View Full Version : Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office
timNem
02-13-2008, 12:50 AM
lgf: Che Guevara Flags in Obama's Houston Office (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28915_Che_Guevara_Flags_in_Obamas_Houston_O ffice&only)
fernandomike
02-13-2008, 03:45 AM
If Obama's political opponents can't find anything better than that then they are in a lot of trouble. That's weak.
Sabanocchio
02-13-2008, 04:58 AM
Guevara is an icon of revolutionary movements and a cultural icon. It is about changing the regime not supporting mass murder. And I'm sure Senator Obama is unaware of the flag hanging in Houston.
Cianne
02-13-2008, 05:06 AM
It's just a political goof by a rookie, and regardless of what the icon is, it doesn't change the also Guevara was a mass murderer. Remember, Nazi Socialism also believed in taking care of the environment, but I don't see eco people walking around with swastika emblems (although there may be some underground environmentalist whackos that are doing this and it just hasn't hit mainstream like Che).
fernandomike
02-13-2008, 05:07 AM
Who is a rookie?
Cianne
02-13-2008, 05:09 AM
Obama? Moreso than any of the other candidates.
fernandomike
02-13-2008, 05:20 AM
It's not his mistake. Go back to that Fox video and click on the story link on the top right for further explanation. The "unofficial," "unsanctioned" volunteer office was opened in Houston by a Cuban-American. It is unofficial, unsanctioned AND brand new. Obama might not have even known it was there, let alone visited or approved the lady's choice of decor. It should be a non-issue, but of course, it won't.
Cianne
02-13-2008, 06:10 AM
Shows what I know. Didn't even see that it was a video. Oh well. It's going to be interesting to see if he makes a response with the Texas primaries coming up.
I'm not sure that it says as much about Obama as it does his supporters.
Sabanocchio
02-13-2008, 01:50 PM
I'm not sure that it says as much about Obama as it does his supporters.
Oh, go on with that crap, D. It's already been exposed. Geez.
JerryBeeds
02-13-2008, 02:10 PM
Can someone tell me what Obama's platform is? I've listened to an awful lot of his speeches and all I've heard are flowery euphemisms about "hope". I have no idea what he plans to do if elected.
BamaFanNKy
02-13-2008, 02:44 PM
Does it matter what he stands for? Does it matter what any of them stand for? They are all typical run of the mill candidates. Guys like Biden and Paul who level with people and would do a good job cleaning up speak and it makes people nervous. Now it's down to who can blow smoke up your a**. In this age politics "Critical Thinking" need not apply. It was the term Compassionate Conservative that won in 2000 and Fight them over there so we don't fight them over here in that won in 2004. Say your bumper sticker statement and let the masses choose the new slogan for the U.S. for the next 4 years.
But no, I'm not bitter. :)
JerryBeeds
02-13-2008, 02:46 PM
Does it matter what he stands for? Does it matter what any of them stand for? They are all typical run of the mill candidates. Guys like Biden and Paul who level with people and would do a good job cleaning up speak it makes people nervous. Now it's down who can blow smoke up your a**. In this ages politics "Critical Thinking" need not apply. It was the term Compassionate COnservative that one in 2000 and Fight them over there so we don't fight them over here in 2004. Say your bumper sticker statement and let the masses choose the new slogan for 4 years.
But no, I'm not bitter. :)
I'm just saying he never really says anything. Listen to one of his speeches. There is no doubt that he's extremely intelligent and likeable but he always talks in generalities. He'll say something about "change for America" but has anyone heard him say how he would do so?
BamaFanNKy
02-13-2008, 02:57 PM
Honestly what has McCain said. "Change nothing in Iraq."
Then when given the opportunity to show his economic smarts here is what he says:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rJ1OB2iLxcY
He sure got cocky before the question. Reason Ron's smiling when he's talking.... The group Ron asked about McCain didn't know who was in it. He named half the guys already in the group. So he's keeping the same Bush system we have. The Sec. of Treasury is the head of that council. The same Sec. that is screwing the dollar as we speak.
As far as Obama giving plans.... Check his website out. Speeches are to make people excited not bore them with facts. Sadly enough.
GetEmGamecocks
02-13-2008, 02:59 PM
Barack Obama candidate platform - BostonHerald.com (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/politics/2008/bios/view.bg?articleid=1063110)
High priorities: health care for all, ending the war in Iraq, social security
Abortion: Pro-choice
Capital Punishment: Supports capital punishment in certain cases
Education: Obama spports a new school construction program to improve crumbling schools. Supports recruitment of a “new generation” of teachers, improving teacher pay, and improvement in early childhood education. Opposes school vouchers. Has called for a “STEP UP” summer learning program for disadvantaged children through partnerships between community groups and schools. Supports increased funding for Head Start. Opposes reauthorization of the No Child Left Behind law until it undergoes reform. Supports merit pay for “master teachers” but opposes merit pay for teachers based on test outcomes.
“Our schools must prepare students not only to meet the demands of the global economy, but also help students take their place as committed and engaged citizens. It must ensure that all students have a quality education regardless of race, class, or background.” (Welcome to Obama for America (http://www.barackobama.com))
Energy/Environmental Issues: Obama pledges to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, with a goal of 80 percent by 2050, and make the U.S. a leader in the effort to combat climate change by leading a new international global warming partnership. Supports implementing a cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Pledges to invest $150 billion over the next 10 years to develop and implement “climate-friendly energy supplies, protect our existing manufacturing base and create millions of new jobs.” Pledges to double federal clean energy research spending. Supports efforts to reduce dependence on foreign oil, and to reduce oil consumption by 35 percent by 2030. Would require that 25 percent of electricitycome from renewable sources by 2025. (Welcome to Obama for America (http://www.barackobama.com))
Experience: Senator and attorney
Gay Marriage: Supports civil unions. Opposes gay marriage.
Health Care: Obama’s health care platform focuses on a new national health plan that covers the nation’s uninsured. The plan would guarantee eligibility, provide coverage similar to the federal employee health insurance program, offer “affordable” premiums, co-pays and deductibles; and allow enrollees to keep their coverage when they change jobs. He would introduce a requirement for all children to have health insurance and pledges to expand eligibility for Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP). Businesses that do not provide insurance to their employees would be assessed a fee based on a percentage of their payroll. His plan would allow states to continue developing their own reform plans. He would also make employer health plans eligible for reimbursement of catastrophic costs provided the savings would be used to offset employee premiums. Obama also pledges to support disease prevention programs, promote quality and cost transparency and reform medical malpractice insurance.
Immigration: Obama upports comprehensive immigration reform legislation that combines increased border enforcement with a path to legal citizenship for illegal immigrants already living in the U.S.
The war in Iraq: Obama spoke out against the war in Iraq when he was a state senator in Illinois but was not in Congress when the vote to authorize the use of force was taken. Supports a plan to immediately begin troop withdrawal from Iraq at a pace of one or two brigades a month, to be completed by the end of 2008. Has called for a new constitutional convention in Iraq, to be convened with the United Nations. (Welcome to Obama for America (http://www.barackobama.com))
Social Security: Obama opposes privatization of Social Security. Has pledged to take steps to keep Social Security and Medicare solvent. Promises to amend federal bankruptcy laws to keep companies from choosing bankruptcy to avoid private pension obligations. Promises to eliminate the income tax for seniors who earn less than $50,000 a year. (Welcome to Obama for America (http://www.barackobama.com))
Stem Cell Research: Obama supports expansion of federally-funded stem cell research, including embryonic stem cell research.
Taxes and Budget issues: Obama supports repeal of tax cuts for upper income earners to pay for health care. Opposes repeal of the estate tax.
Welcome to Obama for America (http://www.barackobama.com)
JerryBeeds
02-13-2008, 03:01 PM
I've heard he is for change and really likes the word hope.
JerryBeeds
02-13-2008, 03:06 PM
Barack Obama candidate platform - BostonHerald.com (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/politics/2008/bios/view.bg?articleid=1063110)
High priorities: health care for all, ending the war in Iraq, social security
Abortion: Pro-choice
Capital Punishment: Supports capital punishment in certain cases
Education: Obama spports a new school construction program to improve crumbling schools. Supports recruitment of a “new generation” of teachers, improving teacher pay, and improvement in early childhood education. Opposes school vouchers. Has called for a “STEP UP” summer learning program for disadvantaged children through partnerships between community groups and schools. Supports increased funding for Head Start. Opposes reauthorization of the No Child Left Behind law until it undergoes reform. Supports merit pay for “master teachers” but opposes merit pay for teachers based on test outcomes.
“Our schools must prepare students not only to meet the demands of the global economy, but also help students take their place as committed and engaged citizens. It must ensure that all students have a quality education regardless of race, class, or background.” (Welcome to Obama for America (http://www.barackobama.com))
Energy/Environmental Issues: Obama pledges to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, with a goal of 80 percent by 2050, and make the U.S. a leader in the effort to combat climate change by leading a new international global warming partnership. Supports implementing a cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Pledges to invest $150 billion over the next 10 years to develop and implement “climate-friendly energy supplies, protect our existing manufacturing base and create millions of new jobs.” Pledges to double federal clean energy research spending. Supports efforts to reduce dependence on foreign oil, and to reduce oil consumption by 35 percent by 2030. Would require that 25 percent of electricitycome from renewable sources by 2025. (Welcome to Obama for America (http://www.barackobama.com))
Experience: Senator and attorney
Gay Marriage: Supports civil unions. Opposes gay marriage.
Health Care: Obama’s health care platform focuses on a new national health plan that covers the nation’s uninsured. The plan would guarantee eligibility, provide coverage similar to the federal employee health insurance program, offer “affordable” premiums, co-pays and deductibles; and allow enrollees to keep their coverage when they change jobs. He would introduce a requirement for all children to have health insurance and pledges to expand eligibility for Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP). Businesses that do not provide insurance to their employees would be assessed a fee based on a percentage of their payroll. His plan would allow states to continue developing their own reform plans. He would also make employer health plans eligible for reimbursement of catastrophic costs provided the savings would be used to offset employee premiums. Obama also pledges to support disease prevention programs, promote quality and cost transparency and reform medical malpractice insurance.
Immigration: Obama upports comprehensive immigration reform legislation that combines increased border enforcement with a path to legal citizenship for illegal immigrants already living in the U.S.
The war in Iraq: Obama spoke out against the war in Iraq when he was a state senator in Illinois but was not in Congress when the vote to authorize the use of force was taken. Supports a plan to immediately begin troop withdrawal from Iraq at a pace of one or two brigades a month, to be completed by the end of 2008. Has called for a new constitutional convention in Iraq, to be convened with the United Nations. (Welcome to Obama for America (http://www.barackobama.com))
Social Security: Obama opposes privatization of Social Security. Has pledged to take steps to keep Social Security and Medicare solvent. Promises to amend federal bankruptcy laws to keep companies from choosing bankruptcy to avoid private pension obligations. Promises to eliminate the income tax for seniors who earn less than $50,000 a year. (Welcome to Obama for America (http://www.barackobama.com))
Stem Cell Research: Obama supports expansion of federally-funded stem cell research, including embryonic stem cell research.
Taxes and Budget issues: Obama supports repeal of tax cuts for upper income earners to pay for health care. Opposes repeal of the estate tax.
Welcome to Obama for America (http://www.barackobama.com)
Typical commie then?:laugh:
WarEagle73
02-13-2008, 03:19 PM
Can someone tell me what Obama's platform is? I've listened to an awful lot of his speeches and all I've heard are flowery euphemisms about "hope". I have no idea what he plans to do if elected.
I think he stands for "universal health care". In other words once again the US Federal Government is going to delve into some problem where it has no business and truthfully cannot hope to have a positive influence anyway. History provides us with past failed attempts by government to solve the day to day ills of our people. I will provide two such examples below.
In my opinion the problem is that we now look to government to solve any and all problems that we face. Going to the doctor costs too much so we look to the government. Gas cost too much and we do the same. It goes on and on. A good deal of this can be traced back to the policies laid out during the 1930's by the FDR administration in vain attempts to alleviate the effects of the Great Depression. The myriad of government programs and such served to ingrain a sense of entitlement in our society. Sadly, many have credited FDR with saving us from the grip of the Great Depression when in fact he did nothing of the sort. It was World War II and the subsequent economic growth that brought about the end of the great depression. Wile some programs did some good and did help some, they did not end the depression. That was accomplished only when enough people went to work once war production kicked into high gear in mid 1942.
Following the flawed example laid down by FDR, the Johnson administration launched it's "war on poverty" scheme in the 60's. Once again the government went about attempting to be the nanny to those unable or unwilling to do so for themselves. These programs, wile still with us today, failed utterly in their original intent.
What we are faced with today is that a huge segment of our society have not the faintest clue as to what it is that government can or should even attempt to do. For a republic such as our to thrive requires a citizenry that is intelligent, informed, and involved in the goings on of or representatives in Washington. Sadly, this is lacking today.
:soapbox:
fernandomike
02-13-2008, 03:26 PM
You guys sound so anti-hope. You can't blame the guy. Hell, if others can stand for "family values" and "faith," why can't he run on hope? He's proven you can truly build your platform around it, and best of all, his opponents will never ask whether he plans to raise taxes to pay for all of that hope.
GetEmGamecocks
02-13-2008, 03:35 PM
http://thebreakthrough.org/blog/obama4.jpg
BamaFanNKy
02-13-2008, 03:42 PM
You guys sound so anti-hope. You can't blame the guy. Hell, if others can stand for "family values" and "faith," why can't he run on hope? He's proven you can truly build your platform around it, and best of all, his opponents will never ask whether he plans to raise taxes to pay for all of that hope.
Absolute truth in what you say. I didn't like hearing the B.S. Compassionate Conservative and Fight them there so we don't fight them here. At least with Obama, he actually believes what he says. I think honestly, I will vote for him over McCain. Gawd I hope Bloomberg runs 3rd party.
azamugg
02-13-2008, 03:58 PM
I think he stands for "universal health care". In other words once again the US Federal Government is going to delve into some problem where it has no business and truthfully cannot hope to have a positive influence anyway. History provides us with past failed attempts by government to solve the day to day ills of our people. I will provide two such examples below.
In my opinion the problem is that we now look to government to solve any and all problems that we face. Going to the doctor costs too much so we look to the government. Gas cost too much and we do the same. It goes on and on. A good deal of this can be traced back to the policies laid out during the 1930's by the FDR administration in vain attempts to alleviate the effects of the Great Depression. The myriad of government programs and such served to ingrain a sense of entitlement in our society. Sadly, many have credited FDR with saving us from the grip of the Great Depression when in fact he did nothing of the sort. It was World War II and the subsequent economic growth that brought about the end of the great depression. Wile some programs did some good and did help some, they did not end the depression. That was accomplished only when enough people went to work once war production kicked into high gear in mid 1942.
Following the flawed example laid down by FDR, the Johnson administration launched it's "war on poverty" scheme in the 60's. Once again the government went about attempting to be the nanny to those unable or unwilling to do so for themselves. These programs, wile still with us today, failed utterly in their original intent.
What we are faced with today is that a huge segment of our society have not the faintest clue as to what it is that government can or should even attempt to do. For a republic such as our to thrive requires a citizenry that is intelligent, informed, and involved in the goings on of or representatives in Washington. Sadly, this is lacking today.
:soapbox:
I do think the Gov't works project provided some necessary employment at the time but I agree with you 73 otherwise..........the creation of FHA in 1934 also is held to be one of the saviors too because it provided an opportunity for red, white and blue americans to own a home by lessening the significant cash requirements and economically you have to think of the trickle down that came about as a result...all the industries tied to home construction/the materials and w/in those industries there are 3 layers, manufacturing, distribution, and retail..........
Every president has a dream of fixing education, how do you do that from a federal level? every one wants to have health care.......well ok individually plan for it but please don't let the gov't get in on the providing part, maybe we can seek reform in the insurance industry........why do dems and reps both know that government is incompetent, inept, corrupt, etc but all of a sudden at election time the dems are okee dokee w/that same gov't coming to our rescue in all sorts of areas .............
BamaFanNKy
02-13-2008, 04:03 PM
Azza, your sounding like a Libertarian. Watch it.
azamugg
02-13-2008, 04:06 PM
Azza, your sounding like a Libertarian. Watch it.
too late, I iz one
palmettocock
02-13-2008, 04:16 PM
There's just so much weakness on both sides its sad...I consider myself right on the fence, leaning towards the republican side, but I honestly can say I would probably vote for Obama over McCain....BUT I dont know if I can support a man who refuses to say the pledge of allegiance . Yea yea yea, I know its his right, but seriously? He can't even pledge ALLEGIANCE to the country he wants to lead one day?
fernandomike
02-13-2008, 04:32 PM
He doesn't refuse to say the pledge. He even sometimes leads it in the Senate. He doesn't always put his hand over his heart during the national anthem and has been called out for that. He says he sings it though.
BamaFanNKy
02-13-2008, 04:35 PM
He doesn't refuse to say the pledge. He even sometimes leads it in the Senate. He doesn't always put his hand over his heart during the national anthem and has been called out for that. He says he sings it though.
*Gasp* NO way..... we can't have a president who doesn't put his hand over his heart. (You can run the economy into the ground, screw up a national disaster, attack the wrong country and be filled with corruption in the white house) But cover your heart!
Cianne
02-13-2008, 04:37 PM
A Bama fan saying a tradition doesn't matter?
BamaFanNKy
02-13-2008, 04:40 PM
I didn't say tradition doesn't matter. I think their are bigger issues and yes he should cover his heart. But, if a guy can right the wrongs of this country he can be an atheist for all I care.
crimsonnation713
02-13-2008, 05:50 PM
I think he stands for "universal health care". In other words once again the US Federal Government is going to delve into some problem where it has no business and truthfully cannot hope to have a positive influence anyway. History provides us with past failed attempts by government to solve the day to day ills of our people. I will provide two such examples below.
In my opinion the problem is that we now look to government to solve any and all problems that we face. Going to the doctor costs too much so we look to the government. Gas cost too much and we do the same. It goes on and on. A good deal of this can be traced back to the policies laid out during the 1930's by the FDR administration in vain attempts to alleviate the effects of the Great Depression. The myriad of government programs and such served to ingrain a sense of entitlement in our society. Sadly, many have credited FDR with saving us from the grip of the Great Depression when in fact he did nothing of the sort. It was World War II and the subsequent economic growth that brought about the end of the great depression. Wile some programs did some good and did help some, they did not end the depression. That was accomplished only when enough people went to work once war production kicked into high gear in mid 1942.
Following the flawed example laid down by FDR, the Johnson administration launched it's "war on poverty" scheme in the 60's. Once again the government went about attempting to be the nanny to those unable or unwilling to do so for themselves. These programs, wile still with us today, failed utterly in their original intent.
What we are faced with today is that a huge segment of our society have not the faintest clue as to what it is that government can or should even attempt to do. For a republic such as our to thrive requires a citizenry that is intelligent, informed, and involved in the goings on of or representatives in Washington. Sadly, this is lacking today.
:soapbox:
And Blue Cross/Blue Shield is fair? Its come to a point where enough is enough. I can't tell you what the answer is but when an insurance company has the power to tell the Drs what to do with their patients...then its time for something.
BamaFanNKy
02-13-2008, 06:00 PM
Well on Health care here is my opinion for better or worse..... Hospitals overcharge! They have to. To make money for their stock investors. If people were smart enough to shop around for health care it would help. Insurance companies also are scum at times and we all know the horror stories. If we could drive the prices down on hospital procedures and get the FDA to approve generic drugs instead of being in the pocket of big time pharmaceutical companies. I am all for business and a free trade guy. But to have massive profit in health care is wrong and against the communities it's set up to serve.
That and the free ride so many get when they show up to the hospital without insurance. But instead of worrying about the health care system congress spent today worrying about bloody gause that Roger Clemons used.
palmettocock
02-13-2008, 06:00 PM
He doesn't refuse to say the pledge. He even sometimes leads it in the Senate. He doesn't always put his hand over his heart during the national anthem and has been called out for that. He says he sings it though.
I stand corrected then, I was informed he refused to say it because it said "under God" in it. With that said, I'll still probably write in a vote for Ron Paul
BamaFanNKy
02-13-2008, 06:01 PM
Well on Health care here is my opinion for better or worse..... Hospitals overcharge! They have to. To make money for their stock investors. If people were smart enough to shop around for health care it would help. Insurance companies also are scum at times and we all know the horror stories. If we could drive the prices down on hospital procedures and get the FDA to approve generic drugs instead of being in the pocket of big time pharmaceutical companies. I am all for business and a free trade guy. But to have massive profit in health care is wrong and against the communities it's set up to serve.
That and the free ride so many get when they show up to the hospital without insurance. But instead of worrying about the health care system congress spent today worrying about bloody gause that Roger Clemons used.
Sabanocchio
02-13-2008, 06:01 PM
I didn't say tradition doesn't matter. I think their are bigger issues and yes he should cover his heart. But, if a guy can right the wrongs of this country he can be an atheist for all I care.
good post.
BamaFanNKy
02-13-2008, 06:04 PM
good post.
Huh?!?!? I'm confused. I don't get it.
Someone hacked his puter!!!!!!!
Sabanocchio
02-13-2008, 06:05 PM
Huh?!?!? I'm confused. I don't get it.
Someone hacked his puter!!!!!!!
You don't make many so I feel obligated to point out when you do. :D
BamaFanNKy
02-13-2008, 06:08 PM
I am a Ron Paul Guy. But if he doesn't make it...... I can't vote McCain. If Bloomberg doesn't run. Then I have to go Obama just based on his song.....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY&feature=related
Cool Tune.
Of Course I like McCain's:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EUKINg8DCUo&feature=user
DanielW4444
02-13-2008, 10:15 PM
Mind if I spread this on to some other boards I visit?
Oh, go on with that crap, D. It's already been exposed. Geez.
Eh, I'm just stirring the pot. I don't really give a shit about it.... thousands of people work on campaigns, the candidate can't be held responsible for everything they do.
That said, it is pretty tasteless, and somebody should have done something about it before news cameras were there.
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