Heisman poll.

[GatorBait15]

Vote for 1st place....

[GatorBait15]

I think no R kansas/ Gator fans voting would give us a good look at things too....

[crusse10]

i think mcfadden should get it.
sure, tebow has all those tds, but i'm really not that impressed with it, honestly.
alot of his touchdown runs are 1 yard runs in a BS formation, with linebackers playing as fullbacks.
sure the wildhog seems unfair as well, but i think that's more fair than putting defensive players in on offense.
that's like something that a kid does playing NCAA 08 when he realized his line isn't big enough to hold when on the 2 yard line, so he beefs it up by putting the only other "big" guys in who are also someone agile, being linebackers.

i figure alot of qbs could have that many rushing touchdowns if other coaches would make that call.
not so many running backs would be as stellar as mcfadden, no matter how they run

[GatorBait15]

alot of 1 yard runs but he drives down the feild to get them.. come on he almost has 4000 yards give me a break about the 1 yrd tds

[crusse10]

i'm just saying, his td stats are severely inflated by all the 1 yard runs for a TD.
with the holes the LBs create, even Eric Cartmen could hobble through to the endzone

[ugamcrae]

I think the fact that Mcfadden is the highest rated college player by the pros speaks volumes. Face it - that amazing performance against LSU really helps his chances.

[nellanaesp]

I think the fact that Mcfadden is the highest rated college player by the pros speaks volumes. Face it - that amazing performance against LSU really helps his chances.

and against South Carolina :sad:

[GatorChomp]

i'm just saying, his td stats are severely inflated by all the 1 yard runs for a TD.
with the holes the LBs create, even Eric Cartmen could hobble through to the endzone

Give me a break

Tebow had 12/22 rushing TDs from within 5 yards out - 54.5%
McFadden had 8/15 rushing TDs from within 5 yards out - 53.3%

Tebow has 4 TDs from a yard out, McFadden has two. Not a big difference

Get your facts right if you are going to call Tebow out on short runs for TDs.

That has to be one of the most overused examples against Tebow and his and McFadden's close yardage Touchdowns are identical.

[GatorHunter]

Give me a break

Tebow had 12/22 rushing TDs from within 5 yards out - 54.5%
McFadden had 8/15 rushing TDs from within 5 yards out - 53.3%

Tebow has 4 TDs from a yard out, McFadden has two. Not a big difference

Get your facts right if you are going to call Tebow out on short runs for TDs.

That has to be one of the most overused examples against Tebow and his and McFadden's close yardage Touchdowns are identical.

Actually, I'm pretty sure 9 of DMac 15 TDs (60%) are from inside the 5. And you're right, that is one of the most overused "cliches"...and shows the people saying it haven't done their research.

[Gator2753]

i'm just saying, his td stats are severely inflated by all the 1 yard runs for a TD.
with the holes the LBs create, even Eric Cartmen could hobble through to the endzone

How about all those TD's that Dmac scored when Arkansas was inside the 5. I think its 8 or 9?
Weak arguement. Next.

[crusse10]

what i'm saying is that its not that his touchdowns are from 1 yard out, its that when he runs that 1 yard touchdown, he isn't working for it. the defensive players in on offense make a hole so large, its practically impossible for a defense to stop anyone running it.
mcfadden actually works for the touchdown all the way to the goalline.

[Gator2753]

Well I guess well just fall back on his 3100+ passing yards and 29 passing TD's. Looks like those are well earned:glare:

[usafbamafan]

what i'm saying is that its not that his touchdowns are from 1 yard out, its that when he runs that 1 yard touchdown, he isn't working for it. the defensive players in on offense make a hole so large, its practically impossible for a defense to stop anyone running it.
mcfadden actually works for the touchdown all the way to the goalline.

If it is so easy, why isn't everyone doing it???

You are an idiot:thumbsdow

If Tebow was a Senior this wouldn't even be a discussion. He has done something that NO OTHER COLLEGE PLAYER EVER has accomplished. 'nuff said.

[GatorBait15]

what i'm saying is that its not that his touchdowns are from 1 yard out, its that when he runs that 1 yard touchdown, he isn't working for it. the defensive players in on offense make a hole so large, its practically impossible for a defense to stop anyone running it.
mcfadden actually works for the touchdown all the way to the goalline.

Well he drives them down the feild to get to the one yard line, he is a great player with a big heart, his stats speak for themselfs who cares how far out the TD's were, he has 51!

[Gator2753]

Well he drives them down the feild to get to the one yard line, he is a great player with a big heart, his stats speak for themselfs who cares how far out the TD's were, he has 51!

Some people can't seem to understand this. He's an eyelash under 4000 total yards in 12 games. Thats whats behind those 51 TD's. Everyone of those 51 TD's was earned.
Again, Tebows passing and running are usually what gets UF in goal line situations. Its not like last year when Leak would drive the Gators to the goal line and then tebow would come in and score.
This year it was all Tebow.

[GatorBait15]

Some people can't seem to understand this. He's an eyelash under 4000 total yards in 12 games. Thats whats behind those 51 TD's. Everyone of those 51 TD's was earned.
Again, Tebows passing and running are usually what gets UF in goal line situations. Its not like last year when Leak would drive the Gators to the goal line and then tebow would come in and score.
This year it was all Tebow.

Agreed it still seems alike people have that mind set, and maybe they don't watch Tebow play...but out of a vol fan that we hung up 59 on h should know how good Tebow was and how big of a roll he played!

[MSUBULLY]

McFadden deserves it. He is the best college player this year. Without him Arkansas wouldn't have probally one a game at all, but with him they were able to finish the year strong and make it to the Cotton Bowl. I don't want to inflame the Gator posters, I think Tebow is a hell of a QB, and will probally win a Heisman before his college days are over, but McFadden is the best player this year period. If he was on a team that had a decent QB, say Tennessee for example, there wouldn't even be a question about who will win the Heisman. Sorry I don't mean to piss any one off just giving an outsiders opinion.

[Gator2753]

McFadden deserves it. He is the best college player this year. Without him Arkansas wouldn't have probally one a game at all, but with him they were able to finish the year strong and make it to the Cotton Bowl. I don't want to inflame the Gator posters, I think Tebow is a hell of a QB, and will probally win a Heisman before his college days are over, but McFadden is the best player this year period. If he was on a team that had a decent QB, say Tennessee for example, there wouldn't even be a question about who will win the Heisman. Sorry I don't mean to piss any one off just giving an outsiders opinion.

Im not mad. I respect your opinion and your entitled to it.
If anyone deserves it besides Tebow then it is McFadden.

But I will say that the only way Tebow does not get it, is because the voters didn't want to give it to a sophomore. Period. If Tebow were a Junior...whole different ball game. UF had the #1 scoring offense in the SEC. His stats certainly won't be overlooked.

But as long as its Tebow or McFadden this year, we can have a little faith in how the Heisman trophy works. Both deserve it.

[GatorBait15]

Well if not this year, maybe next year and if not next maybe when he is a senior haha.

[MSUBULLY]

Thanks for not flaming on me and I agree with you Tebow deserves it too but since there can be only one I think the one should be McFadden this year. Good luck to ya'll in your Bowl, I hope ya'll beat the Hell out of the Big blue, I'm tired of hearing about the Big 10. It would be nice if all of the SEC/Big 10 matchups would be blowouts for the SEC.

[crusse10]

If it is so easy, why isn't everyone doing it???

You are an idiot:thumbsdow

If Tebow was a Senior this wouldn't even be a discussion. He has done something that NO OTHER COLLEGE PLAYER EVER has accomplished. 'nuff said.

Colt Brennan, a junior last year, did something no other college player ever has accomplished. he had over 60 total touchdowns.
he didn't win it.

you're saying i'm an idiot for thinking that mcfadden should get it?

don't worry, there's always next year for beating ULM. some things are just more difficult for some than others.

[GatorBait15]

Colt Brennan, a junior last year, did something no other college player ever has accomplished. he had over 60 total touchdowns.
he didn't win it.

you're saying i'm an idiot for thinking that mcfadden should get it?

don't worry, there's always next year for beating ULM. some things are just more difficult for some than others.

Well I respect your opinion and it's not a bad argument saying he should win it, but saying Tebows TD's are all 1 yard runs and even a caveman can do it is stupid he has the yards to prove he is one of the best.

[Gator2753]

Good article from ESPN on why the candidates will and will not win the heisman.
Look at the only reason listed as to why Tebow will not win the heisman.
ESPN - Four finalists emerge from unpredictable Heisman race - College Football (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?id=3142744&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1)

[GatorBait15]

Good article from ESPN on why the candidates will and will not win the heisman.
Look at the only reason listed as to why Tebow will not win the heisman.
ESPN - Four finalists emerge from unpredictable Heisman race - College Football (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?id=3142744&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1)

Great article thanks

[crusse10]

i'm not saying anyone can do everything he's doing.
i'm just saying that anyone can run the ball from a yard out, the way he does, with the blocking he has.
also, i think that if they utilized the running back position to its full potential (or at the very least to any potential) from 5 yards out of the end zone and closer, his numbers would have been less inflated. tebow has nearly twice as many runs as the true running back. true, part of that is because he's a strong player and a good runner, but i just think that mcfadden deserves it more.

oh, and the reason more people don't do it is because they prefer simply handing it off to their running back inside the 5 yardline, instead of putting in defensive players to make room so the qb can go through.

[GatorHunter]

McFadden deserves it. He is the best college player this year. Without him Arkansas wouldn't have probally one a game at all, but with him they were able to finish the year strong and make it to the Cotton Bowl. I don't want to inflame the Gator posters, I think Tebow is a hell of a QB, and will probally win a Heisman before his college days are over, but McFadden is the best player this year period. If he was on a team that had a decent QB, say Tennessee for example, there wouldn't even be a question about who will win the Heisman. Sorry I don't mean to piss any one off just giving an outsiders opinion.

I agree...you are entitled to your opinion. Just understand that a majority of the Heisman voters don't see it this way. Tebow has done something no other player in the history of CFB has done...20/20. It's highly doubtful that Tebow will have these type numbers next year with the incoming stud RBs. McFadden is a deserving candidate...if Tebow wasn't in it. McFadden done exactly what we all expected him to do. But, he had bad games...vs same teams, Tebow scored 21 TDs...McFadden 7. I'm not going to belittle what McFadden has done to promote Tebow...Tebow's unpresidented numbers speak for themselves. Why shouldn't he get? Because McFadden is the better NFL prospect right now? I agree with the Gator, the only way Tebow doesn't win it will be because he's a sophomore.

i'm not saying anyone can do everything he's doing.
i'm just saying that anyone can run the ball from a yard out, the way he does, with the blocking he has.
also, i think that if they utilized the running back position to its full potential (or at the very least to any potential) from 5 yards out of the end zone and closer, his numbers would have been less inflated. tebow has nearly twice as many runs as the true running back. true, part of that is because he's a strong player and a good runner, but i just think that mcfadden deserves it more.

oh, and the reason more people don't do it is because they prefer simply handing it off to their running back inside the 5 yardline, instead of putting in defensive players to make room so the qb can go through.

Defensive players? WTH are you talking about?

Only 53% of Tebow's TDs were 5 or less yards. 60% of McFadden's were. So...who benefited the most from the short TD runs?:whistle:

[sheluvsbama]

Im not mad. I respect your opinion and your entitled to it.
If anyone deserves it besides Tebow then it is McFadden.

But I will say that the only way Tebow does not get it, is because the voters didn't want to give it to a sophomore. Period. If Tebow were a Junior...whole different ball game. UF had the #1 scoring offense in the SEC. His stats certainly won't be overlooked.

But as long as its Tebow or McFadden this year, we can have a little faith in how the Heisman trophy works. Both deserve it.

I think it is a shame that it seems to matter that he is a soph. After all, it is about the best college football player. He shouldn't be penalized because he is not a junior or senior. That means the best player might not get the recognition he deserves. Very screwed up.

[crusse10]

linebackers in as fullbacks

[gatorunvrsty]

linebackers in as fullbacks

I've seen folks post nonsense, but I'd have to say you post, by far, the most opinions without any facts, and without doing any research or homework. I'll tell you, it's not even hard, either... you need go no further than this site. You obviously missed this thread this morning: http://www.sectalk.com/boards/sec-football-talk/24222-tebow-vs-mcfadden-rivals-senior-writer-makes-case-tebow.html For the lazy, I'll go ahead and post the comparison between the 2 people we're discussing.

Buchanan's Ballot: In the end, it has to be...

Olin Buchanan
Rivals.com College Football Senior Writer

For the first time in 11 years, a football player from the Southeastern Conference will win the Heisman Trophy. But who is subject to intense debate.

Florida sophomore quarterback Tim Tebow and Arkansas junior tailback Darren McFadden are the serious contenders, and supporters of each can pose legitimate arguments that their favorite should follow 1996 winner Danny Wuerffel as the SEC's next Heisman recipient.

The numbers put up by Tim Tebow could be enough for the sophomore to claim the Heisman.

Tebow ranks seventh in the nation in total offense (3,970 yards), is second in passing efficiency and is the first player in NCAA Division I-A history to exceed 20 touchdowns rushing and passing in the same season.

McFadden, who might be the best pro prospect if he enters the NFL draft as expected, ranks fourth in the nation with 1,725 rushing yards.

After closely considering the performance of both players this season, my vote goes to Tebow, who would be the first sophomore to receive the award.

Tebow played more difficult competition and, in my opinion, performed better overall against common opponents.

The teams that Florida faced finished a combined 88-58. In comparison, Arkansas' opponents were a combined 70-75.

The common opponents Tebow and McFadden faced were Tennessee, Ole Miss, Auburn, South Carolina, LSU, Kentucky and Troy. Florida went 5-2 against those teams, while Arkansas was 4-3.

Tebow accounted for 21 touchdowns in those seven games, McFadden seven. McFadden rushed for more than 100 yards in six of those games, but Tebow passed for more than 200 yards in six games, too, and rushed for more than 90 yards in three of them.

Moreover, Tebow accounted for at least two touchdowns and at least 225 yards in those games. McFadden had one touchdown or less in four of them.

And while the most of the rushing touchdowns Tebow scored this season were on short runs, McFadden also scored nine of his 15 touchdowns on runs from 5 yards or less.

The bottom line is both had excellent seasons, but Tebow had a better year.

Only a very small part of that is opinion. The numbers and comparisons are FACTS.

[gatorunvrsty]

Some people can't seem to understand this. He's an eyelash under 4000 total yards in 12 games. Thats whats behind those 51 TD's. Everyone of those 51 TD's was earned.
Again, Tebows passing and running are usually what gets UF in goal line situations. Its not like last year when Leak would drive the Gators to the goal line and then tebow would come in and score.
This year it was all Tebow.

There's one thing some of us aren't realizing, too. Most of them aren't voting for who they think should win the Heisman, they're voting for the guy who doesn't play for a team they hate. The fact is, many folks are just tired of seeing UF grab so many riches, and think we should be good guys and LET some other folks get some rewards and awards... as if we have any control over it in the first place. It's especially obvious coming from the UT guy, whose team Tebow lit up for 59 points. He doesn't even use facts to support his case; and the ones he does use are wrong, always not in Tebow's favor.:dry: Pathetic, really.

[sheluvsbama]

There's one thing some of us aren't realizing, too. Most of them aren't voting for who they think should win the Heisman, they're voting for the guy who doesn't play for a team they hate. The fact is, many folks are just tired of seeing UF grab so many riches, and think we should be good guys and LET some other folks get some rewards and awards... as if we have any control over it in the first place. It's especially obvious coming from the UT guy, whose team Tebow lit up for 59 points. He doesn't even use facts to support his case; and the ones he does use are wrong, always not in Tebow's favor.:dry: Pathetic, really.

It doesn't matter. Nothing can change the facts. Nothing anyone can say has the power to alter the truth. Florida has been fortunate enough to have many good things come their way. They fought for those things and they deserve those things. It is wrong to deny them recognition out ofjealousy for what they have accomplished. Not talking about it or denying it will not make it less true. Tebow is deserving and he should not be passed over just because he is a soph or because someone else is jealous of the attention he and the Gators have gotten. It was hard work to get there. Reward the hard work in the spirit of true sportsmanship. Give him the Trophy.

[adamsputnik]

If Tebow doesn't win the award then something is amiss. He is the very definition of outstanding, with an additional trait - consistency, something which McFadden lacks to an extent.

Though frankly all of them would be worthy winners, in my mind Tebow is by far the most deserving.

[LSU PRIDE]

Tebows numbers are great and he earned his TDs .. thats gotta be the dumbest sh!t i ever heard that he didnt earn his TDs...

if u had a vote id give it to him by a land slide... 50 total TDs :thumpsup:

[PuddingTime]

McFadden w/out a doubt.

[gatorunvrsty]

Tebows numbers are great and he earned his TDs .. thats gotta be the dumbest sh!t i ever heard that he didnt earn his TDs...
if u had a vote id give it to him by a land slide... 50 total TDs :thumpsup:

Especially dumb when I even went to all the trouble to post a list of all of Tebow's TD's from beyond 10 yards. Even in the ones that aren't from beyond 10 yards, you better believe he earns them. When he's at the 5-yard line in, everybody in the world knows he's coming; and he still rumbles in almost every time. Doesn't require much research to see that is a ridiculous assertion. Here's the list again.

Tebow's TD's from outside the 10.
VS.
WKU
Riley Cooper 59 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow
Percy Harvin 19 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow
Riley Cooper 42 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow

Troy
Tim Tebow 16 Yard Run

UT
Riley Cooper 30 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow
Cornelius Ingram 20 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow

Ole Miss
Percy Harvin 19 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow
Louis Murphy 37 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow
* He also had a 9-yard TD Run

LSU
Cornelius Ingram 37 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow
*He also had a 9-yard TD Run

UK
Cornelius Ingram 10 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow
Louis Murphy 66 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow

UGA
Louis Murphy 40 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow

Vandy
Jarred Fayson 11 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow
Andre Caldwell 14 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow

USC
Jarred Fayson 22 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow
Andre Caldwell 21 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow

FAU
Cornelius Ingram 26 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow
Aaron Hernandez 13 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow

F$U
Tim Tebow 23 Yd Run
Louis Murphy 32 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow
Louis Murphy 14 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow
Andre Caldwell 31 Yd Pass From Tim Tebow

[SWINETIME]

Give me a break

Tebow had 12/22 rushing TDs from within 5 yards out - 54.5%
McFadden had 8/15 rushing TDs from within 5 yards out - 53.3%

Tebow has 4 TDs from a yard out, McFadden has two. Not a big difference

Get your facts right if you are going to call Tebow out on short runs for TDs.

That has to be one of the most overused examples against Tebow and his and McFadden's close yardage Touchdowns are identical.


That is misleading because Mcfadden has numerous runs that were longer that were not for TD's. The same cant be said for Tebow. Mcfadden is the better player. Only hope he gets a fare shake because T-bow is the white darling of the media. I say that and I am white.

[GatorBait15]

the same can be said for Tebow, and Tebow is the heart and soul of our top notch offense.

[FightinTiger71]

It's kinda funny, the two main contenders are a running back who wants to be a quarterback and a quarterback who wants to be a running back :lol: But what is interesting is that the only Heisman candidate on a team playing in a BCS bowl is .........Colt Brennan of Hawaii.......

[GatorBait15]

Odd year you could say lol.

[GatorBait15]

Tebow with another class interveiw says he is happy to be there let the voters decide and he isn't going to worry about it he is having alot of fun with it. on the other hand D mac say's he feels like he had a great year and feels good about it...

[gatorunvrsty]

That is misleading because Mcfadden has numerous runs that were longer that were not for TD's. The same cant be said for Tebow. Mcfadden is the better player. Only hope he gets a fare shake because T-bow is the white darling of the media. I say that and I am white.

That's an outright lie. Tebow has plenty of long runs that didn't result in TD's, too. He'd have to to average 4.3 yards a carry, when (as so many of the misinformed keep saying) he has several from a yard out. You can't have it both ways: If he's only rushing for TD's and first downs from a yard out, he must have a lot of long carries to get that average. Here's another thing you "students" aren't taking into account: Tebow's yardage and average (838 and 4.3) are for a QB, and his numbers get subtracted when he's sacked. McFadden has no such worries. Take off Tebow's sacks, and he's probably got close to 1,000 yards rushing... FROM A QB who also has over 3,000 passing. Also, just as the people who do their homework have said, DMac simply didn't show up for every game. Hell, he had 61 yards on 19 carries (3.2 ypc) against Florida International, for God's sake; and his 4 TD runs were from 3, 2, 2, and 1 yards. Yeah, that's damn impressive against the weakest team on the schedule. Add to that the lame 17-43 (2.5 ypc) yard effort against Auburn, and the equally lame 28-88 (3.2 ypc) yard effort against MSU; and you don't have a Heisman Trophy winner. If any of you folks can go back and find 3 games that bad against teams that bad in the records of Herschel and Bo during their Heisman seasons, I'll eat my crow. Heisman Trophy winners can't be that inconsistent; and definitely not against the likes of FIU and MSU, who he should have had at least 200 yards against... 300 in FIU's case.

[roosterbooster]

That is misleading because Mcfadden has numerous runs that were longer that were not for TD's. The same cant be said for Tebow. Mcfadden is the better player. Only hope he gets a fare shake because T-bow is the white darling of the media. I say that and I am white.


That's an outright lie, you're not white!!

[gatorunvrsty]

That's an outright lie, you're not white!!

Probably right... no white person would call Tebow a white media darling or even refer to race, when it hasn't even come up in any of the conversations about this.:glare:

[geechee]

Probably right... no white person would call Tebow a white media darling or even refer to race, when it hasn't even come up in any of the conversations about this.:glare:

He just did:laugh:

[GatorHunter]

linebackers in as fullbacks

You've got some bad info, crusse. The Gators have not once this season used a LB at FB to block for Tebow. The only FB we have on the team is Rutledge...and he's never played a snap at LB. Besides, he only comes in on 3rd and short or GL situations. Got some fictional info crusse.

[gatorunvrsty]

He just did:laugh:

Re-read the exchange.

[sheluvsbama]

That is misleading because Mcfadden has numerous runs that were longer that were not for TD's. The same cant be said for Tebow. Mcfadden is the better player. Only hope he gets a fare shake because T-bow is the white darling of the media. I say that and I am white.

Of course he will get a fair shake, if you can call the Heisman vote "fair." It is just opinions of a group of people who are supposed to be well versed on the subject. I have seen no evidence of race playing any role in this. We shouldn't be naive enough to believe the best athlete always wins, but we continue to hope. There are a million opinions about who should or will win, but I hope it goes into the hands of Tebow.

[gatoraus]

You've got some bad info, crusse. The Gators have not once this season used a LB at FB to block for Tebow. The only FB we have on the team is Rutledge...and he's never played a snap at LB. Besides, he only comes in on 3rd and short or GL situations. Got some fictional info crusse.

I am glad you posted this. I just read through this whole thread and no one said anything about it. I don't know what Crusse is talking about, but we have never had a linebacker in at fullback. Crusse, I think you are thinking of the Patriots with Mike Vraible. All I know is when you try to argue something, the best thing you can do is have your facts straight. Right now you are just throwing around random BS because you are still bitter about Tebow putting 59 up on you.

[GatorHunter]

T-bow is the white darling of the media. I say that and I am white.

I'm glad you brought this up...I surely didn't want to...BUT, it was being discussed on another board. Interestingly, Mark May is the only "known" African-American that HAS voted for Tebow. Troy Smith voted for DMac, Tim Brown voted for Daniel McFadden, Ishmail voted for DMac, Charlie Ward voted for DMac (his reasoning was the Heisman winner shouldn't have 3 losses...:rolleyes:)...I don't know one former winner, a black former winner that voted for Tebow....so, who's the "white" media darling?:thumbsdow

[gatorunvrsty]

I'm glad you brought this up...I surely didn't want to...BUT, it was being discussed on another board. Interestingly, Mark May is the only "known" African-American that HAS voted for Tebow. Troy Smith voted for DMac, Tim Brown voted for Daniel McFadden, Ishmail voted for DMac, Charlie Ward voted for DMac (his reasoning was the Heisman winner shouldn't have 3 losses...:rolleyes:)...I don't know one former winner, a black former winner that voted for Tebow....so, who's the "white" media darling?:thumbsdow

I noticed that, too. If anybody's getting the benefit of the doubt or favoritism along racial lines, it's DMac. Those guys obviously refuse to vote for a white guy, and will justify it any way they can. Hell, Brown didn't even know DMac's name... he just voted for the black running back.

[GatorBait15]

I think we all know why Archie Griffin will not vote for T-bow!

[GatorHunter]

I think we all know why Archie Griffin will not vote for T-bow!

Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, Matt Leinart, Carson Palmer and Jason White all voted Tebow #1...:thumbs:

[GatorBait15]

I bet Danny did too!

[Gator2753]

Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, Matt Leinart, Carson Palmer and Jason White all voted Tebow #1...:thumbs:

I figured Crouch would:thumpsup:

[GatorNation]

I think we all know why Archie Griffin will not vote for T-bow!

yeah, he probably got a call from Troy Smith talking about how Tebow and the Gators hurt his widdle feewings....

[GatorHunter]

yeah, he probably got a call from Troy Smith talking about how Tebow and the Gators hurt his widdle feewings....

Talk about being a "sore loser"...Troy Smith didn't even have Tebow in his top 3...:rolleyes:

[crusse10]

You've got some bad info, crusse. The Gators have not once this season used a LB at FB to block for Tebow. The only FB we have on the team is Rutledge...and he's never played a snap at LB. Besides, he only comes in on 3rd and short or GL situations. Got some fictional info crusse.

then how come when i watched florida games, the commentators mentioned how they had put in defensive players for blocking.

the formation i'm referring to has tebow in the backfield at what appears to be about 5 yards back, and at the 2 yard back mark has split backs, on on the left and one on the right. they both attack 1 of the 2 holes next to the center, and tebow follows in right behind them. it reminds me somewhat of a wishbone setup, but its not quite.
all i know is that many times i've seen it run, and the commentators always mention how its practically an impossible play to stop, because they've got linebackers set up to widen a hole for tebow to walk through
i remember tebow actually getting stopped a couple times running that play against lsu.

[crusse10]

wonder if that spurrier dude did...

[GatorHunter]

then how come when i watched florida games, the commentators mentioned how they had put in defensive players for blocking.

the formation i'm referring to has tebow in the backfield at what appears to be about 5 yards back, and at the 2 yard back mark has split backs, on on the left and one on the right. they both attack 1 of the 2 holes next to the center, and tebow follows in right behind them. it reminds me somewhat of a wishbone setup, but its not quite.
all i know is that many times i've seen it run, and the commentators always mention how its practically an impossible play to stop, because they've got linebackers set up to widen a hole for tebow to walk through
i remember tebow actually getting stopped a couple times running that play against lsu.

I have no idea what they (the commentators) are referring to. There's not a single defensive player that has played a single down of offense this year. Now, we've moved a couple of offensive players over to defense (M. Pouncey and M. Manson). In the play you are referring to...Tebow is in the shotgun with Rutledge on one side and Moore on the other...both are well over 200#s so I could see where the commentators would think they were LBs...but both are RBs. And Tebow scored on a 9 yd TD run vs LSU outta that play.:)

[GatorHunter]

wonder if that spurrier dude did...

Spurs may look like a Cock on the outside...but he's all Gator on the inside...;)

[crusse10]

i just know that i've heard them mention the linebackers playing many, many times.
like...almost every time i see the formation

[GatorBait15]

well if we used lb's I will say good job coach I see it is working! ho cares who we use the point is it works!

[GeauxTo]

Between McFadden and Tebow, it is very close. In our games with them, each one kept you as nervous as a cat because you knew they could make it happen on any given play. Both are outstanding, for sure. But, in the long run, I think Tebow brings more to the table. He's not only linebacker-strong with fullback running ability, but he's also a great passer. McFadden runs better than Tebow but Tebow passes better than McFadden. I think Tebow wins the Heisman.

[GatorBait15]

If Tebow wins heisman he will be the 1st to shake with his left hand!!!!

[GatorHunter]

i just know that i've heard them mention the linebackers playing many, many times.
like...almost every time i see the formation

I'm not flaming you, crusse. And, I may have heard that once before...I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. But I've watched every snap of every Gator Game this season...and I can tell you that I haven't heard that "many many times".

Either way...it's not true. Trust me.

[gatoraus]

i just know that i've heard them mention the linebackers playing many, many times.
like...almost every time i see the formation

Believe me, we haven't had a linebacker play on offense all year. Maybe when they talk about Tebow and linebackers they are talking about how funny it is that a QB is running over LBs.

P.S. Herbstreit proved this year all ready that we can't go off what we hear...learn from his mistake.:whistle:

[GatorHunter]

I wonder if the commentators were referring to last season? Billy Latsko was our FB...but in the Meyer system...FB aren't really utilized so he was moved to LB. Later, Latsko was moved back to FB...that's the only time I can remember a "LB" playing offense. Certainly not any of the LBs we have now.

[D^3]

Well, I think the poll results above pretty much tell the story of what the actual Heisman voting is going to look like, it's going to be close between D-mac and Tebow.

[TDArkansasOhmy]

You are beating your head against the wall crusse10. These gator fans your debating in here are narrow minded and won't listen to reason. Tebow is there guy no two ways about it. They think stats wins it. I just happy to see voters giving the nod to McFadden as the Walter Camp award last night. That has nothing to do with stats, it was for being the player of the year in college football, just like the heismen.

[BamaFanNKy]

TD you are right. The few gator fans (and the undercover gator fan sheluvsBama) are starting or contributing to threads about the Heisman and Tebow. I stayed away from this one to see what happens. It's like those guys who leave cash in an alley and wait for someone to come by to club them. If we are not all goose stepping Tebow loving fans we are ignorant and get talked down to.

Funny enough...... I would vote for Tebow. But the arrogance and close minded UF fans all of sudden label you anti-UF if you don't bow to their team. Sore winners are worse than sore losers.

[GatorHunter]

You are beating your head against the wall crusse10. These gator fans your debating in here are narrow minded and won't listen to reason. Tebow is there guy no two ways about it. They think stats wins it. I just happy to see voters giving the nod to McFadden as the Walter Camp award last night. That has nothing to do with stats, it was for being the player of the year in college football, just like the heismen.

TD you are right. The few gator fans (and the undercover gator fan sheluvsBama) are starting or contributing to threads about the Heisman and Tebow. I stayed away from this one to see what happens. It's like those guys who leave cash in an alley and wait for someone to come by to club them. If we are not all goose stepping Tebow loving fans we are ignorant and get talked down to.

Funny enough...... I would vote for Tebow. But the arrogance and close minded UF fans all of sudden label you anti-UF if you don't bow to their team. Sore winners are worse than sore losers.

You guys are hilarious...B-O-O H-O-O...:D

All we've done is offer differing opinions...challenged yours and had a good discussion. Now, you guys feel like you've been attacked? Wow...talk about "close minded".

I have enjoyed the discussions with you two. McFadden would've been a deserving Heisman winner...and he still could be. Still, Tebow's season is unparalleled. If "stiffarmtrophy.com" is correct...and they have been since they started projecting the Heisman winner, Tebow won by a comfortable margin.

[BamaFanNKy]

GatorHunter..... your not the one I was refering to. It's some of your other guys. Carrying an open discussion with them is like discussing the "Blow Back" Theory with someone who calls french fries freedom fries. :)

[GatorHunter]

GatorHunter..... your not the one I was refering to. It's some of your other guys. Carrying an open discussion with them is like discussing the "Blow Back" Theory with someone who calls french fries freedom fries. :)

I know, man.:thumbs: