The Heisman ceremony

[D^3]

Just started.


Colt Brennan really is gay.... he's wearing a lei. They might want to check his pockets for drugs.

[BamaFanNKy]

For someone who defends stars and bars I thought you would defend him upholding traditions.

[crusse10]

not if he's playin' the dawgs anytime soon

[crawfish]

Congrats to both Arkansas' MacFadden and Florida's Tebow for representing the SEC with class. Good luck to both. No doubt it will come down to one of the two SEC best.

I think history will be made with Tebow. One thing is for sure, the SEC will walk off the stage with the trophy tonight. We'll see within the next hour. Congrats to both schools!

[Kylehunter85]

haha did anyone else notice how mcfadden was just over there chillin in the recliner, while the other white boys were playin video games. just looked kinda funny

[BamaFanNKy]

Brennan seems like he's a good kid and will be a good NFL QB.

[crusse10]

tebow looked like a little b on that vespa...

[D^3]

For someone who defends stars and bars I thought you would defend him upholding traditions.

What???......

[sheluvsbama]

haha did anyone else notice how mcfadden was just over there chillin in the recliner, while the other white boys were playin video games. just looked kinda funny

I noticed it, too. He looked calm, cool and collected.

[AUChamps]

NUTT'S THERE! Now, is that tie Razorback or Rebel Red?

[crusse10]

red...safe color for houston nutt to wear

[Williams-Brice]

Colt Brennan really is gay.... he's wearing a lei. They might want to check his pockets for drugs.

Can't hold it against him, myself. They gave him a shot after he screwed up. They embraced him, and he respects the heck out of their culture.

[D^3]

I'm going to throwup at all this Tebow BS. Sorry Florida fans... you understand.

[crusse10]

obviously football's ahead of academics...
he should be home studying for finals right now

[gatorunvrsty]

tebow looked like a little bitch on that vespa...

Uuummm, yeah... didn't look like one trampling Vols, though, did he? :happy:

And, he DAMN sure doesn't look like one right now.

MAKING HISTORY, BABY!!! FIRST SOPHOMORE WINNER EVER!!!

[crusse10]

i didn't say he was.
i just said he looked like it when he rode the vespa, that's all

[D^3]

Well, there you have it. Tim Tebow becomes the first sophomore to win the Heisman.

[crawfish]

Congrats to Tim Tebow! Honor well deserved!

[D^3]

I'm counting how many times he says.... "y'know"

[AUChamps]

Score 1 for Tebow, and score one for Tebow giving props to JC. There's something about UF and your holy and rightous Heisman-winning QBs.

[BamaFanNKy]

Congrats Tebow. Calm down Tim..... take a breath. He's excited.

[D^3]

:lol: Tebow needs to slow down and take a breath.

BTW: I counted 7 "y'know"'s. :lol:


EDIT: They're asking him questions. Make it 9.

EDIT2: 10.

EDIT3: 13.

EDIT4: 15... :lol:

[WAR DAMN EAGLE]

Way to go Tebow.

[BamaFanNKy]

Now he has one more mission. Do it again (Erase that tOSU claim) and win the NC as the only QB. He does that and he is the greatest in SEC history.

[D^3]

Score 1 for Tebow, and score one for Tebow giving props to JC. There's something about UF and your holy and rightous Heisman-winning QBs.


Makes me nauseous. Doesn't sit right for a Dawg fan to hear a Florida Gator talk about God :lol:

[sheluvsbama]

Congrats to Tebow and all the Gators! Beautiful job. Once again the SEC shines!

[Emilio7]

I feel bad for Mcfadden...IMO he should have won it.

[BamaFanNKy]

Here is another congrats...... DMAC, your a stud. You should (and most likely) will win the award that matters most. With the first pick in the draft...... Darren McFadden Arkansas.

[Emilio7]

Score 1 for Tebow, and score one for Tebow giving props to JC. There's something about UF and your holy and rightous Heisman-winning QBs.

Could he thank "god" enough in that speech..goodness

[crawfish]

Between Tebow and MacFadden, they blew the others away in the votes. Wow!

[ugamcrae]

McFadden was robbed. The Heisman should go to the best player in college football. I hope going first in the draft and getting more money than anybody else makes him feel a little better. I am sure it will.

[AUChamps]

Makes me nauseous. Doesn't sit right for a Dawg fan to hear a Florida Gator talk about God :lol:
Ah, it's just God's way of balancing out the universe with guys like Wuerffel and Tebow winning the Heisman. They're both about as uncocky as you can get from UF's 1st QB to win the Heisman.

[gatoraus]

Could he thank "god" enough in that speech..goodness

I am sorry...is that a bad thing?

[D^3]

Wow, Mark May is an ass.... saying the voters got it right by tuning in to ESPN and seeing who was the best. Is he claiming this as a victory for ESPN?

[Emilio7]

Between Tebow and MacFadden, they blew the others away in the votes. Wow!

For sure! I just feel bad for DMAC..I'm not a big fan of tebow (even though I know he's an awesome athlete) oh well DMAC's going to be the number one draft pick and I'd rather be that then a heisman trophy winner.

Did you see the part when they went threw each decade of heisman winners and they showed Chris Weinke,Eric Crouch and Jason White.. I said to myself "those 3 have done nothing in the pros"

[Cincy Vol o5]

Did I mention I hate Tim Tebow :D
Sorry, maybe still a little bitter.
Congrats Tim

[Emilio7]

I am sorry...is that a bad thing?

No..but it's not a good thing either. I honestly don't see what "god" has to do with the heisman trophy.

[BamaFanNKy]

DMAC will not be the first pick if Miami is picking.

[D^3]

No..but it's not a good thing either. I honestly don't see what "god" has to do with the heisman trophy.

Because God bestows us with the abilities that enable us to do what we do in life. It's ok if you don't agree with that, but you should respect somebody else's religious beliefs and their acknowledging those beliefs.

[bamagt]

I like Tebow, he is a tough SOB. I'd rather get in a fight with a d-lineman than Tebow! Mcfadden is great but Tebow was the best player this year IMO

[Emilio7]

Because God bestows us with the abilities that enable us to do what we do in life.

If thats what you want to believe then thats all well and good...I'm just not a very religious person (I grew up Roman Catholic)..I just don't get why people have to insert god into something like this. If their is a god, I think he's got more pressing issues then tim tebow winning the heisman trophy

[gatorunvrsty]

McFadden was robbed. The Heisman should go to the best player in college football. I hope going first in the draft and getting more money than anybody else makes him feel a little better. I am sure it will.

It did. It goes to the best player this season, and Tebow was that guy.

[The Ramp]

:lol: Tebow needs to slow down and take a breath.

BTW: I counted 7 "y'know"'s. :lol:


EDIT: They're asking him questions. Make it 9.

EDIT2: 10.

EDIT3: 13.

EDIT4: 15... :lol:

"You know what I'm saying" is worse. i hate that

[gatorunvrsty]

No..but it's not a good thing either. I honestly don't see what "god" has to do with the heisman trophy.

I'm sure you don't. Somehow, that doesn't surprise me one bit.

[The Ramp]

It did. It goes to the best player this season, and Tebow was that guy.

ignore him. he's still in "Whine Mode"

[Fl_native]

Odd that all 3 of the Gators Heisman trophy winners are QBs and also preacher's sons.

[Emilio7]

I'm sure you don't. Somehow, that doesn't surprise me one bit.

ok.....i'm just stating my opinion gator..no need for any smart remarks. You believe what you want to believe and i like to question things. We're all in titled to our opinions.

[The Ramp]

Odd that all 3 of the Gators Heisman trophy winners are QBs and also preacher's sons.

Spurrier was a preacher's son? No freaking way...serious?

[gatorunvrsty]

ok.....i'm just stating my opinion gator..no need for any smart remarks. You believe what you want to believe and i like to question things. We're all in titled to our opinions.

You're absolutely right.:thumpsup:

[Emilio7]

So do y'all think he'll win it next year??

[Emilio7]

Odd that all 3 of the Gators Heisman trophy winners are QBs and also preacher's sons.

I have a hard time believing Spurrier was a preacher's son.

[D^3]

If thats what you want to believe then thats all well and good...I'm just not a very religious person (I grew up Roman Catholic)..I just don't get why people have to insert god into something like this. If their is a god, I think he's got more pressing issues then tim tebow winning the heisman trophy


It's got nothing to do with the Heisman trophy. It has to do with him thanking God for giving him the ability to be such a talented athlete, and at the same time (from what I can tell) be a pretty good representative of the faith.

[The Ramp]

So do y'all think he'll win it next year??

He'll be the favorite. Who knows? I thought it was DMac would win it for sure preseason this year.

[Emilio7]

It's got nothing to do with the Heisman trophy. It has to do with him thanking God for giving him the ability to be such a talented athlete, and at the same time (from what I can tell) be a pretty good representative of the faith.

Alright..gotcha

[AUChamps]

I have a hard time believing Spurrier was a preacher's son.
It's true. I seem to remember reading that his dad was a minister. Forget the denomination though.

[gatorunvrsty]

It's true. I seem to remember reading that his dad was a minister. Forget the denomination though.

Presbyterian.

[The Ramp]

It's true. I seem to remember reading that his dad was a minister. Forget the denomination though.

that simply blows my mind

[AUChamps]

Presbyterian.
That's right. And Danny's dad was a minister too? I had no idea. What denomination?

[AUChamps]

that simply blows my mind
I guess God really does anoint who's the best in Florida's QBs.

[The Ramp]

I guess God really does anoint who's the best in Florida's QBs.

I'm now know why God hates Louisiana:laugh:

[crawfish]

I think if I was an up and coming QB at Florida, percentages tell me, I would at least send off for an online minister's license for my dad! lol

Again, congrats to Tebow and the Florida nation.

[gatorunvrsty]

That's right. And Danny's dad was a minister too? I had no idea. What denomination?

His dad was a Lutheran minister. He's a member of the Presbyterian faith too.

[BamaFanNKy]

Calvin followers eh....... Well I'm a free will kinda guy.

[AUChamps]

His dad was a Lutheran minister. He's a member of the Presbyterian faith too.
I think Tebow's gonna be a minister someday too. Seems like he'd do good serving the Lord and Jesus Christ in all he does. ya'know?

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

Congrats Gator fans on Tebow winning the Heisman. Well deserved award for the top player in college football this year IMO. :thumpsup:

[gatorunvrsty]

I think Tebow's gonna be a minister someday too. Seems like he'd do good serving the Lord and Jesus Christ in all he does. ya'know?

You're probably right. After his NFL days, I can see him doing the same kind of thing as Wuerffel, who opened up a ministry and charity in New Orleans. Hopefully, his NFL career will be a little more noteworthy before he gets to that stage of his life. But, you heard the man, football is 4th on the list of priorities... behind God, family, and academics. He's definitely determined to be outstanding at all 4 though.:thumpsup:

[blockallhaters]

If thats what you want to believe then thats all well and good...I'm just not a very religious person (I grew up Roman Catholic)..I just don't get why people have to insert god into something like this. If their is a god, I think he's got more pressing issues then tim tebow winning the heisman trophy

I believe if you can make a difference in someones life than that is what matters. I am so proud that 2 Gator QB's that we have been blessed to have have had GOD first. This is what people don't understand God is in everything you do and God is more important than everything. Just cause you don't feel the same in your life why should he hide his love for our lord and savior. To be a real person You got to stand for something or you will fall for anything. With all the crap that goes on in sports and in life ,people like Tim are a breath of fresh air.If I was blessed with any skills like these guys I pray to be like this.

[D^3]

I think Tebow's gonna be a minister someday too. Seems like he'd do good serving the Lord and Jesus Christ in all he does. ya'know?

:Lol: wonder if I'm the only one who picks up on the "y'know" in the above. :laugh:

[nellanaesp]

:unsure:Ah, it's just God's way of balancing out the universe with guys like Wuerffel and Tebow winning the Heisman. They're both about as uncocky as you can get from UF's 1st QB to win the Heisman.

Didn't Steve Spurrier win it at Florida as a QB in 1966? :unsure:

[nellanaesp]

Ah, never mind . . . didn't read the whole thread :laugh:

[GatorBait15]

Tebow's a great guy, he showed it in his speach! I am so happy about him winning!

[gatorhater]

Congrats to Tebow...

P.S. As of January 2, 2008, we will be undefeated against 3 of the 4 Heisman finalists as starters...

[D^3]

Congrats to Tebow...

P.S. As of January 2, 2008, we will be undefeated against 3 of the 4 Heisman finalists as starters...



I like your way of thinking! :thumpsup:

[dtran09]

Tebow showed he is a class act today. Kirk and Lee were especially proud to be a part of him getting the trophy. One said he was the best winner ever? or most deserving? something like that....

But did anyone else catch that stat about him:
12 yrs old. 50 yard pass. on one knee.

[D^3]

12 yrs old. 50 yard pass. on one knee.


And I've done both Jessica Alba and Elisha Cuthbert. At the same time.


I swear the next myth is going to be that at age 8, Tim Tebow was bench pressing Volkswagens.

[AUChamps]

And I've done both Jessica Alba and Elisha Cuthbert. At the same time.


I swear the next myth is going to be that at age 8, Tim Tebow was bench pressing Volkswagens.
You know with anything Tim Tebow does, you can just add "to serve his Lord and Savior" to the end of the phrase and it would fit(provided it's not sinful or anything).

Guys like Tim Tebow are living examples of why it was good for his mom and dad to be pro-lifers. Thank you ESPN for educating me.

[D^3]

You know with anything Tim Tebow does, you can just add "to serve his Lord and Savior" to the end of the phrase and it would fit(provided it's not sinful or anything).

Guys like Tim Tebow are living examples of why it was good for his mom and dad to be pro-lifers. Thank you ESPN for educating me.

It was interesting that on SportsCenter when they played the soundbyte from Tebow's acceptance speech, they played him thanking everybody but they cut out the part where he thanked God.

[KillerNut]

Congrats to Tebow and his first class acceptance speech. :thumpsup: Definitely a first class athlete and person.

Okay Gator fans, Tebow is not allowed to win again next year. :laugh:

[GatorBait15]

Congrats to Tebow and his first class acceptance speech. :thumpsup: Definitely a first class athlete and person.

Okay Gator fans, Tebow is not allowed to win again next year. :laugh:

Haha, I like his chances next year though!

[GatorBait15]

It was interesting that on SportsCenter when they played the soundbyte from Tebow's acceptance speech, they played him thanking everybody but they cut out the part where he thanked God.

Pretty crappy if you asked me.

[AUChamps]

Pretty shitty if you asked me.
Agreed. They should know better then to do that, but I'm not surprised either.

[Gator2753]

Agreed. They should know better then to do that, but I'm not surprised either.

We live in a PC world unfortunately. How ironic is it that a country which was founded on Godly principles has all but succeeded in kicking God out completely.
At least this country still has freedom of religion....for now:rolleyes:

Anyways. Congrats to Tebow. Classy guy.
Congrats to the finalists as well. :thumpsup:

[gatorunvrsty]

And I've done both Jessica Alba and Elisha Cuthbert. At the same time.


I swear the next myth is going to be that at age 8, Tim Tebow was bench pressing Volkswagens.

That one's not a myth... Tebow did bench press cars at age 8. Haven't you ever seen the movie about him? :laugh: I believe everything his family says about the kid... not because he's Tim Tebow; but because I can't see that mother lying for no reason... make that for ANY reason.

[sheluvsbama]

This year has been nothing short of magical for him. I hope things continue to shine for him. We are fortunate to be able to enjoy watching his athletic feats for a good while, whether at the college level or in the NFL.

[Nick Hull]

Congrats to Tebow, they got it right this year and from what I've seen it couldn't have gone to a better person. Looks like I'm going to be pulling for Tebow and the Gators for the next couple of years (especially since State probably won't have to play them).

[GeauxTo]

Tebow is a highly talented athlete who seems to have his priorities straight. His character and his accomplishments should serve as a positive role model for up-and-coming high school football players. He did the SEC and the sport of football proud at the Heisman event.

[swampgirl5]

No..but it's not a good thing either. I honestly don't see what "god" has to do with the heisman trophy.

IMO it has everything to do with winning the Heisman Trophy. How would Tebow have won the trophy without his talent, and where did he get the talent from?...God.

[GatorHunter]

Very classy posts...and a few not-so-classy posts from the usual haters...:rolleyes:

Just as Corso said...Tebow is not only the best player in CFB...but also a great ambassador for CFB.

[Emilio7]

I believe if you can make a difference in someones life than that is what matters. I am so proud that 2 Gator QB's that we have been blessed to have have had GOD first. This is what people don't understand God is in everything you do and God is more important than everything. Just cause you don't feel the same in your life why should he hide his love for our lord and savior. To be a real person You got to stand for something or you will fall for anything. With all the crap that goes on in sports and in life ,people like Tim are a breath of fresh air.If I was blessed with any skills like these guys I pray to be like this.

First off if you believe in god,then thats all well and good if you want to serve your lord and savior and all that stuff. I'm just the kind of person to question things and not take things laid out. I'm not saying their is a god or their isn't, I'm leaving room for both opinions on the subject.
It just kind of rubs me the wrong way when people insert god into everything.

[GatorHunter]

First off if you believe in god,then thats all well and good if you want to serve your lord and savior and all that stuff. I'm just the kind of person to question things and not take things laid out. I'm not saying their is a god or their isn't, I'm leaving room for both opinions on the subject.
It just kind of rubs me the wrong way when people insert god into everything.

You have the right to "believe/not believe" anything you choose...but questioning someone else's beliefs is a different matter altogether.

[Emilio7]

IMO it has everything to do with winning the Heisman Trophy. How would Tebow have won the trophy without his talent, and where did he get the talent from?...God.

But thats your opinion on how tebow got his talent...You could say Tebow just worked out very hard and trained very well and thats how he won the Heisman.

As I said before I just don't like when people insert god into the subject.

[Emilio7]

You have the right to "believe/not believe" anything you choose...but questioning someone else's beliefs is a different matter altogether.

Dude I'm not questioning your right to believe anything.

[Emilio7]

For example.. I'm pretty good math student at LSU. when I took the ACT last year I scored very high on the math part of the exam. I'm not one to say "god gave me the ability to be good at math".. I just worked really hard on my math skills and sometimes things come easier to me, then others.

[AUChamps]

For example.. I'm pretty good math student at LSU. when I took the ACT last year I scored very high on the math part of the exam. I'm not one to say "god gave me the ability to be good at math".. I just worked really hard on my math skills and sometimes things come easier to me, then others.
Would it be acceptable to say that Tebow's motivation of serving God and his family's competitive drive in all they do played major factors in Tim's constant pushing to do his best?

[Emilio7]

Would it be acceptable to say that Tebow's motivation of serving God and his family's competitive drive in all they do played major factors in Tim's constant pushing to do his best?

Yeah ,I'm not saying Tebow doesn't have any work ethic (because we all know he does) and his parents for sure pushed him to do the right thing and play football to his best ability. But I'm just not the kind of person to say "god gave tebow his talent"

[GatorHunter]

Yeah ,I'm not saying Tebow doesn't have any work ethic (because we all know he does) and his parents for sure pushed him to do the right thing and play football to his best ability. But I'm just not the kind of person to say "god gave tebow his talent"

It's obvious that you're not "that kind of person". And it's not for you to judge. That's the whole stinkin' point. Maybe you should study "reading comprehension" more and less math...:D

BTW, classy sig...that should let everyone know the kind of "guys" we're dealing with.:thumbsdow

[Emilio7]

It's obvious that you're not "that kind of person". And it's not for you to judge. That's the whole stinkin' point. Maybe you should study "reading comprehension" more and less math...:D

BTW, classy sig...that should let everyone know the kind of "guys" we're dealing with.:thumbsdow

oh no the kind of guy your dealing with...please it's a sig, get over it. Last time a checked theirs nothing wrong with being agnostic.

[GatorHunter]

oh no the kind of guy your dealing with...please it's a sig, get over it. Last time a checked theirs nothing wrong with being agnostic.

Agnostic just means you're clueless...:whistle:

One of my favorite Dane Cook bits...a guy sneezes on Dane and Dane says, "God Bless you"...the guys says, "no...I'm agnostic"....I believe that when I die...I'll go back into the earth...and maybe I'll come back as a tree." Dane says, "Cool...well, maybe they'll cut you down, grind you into pulp for paper...and print the Bible on you.":laugh:

[Emilio7]

Agnostic just means you're clueless...:whistle:

One of my favorite Dane Cook bits...a guy sneezes on Dane and Dane says, "God Bless you"...the guys says, "no...I'm agnostic"....I believe that when I die...I'll go back into the earth...and maybe I'll come back as a tree." Dane says, "Cool...well, maybe they'll cut you down, grind you into pulp for paper...and print the Bible on you.":laugh:

no being Agnostic means your keeping your options open on either end and when did Dane Cook become the authority on anything. I can't be 100% sure that jesus isn't real and you can't be 100% sure that he is.

[GatorHunter]

no being Agnostic means your keeping your options open on either end and when did Dane Cook become the authority on anything. I can't be 100% sure that jesus isn't real and you can't be 100% sure that he is.

Oh...but I am 100% sure Jesus is real. I'm as sure of it as I am that I love my wife and unborn child. I can't prove either to you...but I know both to be true.

[Emilio7]

Oh...but I am 100% sure Jesus is real. I'm as sure of it as I am that I love my wife and unborn child. I can't prove either to you...but I know both to be true.

dude you can't 100% sure he's real. You can think he's real. but you don't know for a fact he is. I know the sky will be blue tomorrow..I know for fact that I have an exam on thursday. But I don't know for sure that theirs a god. I'd rather keep my options open and learn about each religion and then make my decision on if theirs a god or not.

[AUChamps]

dude you can't 100% sure he's real. You can think he's real. but you don't know for a fact he is. I know the sky will be blue tomorrow..I know for fact that I have an exam on thursday. But I don't know for sure that theirs a god. I'd rather keep my options open and learn about each religion and then make my decision on if theirs a god or not.
Sir, take a step back. You just defined "Faith".

[Emilio7]

and since we're quoting people like Dane Cook. i'm going to throw one out there.
John Lennon-Imagine
"Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today "

sounds alright to me. I'm living my life for myself, I'm not going to base it off what someone else did .

[Tider27]

Boooo McFadden is still the man. Congrats to Tebow seriously, he's a man among boys...with a boy's voice.

[GatorHunter]

dude you can't 100% sure he's real. You can think he's real. but you don't know for a fact he is. I know the sky will be blue tomorrow..I know for fact that I have an exam on thursday. But I don't know for sure that theirs a god. I'd rather keep my options open and learn about each religion and then make my decision on if theirs a god or not.

That's called "free will", Emilio.

And I know that Jesus is real...again, I can't prove it...just like you can't prove that you love your mother/father/siblings...but I know it to be true.

[gatoraus]

That's called "free will", Emilio.

And I know that Jesus is real...again, I can't prove it...just like you can't prove that you love your mother/father/siblings...but I know it to be true.

I don't remember what philosopher used this example because I learned about it last year in a religions class:

A little kid one day asks his dad how he knows there is a God even though he can't see him. His dad responds by showing him an example. He takes a cup of water and pours some salt in the cup. The next day he has his kid look in the cup. He asks him, "you see the salt?" The kid looks in the glass and obviously says no. The dad then says, "see, just because you can't see something, doesn't mean it isn't there."

P.S. I am not trying to push my faith on you, Emilio. I just thought I would share with the others.

[Emilio7]

I don't remember what philosopher used this example because I learned about it last year in a religions class:

A little kid one day asks his dad how he knows there is a God even though he can't see him. His dad responds by showing him an example. He takes a cup of water and pours some salt in the cup. The next day he has his kid look in the cup. He asks him, "you see the salt?" The kid looks in the glass and obviously says no. The dad then says, "see, just because you can't see something, doesn't mean it isn't there."

P.S. I am not trying to push my faith on you, Emilio. I just thought I would share with the others.

dude the whole salt/water experiment is just a matter of the salt dissolving. I honestly can't see what that has to do with god..but whatever

[gatorunvrsty]

Honestly, which faith one has, is less important than just having one. Believing that there is something bigger or greater than yourself (human beings) is faith. Not having that is conceit.

[zartan]

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." -Bertrand Russell

[gatorunvrsty]

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." -Bertrand Russell

That's true... fanatics aren't open-minded or open to suggestion. And most geniuses are skeptics, and also unteachable or open to suggestion. Both think they're always right, and refuse to consider the ideas or ideals of others. In the end, it makes both groups foolish.

[adamsputnik]

Honestly, which faith one has, is less important than just having one. Believing that there is something bigger or greater than yourself (human beings) is faith. Not having that is conceit.

Are you saying that we should believe in a higher power, or just something bigger than ourselves? For mine, I am not religious, but I am certainly not going to think that humans are the biggest thing out there. I'm in awe of the universe and what is contained within it regardless of how it came to be. I certainly don't put humanity on a pedestal - if anything, that is the domain of many religious folk who put humans down as the supreme creation of God.

Saying that those who do not believe in a higher power are conceited is a little bit much, IMO.

[sheluvsbama]

That's true... fanatics aren't open-minded or open to suggestion. And most geniuses are skeptics, and also unteachable or open to suggestion. Both think they're always right, and refuse to consider the ideas or ideals of others. In the end, it makes both groups foolish.

I never heard it said so beautifully. Very, very true.

[Emilio7]

Are you saying that we should believe in a higher power, or just something bigger than ourselves? For mine, I am not religious, but I am certainly not going to think that humans are the biggest thing out there. I'm in awe of the universe and what is contained within it regardless of how it came to be. I certainly don't put humanity on a pedestal - if anything, that is the domain of many religious folk who put humans down as the supreme creation of God.

Saying that those who do not believe in a higher power are conceited is a little bit much, IMO.

I completely agree. I have a hardtime believing that this "god" you believe in made humans as his supreme creation. Earth and the people on it aren't even a dot compared to the universe around us.

[gatorunvrsty]

Are you saying that we should believe in a higher power, or just something bigger than ourselves? For mine, I am not religious, but I am certainly not going to think that humans are the biggest thing out there. I'm in awe of the universe and what is contained within it regardless of how it came to be. I certainly don't put humanity on a pedestal - if anything, that is the domain of many religious folk who put humans down as the supreme creation of God.

Saying that those who do not believe in a higher power are conceited is a little bit much, IMO.

I'm saying people who consider themselves to be the greatest creation are conceited. I'm not religious, either; although I was raised Catholic. I haven't attended formal church for years; and feel like I can talk to who I consider God, any time and place I want. I'm also not saying anybody SHOULD believe in anything. What I'm saying is I've been both; and having no faith in something greater than myself was a miserable existence. Additionally, people who think they have complete control over everything in and around their lives, are setting themselves up for repeated disappointment. Because, if one thinks that, then he has no one to blame but himself should things not work out the way he planned; nor does he have anywhere to turn in times of need. I just believe things will continue to happen by design, despite my best efforts. I have free will, and can control some things; but, there will always be some things I can't affect; and if humans are all there is, we're in serious trouble. I consider myself more spiritual than religious. Religions get manipulated by humans to suit their specific needs and beliefs... that's why there are so many of them. As far as morality and righteousness, most religions agree on most of them; if you study them enough. Only the particulars and rituals are different.

[sheluvsbama]

It doesn't matter what you believe in as long as it gives you peace, courage, strength and hope. As long as it teaches you kindness and compassion. As long as there is something you are willing to admit is more important, more awesome than yourself. True, something bigger. My father always said all religion is just to make you a better person, and not to put down any. I always thought that was good advice. It can enrich your life to believe in something bigger, but it doesn't have to necessarily be the conventional idea of God.

[SWINETIME]

People who easily disount the existence and miracles of Jesus Christ should really take some time to learn about the bible. The New Testament is a historical document that contains written accounts of at least 8 different indepent witnesses giving testimonials to what they saw. The earliest documentations found were written as early as 25 years after the death of Jesus Christ. Other hitorical documentations, non-christian, mention the existence of Jesus Christ. In fact, the new testament, by FAR, is the most accurate historical document that exist today. We see movies on Alexander the great and take it as fact word by word but the earliest know document of Alexander the great was written 500 years after his death. Even the most staunch evolutionists are now stating that there most likely is a supreme creator. They now beleive that the universe was created in less than a second from a mass as small as a marble. If that does not indicate a supernatural force at work, nothing does. Point is, there is much more evidence to beleive in the existence and documentation of the events surrounding Jesus Christ than there is to not beleive. I am not a religous person but I do beleive in the teachings of Christ as being devine and a guide to how we should live our life.