for discussion. Whatever get's you through the day, I guess.......

:wacko:

My "question" has every bit as much to do with the topic as your insistent whining about your man-crush on McKinley.:wub: Seems like my "asking" the question hit a nerve...poor fella.

Maybe we should change your title from "Site Supporter" to "Site Etiquette Enforcer"...:laugh:

[lacene]

It sounds like you are sore because you are the only one who thinks McKinley is all-american material. I'm not saying McKinley sucks. He's a great WR. He's better than any of the WR's that Arkansas has, but he's not an all american. That's All I was saying. It's not my fault you got your panties in a wad and misread my posts.

I couldn't care less if I'm the only one who feels as I do about McKinley. It wouldn't be the first time I'm alone in my opinion. Once again, I have no clue what you're on about in this thread (and I doubt you do, as well), but all I have done is post my opinion about the potential of the starters of USC. Potential doesn't mean reality...for all I know at this time, by mid-point of the '08 season, all USC's starters may be kicked off the team. It's only my opinion. I haven't challenged anybody else's opinions in here about their teams' starters.

The only thing that has happened between you and I in this thread is you made a stupid, uneducated statement about what McKinley did the last half of the '07 season, and I easily pointed out the stupidity of it for all to view at their leisure. Then you give an encore by making an even more stupid, uneducated statement about the qualifications for being named an All-American, and I again blew that to pieces. And you've then tried to change your story, so as not to look so stupid. Why would I be sore, or angry over this? The only emotion I came away with from this encounter - that I can tell - is pity....

[lacene]

My "question" has every bit as much to do with the topic as your insistent whining about your man-crush on McKinley.:wub: Seems like my "asking" the question hit a nerve...poor fella.

Maybe we should change your title from "Site Supporter" to "Site Etiquette Enforcer"...:laugh:

This is the only thread of any relevance that I have ever defended Kenny McKinley in, since I've been a member here. Note the word "defended", as my comments have come in response to other's who have challenged my opinion about him.

But I can accept your above comment, knowing how many Tim Tebow threads you've chubbed-up over, since before he was even enrolled at Florida......


:ohmy:

[GatorHunter]

This is the only thread of any relevance that I have ever defended Kenny McKinley in, since I've been a member here. Note the word "defended", as my comments have come in response to other's who have challenged my opinion about him.

But I can accept your above comment, knowing how many Tim Tebow threads you've chubbed-up over, since before he was even enrolled at Florida......


:ohmy:

Well...can't argue with that. Although, Tebow is currently the best player in the country...so, there's quite a big gap in "comparisons".

BTW, I wasn't disparaging McKinley...simply adding to the discussion. You chose to attack my remarks, as usual. If you don't like my remarks...don't respond to them, policeman.

[NiKka]

i'd just like to say watch out for Mike Wallace this year..
you guys probably haven't seen that much to notice but he is definitely in for an ALL-SEC season

[the Prodigy]

The only thing that has happened between you and I in this thread is you made a stupid, uneducated statement about what McKinley did the last half of the '07 season, and I easily pointed out the stupidity of it for all to view at their leisure. Then you give an encore by making an even more stupid, uneducated statement about the qualifications for being named an All-American, and I again blew that to pieces. And you've then tried to change your story, so as not to look so stupid. Why would I be sore, or angry over this? The only emotion I came away with from this encounter - that I can tell - is pity....

USC lost, therefore he was irrelevant. That is my point. I don't care if he scored 20 TD's in the last 6 games, he didn't affect the outcome of the game resulting in a win for his team.

Go sulk, I don't care. Guess what an All-American looks like:
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/183/ddawgespnsy6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


This is a guy who takes games over. In the SEC, you need to be like this guy to be an All-American. I'm telling you McKinley doesn't have it. All-SEC sure, he's not an All-American. And much like anything else, his performance on the field will show what he is made of. Can he do what McFadden did against LSU? South Carolina? Auburn in 06? Can he take games over. Can he make a statement. If you are big time player in a big time conference, you need to be more than just good. McKinley is just good. That is all I'm saying. He didn't do enough to help his team to victories in the second half of the season. That was my point, but much to the fashion of homerism that you are accustomed to, you completely missed it, and focused on what makes you feel better, what gives you hope. He's not an All-American, he doesn't have the stats or the presence of a top SEC receiver. If I'm wrong, he'll prove it on the field, but don't pretend like he's already done that. He hasn't.

I'm done with you.... for now.

[reese]

so according to the fans here, these are the numbers of all americans the SEC could have

bama- 1
UF- 5
UT-3
UGA-1
OM-2
SC-4
ARK-1
LSU-11 with 1 guy havin a possibility to make it at 2 places (chad joned) and another guy at 3 places (Holliday, wr,pr,kr)

remember those are according to the fans here. i guess nobody cares about auburn, KY, vandy or miss state.

[Tider27]

KR - Javier Arenas 8 :D

[Bulldog Bry]

Man, you guys let Lacene own you over McKinley.

Sad.