The Mitchell Report

[gatorunvrsty]

Man, this thing is going to get ugly. First name to pop up on the internet is Roger Clemens. He's probably the most dominant pitcher in the last decade; and now we're finding out he was juicing.

Sources: Mitchell Report to name MVPs, All-Stars, won't address amphetamines - MLB - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-mitchellreport&prov=ap&type=lgns)

SI.com - Sources: Mitchell Report to name MVPs, All-Stars, won't address amphetamines (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/wires/12/13/2010.ap.bbo.mitchell.report.2nd.ld.writethru.1238/)

Any thoughts and opinions about what should happen to players and their stats and records, if they're shown to have used steroids? Personally, I would have a hard time putting their accomplishments ahead of those of guys who played clean and au naturale. MLB may have ruined itself for ignoring this for so long.

[GatorBait15]

I don't like this Mitchell guy he is going to ruin baseball, even for the ''steriods ruining baseball people'' it's already happened so you might as well not Fu** it up more, idk? but imo with the steriod deal they still have to hit the ball, and they still have to have that talent and it's not going to hurt anyone but there self. It's not like if you take roids you will be ''automatic'' for the big show.

[sheluvsbama]

The performances of a player enhanced by steroid use should be taken off the records and put into a catagory all it's own...we could call it "Cheaters'R' Us". I don't think it is fair to compare the two. It would be like comparing the great Concorde to a Cessna. Not that bad, but take them off the list of normal players, the ones depending on that old-fashioned trait, pure, unadulterated talent. They don't belong with fair-minded men.

[gatorunvrsty]

I don't like this Mitchell guy he is going to ruin baseball, even for the ''steriods ruining baseball people'' it's already happened so you might as well not Fu** it up more, idk? but imo with the steriod deal they still have to hit the ball, and they still have to have that talent and it's not going to hurt anyone but there self. It's not like if you take roids you will be ''automatic'' for the big show.

No, but if you take them, you will be making your performances better. Pitchers will be throwing the ball harder, and recovering from outings faster than guys not using them. And, guys will be hitting more home runs, and running faster than guys who don't use. A ball that would normally have been an out to the center fielder, now bounces around in the upper deck seats. If you look at Bonds HR numbers from the time he wasn't using to the time he was, the difference is incredible. The guy blew up into the Hulk almost overnight, and started averaging 15-20 more HR's a year.

Mitchell isn't ruining MLB; they hired him to do the report. If anything MLB is ruining itself for being asleep at the wheel, and not instituting testing years ago, when they first suspected widespread use. Most are saying they've known about it for years, but chose to try and keep it as MLB's dirty little not-so-secret.

[fernandomike]

This won't be all of them. These are just the guys they managed to uncover primarily due to the Met's clubhouse guy's information. It does give us a much better picture of what went on instead of simply propping up Barry Bonds as the lone cheater, which major league baseball would have greatly preferred. It's going to be a sad day for the league, but a necessary one if it is ever going to recover from the mess that is the steroid era.

[GatorBait15]

Well I just see it as it's already f'd so idk what to do with it? it's not in a very good situation right now if you ask me because if I was to guess I would say at least 50 percent are on roids? idk? just a guess, but MLB is pretty much going down hill in a big mess!

[sheluvsbama]

Well I just see it as it's already f'd so idk what to do with it? it's not in a very good situation right now if you ask me because if I was to guess I would say at least 50 percent are on roids? idk? just a guess, but MLB is pretty much going down hill in a big mess!

They are in something of a quagmire. It will be very hard to clean up this mess. There are bound to be plenty of disillusioned fans. That is the part they will have to also be concerned about. The unhappiness of the fans.

[GatorBait15]

I know it's wrong and ''cheating'' and all and shouldn't be aloud which it isn't but they are going to have to get rid of alot! of players to clean it up, idk what it would look like without the guy's that are on roids..A Rod? could be..Roger is on the list.. alot of great players are on them and it's all one huge mess!

[gatorunvrsty]

This won't be all of them. These are just the guys they managed to uncover primarily due to the Met's clubhouse guy's information. It does give us a much better picture of what went on instead of simply propping up Barry Bonds as the lone cheater, which major league baseball would have greatly preferred. It's going to be a sad day for the league, but a necessary one if it is ever going to recover from the mess that is the steroid era.

Thankfully, it's not just a "bash the players" report; but will be making some serious recommendations including mandatory testing by independent labs. Why they needed somebody to tell them that is beyond me. It sounds like Andy Pettitte and Johnny Damon is getting named, too. They spent $20 million to find out what any logical baseball fan could have told them; and something they really already knew all along... that steroid use is rampant, and outside testing needs to be done. The Yankees are really getting hit hard. The full report should be out in an hour and a half.

[GatorBait15]

Well I do know one thing! I can't wait to see that list! I think A Rod will be on it : (

[gatorunvrsty]

There's supposed to be 60-80 names on the list; but I doubt A-Rod will be on it. First, he's always been a class-act, and I'd have a hard time believing he'd do anything like that. Second, if names are already leaking out; you better believe the highest paid player in baseball would have been leaked if he was on the list. It will be interesting to see what they suggest for the guys they've already identified as users. Do they kick them out of baseball, suspend them, or what? Personally, any guys who did use, have done far more to ruin baseball than Pete Rose ever did; and he was kicked out of the game for life.

[sheluvsbama]

I think the list may be long and there may be some surprises on it.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

Well I do know one thing! I can't wait to see that list! I think A Rod will be on it : (
Actually, I don't think A-Rod will be on it (and I sincerely hope he isn't). A-Rod has a very good chance of breaking Bonds' record in a few years (if you can call it his record), and I would like for someone "clean" to take it away from him as quickly as possible.

[gatorunvrsty]

I think the list may be long and there may be some surprises on it.

60-80 names is long; and just the names that have been leaked are surprises to me. I had really hoped guys like Clemens and Damon were the real McCoy; but, as it now appears, they're just 'roid clones, too. There are going to be some really hurt and upset kids out there. Their heros are turning to zeros in an instant... and that may be the biggest crime of all, and the most shameless consequence. They're crushing the ideas and ideals of children who see them as larger than life. (no pun intended)

[GatorBait15]

I wouldn't be suprised if A Rod was he got huge! i'm not saying yeah he is on it! but i'm just saying there is a chance, there is a chance for anyone to be on it.....

[fernandomike]

I'm a big fan of Albert Pujols. He seems like a good guy. I sure hope he's not a part of this crap. The guy has the perfect stroke. Despite his repeated denials, his numbers did drop quite a bit last season. I hope it was just a coincidence.
My favorite team is the Mets which is kinda scary since the informant should have more info about the inside stuff in his own clubhouse than elsewhere. It will sure make it a lot harder to root for the guys, Mets or not, who are named as cheaters.

[GatorBait15]

what times this bad boy come out?

[gatorunvrsty]

I'm a big fan of Albert Pujols. He seems like a good guy. I sure hope he's not a part of this crap. The guy has the perfect stroke. Despite his repeated denials, his numbers did drop quite a bit last season. I hope it was just a coincidence.
My favorite team is the Mets which is kinda scary since the informant should have more info about the inside stuff in his own clubhouse than elsewhere. It will sure make it a lot harder to root for the guys, Mets or not, who are named as cheaters.

Kinda makes you wonder if that's also why the Yankees are getting hit so hard. Is it because the guy has a real hate for the Yanks, or because he just would naturally have more info about players in New York? Man, the more ways I think about this, and the possible repercussions, the more depressing it gets. This is going to be far-reaching, for sure; and affect far more than just people's fan lives.:sad: We're going to lose something today... probably many things.

[WayzUp]

MLB & the Player's Union need to work together instead of fighting eachother every step of the way on every minute detail of every issue.

The players have taken advantage of a broken sport that needed to have a real commissioner in place a decade or so ago. They need to find Roger Goodell's baseball counterpart, give him the power to override anything he wants coming from the owners or Player's Union (within reason, of course) and let him do what it takes to ensure the sport doesn't go to hell in a handbasket like it has the past however long.

[D^3]

Well the press conference is on right now, Mitchell said that each of the 30 teams had at least one player who was taking steroids... and now I just want to see the list, because I'm wondering who on my Bravos was taking steroids...

[GatorBait15]

Man I do wish they would get to the point! I want to see that list so bad, I want to see who is on the Yanks.

[fernandomike]

Greg Zaun, Kevin Brown, Eric Gagne, Rondell White. . .are some of the names beyond those already mentioned. The report is at mlb.com and espn.com in pdf format

[fernandomike]

. . .Fernando Vina, Troy Glaus, Gary Matthews Jr., Paul LoDuca, Mo Vaughan. . .

[GatorBait15]

Any Yankee's besides Roger and Andy?

[PuddingTime]

No prominent Reds on there.....darnit....now I know why we have been struggling since the strike :D

Seriously.....whatever it takes to clean this mess up needs to be done. I love baseball too much to see it destroyed.

[iacolb12]

Where can you get the list? I DL's the report but it doesn't seem to list the names. Unless I'm missing them.

[PuddingTime]

I'm a big fan of Albert Pujols. He seems like a good guy. I sure hope he's not a part of this crap. The guy has the perfect stroke. Despite his repeated denials, his numbers did drop quite a bit last season. I hope it was just a coincidence.

From what I've understood....Pujols submits to weekly tests just to avoid questions like this. So I've never questioned his ability....although I hate the Cardinals.....he's a good guy. Hopefully Dusty Baker gets the Reds back to the days of waxing the StL.

[tennesseegirl]

Ok I missed if there was any yanks on there. They are my team . I hope A Rod is not on there.

[shanksta13]

This just in, Tebow made the list. :biggrin:

[Gator2753]

Well the press conference is on right now, Mitchell said that each of the 30 teams had at least one player who was taking steroids... and now I just want to see the list, because I'm wondering who on my Bravos was taking steroids...

Agreed. So long as its not Chipper, Mccann, Frenchy, Smoltzy, or Huddy...I'm good.
A. Jones was probably on roids:sad:

[Gator2753]

Former Braves David Justice, John Rocker, and Denny Neagle made this list. I didnt see any current braves on the list.

[fernandomike]

This just in, Tebow made the list. :biggrin:

Yep, and it ain't just circumstantial evidence either. They've got the smoking gun or in his case ass cheek DNA on a syringe.

[D^3]

Former Braves David Justice, John Rocker, and Denny Neagle made this list. I didnt see any current braves on the list.


Phew! That's a relief! I'll bet that Justice was only using after he left the Braves though, when he was in Atlanta he wasn't a big guy or anything. Probably used them to overcome aging when he was with the Yanks.

As far as Rocker... well, I always loved the guy, but it doesn't really surprise me, given his personality :lol:

Still, we Braves fans can feel morally vindicated and throw stones at all our rivals now! :D

[D^3]

Lenny Dykstra - Man, thats a disappointment. I always hated the Phillies but Dykstra was a gamer!
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens - was anyone really surprised by this one?
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch Maybe that's why he's crazy?
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada <--- damn.
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Paul Lo Duca Hehehe, this one makes me laugh
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagné Again, not surprised.
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Exavier "Nook" Logan
Rick Ankiel Remember, if its too good to be true, its probably not
Paul Byrd
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus This one's a bit of a surprise.
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Scott Schoeneweis
David Bell
Jose Canseco
Jason Grimsley
Darren Holmes
John Rocker
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard



Like they said, bunch of surprises on that list... but some aren't surprising at all.

[gatorunvrsty]

Man, I remember Rondell White playing from around my stomping grounds in Macon. I think he played in Jones County. Mo Vaughn is a surprise... he was always already huge. Ankiel is no surprise, because he admitted using the stuff as prescribed by a doctor to assist in healing from his injuries. Kent Mercker is probably the Brave they were referring to, because most of these are from awhile back... a lot of those guys aren't even still in baseball.

[GatorBait15]

Yeah alot of the people out of baseball don't even matter...they are just trashing there rep.

[Tennessee Ted]

I don't like this Mitchell guy he is going to ruin baseball, even for the ''steriods ruining baseball people'' it's already happened so you might as well not Fu** it up more, idk? but imo with the steriod deal they still have to hit the ball, and they still have to have that talent and it's not going to hurt anyone but there self. It's not like if you take roids you will be ''automatic'' for the big show.

I used to feel this way about steroids. I mean the extra strength using them might make the difference in one or two home runs per year. However, the most important function for hitting the ball is not necessarily power, but hand/eye coordination. I saw an interview with a doctor on TV that said there is significant proof that steroids improves hand/eye coordination. Did you ever wonder how Barry Bonds could turn on an inside fast ball and put it into McCovey Cove? I have never seen such an incredible reaction time on a swing than I witnessed during Barry's run.

I think there is a good argument that his hand/eye coordination artificially improved by steroids is why he hit 73 home runs. Therefore, the use of steroids gave him an edge in hitting the ball, which is blatant cheating.

[gatorunvrsty]

I used to feel this way about steroids. I mean the extra strength using them might make the difference in one or two home runs per year. However, the most important function for hitting the ball is not necessarily power, but hand/eye coordination. I saw an interview with a doctor on TV that said there is significant proof that steroids improves hand/eye coordination. Did you ever wonder how Barry Bonds could turn on an inside fast ball and put it into McCovey Cove? I have never seen such an incredible reaction time on a swing than I witnessed during Barry's run.

I think there is a good argument that his hand/eye coordination artificially improved by steroids is why he hit 73 home runs. Therefore, the use of steroids gave him an edge in hitting the ball, which is blatant cheating.

Agreed; and there is no such thing as catching balls at the warning track, unless they're just complete pop-ups from him and others who juiced.