Two Ethical Questions

[GeauxTo]

Two Ethical Questions
Q1: If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis; would you recommend that she have an abortion?

Read the next question before scrolling down to the answer of this one.

Q2: It is time to elect the world leader, and your vote counts.

Here are the facts about the three leading candidates:

* Candidate A: Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologists. He's had two mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.

* Candidate B: He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.

* Candidate C: He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and hasn't had any extramarital affairs.


Which of these candidates would be your choice?

Decide first, then scroll down for the answer.









































Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt

Candidate B is Winston Churchill

Candidate C is Adolph Hitler

.....and by the way:

Answer to the abortion question - if you said yes, you just
killed Beethoven.

[nellanaesp]

I hate you, Geaux. :lol: j/k...

[Sabanocchio]

Hitler's extra-marital affairs are well documented, Geaux.

[cocky4ever]

Are they? Hitler and his wife committed suicide less than 48 hours after getting married. That doesnt leave much time to cheat....hell, thats not even enough time for a honeymoon. He probably cheated on her, but not while they were married. Still doesnt make it any better though.

[the Prodigy]

Haha.... I RULE! I said yes, because, I'm a F*cking musical prodigy and I knew that Sh#t already! Beethoven rules. and yes, he went deaf. He was a crazy F--K.

And I picked B. because he sounded like a man of principle. Any one who can get kicked out of office once and get elected again must stand for something. Something so strong that people can get him kicked out - corrupt people. And he can be elected again. Yeah, that is my kind of guy. He was also a poet, and musician.

[the Prodigy]

Hitler's extra-marital affairs are well documented, Geaux.

If you ask the right people so are Houston Nutt's. Hitler wasn't married much longer than 2 days. And he was in a bunker with his wife the whole time and then they committed suicide together.

[Sabanocchio]

Are they? Hitler and his wife committed suicide less than 48 hours after getting married. That doesnt leave much time to cheat....hell, thats not even enough time for a honeymoon. He probably cheated on her, but not while they were married. Still doesnt make it any better though.

Hitler had mistresses outside of wedlock. Geli Raubal was one, Ava Braun was the one you referred to. I take extra-marital affairs to mean affairs outside of wedlock. JMO.

My point is that you can always twist facts and omit things to try and make a demonstrative point.

[azamugg]

Haha.... I RULE! I said yes, because, I'm a F*cking musical prodigy and I knew that Sh#t already! Beethoven rules. and yes, he went deaf. He was a crazy F--K.

And I picked B. because he sounded like a man of principle. Any one who can get kicked out of office once and get elected again must stand for something. Something so strong that people can get him kicked out - corrupt people. And he can be elected again. Yeah, that is my kind of guy. He was also a poet, and musician.



like Marion Barry?

[Tennessee Ted]

I think what is more important than the person is the person's views. Personally I like and admire John McCain, but I am not voting against him personally, I am voting against the Republican party and it's views.

[GatorBait15]

that was pretty sweet goto thanks

[The Ramp]

good..i hate elevator music

[bigsexxxy]

good..i hate elevator music

Beethoven's 9th is definitely not elevator music.

[The Ramp]

Beethoven's 9th is definitely not elevator music.

sorry someone said beethoven

:zzzz:

[azamugg]

I think what is more important than the person is the person's views. Personally I like and admire John McCain, but I am not voting against him personally, I am voting against the Republican party and it's views.

what views specifically if I may inquire?

[the Prodigy]

what views specifically if I may inquire?

Well... the economy is in the toilet. Unemployment is on the rise, the residential construction market has all but crashed into the ocean. Oh, and there is a war going on that is doing nothing but costing the United States money and lives. It certainly hasn't helped gas prices. When Roosevelt said we should "Speak softly and carry a big stick." I don't think this is what he had in mind.

[Sabanocchio]

Well... the economy is in the toilet. Unemployment is on the rise, the residential construction market has all but crashed into the ocean. Oh, and there is a war going on that is doing nothing but costing the United States money and lives. It certainly hasn't helped gas prices. When Roosevelt said we should "Speak softly and carry a big stick." I don't think this is what he had in mind.

That's a mighty-fine post. +rep when I can give it. You are maturing as a poster before our very eyes, RP. :laugh:

[azamugg]

Well... the economy is in the toilet. Unemployment is on the rise, the residential construction market has all but crashed into the ocean. Oh, and there is a war going on that is doing nothing but costing the United States money and lives. It certainly hasn't helped gas prices. When Roosevelt said we should "Speak softly and carry a big stick." I don't think this is what he had in mind.



did the president have much to do with the subprime mtg bottoming out, this has started a snowball effect and that coupled with real estate running at a dangerously prosperous level for a record 15 yrs meaning a correction is inevitable, even necessary.........the two obviously affect residential construction..........all the while we've experienced unemployment less than 5.5%, healthy GDP up until last quarter, the same quarter first producing the first inflation higher than expected...........the War as has every before it is indeed costing money but no more lives than are normally lost in a year of non combat

I asked Ted for particular views not current conditions to be misappropriated

[the Prodigy]

did the president have much to do with the subprime mtg botteming out, this has started a snowball effect and that coupled with real estate running at a dangerously prosperous level for a record 15 yrs meaning a correction is inevitable, even necessary.........the two obviously affect residential construction..........all the while we've experienced unemployment less than 5.5%, healthy GDP up until last quarter, the same quarter first producing the first inflation higher than expected...........the War as has every before it is indeed costing money but no more lives than are normally lost in a year of non combat

I asked Ted for particular views not current conditions to be misappropriated

Look, I'm not into politics. I'm not democratic, republican, or an independent wacko, but I do pay attention to things. Trends in the US political scene has led me to the conclusion that things work the best when you have a democratic president and a republican house; things SEEM the best when you have a democratic president and a democratic house; and wars and sh*t happen when the republicans control everything, the rich get richer and the poor poorer. You can cite stats and abbreviations all day. Democrats will still be democrats and republicans will still be republicans. In the end, neither of them have the answer, because the problems are still here, and they never go away.

You want to know why only 32% of Americans care enough to vote? Because they are the homers. Homers vote. There is about 6% of people who actually weigh the candidates, the rest of people already know, today, who they would vote for. All I know is that I see good things when democratic presidents are in office and republicans control the house. When Republicans get into the white house.... sh*t goes down. I don't like war. I don't like emancipating countries from "supposed" oppression: though that isn't the reason this war was started.

You have to give a little to get anything. Republicans don't want to give jack. Democrats don't have anything to give and so they don't get anything in return. That is what every political race that has ever been run in this country boils down to.

[azamugg]

Look, I'm not into politics. I'm not democratic, republican, or an independent wacko, but I do pay attention to things. Trends in the US political scene has led me to the conclusion that things work the best when you have a democratic president and a republican house; things SEEM the best when you have a democratic president and a democratic house; and wars and sh*t happen when the republicans control everything, the rich get richer and the poor poorer. You can cite stats and abbreviations all day. Democrats will still be democrats and republicans will still be republicans. In the end, neither of them have the answer, because the problems are still here, and they never go away.

You want to know why only 32% of Americans care enough to vote? Because they are the homers. Homers vote. There is about 6% of people who actually weigh the candidates, the rest of people already know, today, who they would vote for. All I know is that I see good things when democratic presidents are in office and republicans control the house. When Republicans get into the white house.... sh*t goes down. I don't like war. I don't like emancipating countries from "supposed" oppression: though that isn't the reason this war was started.

You have to give a little to get anything. Republicans don't want to give jack. Democrats don't have anything to give and so they don't get anything in return. That is what every political race that has ever been run in this country boils down to.



I understand your post and that you didnt realize I was, neutrally pointing out something you admitted to not knowing and thats "stats" and stuff....

Im not a declared Libertarian but wouldnt be offended if you called me one so I don't defend or tear down parties, just philosophies

[the Prodigy]

I understand your post and that you didnt realize I was, neutrally pointing out something you admitted to not knowing and thats "stats" and stuff....

Im not a declared Libertarian but wouldnt be offended if you called me one so I don't defend or tear down parties, just philosophies

The only governmental models I'm in favor of will never come to fruition the way things are. Theocracy and Enlightened Monarchy. Since I tend to favor the absurd and unlikely, it's probably a good thing I'm not into politics.

[Tennessee Ted]

what views specifically if I may inquire?

You can pretty much name a view of the Republicans and I am against it. Taxation, abortion, environment, security, education are all views that I differ on with the Republican party. Education is one aspect we do not discuss on this board, but I can tell you there are not many teachers that are happy with No Child Left Behind. We are relying too much on high stakes testing instead of actual teaching in order to "keep up with the world," but I think if this continues we will loose an American trait of free thinking.

[the Prodigy]

You can pretty much name a view of the Republicans and I am against it. Taxation, abortion, environment, security, education are all views that I differ on with the Republican party. Education is one aspect we do not discuss on this board, but I can tell you there are not many teachers that are happy with No Child Left Behind. We are relying too much on high stakes testing instead of actual teaching in order to "keep up with the world," but I think if this continues we will loose an American trait of free thinking.


It's a lot like sports. The athletes are usually most drawin to the sports where they get PAID. The same is true for the rest of us. Teachers aren't getting paid. You pay them like doctors and you will get more quality teaching from them. It's a cycle.

[Tennessee Ted]

It's a lot like sports. The athletes are usually most drawin to the sports where they get PAID. The same is true for the rest of us. Teachers aren't getting paid. You pay them like doctors and you will get more quality teaching from them. It's a cycle.

I think teachers are paid decently enough for what they do considering they only work 9 months out of the year. I think teachers care about teaching and take a lower scale of pay because they like what they do, so I think their opinion in the matter is pretty valid. My point has nothing to do with teacher's pay. Although it is part of the No Child Left Behind mentality. They think that if you put a carrot in front of a teacher of better pay if their students test better then the quality of teaching goes up.

The logic here is absurd for a couple of reasons. First, the quality of the education is going down because teachers are teaching towards a test instead of actual teaching. I think of teaching as building analytic ability in our students to make them thinkers or problem solvers. Secondly, teachers can only do so much with the students they are given. One teacher teaching in the suburbs makes more money because his kids who have all the support in the world test well when on the other hand another teacher who may actually be a better teacher is teaching in the inner city and his kids do not test well.

[the Prodigy]

I'm not talking about Teachers who are already in the field. I'm talking about people who are smart and talented deciding to be a teacher instead of a doctor or a lawyer. Most of the people who are in those fields LOVE the concept of teaching. But it pays in animal crackers so they do a six month fellowship at some university and then continue on in their field.

The teachers who are there, sure they love it. But they also looked around and saw that they probably weren't going to be able to survive in the league of extraordinary gentlemen and people with connections. So they decided to take the moral high road. I've seen it a hundred times. And I'm still in college.

[gatorunvrsty]

I have a few teachers in the family. Dad was a college professor, mom was a high school teacher before becoming an attorney, and little sister is starting a charter school in D.C.. The state of education is pathetic, and teacher salaries are primarily responsible for it. There's a huge gap between what college professors make and what grade school teachers make; but, both are abysmally low for what they mean to the futures of Americans, and the country's future, in general. Think about it... without competent teachers, there are none of the other professions. If you're not taking care of the folks that mold young minds early, you'll end up with people who are more suited to working at McDonalds doing the molding. Even when I was in high school it was starting to get that way. I spent half a school year correcting a high school English teacher when I was a senior. It was absolutely disgraceful that they allowed this woman to teach kids; and she was supposed to be preparing them for college level curricula. Teachers these days are little more than babysitters, and the few who are truly exceptional educators are passionate about their field, and couldn't care less about the pay. To my way of thinking, teaching should be the highest paid profession in the country. As I pointed out, without them, you don't have skilled surgeons, attorneys, titans of industry, etc... the wealthy owe their success to their teachers in all but a few select instances.

As for political affiliation, Republicans have almost doomed us. Bush will leave a legacy of death, debt, and doubt; and his replacement promises more of the same. McCain espouses the same policies of his forbearer. Do people not realize that Bush is going to leave us with a $10,000,000,000,000 (that's trillion, folks) debt, after inheriting a $500,000,000,000 (billion) surplus from Clinton? Unemployment is skyrocketing, with January and February crushing American workers. That putz has the U.S owing China and Japan more money (even as a percentage of trade) than at any time in history, and more than anyone thought possible. He has kept millionaires wealthy at the expense of workers. The owner of a corporation doesn't care who does the work; he cares about how cheaply it's getting done. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that giving work to overseas workers keeps the owners and executives wealthy, but takes decent jobs away from middle class Americans. Nor does it take a genius to figure out that having a liberal trade agreement with China without insisting on equal imports will eventually bankrupt us; because they have no labor agreements equal to what the U.S. gives workers. They can pay whatever they want, and treat workers however they want. Therefore, they'll always be able to beat U.S. production costs (overhead). The few demands we put on them, that deal with the treatment of workers, are merely token efforts that are largely ignored anyway. Every week there's another story about the treatment of their labor force, and how it violates agreements with the U.S.. Think how many violations must be going on that aren't reported out of a Communist nation. We're shooting ourselves in the foot with these Republican fiscal policies.

Want some facts and figures for the Bush/Cheney Iraq War Debacle?

US SPENDING IN IRAQ

Spent & Approved War-Spending - About $600 billion of US taxpayers' funds. President Bush has requested another $200 billion for 2008, which would bring the cumulative total to close to $800 billion.

U.S. Daily Spending in Iraq - over $270 million, in November 2007

Cost of deploying one U.S. soldier for one year in Iraq - $390,000

Lost & Unaccounted for in Iraq - $9 billion of US taxpayers' money and $549.7 milion in spare parts shipped in 2004 to US contractors.

Missing - $1 billion in tractor trailers, tank recovery vehicles, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and other equipment and services provided to the Iraqi security forces.

Mismanaged & Wasted in Iraq - $10 billion, per Feb 2007 Congressional hearings.

Halliburton Overcharges Classified by the Pentagon as Unreasonable and Unsupported - $1.4 billion

Amount paid to KBR, a former Halliburton division, to supply U.S. military in Iraq with food, fuel, housing and other items - $20 billion

Portion of the $20 billion paid to KBR that Pentagon auditors deem "questionable or supportable" - $3.2 billion


* I'd be really interested to see what Cheney gets in secret deferred payments for his involvement in securing those contracts for the company he served as Vice President, prior to becoming Vice President of the U.S..

[sheluvsbama]

Cheney? Heaven only knows. We aren't likely to find out.