Rank the 2008 SEC East

[ColonelKurtz]

Figured somebody would have posted this by now since we've picked over the West like vultures.

1. Georgia: Must earn it the hard way.
2. Florida: Defense must be 100% better to win the East. Schedule sets up well.
3. Tennessee: Must replace Ainge but almost everybody else returns.
4. South Carolina: Gotta find a QB & RB and some relief from injuries.
5. Kentucky: Major rebuilding job for '08.
6. Vandy: Ditto UK.

[shanksta13]

I think that the East winner will likely have 2 losses again and it will come down to a tiebreaker. Given this reasoning, I say Georgia beats LSU and then loses the next weekend to Florida, giving Florida the nod to go to Atlanta.

1. Florida
2. Georgia
3. Tennessee
4. South Carolina
5. Vanderbilt
6. Kentucky

[JerryBeeds]

I think we've got a pretty good shot at 3rd place this year.

[Cockfan720]

I think we've got a pretty good shot at 3rd place this year.

I agree. I think we have a team that is good enough to be even higher than 3rd, but until we earn it we totally deserve being picked 4th. So, until the gamecocks prove me wrong I'll have to say:

1) Georgia
2) Florida
3) Tennessee
4) South Carolina
5) Vanderbilt
6) Kentucky

[GeauxTo]

Figured somebody would have posted this by now since we've picked over the West like vultures.

1. Georgia: Must earn it the hard way.
2. Florida: Defense must be 100% better to win the East. Schedule sets up well.
3. Tennessee: Must replace Ainge but almost everybody else returns.
4. South Carolina: Gotta find a QB & RB and some relief from injuries.
5. Kentucky: Major rebuilding job for '08.
6. Vandy: Ditto UK.

I pretty much agree with your listing.
We could swap Florida and Georgia; could go either way.
We could also swap Kentucky and Vandy; could also go either way.

But, it could very well be exactly like you have it.
:thumpsup:

[DEHIII]

Figured somebody would have posted this by now since we've picked over the West like vultures.

1. Georgia: Must earn it the hard way.
2. Florida: Defense must be 100% better to win the East. Schedule sets up well.
3. Tennessee: Must replace Ainge but almost everybody else returns.
4. South Carolina: Gotta find a QB & RB and some relief from injuries.
5. Kentucky: Major rebuilding job for '08.
6. Vandy: Ditto UK.


(1) Florida
(2) UGA
(3) UT
(4) USC
(5) UK
(6) Vandy

I think UF will win the SECCG over LSU.

[JerryBeeds]

I agree. I think we have a team that is good enough to be even higher than 3rd, but until we earn it we totally deserve being picked 4th. So, until the gamecocks prove me wrong I'll have to say:

1) Georgia
2) Florida
3) Tennessee
4) South Carolina
5) Vanderbilt
6) Kentucky

Not this year. UF and UGA are going to be 1 and 2 easily unless something really weird happens. Just my opinion of course.

[Cockfan720]

Not this year. UF and UGA are going to be 1 and 2 easily unless something really weird happens. Just my opinion of course.

I might take some flack for this but I think if we don't play stupid (fumble on the first play of the game, get kicks blocked, etc.) we have a good shot at some of these teams (UGA in Columbia, LSU in Columbia, Tennessee in Columbia). We have the talent coming back, a new D-coord (along with Brinkley). I'm not saying we win em all but we definately have a chance in every game next year. We just have to start playing smart (recovering fumbles in Knoxville, stopping Clemson on 4th and 6, not fumbling the first play of a game, and scoring in the red zone).

[ColonelKurtz]

I pretty much agree with your listing.
We could swap Florida and Georgia; could go either way.
We could also swap Kentucky and Vandy; could also go either way.

But, it could very well be exactly like you have it.
:thumpsup:

I struggled with UK & Vandy since both got decimated by graduation. I felt UK had a bit more depth rising and maybe just a smidgen more talent in its redshirt class.

[Fadeproof]

1. UGA/UF (WLOCP will decide the east)
3. UT (everyone returns. If QB steps up then could compete for 1/2)
4. USC (normal place. dangerous team but talent gap is not quite closed yet)
5. VANDY (Smart Kids will upset someone)
6. UK (Decimated by draft and seniors. Will be a rough season)

[OleMissPike]

Very interesting. For the most part, all the rankings are about the same. UGA/UF at 1 and 2. UT at 3. South Carolina at 4 and Vandy/UK at 5 and 6.

In Rank the West thread there are about 500 different configurations. I think there could be just as much shakeup in the East next year even though it seems the division belongs to UGA or UF. I too agree with these rankings, but anything could happen. I'm expecting a crazy year in the SEC next year in both divisions.

[OleMissPike]

Just a few games that might shakeup the East:

UF@UT
UGA@USCe
UT@USCe
UT@UGA
as always, WLOCP UF vs. UGA

[Soccaplayamdg07]

1)UF
2)UGA
3)USC
4)UT
5)UK
6)Vandy

Georgia's Schedule is too rough...playing UF @ UF the week after an LSU night game is too much to overlook. I have a feeling that USC is goin to surprise some people this year and in my opinon theyll finsih higher than UT (could be wrong).

[shanksta13]

I think we've got a pretty good shot at 3rd place this year.

Wow, a realistic Gamecock fan. I actually thought last year was gonna be the year for yall. :thumpsup:

[shanksta13]

1)UF
2)UGA
3)USC
4)UT
5)UK
6)Vandy

Georgia's Schedule is too rough...playing UF @ UF the week after an LSU night game is too much to overlook. I have a feeling that USC is goin to surprise some people this year and in my opinon theyll finsih higher than UT (could be wrong).

I agree with this more or less except I think UT will be the surprisingly strong team rather than USC. I think the East is destined to be the toughest division in college football yet again. USC will have at least 2 big upsets and UT is going to play everyone close courtesy of their defense and running game and I bet they will have 4 or 5 games that could go either way.

[JerryBeeds]

Hell, finishing 3rd in the SEC east this year isn't such a bad thing. We'll probably have to win 8 or 9 games to accomplish that goal. With a Frosh QB and breaking in a new RB that would be a pretty good season for us IMO.

[the Prodigy]

1. UGA
2. Tim Tebow
3. Tennessee
4. Kentucky
5. South Carolina
6. Pocket Protectors

[shanksta13]

Hell, finishing 3rd in the SEC east this year isn't such a bad thing. We'll probably have to win 8 or 9 games to accomplish that goal. With a Frosh QB and breaking in a new RB that would be a pretty good season for us IMO.

I agree, I'm just thinking of what Neo would say if he saw that. :laugh:

[bulldawg]

1)UGA
2)UF
3)USC
4)UT
5)UK
6)Vandy


I'm going out on a limb and giving USC the upset over UT and I have a real good feeling about Georgia and the team coming out of the gates swinging this year.

[lacene]

I didn't realize USC was dealing with injuries...I know about Brinkley and Pepper, Wallace and Young, but they'll all be ready to go well before the season starts. Who else am I missing??

[D^3]

1)UF
2)UGA
3)USC
4)UT
5)UK
6)Vandy

Georgia's Schedule is too rough...playing UF @ UF the week after an LSU night game is too much to overlook. I have a feeling that USC is goin to surprise some people this year and in my opinon theyll finsih higher than UT (could be wrong).


We don't play UF @ UF. :thumpsup:

I think I know what you meant though.



Here I go:

1. UGA (hard road yes, but still looks to be the best team in the East right now, and until they actually LOSE a game, you can't knock them down from this spot)

2. UF. Coming off a 9-4 year, they have to prove that they are #1 in the East, you can't just pencil them in to #1 because of Tebow.

3. South Carolina/Tennessee - I think this one comes down to the outcome of UT@ Columbia, because I think these two teams have a chance of finishing with the same conference record

5. Kentucky - They'll take a step back, but not THAT far back.... I mean jeez guys, we're talking about...

6. Vandy.

[reese]

uga

uf

ut--i think ut will be very good this year but uf and uga i think are just too good. any other year i think ths ut team would be right at the top of the sec.

usc-- i think they will be solid but the east is just so loaded it wll be hard to get out of the 4 spot

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[shanksta13]

We don't play UF @ UF. :thumpsup:

I think I know what you meant though.



Here I go:

1. UGA (hard road yes, but still looks to be the best team in the East right now, and until they actually LOSE a game, you can't knock them down from this spot)

2. UF. Coming off a 9-4 year, they have to prove that they are #1 in the East, you can't just pencil them in to #1 because of Tebow.

3. South Carolina/Tennessee - I think this one comes down to the outcome of UT@ Columbia, because I think these two teams have a chance of finishing with the same conference record

5. Kentucky - They'll take a step back, but not THAT far back.... I mean jeez guys, we're talking about...

6. Vandy.


I definitely agree with your comment about the Gators. UGA certainly has less questions to answer at this point than the Gators do and for that reason, they should be considered the team to beat in the East. So I guess if we are going for strict rankings, then UGA should be #1. I was giving more of a prediction with my list and I think most people that pick UF over the Dawgs aren't saying that we are currently in a better position than yall are, but that they think we can answer our questions and they think we will be able to win the East. Good point, though, UGA definitely has less questions to answer heading into next year than any other SEC team.

[PuddingTime]

I think we'll be better than most think...but I don't think we'll be phenomenal either. We're making strides. I think we'll surprise most of you w/what we do next year. I'd say 6 wins is more than reasonable.

[FanninFan]

Well, here's my 2 cents:

1) Florida- I predict a revenge over UGA for last year's loss. I can definately see them beating both UGA and UT
2) UGA-Lots of hype and high expectations, but with all the tough games and the grueling road schedule, injuries and fatigue are bound to take their toll.
3) USC- This is my sleeper team. No solid support for this pick, I just think Spurrier will get things going this year. Don't forget- they beat UGA last year.
4) UT- They should have plenty of talent, but I'm not sure they will be able to replace Ainge right away.
5) Vandy- Watch for Johnson to pull off a big upset this year.
6) Kentucky

I'm not a football expert, and alot of these are going off gut feeling, so I'm sure there'll be plenty of smartass comments to follow.

[PuddingTime]

It amazes me that just because USC has Spurrier you guys give them so much more credit than us, even though they haven't finished above us the last 2 or 3 years.......simply amazing.

[crawfish]

1. Florida (As long as they have the "T", they'll be projected here)
2. Georgia (I'm just not a part of the cult)
3. Tennessee (Will probably surprise all of us and finish tied in first with tie breaker)
4. Kentucky (just for Pudding Time)
5. South Carolina (If Spurrier hasn't done it yet, I just don't know if he will)
6. Vandy (but can always say they are number one in the classroom)

[Cockfan720]

It amazes me that just because USC has Spurrier you guys give them so much more credit than us, even though they haven't finished above us the last 2 or 3 years.......simply amazing.

Well we have beated you the last 7 times we've played you...

But in all honesty I do have a ton of respect for what Rich Brooks and Kentucky have done the last couple of years. Yall had some big wins (my favorite being over Clemson in 2006 haha) but, being objective I do think USC has a bit more talent than UK for next year (just because yall lost Little, Woodson, etc.)

[lacene]

It amazes me that just because USC has Spurrier you guys give them so much more credit than us, even though they haven't finished above us the last 2 or 3 years.......simply amazing.

I don't think Spurrier has much to do with it. I think what more influences the opinions is the fact that in this century, South Carolina has finished ABOVE Kentucky in the East standings outright in 5 of the 8 seasons, and tied with Kentucky in conference wins in both '02 and '07. Both of those years, USC beat UK to win the tiebreaker. Kentucky has finished above South Carolina ONLY ONCE beginning in 2000, and that was the '06 season, when UK was 4-4, and USC was 3-5. That season, USC still beat UK.


Begining in 2000, USC has a conference record of 30-34, and UK is 15-49. What's so amazing about it??


:ph34r:

[GeauxTo]

Hell, finishing 3rd in the SEC east this year isn't such a bad thing. We'll probably have to win 8 or 9 games to accomplish that goal. With a Frosh QB and breaking in a new RB that would be a pretty good season for us IMO.

I think you might be underestimating Tennessee. They are a mystery, yes, but my guess is that they are going to field a good football team; likely better than the one coming out of Columbia.

[zartan]

i think the Gamecocks will finish 2nd in the East.

[reese]

i think the Gamecocks will finish 2nd in the East.


based on what?

[Cockfan720]

i think the Gamecocks will finish 2nd in the East.

Well, I would love to say that I agree with you; I would hope to finish 2nd (it would probably mean a 10-2 season)...I think it's a possibility, but we'll need to play a lot smarter than we did last year. We'll see.

[GatorHunter]

1. Gators: Return the entire #1 rated offense in the SEC. Tebow, Harvin, Murphy, Ingram, Cooper, Thompson, James, Moody, Hernandez, etc...the list goes on and on of offensive stars returning for the Gators. Return 9 defensive starters...although, there's gotta be improvement...however, the Gators will be able to "outscore" most teams despite the defense. Schedule is tough with OOC games vs scUM and f$u...but we trade Auburn for Arky...and get LSU at home.

2. Dogs: UGA is the flavor of the month. Dog fans hope that a strong finish in '07 equates to a strong season in '08. Tough schedule for the Dogs...may end up being the #1 SOS in the country when it's all said and done. The Dogs lose one of the best kickers in the SEC in Brandon Coutu, RBs Lumpkin and Brown, WRs Bryant, Henderson and Bailey, on defense...the Dogs lose Howard, Flowers, Miller, and Johnson. However, the main offensive threats, Stafford, Moreno and Massaquoi return along with most of the OL. The Dogs will be tough...WLOCP will likely decide the SEC...and may decide who plays in the BCS CG.

3. Vols: Ainge is gone...but the Vols return 14 starters. Phil has done more with less so I'm definitely not counting the Vols out...and despite what some say, Foster could be one of the top backs in the SEC.

4. Cocks: Spurs loses his inspirational RB in Boyd, on/off QB Mitchell is gone as well. The Cocks return around 13 starters from a disappointing squad. Injuries are mostly to blame, but can the Cocks make any noise in the SEC East with the Dogs and the Gators the obvious favorites?

5./6. Dores or Cats: Can't pick who'll occupy the bottom of the East. Both teams were ravaged by graduation. The Cats return 15 starters...but only 2 are from the defense. Losing Woodson, Little and Burton will doom the Cats. The Dores return 12 starters but lose their entire OL. However, the Dores always play teams tough...I know they usually give the Gators all they want

[foreverLSU]

1.Florida-as long as the defense improves, which I think it will.
2.Georgia-great team, terrible schedule.
3.Tennessee
4.South Carolina
5.Kentucky
6.Vanderbilt

[zartan]

based on what?
i think they have scary potential. almost everything went wrong for them in the second half of last season. i don't think it will happen this year.

[UKat]

Well we have beated you the last 7 times we've played you...

But in all honesty I do have a ton of respect for what Rich Brooks and Kentucky have done the last couple of years. Yall had some big wins (my favorite being over Clemson in 2006 haha) but, being objective I do think USC has a bit more talent than UK for next year (just because yall lost Little, Woodson, etc.)But that is only because YOUR not familiar with the talent we have returning or the talent we have coming in from redshirt and freshman...we had several very talented players waiting in the wings....so to speak. We have a good dual threat QB with some experience that will probably be the starter and we are loaded at the RB slot. We lost very few on 'D' and only a couple on the 'O' line.

I think we surprise some folks this season........we have much more talent and depth than in years past.

[UKat]

I don't think Spurrier has much to do with it. I think what more influences the opinions is the fact that in this century, South Carolina has finished ABOVE Kentucky in the East standings outright in 5 of the 8 seasons, and tied with Kentucky in conference wins in both '02 and '07. Both of those years, USC beat UK to win the tiebreaker. Kentucky has finished above South Carolina ONLY ONCE beginning in 2000, and that was the '06 season, when UK was 4-4, and USC was 3-5. That season, USC still beat UK.


Begining in 2000, USC has a conference record of 30-34, and UK is 15-49. What's so amazing about it??


:ph34r:I wouldn't brag on either records.........we both have sucked......period.

[lacene]

I wouldn't brag on either records.........we both have sucked......period.



I wasn't bragging as much as responding to puddin's remark about how amazing it is to predict USC above UK in the standings. South Carolina finishing above Kentucky in the East 7 of the last 8 seasons - either outright, or by virtue of the tiebreaking win - is substantial. Beating Kentucky head-to-head the last 8 consecutive meetings is substantial. Winning twice as many conference games as Kentucky has won the last 8 seasons is substantial. It may not be worth bragging about, but it certainly speaks volumes as to who would be most likely considered to finish above the other in the conference standings.

And when it comes to the USC-UK rivalry, actually it is worth bragging about, IMO.....

[FiftytwoTwentyForever]

How it turns out is always a crapshoot.

I think there are three clearly defined tiers.

1) Florida & Georgia
2) Tenn & SC
3) Kentucky and Vandy

If I had to pick the order I would say the following.

1) Florida -- Only by virtue of a win in Jax.
2) UGA
3) Tenn
4) SC
5) KY
6) Vandy

[BAMAPERRY]

i think the Gamecocks will finish 2nd in the East.

me too. :brick:

[reese]

i think they have scary potential. almost everything went wrong for them in the second half of last season. i don't think it will happen this year.

they dont have half the talent/potential of florida or uga. they dont have even the talent of ut. even reasonable SC fans would admit that this season, they could play up to there potential and still need and upset to finish higher then 4th

[shanksta13]

they dont have half the talent/potential of florida or uga. they dont have even the talent of ut. even reasonable SC fans would admit that this season, they could play up to there potential and still need and upset to finish higher then 4th

You must not know many Gamecock fans... :unsure:

[FiftytwoTwentyForever]

Of the people that think SC finishes 2nd, hows the rest of the division shape up?

[reese]

You must not know many Gamecock fans... :unsure:

no i dont..just the ones on here...but they have not been anywhere near as arrogant this offseason as they were last season. plus a couple of them have already posted saying they were finish third whch is pretty much what they are playing for.

[DELTOR]

they dont have half the talent/potential of florida or uga. they dont have even the talent of ut. even reasonable SC fans would admit that this season, they could play up to there potential and still need and upset to finish higher then 4th

I am in no way putting down the talent and potential of UGA or UF. But that has to be the most ignorant statement in this thread. Yes, they are both loaded and have amazing talent. You know nothing of our team, obviously, because the talent gap is not as wide as you make it out to be. It's gotten slimmer every year, and as far as starters go, there's not all that much difference. Depth is the only thing that the perennial powers in this conference have on us. Finally.... FINALLY, we are starting to build some. We've done nothing but play catchup the past 4 years in recruiting. We're now on task and on par. Kentucky even has some impressive talent that you blindly leave out for some reason.

I don't predict a division championship this year. Not at all. But saying we can't compete because of the lack of talent is a tired reason from years past. Third place would be very reasonable for me. Thinking we can compete for second or more is not unreasonable either.

[Gamecocks4Life]

1. UF/UGA(if i had to pick one it would be UF because UGA's schedule this year is bruttle)
3. UT(Could surprise some people this year. Will win 8-9 games)
4. USC(Will keep predicting us 4th utill I'm prooved wrong. Will win 8-9 games)
5. Vandy/UK

[reese]

I am in no way putting down the talent and potential of UGA or UF. But that has to be the most ignorant statement in this thread. Yes, they are both loaded and have amazing talent. You know nothing of our team, obviously, because the talent gap is not as wide as you make it out to be. It's gotten slimmer every year, and as far as starters go, there's not all that much difference. Depth is the only thing that the perennial powers in this conference have on us. Finally.... FINALLY, we are starting to build some. We've done nothing but play catchup the past 4 years in recruiting. We're now on task and on par. Kentucky even has some impressive talent that you blindly leave out for some reason.

I don't predict a division championship this year. Not at all. But saying we can't compete because of the lack of talent is a tired reason from years past.

think what u want..ur not even close on talent...uf and uga both have 4 str8 top 10 recruitng classes...yes u upset uga last year..it happens dont confuse that wth thinking ur getting close to catching uga and uf in talent. uf and uga have 4 and 5 star athletes at every position on the field. usc doesnt. now u can sit there and say recruiting ranking dont mean anything but thats what ppl who dont recruit well think. looks at the top recruiting classes year after year and those are the ppl winning football games.

[reese]

I am in no way putting down the talent and potential of UGA or UF. But that has to be the most ignorant statement in this thread. Yes, they are both loaded and have amazing talent. You know nothing of our team, obviously, because the talent gap is not as wide as you make it out to be. It's gotten slimmer every year, and as far as starters go, there's not all that much difference. Depth is the only thing that the perennial powers in this conference have on us. Finally.... FINALLY, we are starting to build some. We've done nothing but play catchup the past 4 years in recruiting. We're now on task and on par. Kentucky even has some impressive talent that you blindly leave out for some reason.

I don't predict a division championship this year. Not at all. But saying we can't compete because of the lack of talent is a tired reason from years past. Third place would be very reasonable for me. Thinking we can compete for second or more is not unreasonable either.

please go look at the recruiting rankings and prove to me how it is such a ignorant post

[DELTOR]

think what u want..ur not even close on talent...uf and uga both have 4 str8 top 10 recruitng classes...yes u upset uga last year..it happens dont confuse that wth thinking ur getting close to catching uga and uf in talent. uf and uga have 4 and 5 star athletes at every position on the field. usc doesnt. now u can sit there and say recruiting ranking dont mean anything but thats what ppl who dont recruit well think. looks at the top recruiting classes year after year and those are the ppl winning football games.

Is it that hard to use complete words and complete sentences? It's not thinking what I want. It's knowing what I do. Evaluating talent is not something a recruiting service does. I would bet that the better programs in this conference and in the country couldn't give 2 cents what their class is ranked. They evaluate and offer the kids they want - that fit their schemes. Captain Munnerlyn was a 2-star prospect out of HS. Does that negate the fact that he's one of the best corners in the conference? E. Cook, 3-star, same thing. Kenny Mckinley, a low 3 star, who mostly played QB in high school. I guess it doesn't matter that he's one of the best receivers in the conference and has the stats to back it up.

Holtz used player rankings when he recruited here. We had several great classes. Talent was not properly evaluated, however, and those classes ended up amounting little to nothing.

This is a very generic and cliche argument. You are correct, but not totally correct. I am correct, but not totally. The talent is not equal. We both agree on that, but the gap isn't as large as you like to think it is.

[reese]

Is it that hard to use complete words and complete sentences? It's not thinking what I want. It's knowing what I do. Evaluating talent is not something a recruiting service does. I would bet that the better programs in this conference and in the country couldn't give 2 cents what their class is ranked. They evaluate and offer the kids they want - that fit their schemes. Captain Munnerlyn was a 2-star prospect out of HS. Does that negate the fact that he's one of the best corners in the conference? E. Cook, 3-star, same thing. Kenny Mckinley, a low 3 star, who mostly played QB in high school. I guess it doesn't matter that he's one of the best receivers in the conference and has the stats to back it up.

Holtz used player rankings when he recruited here. We had several great classes. Talent was not properly evaluated, however, and those classes ended up amounting little to nothing.

This is a very generic and cliche argument. You are correct, but not totally correct. I am correct, but not totally. The talent is not equal. We both agree on that, but the gap isn't as large as you like to think it is.

1. any school can name a few guys that were ranked low but ended up good.

2. what are u arguing? i said SC doesnt have the talent this year to compete to win the east. u agree they shouldnt win the east. but u say its not talent. what is it then? coaching?

[azamugg]

OMG these dog/cock fights get on our nerves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[reese]

OMG these dog/cock fights get on our nerves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they get on my nerves too...it never fails..i say anything about SC..and it offends a fan. i wasnt even being negative just stating facts

[DELTOR]

1. any school can name a few guys that were ranked low but ended up good.

2. what are u arguing? i said SC doesnt have the talent this year to compete to win the east. u agree they shouldnt win the east. but u say its not talent. what is it then? coaching?

I never said I thought they shouldn't win the east. I think 4 teams have a legitimate shot this year. I'm realistic, however, and think we'll probably finish third.

Ah, yes. Coaching. Coaching and talent would be the two things I expect to hear from you. Guess what? It's neither. We will be breaking in a new quarterback with a slightly different scheme. That's pretty good for starters. Our ground game will be young as well, after losing a player with the biggest heart since Ryan Brewer. I'll give you coaching, I suppose. Our special teams last year were horrible, as far as protecting the ball.

USC was out manned in about every category in 2005.... yet finished 2nd in the east. That whole talent thing didn't really add up like it should have. Like I said, you are correct, but not totally correct. I am correct, but not totally correct. Congrats to UGA in recruiting, but that does not always turn out on the field and at the end of the season the same way. Same with other teams.

[DELTOR]

they get on my nerves too...it never fails..i say anything about SC..and it offends a fan. i wasnt even being negative just stating facts

I don't think any of us on here got offended, especially by you. I was just stating facts as well.

[Fadeproof]

I wouldn't brag on either records.........we both have sucked......period.

LMAO....Agreed :ph34r:

[ColonelKurtz]

Chill children or else!!!

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[ShowTime24]

this is easy!

1.) UGA
2) Tenn
3)Florida
4) S carolina
5) kentucky
6) Vandy

[Tennessee Ted]

I agree that Georgia and Florida are the favorites here, but I think Tennessee deserves an asterisk at number three because we have the potential to sneak in and steal the 1 or 2 spots.

I know why everyone is discounting us and it is a reasonable assumption on your part, but our weaknesses could be our strengths. Number 1 weakness is the unknown quarterback situation. Did you guys see Ainge in the SEC CG. He lost the game for us. He had a great season and career, but he is by no means irreplaceable.

Same goes for Cutcliffe. Did anyone here see the Outback bowl. We should have won that game by 10 points or more, but due to some ridiculously stupid play calling we had to have a thug intercept the ball at the end of the game. We all know that Cutcliffe is a great QB coach, but his play calling can be suspect from time to time. I am glad to have a fresh face at the play calling helm.

To all those that gave Tennessee a shot you get rep and a high five. To those that did not I just hope your team overlooks Tennessee just like you because we could surprise.

[zartan]

Of the people that think SC finishes 2nd, hows the rest of the division shape up?
florida
s. carolina
georgia
tennessee
kentucky
vanderbilt

[Fadeproof]

florida
s. carolina
georgia
tennessee
kentucky
vanderbilt

Now that is a balsy prediction. I dont wont to say that it cant happen, but that is only because I still play the lottery on occasion.

[lacene]

think what u want..ur not even close on talent...uf and uga both have 4 str8 top 10 recruitng classes...yes u upset uga last year..it happens dont confuse that wth thinking ur getting close to catching uga and uf in talent. uf and uga have 4 and 5 star athletes at every position on the field. usc doesnt. now u can sit there and say recruiting ranking dont mean anything but thats what ppl who dont recruit well think. looks at the top recruiting classes year after year and those are the ppl winning football games.

reese, you have a bad habit of making comments as if they are facts, and telling others to look them up if they don't like it. Don't you understand that if someone actually calls you on your bluff, it makes you look stupid?

Yes, USC does not have 4 and 5 star athletes at every position on the field. But then UGA doesn't, either. What recruiting ratings service are you referring to, because I'll be damned if I can find it. Also, you're right: USC doesn't have 4 star athletes at every position: we lack them at ONE position: fullback. Luckily, UGA moved a 4 star RB Southerland to FB, so they're covered. Otherwise, USC has 4 star athletes at every other position, and in ALL of those cases, multiple 4 star talent.

UGA just has more of them, but mostly 1 or 2 more than what USC has. UGA does have a buttload of 4 star LB's, compared to 2 for USC (we will emphasize the LB position for the '09 class).

But compare that to just a few years ago, when we really DID have several positions without 4 star talent, and you'll see the improvements. It wasn't that long ago that the recruits we were signing had just as many offers from D1-AA teams as they had from D1-A teams, if not more. Or, we had Holtz snapping up all these JUCO players that made our class rankings high, but shot in and out of here before we learned their names.

If you actually researched the facts, and not just spouted off about "facts", you'd realize that DELTOR is pretty dead-on in his talent assessment between the schools. You: not so much......

Rivals.com - Football Recruiting (http://rivals100.rivals.com/)

[MSUFoolnut]

1. Georgia- Moreno is the Real DeaL, Richt is the Best Coach in the Conference
2. Florida- Tebow and the Swamp
3. South Carolina- Spurrier is too good a recruiter and coach. Gamecocks will make a move this coming year and be right there till the end of the season.
4. Tennessee- Who's your QB next year? I miss Jim Bob Cooter
5. Kentucky - Have to replace too much on Offense
6. Vandy - Just beat Ole Miss next year again and you Rock

[D^3]

I think anybody who is predicting UF to win the East based on Tebow is naive. Single players don't win games, and regardless of the fact that Tebow won a Heisman, his team still went 9-4. Just goes to show you that just because you have the greatest player in the country doesn't mean your team will be the best.

[GoVols1998]

I know why everyone is discounting us and it is a reasonable assumption on your part, but our weaknesses could be our strengths. Number 1 weakness is the unknown quarterback situation. Did you guys see Ainge in the SEC CG. He lost the game for us. He had a great season and career, but he is by no means irreplaceable.


I agree. I think its gonna be a smooth transition from Ainge to Crompton or Coleman. Both Crompton and Coleman are very talented and both should be able to step in and play very well. Much like the Manning to Martin transition in 98 it should be very smooth and easy like that. Especially with all the returnung talent.:thumpsup:

[Fadeproof]

Originally Posted by Tennessee Ted
I know why everyone is discounting us and it is a reasonable assumption on your part, but our weaknesses could be our strengths. Number 1 weakness is the unknown quarterback situation. Did you guys see Ainge in the SEC CG. He lost the game for us. He had a great season and career, but he is by no means irreplaceable.

I saw him in the SEC CG and you are right he looked sub par. But let me ask you this. How come everytime he played UGA he looked like the NFL QB everyone thought he would be? Personally, I am glad to see him go... though I would love to see another Clausen if you have one in the stables somewhere

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/dawgtoons/Anti-Tennessee/cc1.jpg

[GatorHunter]

I think anybody who is predicting UF to win the East based on Tebow is naive. Single players don't win games, and regardless of the fact that Tebow won a Heisman, his team still went 9-4. Just goes to show you that just because you have the greatest player in the country doesn't mean your team will be the best.

Has someone predicted the Gators to win the East based on TT? I think it's more than likely based on the fact that the porous defense will have another Spring and Summer practice under their belts and the SEC's #1 offense that returns everyone. There will be improvement on defense...and with the way our offense can put up points...a slightly improved defense could be the difference between 9-4 and 12-1 or 13-0.

[reese]

reese, you have a bad habit of making comments as if they are facts, and telling others to look them up if they don't like it. Don't you understand that if someone actually calls you on your bluff, it makes you look stupid?

Yes, USC does not have 4 and 5 star athletes at every position on the field. But then UGA doesn't, either. What recruiting ratings service are you referring to, because I'll be damned if I can find it. Also, you're right: USC doesn't have 4 star athletes at every position: we lack them at ONE position: fullback. Luckily, UGA moved a 4 star RB Southerland to FB, so they're covered. Otherwise, USC has 4 star athletes at every other position, and in ALL of those cases, multiple 4 star talent.

UGA just has more of them, but mostly 1 or 2 more than what USC has. UGA does have a buttload of 4 star LB's, compared to 2 for USC (we will emphasize the LB position for the '09 class).

But compare that to just a few years ago, when we really DID have several positions without 4 star talent, and you'll see the improvements. It wasn't that long ago that the recruits we were signing had just as many offers from D1-AA teams as they had from D1-A teams, if not more. Or, we had Holtz snapping up all these JUCO players that made our class rankings high, but shot in and out of here before we learned their names.

If you actually researched the facts, and not just spouted off about "facts", you'd realize that DELTOR is pretty dead-on in his talent assessment between the schools. You: not so much......

Rivals.com - Football Recruiting (http://rivals100.rivals.com/)



ok u call me out and say im not tellin the truth...go ahead post all ur starters...give me ur recruiting numbers. show me how many 4-5 star players u got on the team and ill do the same with uga. i promise the numbers wont be even close just like i said that arnt

[reese]

ok lacene heres uga's numbers for the upcoming season per rivals..these are the numbers of 4-5 star players

QB-2
RB-4
WR-7
TE-1
OL-7
DE-5
DT-5
LB-9
DB-9

thats 49 players om this years team that are either 4 or 5 star ranked guys...so prove me wrong now by showing me that SC is close to that..

[Tennessee Ted]

.

I saw him in the SEC CG and you are right he looked sub par. But let me ask you this. How come everytime he played UGA he looked like the NFL QB everyone thought he would be? Personally, I am glad to see him go... though I would love to see another Clausen if you have one in the stables somewhere

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/dawgtoons/Anti-Tennessee/cc1.jpg

He definitely had his moments especially against UGA, which is why we have won two games in a row. Sure I wish he was back for another year. He is better than the unknown, but this is not the first time a senior experienced QB has left our program. One time it happened we won the National championship. I doubt that we have a Tee Martin waiting in the wings with Crompton or Coleman, but you never know. We definitely have the talent surrounding the next QB to make his transition easier.

[reese]

from my count u only have 28 on the team..and some of those i could have counted twice...so like i said b4..ur not even close to being as talented as uga and florida

[JerryBeeds]

QB- 2 4-stars
RB- 3 4-stars
WR- 1 5-star, 4 4-stars
TE- 1 4-star
OL- 5 4-stars
DE- 5 4-stars (assuming Clifton Geathers doesn't move to OT)
DT- 3 4-stars
LB- 3 4-stars (Cliff Matthews was moved to outside backer)
DB- 5 4-stars (Our secondary is the best in the country regardless of star rankings)

We really aren't that far behind except for at the linebacker position. Talent on paper isn't everything. We may not have as many 4 and 5 star players but we have 2 and 3 star guys who have panned out a lot better than some of your 4 and 5 stars. For example:

I'll take 3 star E. Cook or 3-star Darian Stewart over 4 star CJ Byrd at safety any day.

I'll take 2 star Captain Munnerlyn over any CB you have on your roster.

I'll take 3 star Kenny McKinley over 4 star Mossaqui any day.

I'll put 3 star Eric Norwood right up there with any of your 4 and 5 star DE's.

Having said all that, I think UGA win's the East and the SEC next year. Just pointing out that we have plenty of talent here and that players who don't receive 4 or 5 star rankings in high school wind up being damn good players in this league.

[Williams-Brice]

I might take some flack for this but I think if we don't play stupid (fumble on the first play of the game, get kicks blocked, etc.) we have a good shot at some of these teams (UGA in Columbia, LSU in Columbia, Tennessee in Columbia). We have the talent coming back, a new D-coord (along with Brinkley). I'm not saying we win em all but we definately have a chance in every game next year. We just have to start playing smart (recovering fumbles in Knoxville, stopping Clemson on 4th and 6, not fumbling the first play of a game, and scoring in the red zone).

We have the starting lineup to compete with anyone in the conference, but depth is going to hurt us this year. Most of Spurrier's first class is no longer with the team, and we're going to try to redshirt most of these freshmen. The season completely changed once Jap went down last year, and if something like that happens again, then we're screwed.

[Williams-Brice]

1. Florida
2. Georgia
3. South Carolina
4. Tennessee
5. Vanderbilt
6. Kentucky

[UKat]

QB- 2 4-stars
RB- 3 4-stars
WR- 1 5-star, 4 4-stars
TE- 1 4-star
OL- 5 4-stars
DE- 5 4-stars (assuming Clifton Geathers doesn't move to OT)
DT- 3 4-stars
LB- 3 4-stars (Cliff Matthews was moved to outside backer)
DB- 5 4-stars (Our secondary is the best in the country regardless of star rankings)

We really aren't that far behind except for at the linebacker position. Talent on paper isn't everything. We may not have as many 4 and 5 star players but we have 2 and 3 star guys who have panned out a lot better than some of your 4 and 5 stars. For example:

I'll take 3 star E. Cook or 3-star Darian Stewart over 4 star CJ Byrd at safety any day.

I'll take 2 star Captain Munnerlyn over any CB you have on your roster.

I'll take 3 star Kenny McKinley over 4 star Mossaqui any day.

I'll put 3 star Eric Norwood right up there with any of your 4 and 5 star DE's.

Having said all that, I think UGA win's the East and the SEC next year. Just pointing out that we have plenty of talent here and that players who don't receive 4 or 5 star rankings in high school wind up being damn good players in this league.A lot of those players that get 4-5* rankings don't get them until they commit to a UGA, FL, LSU etc..if UK or USC get an early commit from a 2-3* kid they rarely ever go up in ranking...as I said those same kids will usually instantly jump in *ranking if the aforementioned schools go after them. This is just a fact of the ranking system.

UK has several 2-3* kids that are now going to be drafted...
Woodson 4*
Little 3*
Burton 3*
Jacob Tammer 3*
Stevie Johnson 2*
Wesley Woodyard 3*
I don't think anyone would dispute these kids talent......they performed at or above the same level as 4-5* players.

[ColonelKurtz]

Several folks still have yet to study how certain teams' schedules fall. I did do the homie pick in this thread because its February but I'm quite mindful of who the Dawgs face when and where. When those rosters get set this August and we all know who our teams have to go into battle with, then we'll get nearer some ability to know what to expect.

As for this talent fuss, the degree of separation between the programs in the SEC at the highest level is perhaps 2-4 guys and on down the line, it is more about depth. While I try to keep perspective by looking at teams in terms of 100%, as the season progresses the superior talent separates from the rest as attrition takes its toll. The drop off as you go down the depth chart is then better appreciated. Teams who weren't having many injuries strike always fair better and that changes from season to season and thus the experience level and maturity of the depth chart really acts as a good dividing line.

[DELTOR]

Thank you, Colonel. I totally agree and support what you said about depth.

[reese]

QB- 2 4-stars
RB- 3 4-stars
WR- 1 5-star, 4 4-stars
TE- 1 4-star
OL- 5 4-stars
DE- 5 4-stars (assuming Clifton Geathers doesn't move to OT)
DT- 3 4-stars
LB- 3 4-stars (Cliff Matthews was moved to outside backer)
DB- 5 4-stars (Our secondary is the best in the country regardless of star rankings)

We really aren't that far behind except for at the linebacker position. Talent on paper isn't everything. We may not have as many 4 and 5 star players but we have 2 and 3 star guys who have panned out a lot better than some of your 4 and 5 stars. For example:

I'll take 3 star E. Cook or 3-star Darian Stewart over 4 star CJ Byrd at safety any day.

I'll take 2 star Captain Munnerlyn over any CB you have on your roster.

I'll take 3 star Kenny McKinley over 4 star Mossaqui any day.

I'll put 3 star Eric Norwood right up there with any of your 4 and 5 star DE's.

Having said all that, I think UGA win's the East and the SEC next year. Just pointing out that we have plenty of talent here and that players who don't receive 4 or 5 star rankings in high school wind up being damn good players in this league.


so yall have 28 to uga's 49. now thats was all i was sayin. lacene called me a liar when i said uga had far more 4-5 star guys on the team then SC. now u and me have shown the numbers and despite lacene's attempt to prove me wrong, i was right.

what does this mean? whatever u want it too. u could argue that stars dont mean nothing and give examples of guys that were low ranked and were still good, cuz they are out there. but all im sayin is the schools that have high ranked classes year in and out the teams that are winning year in and out.

as far as ur guys vs. ours (the ones u listed) most ppl would take there guys over anyone elses. i think captain munn. is one of the best corners in the SEC. he is every bit as good as the corners on uga's team that were all 4 stars. but thats not always the case.

[GamecockDieHard]

A lot of those players that get 4-5* rankings don't get them until they commit to a UGA, FL, LSU etc..if UK or USC get an early commit from a 2-3* kid they rarely ever go up in ranking...as I said those same kids will usually instantly jump in *ranking if the aforementioned schools go after them. This is just a fact of the ranking system.

UK has several 2-3* kids that are now going to be drafted...
Woodson 4*
Little 3*
Burton 3*
Jacob Tammer 3*
Stevie Johnson 2*
Wesley Woodyard 3*
I don't think anyone would dispute these kids talent......they performed at or above the same level as 4-5* players.

I've heard that argument before and it's easy to believe. If Richt is going after a player, and you're a 24 year old scout for Rivals, what would you do? I think I'd go with Richt's assessment over my own. Not to mention the fact that a 3 star player that's surrounded with talented team mates will usually step up. So you're basically looking at a chicken and egg type scenario.

SC has had a terrible OL since I don't know when. Everyone talks about youth and experience, but Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee don't seem too worried about playing any of their youth on their OL. There's definitely something to be said about their talent level and ours. (The OL example may be a bad one since I think our OL Coach is awful).

As far as the East. I'll go with Georgia, Florida, TN, SC, Kentucky, Vandy. If the Dawgs win out, that will be one awesome team to watch and it would spread the wealth since Florida has had it's day(s). I think our OL will still be a problem for us.

[Chief Broom]

Right now my rankings are:
1.UGA
1a. UF-their defense is still behind their offense
3.UT-recruiting has slipped and their talent isn't what it used to be but they can still play with anyone in the country
4. USC - no need to repeat the talent/depth discussions. Most observers are beginning to realize that Spurrier is not going to repeat what he did in G'ville in Columbia. However, they will probably upset a top SEC team each year.
4a. UK- Yes, they lost some major talent but I believe Brooks has elevated the program and there will not be much drop off this coming season vs. last.
6. Vandy- A program that would go bowling most years in any other conference.

[bulldawg]

I think the deal breaker for UGA this year is the depth at offensive line. We actually have enough players to rotate the guys out and keep them fresh. That should really help Stafford's protection and opening up holes for the running game.

[lacene]

so yall have 28 to uga's 49. now thats was all i was sayin. lacene called me a liar when i said uga had far more 4-5 star guys on the team then SC. now u and me have shown the numbers and despite lacene's attempt to prove me wrong, i was right.

what does this mean? whatever u want it too. u could argue that stars dont mean nothing and give examples of guys that were low ranked and were still good, cuz they are out there. but all im sayin is the schools that have high ranked classes year in and out the teams that are winning year in and out.

as far as ur guys vs. ours (the ones u listed) most ppl would take there guys over anyone elses. i think captain munn. is one of the best corners in the SEC. he is every bit as good as the corners on uga's team that were all 4 stars. but thats not always the case.

reese, I never called you a liar...I said you make statements that often turn out to be untrue. It doesn't mean that you are deliberately trying to mislead, i.e. lying: it just could be that you don't check first to make sure you know what you're talking about, i.e. ignorance. Or, it could just be that you twist and dodge your story as you go along, to better make sure you're not found to be wrong, as in this example:

uf and uga have 4 and 5 star athletes at every position on the field. usc doesnt.

that's what you said, reese. You did NOT say that uga had far more 4-5 star guys on the team then SC. You said in some positions USC didn't have ANY. I and Beeds proved that statement WRONG. Therefore you are NOT right, despite what you are trying to twist, dodge, and revise yourself into saying now. And THAT'S what I said about making a fool of yourself.....

And no one in this thread has said that USC has as much talent as UGA. Not I, DELTOR, Beeds, or any other USC fan. Just be a man and admit when you are wrong, reese: it will make you look better than what this other slithering around does......


btw:

Sturdivant
Little
Anderson
Tripp
Glenn
Harmon

Who's the 7th OL 4*???

[D^3]

Who's the 7th OL 4*???



Clint Boling, I think.

[reese]

reese, I never called you a liar...I said you make statements that often turn out to be untrue. It doesn't mean that you are deliberately trying to mislead, i.e. lying: it just could be that you don't check first to make sure you know what you're talking about, i.e. ignorance. Or, it could just be that you twist and dodge your story as you go along, to better make sure you're not found to be wrong, as in this example:



that's what you said, reese. You did NOT say that uga had far more 4-5 star guys on the team then SC. You said in some positions USC didn't have ANY. I and Beeds proved that statement WRONG. Therefore you are NOT right, despite what you are trying to twist, dodge, and revise yourself into saying now. And THAT'S what I said about making a fool of yourself.....

And no one in this thread has said that USC has as much talent as UGA. Not I, DELTOR, Beeds, or any other USC fan. Just be a man and admit when you are wrong, reese: it will make you look better than what this other slithering around does......


btw:

Sturdivant
Little
Anderson
Tripp
Glenn
Harmon

Who's the 7th OL 4*???

now ur lying again. i never said that any of u said SC had as much talent as uga. i said it was close based on 4-5 athletes and u said it was very close. i proved that wrong.


i dont kno what ur reading but i said uga have far more 4-5 star players then usc. u disagreed and i proved u wrong.

[reese]

ur argument is so flawed. first u say that u have 4 star talent in every position. then u say u have it in every position except 1. which is it?

Yes, USC does not have 4 and 5 star athletes at every position on the field.

You said in some positions USC didn't have ANY. I and Beeds proved that statement wrong


u say that u have multiple 4-5 star players at every position on the field. now there 22 guys that start. if u only have 28, 4-5 star guys then u cant possibly have more then one at every position on the field.

USC has 4 star athletes at every other position, and in ALL of those cases, multiple 4 star talent.

u said that uga doesnt have 4-5 star guys at every position. u asked what service i use for my numbers. (rivals) please tell me what position we dont have a 4 or 5 star player at...

Yes, USC does not have 4 and 5 star athletes at every position on the field. But then UGA doesn't, either. What recruiting ratings service are you referring to, because I'll be damned if I can find it.

[cocky07]

I love how you just pick and pull pieces from Lacenes argument that you might actually have a chance at arguing. So who is the 7th 4 or 5 star OL? Or are you to afraid to answer that question because you were wrong there too? Lacene clearly stated that USC DID NOT have 4 or 5 star players at every position and then you argue that he did say that. That makes no sense at all, well I could understand if your smoking that crack pipe.

[DELTOR]

so yall have 28 to uga's 49. now thats was all i was sayin. lacene called me a liar when i said uga had far more 4-5 star guys on the team then SC. now u and me have shown the numbers and despite lacene's attempt to prove me wrong, i was right.

what does this mean? whatever u want it too. u could argue that stars dont mean nothing and give examples of guys that were low ranked and were still good, cuz they are out there. but all im sayin is the schools that have high ranked classes year in and out the teams that are winning year in and out.

as far as ur guys vs. ours (the ones u listed) most ppl would take there guys over anyone elses. i think captain munn. is one of the best corners in the SEC. he is every bit as good as the corners on uga's team that were all 4 stars. but thats not always the case.

That was never my argument. I stated that we both agree that the talent level is not equal, but the gap is not as large as you make it out to be. If you go back and look at my post, I said that when it comes to starters, there is very little difference. I don't think you can start all 49 of your 4 and 5 star guys. I also went on to say that the big difference shows up AFTER the starters.... depth.

[BAMAPERRY]

what was the talent gap last year when USC won?

[cocky07]

They didn't count it as a loss BP b/c they had more 5 star players which automatically gave them the W.

[geechee]

[B]2. Dogs: UGA is the flavor of the month. Dog fans hope that a strong finish in '07 equates to a strong season in '08. Tough schedule for the Dogs...may end up being the #1 SOS in the country when it's all said and done. The Dogs lose one of the best kickers in the SEC in Brandon Coutu, RBs Lumpkin and Brown, WRs Bryant, Henderson and Bailey, on defense...the Dogs lose Howard, Flowers, Miller, and Johnson. However, the main offensive threats, Stafford, Moreno and Massaquoi return along with most of the OL. The Dogs will be tough...WLOCP will likely decide the SEC...and may decide who plays in the BCS CG.



UGA has replaced each and every name you mentioned with better athletes. What they lack in experience they should make up for with skill.

[lacene]

now ur lying again. i never said that any of u said SC had as much talent as uga. i said it was close based on 4-5 athletes and u said it was very close. i proved that wrong.

Yes you did:

lacene called me a liar when i said uga had far more 4-5 star guys on the team then SC.

I've already quoted this before. What the HELL are you babbling about???



i dont kno what ur reading but i said uga have far more 4-5 star players then usc. u disagreed and i proved u wrong.

Dude, why don't you think before you post, for once in your friggin' life????? Don't you have a clue what you post, before you post it? Or after??

:brick:

I'm reading YOUR friggin' posts, you ignoramus!! YOU said "uf and uga have 4 and 5 star athletes at every position on the field. usc doesnt." YOU did NOT say anything about numbers, you were referring to positions! I've already posted this before, and already quoted your post above. DELTOR, Beeds and I NEVER said USC had as many as UGA...we were disputing YOUR above posts! And after we proved YOU wrong, you're trying to change what you posted, even though anyone can go back and read them. Anyone but you, apparently....

This is a riot!!

:rolling2::rolling2::rolling2::rolling2:

[lacene]

Clint Boling, I think.

Nope....3*

[lacene]

ur argument is so flawed. first u say that u have 4 star talent in every position. then u say u have it in every position except 1. which is it?

We do have 4* talent at every position, according to Rivals. Rivals does not recognize the FB position as a individual position, but group all RB's, FB's, TB's, and HB's into one position category: RB.


u say that u have multiple 4-5 star players at every position on the field. now there 22 guys that start. if u only have 28, 4-5 star guys then u cant possibly have more then one at every position on the field.

I said we have 4* talent at every position that Rivals has a ranking for: QB, WR, RB, TE, OL, DL, LB, DB. At each position, USC has multiple 4* players. No, we do not have 4* players starting at each and every position on the field, and Beeds pointed out why this is irrelevant to us: E.Cook, Stewart, Munnerlyn, McKinnley, Norwood, and also don't forget 3* LB Jasper Brinkley, who in his only full year of play for us garnered All-SEC honors. And you're wrong about UGA as well: they put out the depth chart on Feb. 27th, and UGA does not have 4* players at either the LG or C positions. That's either starting, or on the 2 or 3-deep depth.

u said that uga doesnt have 4-5 star guys at every position. u asked what service i use for my numbers. (rivals) please tell me what position we dont have a 4 or 5 star player at...

check it out for yourself:

(2008 Bulldogs Depth Chart (http://www.georgiadogs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8800&KEY=&ATCLID=1398109&SPID=3571&SPSID=46731))

[Bulldog Bry]

I don't mean to interrupt, but there's a point where you are quoting from a quote, that was from an earlier quote, that was quoted from someone else.

The argument has lost it's luster, besides, best I can tell - you guys are arguing about two different things.
Let's move on, shall we?

I will say this. I'm not hearing the same swagger that I normally hear from Gamecock fans. That makes me nervous.

[reese]

u SC fans are such blind homers that it dont matter what i say. but ill say this and im done. USC does not have the talent to compete to win the SEC east this year. thats what started all this and if u dont agree then oh well i guess we will see. but id love for all of u SC fans to quote me in ur sigs saying that u dont have a chance to win the east this year. ill stand by it all the way thru ur 6-6 or 7-5 season. then if i happen to be wrong ill see if sab will make me a sig honoring all u SC fans and the great season yall had. SC will play some ppl good and might upset a elite sec team, but thats all.

[DELTOR]

screw this thread u win reese u r the keeper of gr8 knowledge when it cums to knowin bout talent of other teams. i guess no 1 can touch the talent of the 08 ga team. goodnite

[reese]

screw this thread u win reese u r the keeper of gr8 knowledge when it cums to knowin bout talent of other teams. i guess no 1 can touch the talent of the 08 ga team. goodnite

whatever u say biggin'
:thumpsup:

[lacene]

I don't mean to interrupt, but there's a point where you are quoting from a quote, that was from an earlier quote, that was quoted from someone else.

The argument has lost it's luster, besides, best I can tell - you guys are arguing about two different things.
Let's move on, shall we?

I will say this. I'm not hearing the same swagger that I normally hear from Gamecock fans. That makes me nervous.

Can I quote you on this?

No, Bry. The USC fans on here have argued one thing all along. The only problem is that the poster we are arguing with keep changing and shifting his argument the minute we shoot down his previous point. Watch below, as I shoot down another one......

:closedeye:thumpsup:

[lacene]

u SC fans are such blind homers that it dont matter what i say. but ill say this and im done. USC does not have the talent to compete to win the SEC east this year. thats what started all this and if u dont agree then oh well i guess we will see. but id love for all of u SC fans to quote me in ur sigs saying that u dont have a chance to win the east this year. ill stand by it all the way thru ur 6-6 or 7-5 season. then if i happen to be wrong ill see if sab will make me a sig honoring all u SC fans and the great season yall had. SC will play some ppl good and might upset a elite sec team, but thats all.

Once again, you are wrong, and are too cowardly to just admit when you're wrong, and instead try to change your argument when your last one fails. In fact, you probably already forgot you tried this shift, and I already shot it down earlier.

This is what started all of this:

they dont have half the talent/potential of florida or uga. they dont have even the talent of ut. even reasonable SC fans would admit that this season, they could play up to there potential and still need and upset to finish higher then 4th

Notice you don't say a thing about winning the SEC East? Of course you don't: you are blind to posts after you post them, aren't you? And of course we never said anything about winning the East. Our argument was only that we don't think we should be ruled out of finishing higher than 4th in the division:


I don't predict a division championship this year. Not at all. But saying we can't compete because of the lack of talent is a tired reason from years past. Third place would be very reasonable for me. Thinking we can compete for second or more is not unreasonable either.

That's when you started up all this 4-5* rated talent nonsense. I like how you don't have an answer for me shooting down all your so-called "facts". I like how you don't have an answer for my pointing out the error in your OL # of 4* players. I like how you - when it comes down to it - don't really have anything to say, afterall.....

:)

[reese]

can u not read...the 2 post of mine are almost identical to one another. in both i say u dont have the talent to win the east. deltor says u could finish 3rd. i say u need an upset to finish higher then 4th, which u will. u will not be favored against uf,ut, or uga. so lke i said ull need an upset to finish the 3rd that u say u should finish. what r u tryin to prove?

[reese]

and no...the last quote u showed from deltor was not what started the talk about 4-5 star players. that was started when deltor said that my using the talent gap for sayin SC would finish 4th in the east was the most ignorant post on the site. he followed that with sayng that gap wasnt as wide as i thought it was. then i looked it up and it was every bit as much as a gap as i previously stated.

[lacene]

can u not read...the 2 post of mine are almost identical to one another. in both i say u dont have the talent to win the east. deltor says u could finish 3rd. i say u need an upset to finish higher then 4th, which u will. u will not be favored against uf,ut, or uga. so lke i said ull need an upset to finish the 3rd that u say u should finish. what r u tryin to prove?

Well, you obviously have to finish higher than 4th in the East to compete for the East, but finishing 3rd or even 2nd, while still very difficult, is not the same as winning the East Division. You're equating the two as being the same. Maybr Bry is right, and we're arguing two different things, but if so, it's only because SOMEONE thinks USC fans are arguing something here that we're clearly not. And for this SOMEONE to still post nonsense about USC fans thinking we'll compete for the East Division, as he did in post #95 above, after all we've done to dispute it here, just speaks to stupidity or blind stubbornness, IMO......

[lacene]

and no...the last quote u showed from deltor was not what started the talk about 4-5 star players. that was started when deltor said that my using the talent gap for sayin SC would finish 4th in the east was the most ignorant post on the site. he followed that with sayng that gap wasnt as wide as i thought it was. then i looked it up and it was every bit as much as a gap as i previously stated.

:brick::brick::brick::brick:

The post I quoted from DELTOR, and the post you're talking about where DELTOR describes your post as being the most ignorant post on the site....





is the same damn post.



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I'm done with you, dude. Good luck with your life....... :wacko:

[cocky07]

Arguing with Reese is like arguing with a brick wall. :brick::brick::brick:

He is always going to be right no matter what b/c his great GA team can't be beaten, oh wait we beat them last year when almighty Keg Stafford was going to throw for 500 yards and 8 tds on us. I'm sure he will find a way to argue that we lost the game.

[the Prodigy]

The most irritating thing about arguing with Georgia fans is that they stick up for each other's idiocy.

UGA fan 1: "+ rep dude.... good post. Everyone on here sucks if they think UGA isn't gonna run over everyone!"
UGA fan 2: "Totally... friggin guy can't EVEn talk crap, his team sucks. As we all know, if your team sucks your opinion becomes invalid."
UGA fan 1: "I totally get where you are coming from dude."
UGA fan 1: "Hey I got some totally awesome photos of Mark Richt and Matthew Stafford we can jerk off to until the next spring practice...."
UGA fan 2: "Awe, sweet! I love circle jerk time!"

[JerryBeeds]

The most irritating thing about arguing with Georgia fans is that they stick up for each other's idiocy.

UGA fan 1: "+ rep dude.... good post. Everyone on here sucks if they think UGA isn't gonna run over everyone!"
UGA fan 2: "Totally... friggin guy can't EVEn talk crap, his team sucks. As we all know, if your team sucks your opinion becomes invalid."
UGA fan 1: "I totally get where you are coming from dude."
UGA fan 1: "Hey I got some totally awesome photos of Mark Richt and Matthew Stafford we can jerk off to until the next spring practice...."
UGA fan 2: "Awe, sweet! I love circle jerk time!"

Now that is some funny stuff right there.:laugh:

[DELTOR]

That was pretty good, Prodigy. I totally give up as well. Lacene, myself, and others have tried, but it just doesn't matter with a few people on here.

[Bulldog Bry]

The most irritating thing about arguing with Georgia fans is that they stick up for each other's idiocy.

UGA fan 1: "+ rep dude.... good post. Everyone on here sucks if they think UGA isn't gonna run over everyone!"
UGA fan 2: "Totally... friggin guy can't EVEn talk crap, his team sucks. As we all know, if your team sucks your opinion becomes invalid."
UGA fan 1: "I totally get where you are coming from dude."
UGA fan 1: "Hey I got some totally awesome photos of Mark Richt and Matthew Stafford we can jerk off to until the next spring practice...."
UGA fan 2: "Awe, sweet! I love circle jerk time!"

And you seem to think that those who argue with you have no clue. No offense, Prodigy, but you've said some pretty stupid s*** on this board, too.

I'm a HUGE believer that being a fan of a bad team doesn't invalidate one's opinion. Being an asshole, however, does. Funny, I don't seem to have a problem with Beeds, Lacene or Sabanachio or Fernandomike and they cheer for teams that beat the team I cheer for.
But every once and awhile this board gets someone who is just FULL of themselves and they claim they "speak the truth" even if people don't like it. I have yet to read where someone else claims you are the Messiah. Just because people don't like what you have to say doesn't mean you "speak the truth".

You gonna sit there and tell me that you wouldn't take up for someone who was defending Petrino?

[the Prodigy]

And you seem to think that those who argue with you have no clue. No offense, Prodigy, but you've said some pretty stupid s*** on this board, too.

I'm a HUGE believer that being a fan of a bad team doesn't invalidate one's opinion. Being an asshole, however, does. Funny, I don't seem to have a problem with Beeds, Lacene or Sabanachio or Fernandomike and they cheer for teams that beat the team I cheer for.
But every once and awhile this board gets someone who is just FULL of themselves and they claim they "speak the truth" even if people don't like it. I have yet to read where someone else claims you are the Messiah. Just because people don't like what you have to say doesn't mean you "speak the truth".

You gonna sit there and tell me that you wouldn't take up for someone who was defending Petrino?

Petrino is an excellent human being as those who know him always say. But to quote Rick Pitino, "He's always had a wondering eye...." Actions speak louder than words. I don't care how good of a person my football coach is. All I care about is how good of a coach he is. And he's as good as they get. It's funny. You allude to the fact that I am full of myself. I know I'm full of myself. I openly admit it. And I also openly admit that I am wrong about a lot of things. And you know what. When I am wrong people let me know it, in droves sometimes. But when I am right, I am going to rub it in everyone's face, because it's a two way street. And when Petrino leaves, you can rub it in my face, because I don't think he's going anywhere anytime soon. But when UGA struggles, and they lose to Florida, or LSU, someone they shouldn't lose to, like South Carolina, I am going to rub it in your face, because you and all other UGA fans on here have belittled me and attacked me and called me names. I know sure, a lot of it is in good fun. I get that. But when I am right, and the reality sets in, as it has many times before with people who have said the same things you are saying now, you will realize one of two things: You genuinely despise me, and will never get over it, or you will realize that I actually know what I am talking about, and you will respect me and we can get over this little hump or grudge or whatever it is you UGA people have with me.

You may not like the things I have to say, but you keep reading. You may not like the reasons I give for my opinions, but you keep reading. And you will find out, that the bigger the conflict is, the better I get at proving my point.

Now, you can either sit back, and laugh at a joke I made about Georgia fans, or you can toil over the essay on my own crippled pedantic narcissism and wait for the inevitable.

END RANT

:starwars:

[D^3]

Now, you can either sit back, and laugh at a joke I made about Georgia fans, or you can toil over the essay on my own crippled pedantic narcissism and wait for the inevitable.




Or we can just hit the "ignore" button which is what I'm about to do.

[the Prodigy]

Or we can just hit the "ignore" button which is what I'm about to do.

Of course that is what you would do. You are douche-cubed. When it comes to fight or flight. You flee....

I'm not afraid to argue. I love rhetoric. I relish it. I enjoy it. The only thing better than having someone agree with you (props to those people) is having someone disagree with you....

In all honesty, if you started to ignore me, I wouldn't have nearly as much fun....

take Beeds. Beeds and I have had our tifs.... but you know what. I agree with him a lot more often than I disagree with him. He isn't a pussy. That's why I like him. If he disagrees with me, he's gonna let me know. And he's not going to piss and moan like you UGA people do CONSTANTLY!

[JerryBeeds]

He isn't a pussy.

You can say that again!:laugh:

[MBGamecock]

1. GAMECOCKS
2. Screw the rest:laugh:

[Bulldog Bry]

Prodigy, you are right about one thing. I kept reading.

Lesson learned.

[bulldawg]

The most irritating thing about arguing with Georgia fans is that they stick up for each other's idiocy.

UGA fan 1: "+ rep dude.... good post. Everyone on here sucks if they think UGA isn't gonna run over everyone!"
UGA fan 2: "Totally... friggin guy can't EVEn talk crap, his team sucks. As we all know, if your team sucks your opinion becomes invalid."
UGA fan 1: "I totally get where you are coming from dude."
UGA fan 1: "Hey I got some totally awesome photos of Mark Richt and Matthew Stafford we can jerk off to until the next spring practice...."
UGA fan 2: "Awe, sweet! I love circle jerk time!"



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[the Prodigy]

AH, but it was funny....

[DavidTD]

After a waaaay to long of a break from football talk, where could I expect to go and get information and quality entertainment at the same time? :laugh:

Not being able to keep up, and based on what I think I know :laugh:, I still pick UGA as the best team in the east. But I didn't say they win it.

Tough schedule, but UF, USCe, UT, UK have all shown they can step up in any given day and win a ballgame or three. I believe any of these teams could spoil a season for more than one team.

The SEC I feel is always about attrition. With the quality of the coaches, quality of the athletes, and the quality of the programs in general it's getting tougher each year to dominate.

[Fadeproof]

All I care about is how good of a coach he is. And he's as good as they get

Im sorry Prodigy but great coaches dont leave there players high and dry at the first sign of turmoil (i.e. Atlanta Falcons). I think the jury is still out on Petrino as I dont think he has stayed anywear long enough to declare that he is a great coach.

[the Prodigy]

Im sorry Prodigy but great coaches dont leave there players high and dry at the first sign of turmoil (i.e. Atlanta Falcons). I think the jury is still out on Petrino as I dont think he has stayed anywear long enough to declare that he is a great coach.

And coaches who feign loyalty are usually 3-36.... what's your point? He's 42-9. Only one coach in the country has a better career winning pct. than Petrino and that is Urban Meyer. Who was only with Utah for two years, and hasn't been with Florida yet as long as Petrino was with Louisville....

[Fadeproof]

And coaches who feign loyalty are usually 3-36.... what's your point? He's 42-9. Only one coach in the country has a better career winning pct. than Petrino and that is Urban Meyer. Who was only with Utah for two years, and hasn't been with Florida yet as long as Petrino was with Louisville....

I'm not doubting his abilty to coach the game of football. He is obviously good at X's and O's aspect of the game, but no matter what you say the people aspect plays a large part in the college game. I just wonder how he is going to sit in someone's living room and convince a young mans parents that he is commited to Arkansas. If recruits won't come then he will not be able to compete in the SEC and that career winning pct. will suffer because of it.

[ColonelKurtz]

And coaches who feign loyalty are usually 3-36.... what's your point? He's 42-9. Only one coach in the country has a better career winning pct. than Petrino and that is Urban Meyer. Who was only with Utah for two years, and hasn't been with Florida yet as long as Petrino was with Louisville....

Correction: Petrino WAS 42-9, feasting off what John L. Williams left him and one reason he most likely bolted so quickly from the UofL (other than the $$$ and assumed prestige boost of the NFL) was that he hadn't RECRUITED WELL!

And coaches who feign loyalty are usually 3-36.... what's your point?

teh Whirlpool, your mercenary egomaniac is 3-10 and a UHaul full of promises waiting to be broken. Just like SOS, his collegiate career ended with his walking out on the new contract with the UofL.

Holla when you finish that statue...:laugh:

[the Prodigy]

Correction: Petrino WAS 42-9, feasting off what John L. Williams left him and one reason he most likely bolted so quickly from the UofL (other than the $$$ and assumed prestige boost of the NFL) was that he hadn't RECRUITED WELL!

And coaches who feign loyalty are usually 3-36.... what's your point?

teh Whirlpool, your mercenary egomaniac is 3-10 and a UHaul full of promises waiting to be broken. Just like SOS, his collegiate career ended with his walking out on the new contract with the UofL.

Holla when you finish that statue...:laugh:

When you take off your falcons homer hat let me know....

[ColonelKurtz]

When you take off your falcons homer hat let me know....

Just as 2 follows 1, 3-10 follows the Ego. As a matter of fact, now that Vick and he are gone, I just might TRY to be a Falcon fan again.