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GeauxTo
02-14-2008, 05:05 PM
Back in 1991, before Al Gore first shouted that the Earth was in the balance, the Danish Meteorological Institute released a study using data that went back centuries that showed that global temperatures closely tracked solar cycles.

To many, those data were convincing. Now, Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and better "eyes" with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact on Earth's climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our planet combined.
And they're worried about global cooling, not warming.

Kenneth Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada's National Research Council, is among those looking at the sun for evidence of an increase in sunspot activity.

Solar activity fluctuates in an 11-year cycle. But so far in this cycle, the sun has been disturbingly quiet. The lack of increased activity could signal the beginning of what is known as a Maunder Minimum, an event which occurs every couple of centuries and can last as long as a century.

Such an event occurred in the 17th century. The observation of sunspots showed extraordinarily low levels of magnetism on the sun, with little or no 11-year cycle.

This solar hibernation corresponded with a period of bitter cold that began around 1650 and lasted, with intermittent spikes of warming, until 1715. Frigid winters and cold summers during that period led to massive crop failures, famine and death in Northern Europe.

Tapping reports no change in the sun's magnetic field so far this cycle and warns that if the sun remains quiet for another year or two, it may indicate a repeat of that period of drastic cooling of the Earth, bringing massive snowfall and severe weather to the Northern Hemisphere.
Tapping oversees the operation of a 60-year-old radio telescope that he calls a "stethoscope for the sun." But he and his colleagues need better equipment.

In Canada, where radio-telescopic monitoring of the sun has been conducted since the end of World War II, a new instrument, the next-generation solar flux monitor, could measure the sun's emissions more rapidly and accurately.
As we have noted many times, perhaps the biggest impact on the Earth's climate over time has been the sun.
For instance, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth's temperature over the last 100 years.

R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada's Carleton University, says that "CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet's climate on long, medium and even short time scales."
Rather, he says, "I and the first-class scientists I work with are consistently finding excellent correlations between the regular fluctuations of the sun and earthly climate. This is not surprising. The sun and the stars are the ultimate source of energy on this planet."

Patterson, sharing Tapping's concern, says: "Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to unusually cool conditions on Earth."
"Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before, and it most likely will again," Patterson says. "If we were to have even a medium-sized solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than 'global warming' would have had."

In 2005, Russian astronomer Khabibullo Abdusamatov made some waves - and not a few enemies in the global warming "community" - by predicting that the sun would reach a peak of activity about three years from now, to be accompanied by "dramatic changes" in temperatures.
A Hoover Institution Study a few years back examined historical data and came to a similar conclusion.
"The effects of solar activity and volcanoes are impossible to miss. Temperatures fluctuated exactly as expected, and the pattern was so clear that, statistically, the odds of the correlation existing by chance were one in 100," according to Hoover fellow Bruce Berkowitz.

The study says that "try as we might, we simply could not find any relationship between industrial activity, energy consumption and changes in global temperatures." The study concludes that if you shut down all the world's power plants and factories, "there would not be much effect on temperatures."

But if the sun shuts down, we've got a problem. It is the sun, not the Earth, that's hanging in the balance.

azamugg
02-14-2008, 06:09 PM
I refuse to buy into legitimate scientific ponderings

as far as Gores premise, Im bought and sold........there is no contrary information to what Gore has said that will sway me..........im a hypnotized idiot

GeauxTo
02-14-2008, 09:00 PM
I refuse to buy into legitimate scientific ponderings

as far as Gores premise, Im bought and sold........there is no contrary information to what Gore has said that will sway me..........im a hypnotized idiot

It is difficult to know what to believe, isn't it!:sad:

Sabanocchio
02-14-2008, 09:19 PM
I refuse to buy into legitimate scientific ponderings

as far as Gores premise, Im bought and sold........there is no contrary information to what Gore has said that will sway me..........im a hypnotized idiot

I have no problem with you flexing your muscles and defending your point of view, but insulting another's point of view and calling them an idiot is a sign of either losing the debate, or severe immaturity. You never saw me insulting anybody for what I view as ignoring facts and further endangering the world. You're old enough to know better, Aza.

The Ramp
02-14-2008, 09:38 PM
i for one is looking forward to it

Global Warming - YourDailyMedia.com (http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1203004083/Global_Warming)

the Paradox
02-14-2008, 09:48 PM
I have no problem with you flexing your muscles and defending your point of view, but insulting another's point of view and calling them an idiot is a sign of either losing the debate, or severe immaturity. You never saw me insulting anybody for what I view as ignoring facts and further endangering the world. You're old enough to know better, Aza.

You insulted me on this very subject just days ago.


RTR

Sabanocchio
02-14-2008, 09:54 PM
Perhaps you could point that out to me, because I went back and read the whole thread and I don't see anything that could be construed as an insult. I may be overlooking it, but I know for a fact that I didn't call anyone an idiot.

crawfish
02-15-2008, 01:01 AM
http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/global-warming/gif/gore.jpg http://www.angryconservative.com/home/Portals/0/Blog/Global_Warming_Gore_Fire.jpg
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/Gore54.jpg
http://www.algorerules.com/internet/al-gore-chatroom111.jpg

azamugg
02-15-2008, 07:47 AM
I have no problem with you flexing your muscles and defending your point of view, but insulting another's point of view and calling them an idiot is a sign of either losing the debate, or severe immaturity. You never saw me insulting anybody for what I view as ignoring facts and further endangering the world. You're old enough to know better, Aza.

this post was not aimed at anyone specifically sabanocchio, sorry if you felt that..........and I hope it doesnt take this upcoming ice age for you to realize that

GamecockDieHard
02-17-2008, 07:11 PM
Al Gore has lost his joint-smokin' mind. The guy has always been dumb as dried paint and if not for his father, (another crooked politician), we'd never have heard his name. He's a typical spoiled mama's boy. The idea of global warming is true, insofar as, our planet is going through a cycle beyond our control. But it has absolutely NOTHING to do with SUV's or industry or humankind. It has everything to do with TAXATION! Anyone that goes along with this crap needs a lobotomy. Thankfully, there are now scientists that are willing to speak out before we go completely insane about this fiction.

I saw where California public schools are now requiring Global Warming as part of their curriculum. That's right California, you've got to brain-wash them while they're young, you worthless dregs of humanity.

the Paradox
02-17-2008, 08:18 PM
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a348/wahpuh/GORE.gif


RTR

WarEagle73
02-17-2008, 08:25 PM
Wow. First GW Bush cranks up Global Warming, creates hurricanes to take out New Orleans and the gulf coast, makes everyone in the middle east suddenly hate us for no apparent reason, and now he is going to shut down the sun. :blink:

Impressive, most impressive. :whistle:

azamugg
02-17-2008, 08:57 PM
ya know, Gore created a hurricane of an issue for a reason, he has made millions off of "Global Warming"...................that is in keeping w/what crooked politicians do so hats off to him for doing it and doing it well

M2J
02-17-2008, 09:02 PM
Wasn't there some Global cooling outcry in the 60s? There's nothing wrong with being more environmentally friendly, but all of this stuff is BS IMO.