Stop the b*tching....

[volimhtown]

...about the fact that the Big 10 and Pac 10 don't have to play in a conference championship game. Or at the very least direct your complaints to the correct folks....the SEC.

This entire Championship Game stuff was started by the SEC and Big 12 and it had ZERO to do about football. It was born out of greed...a way to make more money and promote their product with absolutely no regard to or thought of on-field ramifications. These conferences did this on their own without a plan or without the support of the other major conferences. Considering the historical arrogance of the SEC, I hold no ill-will what so ever towards the Big 10 and Pac 10 for their reluctance to adapt the same.
Without complete compliance to a conference championship game format for all conferences, the SEC will continue to be playing on an un-level playing field and will have a tougher climb to achieve a National Title with the "very little to gain but plenty to lose" nature of the game.

Just remember, SEC fans, the next time you :crying::blah::cry::blah::crying: about how USC and Ohio State don't have to risk it all by playing in a conference championship game, we are getting exactly what "we" deserve and desired!! :glare:

[gatorunvrsty]

Are there really people complaining about having a championship game? :wacko: I think it's great; and is an advantage, not a detriment. The extra game gives SEC, ACC, and Big 12 teams an extra game to move up in polls, and jump teams that lay around dormant in the BCS. It put us in the NC game last year. If you're confident in your team's abilities, it can only help. I hear the Big 10 and Pac 10 guys complaining that they don't have one... for the very reasons I listed. At least if you play in one, you have some control over how far you go.

[GatorBait15]

IMO I love the sec game if not for it we may have not ben in some national championship games! ''last year''

[Tennessee Ted]

Last year it was a benefit to the Gators. A playoff is inevitable anyways. I can handle the inequity for a couple more years.

[reese]

i actually heard that if missouri lost then there was a small chance that if lsu beat tenn bad enuf, they would jump them in front of 1 loss OSU to play WV in the championship. without the SECCG, there would be no such chance

[gatorunvrsty]

i actually heard that if missouri lost then there was a small chance that if lsu beat tenn bad enuf, they would jump them in front of 1 loss OSU to play WV in the championship. without the SECCG, there would be no such chance

Exactly. I was going to say the same thing, but wasn't certain if it was mathematically possible. But, the fact is, that putting up a ton of points against UT is LSU's only remaining chance that one of the 2 best teams will even be in the NCG.

[GatorBait15]

yeah we would all wait out the computers to play out

[reese]

as much as i havent been impressed with lsu..(i picked them to lose 2 games this year preseason) a 2 loss season by them is more MNC worthy then OSU, kansas 1 loss seasons. they would also jump uga since we didnt even make our conference championship game and would jump VT since they pounded then earlier this year

[GatorBait15]

What does the M in mnc stand 4?

[reese]

What does the M in mnc stand 4?

lol i dont kno...i just say it cuz everyone else does...ive always wondered what it stood for too

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

lol i dont kno...i just say it cuz everyone else does...ive always wondered what it stood for too
MNC = Mythical National Championship (since it's won without a tournament)

[GatorBait15]

..thanks..

[PuddingTime]

It did take 6 total OTs to even give LSU those 2 losses. That's gotta count for something. WVU I have no problem w/in the title game, I believe they've earned it. OSU hasn't, Mizzou hasn't unless they beat Oklahoma, then I would have to admit they are legit. Who knows....no one is ever gonna be happy w/this crap until we get a playoff going.

[KillerNut]

This entire Championship Game stuff was started by the SEC and Big 12 and it had ZERO to do about football. It was born out of greed...a way to make more money and promote their product with absolutely no regard to or thought of on-field ramifications.

Post of the year!! Thank you very much volimhtown.

ESPN was saying yesterday that the reason the Big 10 and the Pac 10 are not in a hurry to get a conference championship game is because frankly, they do not need the money like the other conferences do. Hell, the Big 10 is making a killing off the Big 10 network especially since we were the first conference to have an exculsive network. However, I am not againist the idea of a conference championship though. We just need to get Notre Dame to join or another school.

[KillerNut]

i actually heard that if missouri lost then there was a small chance that if lsu beat tenn bad enuf, they would jump them in front of 1 loss OSU to play WV in the championship. without the SECCG, there would be no such chance

I think tOSU's BCS points rating is too high right now for anyone to jump us. We are almost .100 over Georgia and thats quite a wide gap.

[reese]

I think tOSU's BCS points rating is too high right now for anyone to jump us. We are almost .100 over Georgia and thats quite a wide gap.

but if a majority of voters vote lsu into the 2 spot cuz they want them in the game wouldnt they jump them then? idk im just repeating somethin i heard on the radio

[gatorunvrsty]

Post of the year!! Thank you very much volimhtown.

ESPN was saying yesterday that the reason the Big 10 and the Pac 10 are not in a hurry to get a conference championship game is because frankly, they do not need the money like the other conferences do. Hell, the Big 10 is making a killing off the Big 10 network especially since we were the first conference to have an exculsive network. However, I am not againist the idea of a conference championship though. We just need to get Notre Dame to join or another school.

That's ND's excuse for not joining y'all, too. They're about the only remaining independent that doesn't need a conference to stay fiscally flush. Not to mention, they get all kinds of exclusive waivers and contracts to participate in the BCS. And, they have an exclusive deal with a national network to show their games. They all look like fools now, though, since ND wasn't worth watching all year. You know the advertisers are livid.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

I think tOSU's BCS points rating is too high right now for anyone to jump us. We are almost .100 over Georgia and thats quite a wide gap.
Well, if anyone does jump you with OSU leading by 100 points, you can steal some of Michigan fan's quotes from last year and rant and rave about how it's all political. :laugh:

[gatorunvrsty]

Well, if anyone does jump you with OSU leading by 100 points, you can steal some of Michigan fan's quotes from last year and rant and rave about how it's all political. :laugh:

:laugh: Yeah, this is all I had for Missingagain fans after last year:

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc12/g8r8u2/hWsDC.jpg?t=1196196303

:happy:

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

:laugh: Yeah, this is all I had for Missingagain fans after last year:

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc12/g8r8u2/hWsDC.jpg?t=1196196303

:happy:
Yes, and here was the guy that entertained us last year on here.....:laugh:

no! I just wanted to see the 2 best teams in america and michigan was 2 when they ended season everyone knows it .169 points ahead they did nothing to lose them , and florida did nothing in 2 weeks to gain them michigan was only worried about usc. No one gain more than 94 points in 2 weeks in top 5 .

No! the bottom line michigan ended season 169 points in bcs ahead of florida then florida played florida state .The bcs didnt reward them any points for that win michigan stayed ahead of them by 169 points . Then they played arkansas and gain 176 points in bcs .No one gain more than 94 points in two weeks in the last 6 weeks, in top 5 .

IF THAT WAS THE CASE WHY WAS MICHIGAN 169 POINTS AHEAD IN THE BCS AT THE END OF MICHIGAN SEASON .NOBODY PICK UP MORE THAN 94 POINT GAIN IN 2 WEEKS IN THE LAST 6 WEEKS OF THE SEASON .YOU GUYS PLAYED FLORIDA STATE WON BY 7 . AND ARKANSAS. THAT JUSTIFYS 175 POINT SWING .DONT THINK SO AND YOU KNOW SO .POLITICS

[gatorunvrsty]

That guy has GOT to be related to Grady.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

That guy has GOT to be related to Grady.

Yeah, he went on and on and on......you should pull up his posts and read some of them (what I posted was only a small sample).

Funny.....he disappeared after the NC Game last year. Wonder why? :laugh:

[gatorunvrsty]

Yeah, he went on and on and on......you should pull up his posts and read some of them (what I posted was only a small sample).

Funny.....he disappeared after the NC Game last year. Wonder why? :laugh:

I think he must have found a more like-minded, forgiving, and compassionate crowd on BigTenTalk.:happy:

[uscrules]

Whether it was started for greed or what ever reason. I personally love it. It at least gives the conferences some type of playoff for the championship since we don't always play everybody. Two of the best teams in our league have to play each other every year.(LSU and Florida) I think in Tennessee's case they should love it, it now gives them an opportunity to play in the Sugar Bowl with 3 losses.

[geechee]

The Pac 10 and Big 10 conferences don't have championships because neither has 12 teams. The NCAA will not allow a conference with less than 12 teams to hold a championship game.

[GatorBait15]

pac 10 should get hawaii and boise state, big 10 notre dame if they would join

[dcbl]

Whether it was started for greed or what ever reason. I personally love it. It at least gives the conferences some type of playoff for the championship since we don't always play everybody. Two of the best teams in our league have to play each other every year.(LSU and Florida) I think in Tennessee's case they should love it, it now gives them an opportunity to play in the Sugar Bowl with 3 losses.

They did a pretty good job of pairing the East v. West games.

Originally, every team had 2 opponents from the other division (primarrily because Bama wanted to keep their traditional rival games with Vandy & UT)

There was NEVER a chance that each team wouldn't keep 1 opponent from the other side - no way the SEC was going to jeopardize breaking up the oldest rivalry in the deep South (UGA v. AU)

FL / LSU
UGA / AU
AL / TN

The traditional powerhouses & top teams in the conference ALL have a damned tough game guaranteed every year.

[dcbl]

pac 10 should get hawaii and boise state, big 10 notre dame if they would join

I have been saying the same thing for a while.

How much would it help recruiting in the PAC 10 to tell kids that they are guaranteed a trip to HI???

I do think that Fresno State might be a better choice than Boise though...

Here are a couple of teams that also might make sense for the Big 10:

Pitt (why not? they brought in PSU...)
Bowling Green
Louisville
Cincinnati
Memphis
Marshall (another one that makes as much sense as Penn State)

They don't NEED Notre Dame to get a 12th team. I would hate to see them pick up another team from MI though.

[geechee]

I have been saying the same thing for a while.

How much would it help recruiting in the PAC 10 to tell kids that they are guaranteed a trip to HI???



Actually, big schools used to schedule a game with UH just for that reason. There is even the Hawaii rule which states that any team can play one extra regular season game as long as that game is against UH and the game is played in Hawaii. It has kind of gone out of style since all those teams would fly to Ohau and lose:laugh:

[GatorBait15]

fresno good pick

[KillerNut]

but if a majority of voters vote lsu into the 2 spot cuz they want them in the game wouldnt they jump them then? idk im just repeating somethin i heard on the radio

This is true and it could happen but I think that LSU would have to put a beatdown of epic preportions for that to happen IMO. I guess it all depends on what Tennessee team shows up Saturday. We'll see and after seeing this crazy season, anything can happen.

I think he must have found a more like-minded, forgiving, and compassionate crowd on BigTenTalk.:happy:

Boo BigTenTalk! You think this site gets hairy at times. To much crazy conflict on there. You better come out with guns blazing and a foil helmet to protect your mind from getting infected with all the retarded thoughts on there.

[geechee]

LSU is not getting back in the title picture this year and neither is UGA. It is what it is.

[uscrules]

LSU is not getting back in the title picture this year and neither is UGA. It is what it is.I agree, 1 loss, you have a chance, 2 losses, forget it.

[KillerNut]

:laugh: Yeah, this is all I had for Missingagain fans after last year:

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc12/g8r8u2/hWsDC.jpg?t=1196196303

:happy:

Okay GU, Even though that hurts a litte http://startrekforum.stgu.com/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif, its pretty damn funny. :laugh:

That's ND's excuse for not joining y'all, too. They're about the only remaining independent that doesn't need a conference to stay fiscally flush. Not to mention, they get all kinds of exclusive waivers and contracts to participate in the BCS. And, they have an exclusive deal with a national network to show their games. They all look like fools now, though, since ND wasn't worth watching all year. You know the advertisers are livid.

NBC is about to drop ND and their exclusive contract with the school because of lack of performance. But being the most popular team in america has its advantages. Just to think they don't have to divide that 13 Mil that they get in their BCS bowl games with anyone else.

Well, if anyone does jump you with OSU leading by 100 points, you can steal some of Michigan fan's quotes from last year and rant and rave about how it's all political.

That guy was an idiot.

[geechee]

NBC is about to drop ND and their exclusive contract with the school because of lack of performance. But being the most popular team in america has its advantages. Just to think they don't have to divide that 13 Mil that they get in their BCS bowl games with anyone else.





If ND ever gets back to a BCS bowl, they would not get the same payout being an independent school as a school from one of the BCS conferences. They would get no more than half. Also the payout is now $17 million and not $13

[KillerNut]

If ND ever gets back to a BCS bowl, they would not get the same payout being an independent school as a school from one of the BCS conferences. They would get no more than half. Also the payout is now $17 million and not $13

Thats still some cash and just to think that they don't have to divide it between 10-12 schools. :dry:

[blues_cap]

Post of the year!! Thank you very much volimhtown.

ESPN was saying yesterday that the reason the Big 10 and the Pac 10 are not in a hurry to get a conference championship game is because frankly, they do not need the money like the other conferences do. Hell, the Big 10 is making a killing off the Big 10 network especially since we were the first conference to have an exculsive network. However, I am not againist the idea of a conference championship though. We just need to get Notre Dame to join or another school.

nut, please enlighten me....from what i understand, the big 10 network was a huge failure. name me one game that anybody outside of the big 10 gave a damn about that wasnt on national tv??? the only decent games the whole year were illinois/osu and mich/osu, both of which were shown on networks outside of the big 10 network. hardly big ratings from the exclusive network.

also, the sec is not in need of any $ any more than any other conference, and we still have a championship....considering the contract with cbs, more bowl teams on an annual basis than any other conference, and the most attendance in the nation, this profit sharing adds up to one of if not the most profitable conference in the country. the main reason the big 10 doesnt have a conference championship is the fact that they dont have 12 teams(regardless of the fact that nobody wants to see michigan and osu play twice every year). in this rare instance, it isnt about money and more about saving face(could you imagine osu/mich in consecutive weeks???).

[Emilio7]

In my opinion every BCS conference should have a championship game...

[gatorunvrsty]

This is true and it could happen but I think that LSU would have to put a beatdown of epic preportions for that to happen IMO. I guess it all depends on what Tennessee team shows up Saturday. We'll see and after seeing this crazy season, anything can happen.

Boo BigTenTalk! You think this site gets hairy at times. To much crazy conflict on there. You better come out with guns blazing and a foil helmet to protect your mind from getting infected with all the retarded thoughts on there.

Yeah, I had to join around prime time last year to get my shots in before we had even been picked to go to the game. I haven't been back in awhile; so I don't know if it's picked up, but when I was there, the place was desolate... it might be hours (even days) before you got a response to a post.

[BAMAPERRY]

The only game I watched on the Big 10 Network this year was week one when Appy St. beat Michigan. Loved it! The rest of the games pretty much sucked. But, if we had an SEC network, I would probably watch the replays of all the games during the week.

[KillerNut]

nut, please enlighten me....from what i understand, the big 10 network was a huge failure. name me one game that anybody outside of the big 10 gave a damn about that wasnt on national tv??? the only decent games the whole year were illinois/osu and mich/osu, both of which were shown on networks outside of the big 10 network. hardly big ratings from the exclusive network.

also, the sec is not in need of any $ any more than any other conference, and we still have a championship....considering the contract with cbs, more bowl teams on an annual basis than any other conference, and the most attendance in the nation, this profit sharing adds up to one of if not the most profitable conference in the country. the main reason the big 10 doesnt have a conference championship is the fact that they dont have 12 teams(regardless of the fact that nobody wants to see michigan and osu play twice every year). in this rare instance, it isnt about money and more about saving face(could you imagine osu/mich in consecutive weeks???).


Yes there are conflicts between the Big 10 network and a few cable companies but of course people up north are going to watch the network. tOSU and UM are a few of the largest fanbases in the country and I love to see other sports sometimes other than football and basketball. Plus if you are a fan of a team that does not regularly get on national TV, this gives you exposure that you want and you'll be able to watch without going to the game. I for one, am interested in seeing how it works out this basketball season. :thumpsup: BTW, if the Big 10 would ever divide and have a conference championship, the most popular opinion would be a east and west division and that tOSU and Mich be in the same division because for the most part, the tOSU/UM game is our CC game every year.

[gatorunvrsty]

Okay GU, Even though that hurts a litte http://startrekforum.stgu.com/images/smiles/icon_cry.gif, its pretty damn funny. :laugh:



NBC is about to drop ND and their exclusive contract with the school because of lack of performance. But being the most popular team in america has its advantages. Just to think they don't have to divide that 13 Mil that they get in their BCS bowl games with anyone else.



That guy was an idiot.

Well, that's good to hear about the NBC contract. NBC learned a very valuable lesson on that deal. That $10-12 mil. is a ton of BCS money to keep all for yourself, too; but, they won't be getting it this year. I think they do actually have to finish ranked 12th or higher to get in; just like the other non-BCS teams that vie for an at-large bid.

[KillerNut]

Yeah, I had to join around prime time last year to get my shots in before we had even been picked to go to the game. I haven't been back in awhile; so I don't know if it's picked up, but when I was there, the place was desolate... it might be hours (even days) before you got a response to a post.

I can think of several sites that are better than that. All of the other sites that I belong to are strictly tOSU sites with a few Michigan trolls. :laugh:

[dcbl]

nut, please enlighten me....from what i understand, the big 10 network was a huge failure. name me one game that anybody outside of the big 10 gave a damn about that wasnt on national tv???

Actually, for football season, the network was a great success.

I've had the opportunity to get to know one of my neighbors when he was my son's baseball coach. The guy lives 4 houses down from me; he used to be the sports guy on one of the local stations, also was in sports talk radio. Currently, he announces NCAA football games every Saturday for ESPN.

I asked him about the Big 10 network (ie - will we get a SEC Network) & he said that the reason they will fail is because of a lack of programming that can generate positive enough ratings to attract advertising dollars when there is no football & basketball.

I can see that, I mean, I don't want to watch women's volleyball..

But they did pretty good this football season.

And I can tell you this as well, I personally was riveted to my TV for the App State v. MI game

Appalachian State is HOT! HOT! HOT! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVENWl8uBeg)YouTube - Appalachian State University is HOT HOT HOT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVENWl8uBeg)

[BamaFanNKy]

Post of the year!! Thank you very much volimhtown.

ESPN was saying yesterday that the reason the Big 10 and the Pac 10 are not in a hurry to get a conference championship game is because frankly, they do not need the money like the other conferences do. Hell, the Big 10 is making a killing off the Big 10 network especially since we were the first conference to have an exculsive network. However, I am not againist the idea of a conference championship though. We just need to get Notre Dame to join or another school.

I love how your conference decides the champ if two teams are equal. You had it last so it goes to the other guy.... very sporting.

[blues_cap]

Actually, for football season, the network was a great success.

I've had the opportunity to get to know one of my neighbors when he was my son's baseball coach. The guy lives 4 houses down from me; he used to be the sports guy on one of the local stations, also was in sports talk radio. Currently, he announces NCAA football games every Saturday for ESPN.

I asked him about the Big 10 network (ie - will we get a SEC Network) & he said that the reason they will fail is because of a lack of programming that can generate positive enough ratings to attract advertising dollars when there is no football & basketball.

I can see that, I mean, I don't want to watch women's volleyball..

But they did pretty good this football season.

And I can tell you this as well, I personally was riveted to my TV for the App State v. MI game

Appalachian State is HOT! HOT! HOT! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVENWl8uBeg)YouTube - Appalachian State University is HOT HOT HOT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVENWl8uBeg)

i dont know very much, but i DO know this network was not established in hope that people would watch volleyball. i also know that football and basketball are the 2 biggest money-makers, and football did $hit this year. once again, name one game that was worth a damn that wasnt on national tv??? this network, despite what the big 10 says(what else would they say) was a huge failure, for a couple of different reasons: 1: all of the big games were with a previoulsy arranged tv contract. 2: the big 10 had one of its worst years in recent memory, therefore, nobody gave a damn about 98% of the games, even big 10 fans. this confefence was decided long before osu beat mich. everybody else sucked(illinois was decent, but it was too late b/f everybody realized it). it may work in the future, but despite what the execs tell you, this network was a complete failure(there are even people in better positions than myself who will tell you as much).

this network is another case of the big 10's commissioner thinking the big 10 is much BIGGER than it actually is. he is easily the most pompous guy in cfb and it shows every year, in one way or another(see the big 10's academic standards as an excuse for getting the $hit beat out of them).

[Noah.Dreams]

Let's get serious for minute.

What is the driving force behind college football?

The ultimate goal is money. The SEC generated a record $132 million in football revenue in 2006. What are you willing to bet that the SEC will set a new record in 2007?

[The Ramp]

i will continue to b%tch...i think it's a legitimate complaint

[dcbl]

Well - I enjoy flipping through the games & was grateful for the Big 10 network this year.

I was glad to be able to see OH St play against the lesser OH teams.

Syracuse v. IA, even though it was a blowout, looked like a compelling matchup & I watched some of that game early.

Bowling Green v. MN was a great game.

MN v. Miami (OH) was a good matchup.

Nevada v. NW was a great game - you almost never get to see NV play & they are certainly a decent mid major team.

And what about Duke v. NW? Or IL v. Purdue? or IN v. IL???

And can anyone argue that the NW v. MN game wasn't one of the best & most fun games to see this year?

There was also OH St v. WI; but I think I've proved my point...

Bottom line? I for one, would be thrilled to see every SEC game televised - why wouldn't anyone who is interested enough to participate on this particular corner of the www???

Also - you can barely get SEC baseball news in major papers (at least not in the AJC, Tennessean or Bham News) unless it's the tourney here in Hoover, AL.

I'd definitely tune in for UGA baseball.

I'm hoping the concept of regional conference sports networks gains traction - as fans, we all should.

[OneBigDawg]

A SEC netwok on TV sounds like something that's WAYYY overdue. SEC football, basketball and baseball would keep plenty of interesting games to last year round since the seasons overlap. It would REALLY be big if it had the exclusive rights to all of the SEC games. I personally would love it during football season because it would be great for getting up to the minute info on stuff like this weeks coaching changes. I was trying to watch ESPN Monday and Tuesday to find out what was happening with the coaching changes and all they wanted to talk about was pro football. :brick::azz: I personally could care less about pro football.