Let the Racism Begin

[GeauxTo]

The revelations about Obama's "close personal friend" pastor (for years and years) and his preacher's "hate America, hate Israel, hate whitey" rhetoric and Obama's "too little, too late" responses will accelerate the racial divide swirling around Obama. Blacks who refuse to think for themselves will defend their black brother like mice chasing cheese (a la O.J.). Thinking people of all races will begin to see that maybe Obama is not suitable presidential material, no matter what his race.

[GatorHunter]

The revelations about Obama's "close personal friend" pastor (for years and years) and his preacher's "hate America, hate Israel, hate whitey" rhetoric and Obama's "too little, too late" responses will accelerate the racial divide swirling around Obama. Blacks who refuse to think for themselves will defend their black brother like mice chasing cheese (a la O.J.). Thinking people of all races will begin to see that maybe Obama is not suitable presidential material, no matter what his race.


I agree, but be careful, Geaux...I was called a racist (not on this site) for saying the exact same thing at a party recently.

It's kinda funny, actually. Celebs like Whoopi and Oprah...both of which were once Hillary supporters, are now in Obama's camp.

Also heard others...Chris Rock said, "Give it to a black man...let's see how he does it." Really...so we should vote for Obama based on his color? Isn't that the exact opposite of what "Equal Rights" stands for?

[Tennessee Ted]

I am voting for him because of his intelligence not his race. Hillary and others have attacked him because they say he is just full of words and not actions. That is a weak argument against a very smart man. You could make that same case against all politicians at election time. All candidates are just words and no actions until the first Tuesday in November every four years. I will pick what I think are the smartest words come that day.

[Sabanocchio]

The revelations about Obama's "close personal friend" pastor (for years and years) and his preacher's "hate America, hate Israel, hate whitey" rhetoric and Obama's "too little, too late" responses will accelerate the racial divide swirling around Obama. Blacks who refuse to think for themselves will defend their black brother like mice chasing cheese (a la O.J.). Thinking people of all races will begin to see that maybe Obama is not suitable presidential material, no matter what his race.

Does not history tell us that the candidates are never as good as their supporters tell us they are and never as bad as their enemies claim?
This is just BS propaganda.

[WarEagle73]

I am voting for him because of his intelligence not his race. Hillary and others have attacked him because they say he is just full of words and not actions. That is a weak argument against a very smart man. You could make that same case against all politicians at election time. All candidates are just words and no actions until the first Tuesday in November every four years. I will pick what I think are the smartest words come that day.


Please help me understand what "intelligence" he has demonstrated? He attended this church for years and even had this "pastor" as one of his close advisers on his presidential campaign until his true colors were revealed to the world. Once word of how this nut job actually views our country came to light only then did Obama attempt to distance himself from him. If Obama were so "intelligent" don't you think he would never allow someone such as this to be one of his closest advisers in light of the fact they hold views that Obama claims to in no way endorse? Either Obama is both extraordinary naive and a fool or he is lying about not endorsing these views and is in the midst of a pathetic damage control attempt. Either way, these are not the traits you want in someone holding the Chief Executive Office of the country. :thumbsdow

[the Prodigy]

Personally, I don't think a person's religion has anything to do with the type of president they will be. People get into the mode of focusing on the wrong things. Just like with Clinton. Historically, the United States has never been more economically prosperous than when Clinton was president. But he liked the fatties and cheated on his wife, so he must not have been a very good president.

Don't fool yourself, everyone has an agenda, black, white, man, woman, poor, rich, moral, immoral, fanatical, or neutral. Every single one of these candidates will disappoint you in some way.

[timNem]

Im already disappointed

[WarEagle73]

Personally, I don't think a person's religion has anything to do with the type of president they will be. People get into the mode of focusing on the wrong things. Just like with Clinton. Historically, the United States has never been more economically prosperous than when Clinton was president. But he liked the fatties and cheated on his wife, so he must not have been a very good president.

Don't fool yourself, everyone has an agenda, black, white, man, woman, poor, rich, moral, immoral, fanatical, or neutral. Every single one of these candidates will disappoint you in some way.


It's not his religion that is such a concern. It's the views he has espoused that make it apparent that he pretty much hates this country and white people in particular. There is no way that Obama was unaware of the views this guy has. He even said he was a close friend and a huge influence on his life. To be honest, I have not heard anything remotely religious from this "pastor". What I have heard though is nothing short of racist and demonstrates a visceral hatred to our country. In light of the fact that Obama has claimed in his on words that this guy is a huge influence on his life then I cannot see how he is fit to be president.


How would this debate look were Obama a conservative white guy from Alabama? Along with that, let's say this white guy from Alabama was a member of a church where he claimed the pastor as a close adviser and acknowledged this pastor as being a major influence in his life? What if this pastor preached about the evil of African-Americans and called for God to "Damn" this country? What if this white pastor preached from the pulpit on the Sunday after 9/11 about how this country "was just having it's chicken's coming home to roost"? How would you view this guy from Alabama?

[the Prodigy]

It's not his religion that is such a concern. It's the views he has espoused that make it apparent that he pretty much hates this country and white people in particular. There is no way that Obama was unaware of the views this guy has. He even said he was a close friend and a huge influence on his life. To be honest, I have not heard anything remotely religious from this "pastor". What I have heard though is nothing short of racist and demonstrates a visceral hatred to our country. In light of the fact that Obama has claimed in his on words that this guy is a huge influence on his life then I cannot see how he is fit to be president.


How would this debate look were Obama a conservative white guy from Alabama? Along with that, let's say this white guy from Alabama was a member of a church where he claimed the pastor as a close adviser and acknowledged this pastor as being a major influence in his life? What if this pastor preached about the evil of African-Americans and called for God to "Damn" this country? What if this white pastor preached from the pulpit on the Sunday after 9/11 about how this country "was just having it's chicken's coming home to roost"? How would you view this guy from Alabama?

I see where you are coming from. I do. But why has he made it this far, if his views are so radically racist and anti-american? I'm guessing that there is a lot more smoke than there is fire.

[Sabanocchio]

I see where you are coming from. I do. But why has he made it this far, if his views are so radically racist and anti-american? I'm guessing that there is a lot more smoke than there is fire.

Isn't that typically the case?

[WarEagle73]

I see where you are coming from. I do. But why has he made it this far, if his views are so radically racist and anti-american? I'm guessing that there is a lot more smoke than there is fire.


The reason he has made it this far is (as I've stated before on another thread) is that most people are easily fooled. He is a very charismatic speaker and this leads people to want to follow him. He knows what people want to hear, so he gives it too them.

However, it is wise to look past grand speeches when deciding whom to support for the Presidency. This is true with him and all the other contenders as well.

I do not nor can I understand anyone that supports someone that has as one of his closest advisors someone that thinks AIDS was a government conspiracy to kill African-Americans or any of the other half-brained delusions this "pastor" has shown in the past. Obama didn't simply go to this guys church from time to time. He actually had him as an advisor on his campaign!

So tell me, do you think Obama is so stupid that he didn't know of the crazy ideas this "pastor" had or did he know exactly what his pastor though and thus agree with him since he put him on his campaign? As I said, either Obama is a fool for allowing someone that he is so opposed too on his campaign or he is a liar. Which do you think he is?

[Tennessee Ted]

Every single one of these candidates will disappoint you in some way.

This is so true and why I do not really have a "hero." Being a history major I have had people ask me who I admire most. I have a hard time answering this question because when you study someone you can always find major flaws no matter how great they were. Ironically, sometimes the greater the person the more major the flaw. Intelligent people do stupid things sometimes. Look at Clinton. In my vote, a stupid thing does not mean they lose my vote. If it does with you that is your choice.

[the Prodigy]

The reason he has made it this far is (as I've stated before on another thread) is that most people are easily fooled. He is a very charismatic speaker and this leads people to want to follow him. He knows what people want to hear, so he gives it too them.

However, it is wise to look past grand speeches when deciding whom to support for the Presidency. This is true with him and all the other contenders as well.

I do not nor can I understand anyone that supports someone that has as one of his closest advisors someone that thinks AIDS was a government conspiracy to kill African-Americans or any of the other half-brained delusions this "pastor" has shown in the past. Obama didn't simply go to this guys church from time to time. He actually had him as an advisor on his campaign!

So tell me, do you think Obama is so stupid that he didn't know of the crazy ideas this "pastor" had or did he know exactly what his pastor though and thus agree with him since he put him on his campaign? As I said, either Obama is a fool for allowing someone that he is so opposed too on his campaign or he is a liar. Which do you think he is?

Well he certainly hasn't fooled you!:glare:

Just make sure none of the other one fool you either. Because guess, what, to make it in the political world you have to do bad things, and you have to be very good at covering them up. That is what history has shown me.

[UKat]

Everyone needs to remember that in the U.S., racism is a one-way street....only white folks are racist........we can't say anything without being labled that, but someone like Obama's pastor can wail all he wants and not much is said. If this had been a white pastor spewing out these things the media would hang him.

[WarEagle73]

Well he certainly hasn't fooled you!:glare:

Just make sure none of the other one fool you either. Because guess, what, to make it in the political world you have to do bad things, and you have to be very good at covering them up. That is what history has shown me.


I still want to know if you think Obama was completely in the dark about what one of his "closest advisers" thought about the county that Obama is trying to become the leader of, or did Obama know how this guy feels and put him on his staff anyway? If the first Serrano is correct then Obama has demonstrated a glaring lapse in judgement. If the second scenario is correct (and I think it is) then Obama has to agree with the completely ludicrous assertions of this guy. Either the first is the case or the second. So which is it? A fool or a liar?

[UKat]

I still want to know if you think Obama was completely in the dark about what one of his "closest advisers" thought about the county that Obama is trying to become the leader of, or did Obama know how this guy feels and put him on his staff anyway? If the first Serrano is correct then Obama has demonstrated a glaring lapse in judgement. If the second scenario is correct (and I think it is) then Obama has to agree with the completely ludicrous assertions of this guy. Either the first is the case or the second. So which is it? A fool or a liar?Fool and LIAR. He has both covered.

[GeauxTo]

Watch the way Obama supporters react to all of this. The mice chasing the cheese scenario is coming into full bloom.

Obama is a good speaker and a good cheerleader, but that doesn't make him intelligent. He lacks depth, cavorts with people who hate America, hate white people, hate Jews, and are crooks. He's definitely not the person that I want at the reins of my country.

Those of you who love to wallow in your liberalism and those of you who are black... don't just follow the mice chasing the cheese... THINK!!

[zartan]

Watch the way Obama supporters react to all of this. The mice chasing the cheese scenario is coming into full bloom.

Obama is a good speaker and a good cheerleader, but that doesn't make him intelligent. He lacks depth, cavorts with people who hate America, hate white people, hate Jews, and are crooks. He's definitely not the person that I want at the reins of my country.

Those of you who love to wallow in your liberalism and those of you who are black... don't just follow the mice chasing the cheese... THINK!!
hahaha, that's rich from someone who no doubt voted for W twice. you elected a rugby-playing Ivy leaguer with a dubious armed service record, numerous business failures, and allegations of drug abuse because he played up his fake cowboy image.

and don't even get me started on the "cavorting with crooks" issue where conservatives are concerned...

[the Prodigy]

I still want to know if you think Obama was completely in the dark about what one of his "closest advisers" thought about the county that Obama is trying to become the leader of, or did Obama know how this guy feels and put him on his staff anyway? If the first Serrano is correct then Obama has demonstrated a glaring lapse in judgement. If the second scenario is correct (and I think it is) then Obama has to agree with the completely ludicrous assertions of this guy. Either the first is the case or the second. So which is it? A fool or a liar?

He's a smart guy, of course he knew. He's as dirty as all the rest of them. I don't see the point you are trying to make. My point is, don't criticize this guy if you aren't going to criticize everybody. Everyone has something they wish they had not said, done, or endorsed. And some people will do say and endorse horrible things.

[GeauxTo]

hahaha, that's rich from someone who no doubt voted for W twice. you elected a rugby-playing Ivy leaguer with a dubious armed service record, numerous business failures, and allegations of drug abuse because he played up his fake cowboy image.

and don't even get me started on the "cavorting with crooks" issue where conservatives are concerned...

Here, have some cheese.
:whistle:

[zartan]

Here, have some cheese.
:whistle:
i'm surprised you have any left after 8 years...

[WarEagle73]

He's a smart guy, of course he knew. He's as dirty as all the rest of them. I don't see the point you are trying to make. My point is, don't criticize this guy if you aren't going to criticize everybody. Everyone has something they wish they had not said, done, or endorsed. And some people will do say and endorse horrible things.



As soon as Clinton & McCain have one of their close advisers go off saying that 9/11 was our own fault and asking God to "Damn" our country I will level the same criticism at them as I have Obama. Wile I have serious reservations about both Clinton & McCain, they have not shown me anything to the point where I have to question their loyalty and devotion to our country. Nor have either of them shown any proclivity towards being fundamentally opposed to any race or ethnic group. Obama on the other hand has indeed brought into doubt his devotion to the country because of him having an advisor that clearly hates both Jews and white Americans. When a black man hates white people then he is just as much a racist as any white man that hates black people. Both are wrong and we do not need the White House under the direction of someone such as this. That is the point I'm trying to make. The president represents all Americans, not just black or white or whatever.

[GatorHunter]

Several of my friends in Texas actually went out and done the unspeakable...they voted for Hillary. And they aren't the only ones...the polls were full of Republicans voting for Hillary in order to keep Obama out.

As far as voting for Obama "because he's a smart man"....gimme a break...:wacko:

He's been a senator for 2 years...and has done nothing but sit on his arse and collect his salary. How do we know he's smart? Because he's a good speaker? Heck, my uncle is one of the best speakers I've ever seen...but he doesn't know shiat from shynola.

[azamugg]

hahaha, that's rich from someone who no doubt voted for W twice. you elected a rugby-playing Ivy leaguer with a dubious armed service record, numerous business failures, and allegations of drug abuse because he played up his fake cowboy image.

and don't even get me started on the "cavorting with crooks" issue where conservatives are concerned...



Oh for Gods sake .......be a Dem, be liberal, etc but man oh man do you not understand the man is running for President of the United States and you can't add that to what has been exposed...........don't be an idiot and fight for something because it has the label you approve of

[FightinTiger71]

Something scares me about Obama. I just don't see how someone comes out of no where to run for the presidency. Also as a caucasian American, something just doesn't sit right with me about a person running for the presidency who associates himself with people who have pretty much called for the extermination of the white race. I think he is mainly a smooth talker who is nothing more than razzle dazzle saying that he's gonna make everything better and that everyone is special. I feel like the only reason he will win the Democratic nomination is simply because of his color and the fact his opponent is Hilary Clinton...

[the Paradox]

I still want to know if you think Obama was completely in the dark about what one of his "closest advisers" thought about the county that Obama is trying to become the leader of, or did Obama know how this guy feels and put him on his staff anyway? If the first Serrano is correct then Obama has demonstrated a glaring lapse in judgement. If the second scenario is correct (and I think it is) then Obama has to agree with the completely ludicrous assertions of this guy. Either the first is the case or the second. So which is it? A fool or a liar?

Well, We're waiting.


RTR

[Tennessee Ted]

Because he's a good speaker? Heck, my uncle is one of the best speakers I've ever seen...but he doesn't know shiat from shynola.

Gatorhunter's uncle for president. I don't know anything about Shynola either, so that does not bother me.

[cocky4ever]

Is it just me, or do the choices get worse and worse every four years??

[zartan]

Oh for Gods sake .......be a Dem, be liberal, etc but man oh man do you not understand the man is running for President of the United States and you can't add that to what has been exposed...........don't be an idiot and fight for something because it has the label you approve of
aren't you fighting against something because it has the label you disapprove of? i wish people would quit pretending that the comments of some of obama's supporters is what really bothers them. it's a flimsy argument and i can make it against ANY of the candidates. if you want to criticize obama for inexperience or lack of substance, then by all means go right ahead, i say it's a fair point. but i don't really hear that, i hear people mentioning his middle name or the fact that he has travelled a bit and has actually stood near a Muslim or two in his lifetime (gasp!). same goes for hilary, the only criticism i hear of her is 'she's a bitch!'

it makes conservatives sound like people who are only happy when smug, self-satisfied white male CEO-types are in power.

[WarEagle73]

aren't you fighting against something because it has the label you disapprove of? i wish people would quit pretending that the comments of some of obama's supporters is what really bothers them. it's a flimsy argument and i can make it against ANY of the candidates. if you want to criticize obama for inexperience or lack of substance, then by all means go right ahead, i say it's a fair point. but i don't really hear that, i hear people mentioning his middle name or the fact that he has travelled a bit and has actually stood near a Muslim or two in his lifetime (gasp!). same goes for hilary, the only criticism i hear of her is 'she's a bitch!'

it makes conservatives sound like people who are only happy when smug, self-satisfied white male CEO-types are in power.



Do you even realize you are defending a guy that is a blatant racist? I thought liberals hated hypocrisy more than anything else. This seems to be dripping with hypocrisy. I mean think of it, Libs love to claim that conservatives are all racist and that only Democrats stand up for racial equality and justice. And yet now we see Lib after lib falling over themselves to run to the defense of Obama for having as his close advisor this guy that has spewed hate for white people and this country from the pulpit of his church for over 30 years. I ask those who would defend Obama, do you want someone in the White House, the guy that is the commander in Chief of our armed forces, have as one of his closest advisers someone that has clearly hates this country?

[zartan]

Do you even realize you are defending a guy that is a blatant racist? I thought liberals hated hypocrisy more than anything else. This seems to be dripping with hypocrisy. I mean think of it, Libs love to claim that conservatives are all racist and that only Democrats stand up for racial equality and justice. And yet now we see Lib after lib falling over themselves to run to the defense of Obama for having as his close advisor this guy that has spewed hate for white people and this country from the pulpit of his church for over 30 years. I ask those who would defend Obama, do you want someone in the White House, the guy that is the commander in Chief of our armed forces, have as one of his closest advisers someone that has clearly hates this country?
i'm repeating myself and i don't know why, you're clearly not listening. ALL politicians can be linked to people of dubious backgrounds without much effort. want an example? one of the current president's chief advisers and strategists outed an American operative to the media. that is an act of treason. would you want someone on the White House, the commander in Chief of our armed forces, have as one of his closest advisers someone that clearly hates this country?

see how easy that was?

[GetEmGamecocks]

I'm sorry, but...the whole pastor thing, seems to me like a bad excuse not to vote for a black man or a democrat. Let the flaming begin.

[GatorHunter]

I'm sorry, but...the whole pastor thing, seems to me like a bad excuse not to vote for a black man or a democrat. Let the flaming begin.

For me...has nothing to do with color or partisanship...I think Hillary is a skank who changes her views and beliefs according to "what's popular" on any given day...I think Obama is a "soothsayer"...and has done nothing to show me what kind of leader he will or won't be...and it scares the living hell out of me that a man that could very easily be the next President has "friends" that are flaming racists. I'm scared of McCain because I think the country does need some change and McCain seems to be a lot like "W"...I guess I'll vote none of the above.:(

[bigsexxxy]

i'm repeating myself and i don't know why, you're clearly not listening. ALL politicians can be linked to people of dubious backgrounds without much effort. want an example? one of the current president's chief advisers and strategists outed an American operative to the media. that is an act of treason. would you want someone on the White House, the commander in Chief of our armed forces, have as one of his closest advisers someone that clearly hates this country?

see how easy that was?

That was pretty easy. Karl Rove is much worse for this country than Obama's pastor could ever dream about being.


Don't even worry about getting flamed for saying this Zartan, the conservatives on the board are just going to casually ignore this.

[Bburton86]

how many more threads are going to be made about obama. okay, we get it. you don't want to vote for a half black guy. enough already. or atleast keep it one thread, entitled, "i don't want to vote for the black dude."

[zartan]

how many more threads are going to be made about obama. okay, we get it. you don't want to vote for a half black guy. enough already. or atleast keep it one thread, entitled, "i don't want to vote for the black dude."
i propose a second thread: 'women belong in rap videos, not the white house'

[the Paradox]

how many more threads are going to be made about obama. okay, we get it. you don't want to vote for a half black guy. enough already. or atleast keep it one thread, entitled, "i don't want to vote for the black dude."

Nice Job Liberal B. Just keep telling us dumb people how progressive you are.


RTR

[WarEagle73]

how many more threads are going to be made about obama. okay, we get it. you don't want to vote for a half black guy. enough already. or atleast keep it one thread, entitled, "i don't want to vote for the black dude."


That is completely untrue. I don't care what color our next President's skin is. I want a proven leader with good ideas. I want a leader that will represent every American without prejudice against anyone. I want an American President that is loyal to this country first and foremost. I hoped for quite some time that Colon Powell would run. I'd also give my vote to Condoleeza Rice in a second. Your argument about not voting for the black guy does not hold water. :thumbsdow

[GeauxTo]

how many more threads are going to be made about obama. okay, we get it. you don't want to vote for a half black guy. enough already. or atleast keep it one thread, entitled, "i don't want to vote for the black dude."

Here's a partial from a post I made in another thread...

No one I know gives a sh*t whether Obama is black, white, half-black, half-white, etc. (I live in a state that recently elected a first-generation Indian as governor, for example), but they do give a sh*t that he has for 20 or so years consorted with people who try to bomb American institutions and who say things as foolish as "America created the AIDS disease to do away with black people." That should be enough to raise the concern of anyone getting ready to choose the next president of the (still) mightiest and freest nation in the world.

[GetEmGamecocks]

That is completely untrue. I don't care what color our next President's skin is. I want a proven leader with good ideas. I want a leader that will represent every American without prejudice against anyone. I want an American President that is loyal to this country first and foremost. I hoped for quite some time that Colon Powell would run. I'd also give my vote to Condoleeza Rice in a second. Your argument about not voting for the black guy does not hold water. :thumbsdow

You must be smokin some of that stuff Obama used to sell. :laugh:

Also I think many people recognized that Bush didn't like minorities when he first got voted in...a leader without prejudice my a$$...not that you like Bush, nevermind.

[GatorHunter]

how many more threads are going to be made about obama. okay, we get it. you don't want to vote for a half black guy. enough already. or atleast keep it one thread, entitled, "i don't want to vote for the black dude."

Typical...:rolleyes:

Anytime you question a minority...you're branded a racist or your character is questioned. Sickening.:thumbsdow

Dumb is a good word, Paradox...however, it's the definition of "true ignorance". Shows a complete lack of intelligence to label someone based on legitimate concerns...or, labeling someone because their "concerns" don't jive with yours.

[zartan]

Typical...:rolleyes:

Anytime you question a minority...you're branded a racist or your character is questioned. Sickening.:thumbsdow

Dumb is a good word, Paradox...however, it's the definition of "true ignorance". Shows a complete lack of intelligence to label someone based on legitimate concerns...or, labeling someone because their "concerns" don't jive with yours.
it ain't that, it's the hypocrisy.

i can make the obama-pastor argument against any of the candidates, but for some reason it's only bad when the non-white guy with the funny name does it. given that, how are we to come to any other conclusion?

[timNem]

You must be smokin some of that stuff Obama used to sell. :laugh:

Also I think many people recognized that Bush didn't like minorities when he first got voted in...a leader without prejudice my a$$...not that you like Bush, nevermind.
You are mistaken on the Bush thing, actually his brother is married to a Mexican and GWs nephew is a leader in that movement that claims that the enitire Southwest USA actually belongs to Mexico. Thats one of the reasons that GW is so hardcore about keeping the borders wide open and granting amnesty to 100 million illegals, that is unless you only consider blacks a minority.

[GetEmGamecocks]

You are mistaken on the Bush thing, actually his brother is married to a Mexican and GWs nephew is a leader in that movement that claims that the enitire Southwest USA actually belongs to Mexico. Thats one of the reasons that GW is so hardcore about keeping the borders wide open and granting amnesty to 100 million illegals, that is unless you only consider blacks a minority.

Good point, he certainly has no problems with the Mexicans. It's almost like he wants to let enough in so that people won't mind combining the US and Mexico into one country, and Canada while we're at it. I just remember when he got elected, many people in my family were saying they don't agree with him on many issues (I have mostly a democrat family), but he doesn't like blacks. Then they got into an argument on whether that was good or not, but I remember that he definitely did not like black folks. At least according to a bunch of people in my family, Bush doesn't like blacks, and I'll always remember that. That's one more reason why I hate him...black people are cool with me, never did anything wrong to me.

[zartan]

um, I would argue that GWB likes Mexicans because his corporate paymasters want cheap labor. i would also like to add that these charges can be levelled at a number of politicians in this country on both sides of the aisle. i find it revolting that these morons have actively created the immigration crisis and then react with mock outrage at election time.

[GatorHunter]

it ain't that, it's the hypocrisy.

i can make the obama-pastor argument against any of the candidates, but for some reason it's only bad when the non-white guy with the funny name does it. given that, how are we to come to any other conclusion?

Hypocrisy? Name one pastor or good friend of any other candidate...white/black/female that is so blatantly anti-American and a flaming racist. It's not hypocrisy...it's not even misguided...it's simple logic and reason. Obama has attended this church for 20 years...with a minister that preaches hate and ethnocentrism. That's plain fact. I'm not saying that Obama has the same "views"...but he attends the church...if I were in a church and our pastor started preaching this fodder...I would simply change churches or move to have him removed. That's my whole point...if Obama doesn't agree with what the pastor is saying...why go to the church?

[timNem]

Good point, he certainly has no problems with the Mexicans. It's almost like he wants to let enough in so that people won't mind combining the US and Mexico into one country, and Canada while we're at it. I just remember when he got elected, many people in my family were saying they don't agree with him on many issues (I have mostly a democrat family), but he doesn't like blacks. Then they got into an argument on whether that was good or not, but I remember that he definitely did not like black folks. At least according to a bunch of people in my family, Bush doesn't like blacks, and I'll always remember that. That's one more reason why I hate him...black people are cool with me, never did anything wrong to me.
Ive never read or heard anything that would back up Bush being a racist toward blacks but who knows? I would think that as hard headed as he is that he would have definately not picked several black people in his cabinet much less the Secretary of State if he were racist. Ive got ALOT of people in my family who are yellow dog democrats too just because my Grandpa was during the Depression, they would vote for Hitler if he ran on the Democrat ticket.

[timNem]

um, I would argue that GWB likes Mexicans because his corporate paymasters want cheap labor. i would also like to add that these charges can be levelled at a number of politicians in this country on both sides of the aisle. i find it revolting that these morons have actively created the immigration crisis and then react with mock outrage at election time.
That too..Hey! We agree once again! :laugh:

[zartan]

Hypocrisy? Name one pastor or good friend of any other candidate...white/black/female that is so blatantly anti-American and a flaming racist. It's not hypocrisy...it's not even misguided...it's simple logic and reason. Obama has attended this church for 20 years...with a minister that preaches hate and ethnocentrism. That's plain fact. I'm not saying that Obama has the same "views"...but he attends the church...if I were in a church and our pastor started preaching this fodder...I would simply change churches or move to have him removed. That's my whole point...if Obama doesn't agree with what the pastor is saying...why go to the church?
that's easy-peasy.

hillary had geraldine ferraro spout off with racist AND sexist comments in an attack on obama.

mccain is supported by john hagee, an evangelist who has been criticized numerous times for making anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, and homophobic remarks.

[GatorHunter]

that's easy-peasy.

hillary had geraldine ferraro spout off with racist AND sexist comments in an attack on obama.

mccain is supported by john hagee, an evangelist who has been criticized numerous times for making anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, and homophobic remarks.

Yea...but McCain doesn't attend Hagee's church. And certainly hasn't for the past 20 freakin' years.

As far as Hillary and Ferraro...I don't recall Hillary's racial comments...I try not to listen to her. But Ferraro was stating fact...Obama has indeed received votes because he's black....just like Hillary has received votes because she's female. It's common sense.

[bigsexxxy]

That is completely untrue. I don't care what color our next President's skin is. I want a proven leader with good ideas. I want a leader that will represent every American without prejudice against anyone. I want an American President that is loyal to this country first and foremost. I hoped for quite some time that Colon Powell would run. I'd also give my vote to Condoleeza Rice in a second. Your argument about not voting for the black guy does not hold water. :thumbsdow

Yes it does hold water. Why do the ethnic whites(Polish-Americans, etc.) in highly industrialized states votes against Obama and for Clinton. Minorities tend to vote against other minorities(note Clinton's victory in Texas, a state with a very high Hispanic population).

And next time you try to talk about how you're so progressive that you would vote for a black person, make sure to at least spell their names right.

[Crimson Kicker8]

Hypocrisy? Name one pastor or good friend of any other candidate...white/black/female that is so blatantly anti-American and a flaming racist. It's not hypocrisy...it's not even misguided...it's simple logic and reason. Obama has attended this church for 20 years...with a minister that preaches hate and ethnocentrism. That's plain fact. I'm not saying that Obama has the same "views"...but he attends the church...if I were in a church and our pastor started preaching this fodder...I would simply change churches or move to have him removed. That's my whole point...if Obama doesn't agree with what the pastor is saying...why go to the church?

QFT. Really Zartan, for you to say you can make that argument for any other candidate yet the only reason we pick on Obama is because he's black and has a funny name is beyond ludicrous. I challenge you to do just that. Make the same case for McCain or Hillary, show us their hate-spewing pastors, show us the life-long relationships those candidates have with their hate-mongering clergyman. You're stretching a bit far on this one, too far for logical reason.

[Crimson Kicker8]

that's easy-peasy.

hillary had geraldine ferraro spout off with racist AND sexist comments in an attack on obama.

mccain is supported by john hagee, an evangelist who has been criticized numerous times for making anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, and homophobic remarks.

Not even close. As for Hagee, that's like comparing a blender to a water buffalo. And as bad as Ferraro's comments were, she looks like mother Teresa compared to hate monger. You trying to spin this against people calling out Wright for who he is has led you to some pretty poor examples.

[zartan]

some Hagee gems:

-he is on record as saying Hurricane Katrina is divine retribution against the people of New Orleans, citing a "homosexual parade" as the reason they have angered God.

-he condemns the Harry Potter books as "modern witchcraft"

-In his book Jerusalem Countdown: A Warning to the World, Hagee interprets the Bible to predict Russia and the Islamic states will invade Israel and will be destroyed by God. This will cause the anti-Christ, the head of the European Union, to create a confrontation over Israel between China and the West. A final battle between East and West at Armageddon will then precipitate the Second Coming of Christ.

"The Roman Catholic Church, which was supposed to carry the light of the gospel, plunged the world into the Dark Ages.... The Crusaders were a motley mob of thieves, rapists, robbers, and murderers whose sins had been forgiven by the pope in advance of the Crusade.... The brutal truth is that the Crusades were military campaigns of the Roman Catholic Church to gain control of Jerusalem from the Muslims and to punish the Jews as the alleged Christ killers on the road to and from Jerusalem." (p. 73, "Jerusalem Countdown")

“Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews.” - Jerusalem Countdown (revised edition, 2007, p. 114)

"It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day..."

[timNem]

some Hagee gems:

-he is on record as saying Hurricane Katrina is divine retribution against the people of New Orleans, citing a "homosexual parade" as the reason they have angered God.

-he condemns the Harry Potter books as "modern witchcraft"

-In his book Jerusalem Countdown: A Warning to the World, Hagee interprets the Bible to predict Russia and the Islamic states will invade Israel and will be destroyed by God. This will cause the anti-Christ, the head of the European Union, to create a confrontation over Israel between China and the West. A final battle between East and West at Armageddon will then precipitate the Second Coming of Christ.

"The Roman Catholic Church, which was supposed to carry the light of the gospel, plunged the world into the Dark Ages.... The Crusaders were a motley mob of thieves, rapists, robbers, and murderers whose sins had been forgiven by the pope in advance of the Crusade.... The brutal truth is that the Crusades were military campaigns of the Roman Catholic Church to gain control of Jerusalem from the Muslims and to punish the Jews as the alleged Christ killers on the road to and from Jerusalem." (p. 73, "Jerusalem Countdown")

“Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews.” - Jerusalem Countdown (revised edition, 2007, p. 114)

"It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day..."


I mean WOW! Thats some hate right there :blink:

[Bburton86]

QFT. Really Zartan, for you to say you can make that argument for any other candidate yet the only reason we pick on Obama is because he's black and has a funny name is beyond ludicrous. I challenge you to do just that. Make the same case for McCain or Hillary, show us their hate-spewing pastors, show us the life-long relationships those candidates have with their hate-mongering clergyman. You're stretching a bit far on this one, too far for logical reason.

I won't name a friend of a candidate. I will name you a candidate.


George W. Bush. Worst thing that has happened to this country since the depression. His attack on civil liberties, the economy, our foreign policy reputation and his plain stupidity has been a disservice to this country.

[timNem]

Yes it does hold water. Why do the ethnic whites(Polish-Americans, etc.) in highly industrialized states votes against Obama and for Clinton. Minorities tend to vote against other minorities(note Clinton's victory in Texas, a state with a very high Hispanic population).

And next time you try to talk about how you're so progressive that you would vote for a black person, make sure to at least spell their names right.

Why is it that the overwhelming majority of blacks were 100% behind Clinton until Obama came along? Almost all the prominent black endorsements she had jumped ship to Obama.

[timNem]

I won't name a friend of a candidate. I will name you a candidate.


George W. Bush. Worst thing that has happened to this country since the depression. His attack on civil liberties, the economy, our foreign policy reputation and his plain stupidity has been a disservice to this country.
nah, you must not remember Jimmy from Jawga

[azamugg]

I won't name a friend of a candidate. I will name you a candidate.


George W. Bush. Worst thing that has happened to this country since the depression. His attack on civil liberties, the economy, our foreign policy reputation and his plain stupidity has been a disservice to this country.



could you interpret? I don't speak dumb gay phuck

[Bburton86]

nah, you must not remember Jimmy from Jawga

You mean the economy tanked, two giant buildings with 1,900 U.S. civilians inside fell, we invaded two countries, gas rose to over 3 dollars a gallon and we have become a joke to everyone in the world during his tenure too?

[timNem]

You mean the economy tanked, two giant buildings with 1,900 U.S. civilians inside fell, we invaded two countries, gas rose to over 3 dollars a gallon and we have become a joke to everyone in the world during his tenure too?
dude, compared to then the economy is through the roof now. Terrorist were taking AMerican hostages all over the globe, alot of times you were lucky to get freaking fuel after waiting in lines for several hours, the douchebag sold the Panama Canal, left our military in the worst shape it has ever been and did this while communism was spreading rampant in Cenrtal America. etc. There is a BIG DIFFEENCE in having the rest of the world to PERCEIVE you as joke than really being a joke.

[Sabanocchio]

dude, compared to then the economy is through the roof now.

You can't possibly believe that. There's just no way. Terrorist were taking AMerican hostages all over the globe, alot of times you were lucky to get freaking fuel after waiting in lines for several hours, the douchebag sold the Panama Canal, left our military in the worst shape it has ever been and did this while communism was spreading rampant in Cenrtal America. etc. There is a BIG DIFFEENCE in having the rest of the world to PERCEIVE you as joke than really being a joke.

The difference is not that big, Tim. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire. Foreign policy is the worst it's been in recent history and it's no surprise. The right wingers are buying the crap the Bush administration is feeding them, while the leftists and the rest of the world simply aren't. Bush makes Tony Blair look like JFK.

[azamugg]

You mean the economy tanked, two giant buildings with 1,900 U.S. civilians inside fell, we invaded two countries, gas rose to over 3 dollars a gallon and we have become a joke to everyone in the world during his tenure too?

uh huh dipshit, the economy tanked, long term mortgage interest rates hit 21% compared to 5.75% today, gas cost more per gallon than it does now relative to time value of dollar, and hell we had a SHORTAGE, screw the increased cost.........Iran held this country hostage for over a year and yes we became a joke

and we arent a joke to the rest of the world cumbucket, they resent us for many other reasons other than Iraq.................no go make your bed

[Neo]

He's a smart guy, of course he knew. He's as dirty as all the rest of them. I don't see the point you are trying to make. My point is, don't criticize this guy if you aren't going to criticize everybody. Everyone has something they wish they had not said, done, or endorsed. And some people will do say and endorse horrible things.



Sorry bro, when you're running for President, you kinda open yourself to criticism.

Anyone that associates himself with someone that spews this kind of hatred and venom from a pulpit no less, is someone that I DO NOT want in the White House.

For Obama to say that he didn't know about this guy's beliefs is insane. You don't know someone for 30 years, have them on your advisory council and not know who they are or what they believe. Obama is ATTEMPTING to play all of his supporters for fools and a lot of them are sticking their heads in the sand saying it's not true.

For all of those Obama supporters, I ask you this question. How can you support a man preaching change and diversity when he supports/endorses a man that preaches violence and hatred? If you think that Obama didn't know this guy's beliefs or motives, I have beachfront property in North Dakota to sell you for 1,000 an acre.

As for Obama's credentials, I do not feel that he's qualified to be president. Two (2) years in the senate does not automaticly make you qualified.

[timNem]

You can't possibly believe that. There's just no way.

I guess its the amnesia I suffered... Yes way. I remember! It was worse...MUCH worse

[Sabanocchio]

I guess its the amnesia I suffered... Yes way. I remember! It was worse...MUCH worse

Let me just clarify, you are saying that the economy was worse under Clinton than it is today?

[timNem]

Let me just clarify, you are saying that the economy was worse under Clinton than it is today?
Where did you get Clinton out of this..we're talking about Jimmy

[Sabanocchio]

Where did you get Clinton out of this..we're talking about Jimmy

Oh, okay. I misconstrued your statement, my bad.

[Neo]

You mean the economy tanked, two giant buildings with 1,900 U.S. civilians inside fell, we invaded two countries, gas rose to over 3 dollars a gallon and we have become a joke to everyone in the world during his tenure too?



I hate to break this to you, but when Carter was in office, we had the oil embargo and when you factor in inflation, gasoline was much higher priced then than it is now.

I remeber sitting in the car with my mother or father and waiting for an hour or so to purchase 6-7 gallons of gas twice a week.

Now, I'm gonna take a stab at this and say that you're too young to remember this. :whistle:

[D^3]

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.yuwantitwhen.com/blog/wp-content/images/train_wreck.jpg&usg=AFQjCNE1-Xj1FnX1N2E9_ObctJXEOM2sOg

[GeauxTo]

Interesting read:

The Barack Obama Double Standard
By Doug Patton
March 17, 2008

Imagine in 1999, that a videotape had come to light showing the pastor of Texas Gov. George W. Bush's church making vicious, hateful comments about America and cruel, racist statements about Americans of color.

Suppose this preacher had given a lifetime achievement award to former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, and had traveled to Europe with Duke to meet with neo-Nazi terrorists.

Now try to envision that the candidate's family had attended this church for more than twenty years, that George and Laura Bush had been married there, by this pastor, and that the Bush daughters had been baptized by him.

Picture George Bush titling his autobiography after a phrase in one of this minister's sermons, writing that the man was his mentor, and then putting him on the presidential campaign staff as a trusted advisor and confidant.

Say it came to light that for several years George W. Bush had been friends with Eric Rudolph, the notorious Olympic Park bomber and anti-abortion terrorist. Furthermore, let's suppose that Bush had remained friends with Rudolph over the years and still considered him a colleague today.

Now imagine Laura Bush, on the campaign trail for her husband, telling supporters and the national media that America is "mean" and that for the first time in her adult life she was proud of her country.

Is there a doubt that Republican officeholders would have run from the Bush campaign like rats from a burning barn, that he would have become the political leper of the 2000 campaign? And what about the media? They virtually crucified candidate Bush that year for daring to give a speech at Bob Jones University, which had once banned interracial dating. I cannot imagine the field day they would have had with something like this.

And yet excuses are made for Barack Obama, who now finds himself in exactly this situation. Obama's pastor of more than two decades - the man who married Barack and Michelle Obama, who christened their daughters, who inspired the title of the candidate's book, "The Audacity of Hope," - is now at the center of a storm that would have destroyed the candidacy of any Republican the day the story broke.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago for the last 36 years, has been caught on tape denouncing the United States and the white race in terms that should shock and disgust every thinking American. Wright and the church swear allegiance to the "mother country" - Africa. (Presumably this includes the Obama family.)

Rather than trying to infuse his congregation with hope and encouragement, Wright poisons them with vitriol about how the U.S. government has tried to commit genocide against the black community using drugs and the AIDS virus as weapons of choice.

"Don't say God bless America," Wright screams in one sermon. "God damn America!"

Wright, representing the church, bestowed a lifetime achievement award on Louis Farrakhan, the racist leader of the Nation of Islam. In the 1980s, Wright traveled to Libya with Farrakhan to meet with Muammar Gaddafi.

If Barack Obama has not been paying attention in church, it is apparent that his wife, Michelle, has. Campaigning for her husband recently, she said that for the first time in her adult life, she is finally proud of her country. In a separate speech, she said America is "a mean country."

Obama is friends with William Ayers, an admitted domestic terrorist with the Weather Underground, which declared war on the United States and claimed responsibility for bombing several government buildings, including the Pentagon and the State Department building, in the 1970s. In an interview with The New York Times, ironically published on the morning of September 11, 2001, Ayers was quoted as saying, "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough."

Now a tenured professor at the University of Chicago (only in America!), Ayers met Barack Obama in the 1990s. They have remained friends ever since.

We are judged not just by our words, but by the company we keep. The litmus test should not be whether or not everyone a candidate knows is ideal. That is an impossible standard. The true measure of a man is in his ability to choose friends with which he can be proud to stand shoulder to shoulder, not those about whom he must equivocate and for whom he must apologize.

[WarEagle73]

Interesting read:

The Barack Obama Double Standard
By Doug Patton
March 17, 2008

Imagine in 1999, that a videotape had come to light showing the pastor of Texas Gov. George W. Bush's church making vicious, hateful comments about America and cruel, racist statements about Americans of color.

Suppose this preacher had given a lifetime achievement award to former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, and had traveled to Europe with Duke to meet with neo-Nazi terrorists.

Now try to envision that the candidate's family had attended this church for more than twenty years, that George and Laura Bush had been married there, by this pastor, and that the Bush daughters had been baptized by him.

Picture George Bush titling his autobiography after a phrase in one of this minister's sermons, writing that the man was his mentor, and then putting him on the presidential campaign staff as a trusted advisor and confidant.

Say it came to light that for several years George W. Bush had been friends with Eric Rudolph, the notorious Olympic Park bomber and anti-abortion terrorist. Furthermore, let's suppose that Bush had remained friends with Rudolph over the years and still considered him a colleague today.

Now imagine Laura Bush, on the campaign trail for her husband, telling supporters and the national media that America is "mean" and that for the first time in her adult life she was proud of her country.

Is there a doubt that Republican officeholders would have run from the Bush campaign like rats from a burning barn, that he would have become the political leper of the 2000 campaign? And what about the media? They virtually crucified candidate Bush that year for daring to give a speech at Bob Jones University, which had once banned interracial dating. I cannot imagine the field day they would have had with something like this.

And yet excuses are made for Barack Obama, who now finds himself in exactly this situation. Obama's pastor of more than two decades - the man who married Barack and Michelle Obama, who christened their daughters, who inspired the title of the candidate's book, "The Audacity of Hope," - is now at the center of a storm that would have destroyed the candidacy of any Republican the day the story broke.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago for the last 36 years, has been caught on tape denouncing the United States and the white race in terms that should shock and disgust every thinking American. Wright and the church swear allegiance to the "mother country" - Africa. (Presumably this includes the Obama family.)

Rather than trying to infuse his congregation with hope and encouragement, Wright poisons them with vitriol about how the U.S. government has tried to commit genocide against the black community using drugs and the AIDS virus as weapons of choice.

"Don't say God bless America," Wright screams in one sermon. "God damn America!"

Wright, representing the church, bestowed a lifetime achievement award on Louis Farrakhan, the racist leader of the Nation of Islam. In the 1980s, Wright traveled to Libya with Farrakhan to meet with Muammar Gaddafi.

If Barack Obama has not been paying attention in church, it is apparent that his wife, Michelle, has. Campaigning for her husband recently, she said that for the first time in her adult life, she is finally proud of her country. In a separate speech, she said America is "a mean country."

Obama is friends with William Ayers, an admitted domestic terrorist with the Weather Underground, which declared war on the United States and claimed responsibility for bombing several government buildings, including the Pentagon and the State Department building, in the 1970s. In an interview with The New York Times, ironically published on the morning of September 11, 2001, Ayers was quoted as saying, "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough."

Now a tenured professor at the University of Chicago (only in America!), Ayers met Barack Obama in the 1990s. They have remained friends ever since.

We are judged not just by our words, but by the company we keep. The litmus test should not be whether or not everyone a candidate knows is ideal. That is an impossible standard. The true measure of a man is in his ability to choose friends with which he can be proud to stand shoulder to shoulder, not those about whom he must equivocate and for whom he must apologize.



Mr. Nail, I'd like for you to meet my friend Mr. Hammer!

[zartan]

We are judged not just by our words, but by the company we keep. The litmus test should not be whether or not everyone a candidate knows is ideal. That is an impossible standard. The true measure of a man is in his ability to choose friends with which he can be proud to stand shoulder to shoulder, not those about whom he must equivocate and for whom he must apologize.

wanna see some pictures of Rummy shaking hands with Hussein? perhaps a nice photo of GWB hand-in-hand with members of the House of Saud? how about a quote from Reagan praising the mujahideen as 'freedom fighters'?

[timNem]

wanna see some pictures of Rummy shaking hands with Hussein? perhaps a nice photo of GWB hand-in-hand with members of the House of Saud? how about a quote from Reagan praising the mujahideen as 'freedom fighters'?

Did Rummy shake his hand for 20 years and attend his Mosque, pray toward Mecca, etc?

What you need to also say is the reason behind all those or do you have any idea as to what was happening in the world then?

[zartan]

Did Rummy shake his hand for 20 years and attend his Mosque, pray toward Mecca, etc?

What you need to also say is the reason behind all those or do you have any idea as to what was happening in the world then?
oh, i get it. it's wrong to cavort with tyrants and bigots unless you have a good excuse.

[azamugg]

oh, i get it. it's wrong to cavort with tyrants and bigots unless you have a good excuse.

FINALLY......

[timNem]

oh, i get it. it's wrong to cavort with tyrants and bigots unless you have a good excuse.

What would YOU do when a Soviet backed Iran was waging war? Why would the Soviets back them so heavily? Could it be that it was another route for them to take the Mid East Oil with the other route being through Afghanistan? Remember that?
What would your solution be?

[zartan]

What would YOU do when a Soviet backed Iran was waging war? Why would the Soviets back them so heavily? Could it be that it was another route for them to take the Mid East Oil with the other route being through Afghanistan? Remember that?
What would your solution be?
spin it all you like, but it remains spin. it's ok when your guy does it, but obama is a traitor.

[UKat]

spin it all you like, but it remains spin. it's ok when your guy does it, but obama is a traitor.Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is your friend......it's an unfortunate reality.....one you don't seem to grasp.

[GeauxTo]

wanna see some pictures of Rummy shaking hands with Hussein? perhaps a nice photo of GWB hand-in-hand with members of the House of Saud? how about a quote from Reagan praising the mujahideen as 'freedom fighters'?

Do you have any pictures of Benedict Arnold?
:whistle:

[zartan]

Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is your friend......it's an unfortunate reality.....one you don't seem to grasp.
so Obama can pick anyone who doesn't like GWB, McCain, or the republican party as his friend and you'll be ok with it? i think i sense more spin coming...

[timNem]

spin it all you like, but it remains spin. it's ok when your guy does it, but obama is a traitor.
so thats your way of being unable or unwilling to answer the questions..how typical

[zartan]

so thats your way of being unable or unwilling to answer the questions..how typical
whatever. you're still making hypocritical excuses for behavior you claim to be outraged by...

[timNem]

whatever. you're still making hypocritical excuses for behavior you claim to be outraged by...
yo dude, dontcha think there is a BIG difference in practically being forced to make decisons with not so friendly people when you are a govt official and being a member of a church on your own free will on your own private time. If you cant see that logic, there is no hope for you.

FDR shook hands with Stallin too but I wonder why?

[Crimson Kicker8]

so thats your way of being unable or unwilling to answer the questions..how typical

If you notice, most of his responses in this thread refuse to answer simple and direct questions whose answers seriously jeopardize his points. Spin works both ways Zartan, you seem to be a bit better at it.

[zartan]

yo dude, dontcha think there is a BIG difference in practically being forced to make decisons with not so friendly people when you are a govt official and being a member of a church on your own free will on your own private time. If you cant see that logic, there is no hope for you.

FDR shook hands with Stallin too but I wonder why?
sure. the poor little president was practically forced into it. what a noble sacrifice to make! please excuse me, i've got to go get some kleenex.

[zartan]

If you notice, most of his responses in this thread refuse to answer simple and direct questions whose answers seriously jeopardize his points. Spin works both ways Zartan, you seem to be a bit better at it.
really? my argument is and has always been 'your guys do what obama is accused of doing'. i haven't tried to make excuses for obama. i haven't said i agree with what the pastor said. all i have done is try to show you that in the modern world it is easy to associate any politican with a kook, yet the conservatives on this board want to keep telling me that somehow their guys are above that. when i provide examples, they provide excuses.

[Crimson Kicker8]

Sure any politician can be associated with a kook, what you fail to acknowledge is that some politicians are a little more involved with more severe kooks than others, i.e. the Obama/Wright connection. And for the record, I think Obama has made it clear that he does not condone such language, he was a little late in addressing it, but I'm not holding Wrights ramblings against Obama. That doesn't mean the issue should not have been addressed as it was.

[timNem]

sure. the poor little president was practically forced into it. what a noble sacrifice to make! please excuse me, i've got to go get some kleenex.

Ok. I have come to the conclusion that your beef is that of the Democrat vs Republican thing which IM not of either party. ANd I also assume that you have extremely limited knowledge of anything prior to the past 5-10 years and you probably receive the brunt of your political and world news from Jon Stewart

[Crimson Kicker8]

yet the conservatives on this board want to keep telling me that somehow their guys are above that. when i provide examples, they provide excuses.

It might help your case a bit if you found some better examples.

[zartan]

Ok. I have come to the conclusion that your beef is that of the Democrat vs Republican thing which IM not of either party. ANd I also assume that you have extremely limited knowledge of anything prior to the past 5-10 years and you probably receive the brunt of your political and world news from Jon Stewart
oh, I'm also a Keebler elf. you left that part out.:blink: :brick:

[GeauxTo]

Intersting stuff...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe0frz7_xrk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFk3MOhnJo4&eurl=http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOtsJufVs5Y&feature=related

[zartan]

It might help your case a bit if you found some better examples.
meaning examples of Democrats cavorting with tyrants and bigots, no doubt.

seriously, Hagee isn't batsh*t-crazy enough for you?...

[Crimson Kicker8]

I won't name a friend of a candidate. I will name you a candidate.


George W. Bush. Worst thing that has happened to this country since the depression. His attack on civil liberties, the economy, our foreign policy reputation and his plain stupidity has been a disservice to this country.


Great example, too bad it had nothing to do with the topic at hand. Ohh, wait wait wait, I've heard this one. The Bush administration master-minded 9/11 in order to pass laws that would allow Dick Cheney to listen in on phone conversations so he could know what color underwear we're all wearing. This lead to the open torture of poor innocent Jihadists by pouring water on them, so often that it happened 3 times in the last 5 years. Consequently, this paves the way for an illegal invasion of Iraq (never mind the UN and it's resolutions) wherein the Bush administration could not duplicate the WMD's it was preaching about to the American public. They were smart enough and evil enough to allow 9/11 to happen, just not smart enough to plant fake weapons in order to legitimize the invasion. Gas prices then soared due to Bush, Cheney, and Halliburton pocketing the difference, knowing that the American people would never notice paying $3.00 at the pump. Yes, I've heard all about how Bush's stupidtiy has led to the most diabolical presidency in history, because that makes sense.

[timNem]

oh, I'm also a Keebler elf. you left that part out.:blink: :brick:

I know but I did get your pic the other day at the grocery store :thumpsup:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f357/FSUDave/keebler_elf.jpg

[zartan]

that was you? please don't tell my manager i'm a liberal. he'll replace me with a cheaper Mexican elf...

[GetEmGamecocks]

Great example, too bad it had nothing to do with the topic at hand. Ohh, wait wait wait, I've heard this one. The Bush administration master-minded 9/11 in order to pass laws that would allow Dick Cheney to listen in on phone conversations so he could know what color underwear we're all wearing. This lead to the open torture of poor innocent Jihadists by pouring water on them, so often that it happened 3 times in the last 5 years. Consequently, this paves the way for an illegal invasion of Iraq (never mind the UN and it's resolutions) wherein the Bush administration could not duplicate the WMD's it was preaching about to the American public. They were smart enough and evil enough to allow 9/11 to happen, just not smart enough to plant fake weapons in order to legitimize the invasion. Gas prices then soared due to Bush, Cheney, and Halliburton pocketing the difference, knowing that the American people would never notice paying $3.00 at the pump. Yes, I've heard all about how Bush's stupidtiy has led to the most diabolical presidency in history, because that makes sense.

Huh? This is what he said: "His attack on civil liberties, the economy, our foreign policy reputation and his plain stupidity"

The economy and our foreign policy rep can be blamed on the war. The Patriot Act is the civil liberties point, and the plain stupidity I think we can all agree on. All you did was talk about a 9/11 conspiracy...good one, NOT.

[shk999]

Damn Chalkasions! Lookin like a bunch of light bulbs walking around in their tennis shoes. Chalky loves to ski dont-cha, like a white wing dove sounds like she's singin'...ooh baby, ohh! Burn the damn ski's!

[UKat]

meaning examples of Democrats cavorting with tyrants and bigots, no doubt.

seriously, Hagee isn't batsh*t-crazy enough for you?... Hagee isn't running for President of the United States lol.........man you gotta do better than that. I think your in over your head now...............stop before you drown.

[zartan]

Hagee isn't running for President of the United States lol.........man you gotta do better than that. I think your in over your head now...............stop before you drown.
and Obama's pastor is? and I've got to do better? hellooooo! are you paying attention?

[UKat]

and Obama's pastor is? and I've got to do better? hellooooo! are you paying attention?No, but Obama is......he's the one that wouldn't place his hand over his heart, he's the one that attends a church that pushes to be separate racially and talk down whites, he's the one that is good friends with Farahkhan, Rev. Wright, jailed muslims........let's compare apples to apples sir. Again your comment was pointing to Hagee, as if he were running for office.

Here is your qoute.........."meaning examples of Democrats cavorting with tyrants and bigots, no doubt.

seriously, Hagee isn't batsh*t-crazy enough for you?...".

[Crimson Kicker8]

I know but I did get your pic the other day at the grocery store :thumpsup:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f357/FSUDave/keebler_elf.jpg


Mmmmm, those cookies look gooooooooood :eating:

[Crimson Kicker8]

Hey tim, I just caught the portion of your signature with the Google search engine, priceless my friend, priceless.

[zartan]

No, but Obama is......he's the one that wouldn't place his hand over his heart, he's the one that attends a church that pushes to be separate racially and talk down whites, he's the one that is good friends with Farahkhan, Rev. Wright, jailed muslims........let's compare apples to apples sir. Again your comment was pointing to Hagee, as if he were running for office.

Here is your qoute.........."meaning examples of Democrats cavorting with tyrants and bigots, no doubt.

seriously, Hagee isn't batsh*t-crazy enough for you?...".
...and the reason I'm pointing to Hagee is because he supports McCain, who is running for president. i'm not going to repeat everything i already said in this thread; you clearly jumped in late and don't have any idea what i'm talking about. please stay on the right side of the freeway.

[Crimson Kicker8]

and the plain stupidity I think we can all agree on.

No GetEm, because then we would all be socialists; thinking, breathing, and failing as one. You may find that appealing but not I. As for the rest of my post, it was pointing out the over-used and overly mundane talking points that the left has been preaching about Bush for years. Talk about taking dullard to a whole new level, sheesh :azz:

[WarEagle73]

...and the reason I'm pointing to Hagee is because he supports McCain, who is running for president. i'm not going to repeat everything i already said in this thread; you clearly jumped in late and don't have any idea what i'm talking about. please stay on the right side of the freeway.


Can you not see the difference between McCain & Hagee vs. Obama and Wright. Hagee is just some guy that has endorsed McCain whereas Obama and Wright have been close for years. Obama himself has said in the past that Wright has been a big influence on him. Wright was in Obama's inner circle on his presidential campaign. Now I ask you how can someone have this close of a relationship with someone, attended their church for years, go so far to write a book inspired by a sermon this guy gave, and still claim that he had no idea this guy held these views?

I understand you are a liberal, that's fine. but does being a liberal mean you have surrendered your free will and common sense? Can you not see a what damage it would do to the fabric of this country were we to raise to the Presidency someone that has had such close ties to a man that clearly hates this country and the entire white race? As I've said before when a black person hates white people it's just as racist as when a white person hates black people. We need neither in power.

Would you spend this much time defending Hillary Clinton where it to come to light that she was a member of a church that blamed this country for 9/11 or where the preacher railed against the evil of the black race? What if she went to a church were the church charter pledged the church's sole allegiance to the "mother country" Europe?

[zartan]

Can you not see the difference between McCain & Hagee vs. Obama and Wright. Hagee is just some guy that has endorsed McCain whereas Obama and Wright have been close for years. Obama himself has said in the past that Wright has been a big influence on him. Wright was in Obama's inner circle on his presidential campaign. Now I ask you how can someone have this close of a relationship with someone, attended their church for years, go so far to write a book inspired by a sermon this guy gave, and still claim that he had no idea this guy held these views?

I understand you are a liberal, that's fine. but does being a liberal mean you have surrendered your free will and common sense? Can you not see a what damage it would do to the fabric of this country were we to raise to the Presidency someone that has had such close ties to a man that clearly hates this country and the entire white race? As I've said before when a black person hates white people it's just as racist as when a white person hates black people. We need neither in power.

Would you spend this much time defending Hillary Clinton where it to come to light that she was a member of a church that blamed this country for 9/11 or where the preacher railed against the evil of the black race? What if she went to a church were the church charter pledged the church's sole allegiance to the "mother country" Europe?
i'll tell you the difference between Obama and Mccain. Obama said he disapproves of what pastor Wright has said and had tried to distance himself from the man. Wright has been cut loose from the campaign. McCain hasn't even renounced Hagee's endorsement, he just says ""in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee's views, which I obviously do not."

now i don't hold what Hagee has said against McCain, why should anybody hold what Wright says against Obama? anyone who does is a hypocrite at best...

[azamugg]

you are totally wrong and totally oblivious and totally beyond help

[WarEagle73]

i'll tell you the difference between Obama and Mccain. Obama said he disapproves of what pastor Wright has said and had tried to distance himself from the man. Wright has been cut loose from the campaign. McCain hasn't even renounced Hagee's endorsement, he just says ""in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee's views, which I obviously do not."

now i don't hold what Hagee has said against McCain, why should anybody hold what Wright says against Obama? anyone who does is a hypocrite at best...


How can you equeate this guy to McCain when there is no relationship between either of them to Obama and his years of this Wright guy being in his inner circle. for goodness sakes man, THINK!!!!!!!

Keep drinking that Kool-aid. This is going nowhere.

:pullingou

[FightinTiger71]

I'm a Republican but following any party with blind allegiance is like being a lemming running off a cliff....

I think I should be elected President......every day of my tenure will be dedicated to improving college sports, mainly the SEC. I stand on a platform of every red blooded American male should have 2 Victoria's Secret caliber models waiting for him when he gets home from drinking and watching football/baseball/basketball/NASCAR/etc.....As for crime and punishment, if you commit an act such as murder, you will be sentenced to watch Kirk Herbstreit, Sean Salisbury and Mark May constantly for the rest of your life...

AND THE BCS WILL BE REPLACED WITH A PLAYOFF SYSTEM.....

FightinTiger71 for President in 2008!!

[zartan]

How can you equeate this guy to McCain when there is no relationship between either of them to Obama and his years of this Wright guy being in his inner circle. for goodness sakes man, THINK!!!!!!!

Keep drinking that Kool-aid. This is going nowhere.

:pullingou
but there IS a relationship between Hagee and McCain. Hagee's views have been known about for some time, and McCain sought his endorsement for over a year. When he was questioned about it, he wouldn't renonunce the endorsement. If anything, that's worse than Obama. McCain knows his guy's a loon, but will prostitute himself for votes and the supposedly liberal media lets him get away with it.

now, on the other hand, Farrakhan wanted to support Obama but was renounced by the campaign.

want some kool-aid? why don't you THINK?!!!!!

[WarEagle73]

but there IS a relationship between Hagee and McCain. Hagee's views have been known about for some time, and McCain sought his endorsement for over a year. When he was questioned about it, he wouldn't renonunce the endorsement. If anything, that's worse than Obama. McCain knows his guy's a loon, but will prostitute himself for votes and the supposedly liberal media lets him get away with it.

now, on the other hand, Farrakhan wanted to support Obama but was renounced by the campaign.

want some kool-aid? why don't you THINK?!!!!!

Wright has the same views as Farrakhan and yet Obama joined his church, had him perform his wedding, baptize his children, and put him on his presidential election committee as one of his closest advisors. The only reason he didn't allow Farrakhan on his election is that Obama knew that everyone knew about him whereas he figured Wright would not cause him this much political damage.

Also, give me some examples of McCain seeking this nut job's endorsement for over a year. Also, I want to see where this guy calls blacks or any group evil and identifies them as his enemy. Show me where this guy gives his allegiance to another country (or continent) give me some examples where he spouts crazy conspiracy theories that the US government is attempting to eradicate any ethnic group.

[zartan]

Hagee on Hurricane Katrina "All hurricanes are acts of God because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that." [NPR Fresh Air, 9/18/06]

Hagee on Islamic Beliefs
Fresh Air host Terry Gross asked if Hagee believed that "all Muslims have a mandate to kill Christians and Jews," to which Hagee replied, "Well, the Quran teaches that. Yes, it teaches that very clearly." [NPR Fresh Air, 9/18/06]

Hagee on African-Americans
The San Antonio Express-News reported that Hagee was going to "meet with black religious leaders privately at an unspecified future date to discuss comments he made in his newsletter about a 'slave sale,' an East Side minister said Wednesday." The Express-News reported:

"Hagee, pastor of the 16,000-member Cornerstone Church, last week had announced a 'slave sale' to raise funds for high school seniors in his church bulletin, 'The Cluster.'

"The item was introduced with the sentence 'Slavery in America is returning to Cornerstone" and ended with "Make plans to come and go home with a slave." [San Antonio Express-News 3/7/96]

Hagee on Catholicism
"Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews." [Jerusalem Countdown by John Hagee]

Hagee on Women
"Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick. Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist." [God's Profits: Faith, Fraud and the Republican Crusade for Values Voters, Sarah Posner]

"[T]he feminist movement today is throwing off authority in rebellion against God's pattern for the family." ["Bible Positions on Political Issues," John Hagee]

Hagee on LGBT Americans
"The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing. I know that there are people who demur from that, but I believe that the Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the day of judgment." [NPR Fresh Air, 9/18/06]

Hagee on Iran
"The coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty," Hagee wrote [in 2006] in the Pentecostal magazine Charisma. "Israel and America must confront Iran's nuclear ability and willingness to destroy Israel with nuclear weapons. For Israel to wait is to risk committing national suicide." [The Nation, 8/8/2006]

The blog posts below tell the basic story, and via links in each, open a window onto the whole weird world of John Hagee, John McCain, and Hagee's Christians United for Israel. (There are even cameo appearances by John McCain's favorite ex-Democrat, Joe Leiberman).

Bruce Wilson reported on how Hagee blames Jews for the Holocaust:

In "Jerusalem Countdown: A Prelude To war" Hagee has stated that Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves by rebelling against God and that the Holocaust was God's way of forcing Jews to move to Israel where, Hagee predicts according to his interpretation of Biblical scripture, they will be mostly killed in the apocalyptic Mideast conflict Hagee's new lobbying group seems to be working to provoke and which John Hagee believes to be a necessary precondition for the "Rapture" that will lift Christians, but not Jews, bodily into Heaven to enjoy physical immortality amidst paradise.
Over the past year, frequent and generally favorable media coverage of a new US national political lobbying group, "Christians United For Israel", and its outspoken founder Texas megachurch pastor John Hagee has helped cement Hagee's brand recognition as a steadfast friend to Israel and has cast a favorable light on his new CUFI lobbying group that is designed to flex the political muscles of tens of millions of American evangelicals, ostensibly on Israel's behalf.

Max Blumenthal writes by way of introduction to his video about Hagee's Christians United for Israel conference in Washington, DC last summer:

I have covered the Christian right intensely for over four years. During this time, I attended dozens of Christian right conferences, regularly monitored movement publications and radio shows, and interviewed scores of its key leaders. I have never witnessed any spectacle as politically extreme, outrageous, or bizarre as the one Christians United for Israel produced last week in Washington.

Bartholomew reports that none other than John McCain was also at the CUFI conference, courting Hagee's support -- and telling him what he wanted to hear.

Bruce Wilson reported that McCain quietly met with Hagee in early 2007.

[timNem]

WOW!!! Hagee should be hanged for all that :unsure:

[SeanVol]

Hey, Obama's Pastor and Hagee should get together.

[RW13]

Any chance (which was so slim anyways) that Obama had of me voting for him were entirely erased today by his speech. He is, as far as I'm concernced, a racist as well. Black people don't get a free pass on racism, they can be just as guilty as KKK members....

[azamugg]

if as a politician you truly believed what he said why would you CHOOSE to go to a church that promotes the opposite...........you are what you eat

[GeauxTo]

Michael Reisig is the editor of the paper The Polk County Pulse in Mena, Arkansas, where he wrote this article. I have heard some of these things before about Obama, but Michael put a different angle on it.

This was in the paper on February 20, 2008...


President Obama. ? ? ? ? By Michael Reisig

Well, having observed the progress of the Democrat and Republican Primaries I would have to say at this point, America is probably close to electing Barak Hussein Obama as its next president. I understand the need for change – but for all my observation of Obama I have yet to hear any decisive, detailed plans - it all seems to be continual rhetoric on the concept of change.

It's all rather a puzzlement to me, and more than anything I think this phenomena is representative of the new Survivor/ American Idol consciousness (where the bizarre is applauded as reality and image is more important than substance), and it is undoubtedly brought about by the overwhelming dissatisfaction Americans have for a government that has cheated, lied and stolen from them for at least the last two generations.

But for minorities, and in particular blacks, this election represents a moment of long-awaited validation. There is no question that the election of an African-American president will empower the blacks of this country. Don't misunderstand me - this is not a racist statement, this is just a fact, and in many respects this could be a good thing. But there is no denying the sense of audacious rebellion that constantly simmers in much of the black community, particularly with the youth of the large metropolitan areas. I have some concern that the election of a black president will take us back to a consciousness that promotes the power of race over intelligence, reason, and the value of law, and that this may divide black and whites more than uniting them. I hope that I'm wrong.

Obama speaks a lot about a uniting of black and white America, but the church he has attended for years would contradict that. Although you won't hear much of this on national television, one has but to go to Obama's church of choice, Trinity United Church of Christ (go to the website to check for yourself) to find , and I quote, 'An unabashedly black congregation with a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. 'An African people, 'true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.'

Nowhere in the website is America even mentioned. Can you imagine if one of the other white candidates for president were a member of a church that declared itself 'unashamedly white?' What would the media have done to them already?

I was also startled by a number of the points in Trinity United Church's 10-Point Vision:

*A congregation with a Non-negotiable Commitment to Africa.
*A congregation committed to Cultural Education (Africa).
*A congregation committed to the Historical Education of African People in Diaspora.
*A congregation committed to Liberation.
*A congregation committed to Restoration. (Could this mean restitution?)


In addition, Trinity's senior pastor Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., is considered by many to be a black racist, who, without question, preaches radical Afro-centric theology. It appears, by affiliation, that we have a man who wants to be president of America while much of his loyalty is invested in black Africa.

But there is also a deeper, perhaps darker consequence in terms of America and its multi-national population when we consider Mr. Obama as our new leader. Investigations have shown that Obama's father and stepfather were devout Islamics. Both faithfully practiced their religion. His stepfather, who had a much greater impact on Obama's upbringing, was a radical Wahabbi Muslim. Obama's mother married Lolo Soetoro, a Wahabbi extremist who lived in Indonesia. When Obama's mother moved to Indonesia – before she married her second Muslim husband - she enrolled her son in Francis Assisis Catholic School. He was enrolled as a Muslim because he was a Muslim.

Obama's campaign website has been hailed as a testament to the candidate's transformative politics. But at least part of the senator's online outreach, 'Muslim Americans for Obama '08' proposes installing Muslim prayer areas in public places and giving Muslims time off for prayer, and has denounced Obama's colleagues in the U.S. Senate who happen to be Jewish.

Further troubling are the issues and solutions on this site:

1. A Law against harassment of Muslim women wearing Hijab at the Airport, DMV and other public arenas.
2. Institute a Law to allow Muslim Employees to take an hour off from work for FridayJummah Prayer.
3. Make the 2 Eid's (Muslim festivals), recognized National Holidays on Calendars with days off from work.
4. Optional Halal meals in federal building, public schools and colleges.
5. Provide prayer areas suitable for Salah and Jummah, in public and private facilities. (i.e. Malls, Airports, Universities and government buildings.)
6. Organize a Muslim America n group to assist in recommendations for US foreign policy affecting majority Muslim Countries.

I have to wonder how many encampments of Islamic extremists hidden in the hills of Afghanistan and quiet rooms of Baghdad and Tehran listen to the news of America's primary elections with unadulterated glee, considering first, that we may have a president who has virtually no experience in managing a government, or attending to military/ international affairs, and secondly; the chance (as remote as it is) of a quasi-Muslim president of the United States.

Think of the possibilities. I have sent this to almost everyone I know. If you agree with this, I hope you will do the same, or at least make sure you vote. It really scares me to think of Obama being president. It's time we as Christians stand up and let our voices be heard.


WAKE UP .......... Let's stop being the silent majority.

[UKat]

...and the reason I'm pointing to Hagee is because he supports McCain, who is running for president. i'm not going to repeat everything i already said in this thread; you clearly jumped in late and don't have any idea what i'm talking about. please stay on the right side of the freeway.Oh, I fully understand what your talkin about, trying to compare Hagee with the friggin Africa loving, white hating, USA hating Rev. Wright is like comparing Jesus to Satan.......Get real.

[UKat]

Can you not see the difference between McCain & Hagee vs. Obama and Wright. Hagee is just some guy that has endorsed McCain whereas Obama and Wright have been close for years. Obama himself has said in the past that Wright has been a big influence on him. Wright was in Obama's inner circle on his presidential campaign. Now I ask you how can someone have this close of a relationship with someone, attended their church for years, go so far to write a book inspired by a sermon this guy gave, and still claim that he had no idea this guy held these views?

I understand you are a liberal, that's fine. but does being a liberal mean you have surrendered your free will and common sense? Can you not see a what damage it would do to the fabric of this country were we to raise to the Presidency someone that has had such close ties to a man that clearly hates this country and the entire white race? As I've said before when a black person hates white people it's just as racist as when a white person hates black people. We need neither in power.

Would you spend this much time defending Hillary Clinton where it to come to light that she was a member of a church that blamed this country for 9/11 or where the preacher railed against the evil of the black race? What if she went to a church were the church charter pledged the church's sole allegiance to the "mother country" Europe?He can't see it........most liberals are so guilt ridden over slavery which they had nothing to do with want to use this as their redeeming cause. There is no winning an argument with them. Read my signature.....it says it all.

[UKat]

i'll tell you the difference between Obama and Mccain. Obama said he disapproves of what pastor Wright has said and had tried to distance himself from the man. Wright has been cut loose from the campaign. McCain hasn't even renounced Hagee's endorsement, he just says ""in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee's views, which I obviously do not."

now i don't hold what Hagee has said against McCain, why should anybody hold what Wright says against Obama? anyone who does is a hypocrite at best...And when have you heard Hagee speak hatred towards Blacks? Speak of the U.S.A. as evil and deserving of 9/11? When have you heard him accuse a race of giving a race drugs to bring them down? I don't think you have....it is no comparison.

[zartan]

And when have you heard Hagee speak hatred towards Blacks? Speak of the U.S.A. as evil and deserving of 9/11? When have you heard him accuse a race of giving a race drugs to bring them down? I don't think you have....it is no comparison.
if you read the quotes i posted in this thread you will see that Hagee:
-said Katrina was retribution from God for homosexuals (homophobia: check)
-said the Jews brought their persecution upon themselves by worshipping the wrong God (anti-Semitism: check)
-said the Quran compels all Muslims to kill Jews and Christians (bigotry: check)
-compares feminists to dogs (misogyny: check)
-claims the Catholic Church was in league with Hitler in trying to exterminate the Jews (anti-Catholicism: check)

these views were widely published and McCain sought the man's endorsement anyway. if you want to brush this aside, then you're a hypocrite. if you say that what hagee said wasn't that bad, that speaks volumes about your character.

[azamugg]

wanna see some pictures of Rummy shaking hands with Hussein? perhaps a nice photo of GWB hand-in-hand with members of the House of Saud? how about a quote from Reagan praising the mujahideen as 'freedom fighters'?

no, I wanna see pictures of your dick...............cuz I don't think you gots one

[zartan]

no, I wanna see pictures of your dick...............cuz I don't think you gots one
does your family know you cruise the internet asking men to expose themselves to you?

[RW13]

does your family know you cruise the internet asking men to expose themselves to you?

He makes the damn rules in his family, so they get no say over what he does. IMO, that's how it should be, men should reassert themselves in the 21st century family dynamic.....

[zartan]

He makes the damn rules in his family, so they get no say over what he does. IMO, that's how it should be, men should reassert themselves in the 21st century family dynamic.....
i see. well, trading dirty photos with strangers really isn't my thing. if you're such a fan of what he said, send Aza a PM, perhaps you two can meet up and "reassert" yourselves after dinner and a movie.

[RW13]

i see. well, trading dirty photos with strangers really isn't my thing. if you're such a fan of what he said, send Aza a PM, perhaps you two can meet up and "reassert" yourselves after dinner and a movie.

Tone is everything in interpreting message board posts......

[azamugg]

He makes the damn rules in his family, so they get no say over what he does. IMO, that's how it should be, men should reassert themselves in the 21st century family dynamic.....



God, you crack me up

[RW13]

Just trying to lighten up the thread, this Zartan guy is so lost in his Left-Wing doctrine that it is like yelling at a brick wall..........Down with whitey!!

[zartan]

Just trying to lighten up the thread, this Zartan guy is so lost in his Left-Wing doctrine that it is like yelling at a brick wall..........Down with whitey!!
apparently you missed two pages ago when i likened myself to a Keebler elf....

[SeattleGamecocks]

apparently you missed two pages ago when i likened myself to a Keebler elf....

1 of only 3 jobs available to elves

[shk999]

Zartan says...i'll tell you the difference between Obama and Mccain. Obama said he disapproves of what pastor Wright has said and had tried to distance himself from the man. Wright has been cut loose from the campaign.

Earth to Zartan, come in Zartan. He attended his church for over 20 yrs, let him perform his marriage ceremony and baptise his kid. Why would he do that if he "disapproves" of Wright's message? The only reason he has recently tried to "distance himself" from Wright is because his advisors told him too. Turns out hate speech and racism dont translate to votes otherwise he would still be yelling "amen" everytime the good Rev takes a shot at white America. Period.

[zartan]

Zartan says...

Earth to Zartan, come in Zartan. He attended his church for over 20 yrs, let him perform his marriage ceremony and baptise his kid. Why would he do that if he "disapproves" of Wright's message? The only reason he has recently tried to "distance himself" from Wright is because his advisors told him too. Turns out hate speech and racism dont translate to votes otherwise he would still be yelling "amen" everytime the good Rev takes a shot at white America. Period.
obama said he had never heard him use such incendiary words before and that if he had, he would have let it be known that he did not agree. he has since cut the guy loose. i see that many people here don't believe obama when he says that. that's fine, but in the interest of equal time i would like to point out that mccain actively sought out his bigot and then refused to apologize when people were outraged.

i fully admit that Pastor Wright is an overzealous nutball and if Obama hadn't cut bait and apologized, i too would be outraged. however, i have catalogued the things that Hagee has said and have not received the slightest acknowledgement from anyone on this board that it is even wrong. am i to take it that no one is offended because Pastor Wright singled out white America and Hagee picked on Catholics, Muslims, Jews, gays, and feminists? does Hagee say things you all are afraid to say yourselves or are you all just partisan hypocrites, or both?

[shk999]

You have me all wrong Zartan, I never said im pro Mccain, im just anti Obama. I used to think he was a better option than Hillary but now I would take her in a second. When it does come time for me to vote, it wont be a vote for Mccain as much as it will be a vote against Obama. Not because he is black, because there are too many question marks about him. At least you know Hillary has done her homework. As for Obama not knowing about Wright, thats insane, even you cant say you honestly believe that. The man visited Khadafi with Louis Farrakhan. I also noticed that one of the videos of him ranting was dated 2001 so its not like he just started behaving this way a month or two ago. Dont believe anything anyone of these people say, their job is to lie to your face. Obama knew what he was all about and obviously agreed with it and futhermore if nobody was talking about this, he would be sitting there Sunday.

[zartan]

You have me all wrong Zartan, I never said im pro Mccain, im just anti Obama. I used to think he was a better option than Hillary but now I would take her in a second. When it does come time for me to vote, it wont be a vote for Mccain as much as it will be a vote against Obama. Not because he is black, because there are too many question marks about him. At least you know Hillary has done her homework. As for Obama not knowing about Wright, thats insane, even you cant say you honestly believe that. The man visited Khadafi with Louis Farrakhan. I also noticed that one of the videos of him ranting was dated 2001 so its not like he just started behaving this way a month or two ago. Dont believe anything anyone of these people say, their job is to lie to your face. Obama knew what he was all about and obviously agreed with it and futhermore if nobody was talking about this, he would be sitting there Sunday.
fair enough. it might surprise some to know this, but I'm not an Obama supporter myself. my problem with him is that there still isn't enough substance yet. as for what Obama's pastor said, I do believe what Obama said (sorry) and he renounced both the Pastor and his message, so I can't hold that against him. i don't hold what Ferraro said against Hillary. I don't even hold what Hagee said against McCain--I'm just using it to show that it happens on both sides of the aisle.

[M2J]

This is hilarious to me, I need to take the time to read this whole thing (probably won't).

[ColonelKurtz]

I too find this thread hilarious. We have a barely 40 year old newbie Senator elected by Federal Welfare teet sucking Socialists in a Rust Belt State that has NEVER made a payroll, staffed a company, or gained a loan for a home on his own, yet he's very close to being the nominee for President. Whoever said that America wasn't the Land of Opportunity needs to backup! Now, as we close in on the finality of all this campaigning, the dirty laundry squad will expose this well voiced speaker as the piece of human excrement that he truly is.....sad thing is that the bitch running against him is a skank whore.

Obama is a Mack-Daddy who is nothing but TRASH! According to this anyway, ENJOY!:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

[azamugg]

how many more threads are