One of the MAIN reasons Alabama is 6-6 is this quote

[DEHIII]

This quote IMO shows why we are 6-6 this season with a complete imploding after their chances for the SECCG were flushed after the loss to LSU:


"I bought into what Coach Saban was saying from Day One," said defensive end Wallace Gilberry. "I'm not saying everyone else did. I'm not saying everyone didn't. But I'd bet my last dollar that next year, there will be 11 guys that think the same way, that do it the same way, that get it done the right way. I'm only sad I won't be here to be part of that."


You obviously had a portion of players that didn't buy in. When you don't have the entire team buying into the system and methods, you are going to be have problems.

I think a lot of these problems rest with the senior class. Not all of them. Certainly not Gilberry who was great this year and has been a pleasure to watch. Certainly not Mustain who lived and died with each win or loss. Hell, I bet not even Capps who we all abuse but you never heard him hint at complaining when it was apparent he was only being played when there was no other option.

DJ IMO was part of the problem. What a great talent but that is not the end all be all. Keith Brown IMO was in that group also.

It pisses me off and if there are others on the team that are part of the problem I hope they are ROBNS (Run off by Nick Saban). Get them out of here.

I have no doubt Saban will turn this around. I have no doubt he will recruit kids that want to be winners on the field and off the field. They will be players that know their individual actions can affect the team. Sure there will be some kids that will get in trouble, but they will be a tiny, tiny minority. I am excited about the future. Next year will be tough with that schedule, but I expect our team to be better. I expect it to get better after that. I look forward to what CNS will build and he will build it right. However it will not happen over night and we better just stop expecting that.

[timNem]

Add what Hall said in my sig

[BAMAPERRY]

The good news is 50 of the 85 scholarship players next Fall will be Sabans signees. Only, I doubt we have 85 on scholarship. Word is that Saban will cut loose 12-15 guys who are presently on scholarship because of "attitude" problems. Maybe some deserving walkons will get a scholarship for a year.

[WAR DAMN EAGLE]

Here might be another reason Bama is 6-6:
Saban has a losing record against Tubs, is 1-2 against Richt, and is only 2 games better than Nutt and Fulmer.

The numbers don't lie. Bama fans have no business thinking that Saban is their football messiah, especially if you throw the losses to UAB and ULM in there.

Saban's record against Tuberville - 2-4
Saban's record against Fulmer - 3-1
Saban's record against Richt - 1-2
Saban's record against Nutt - 4-2

That's pretty good, but not 4 million bucks and grovel at his feet good.

[timNem]

Here might be another reason Bama is 6-6:
Saban has a losing record against Tubs, is under .500 against Richt, and is only 2 games better than Nutt and Fulmer.

The numbers don't lie. Bama fans have no buisness thinking that Saban is their football messiah, especially if you throw the loss to UAB in there.
Yeah, its Saban's fault. We need Shula back so our guys can go back to doing yoga instead of pumping iron and running.

[TigerEyes1914]

Why is everyone blaming DJ all of a sudden?? I saw a bama fan blame that AU INT on him for being mad at JPW. I thought he was a major part of the wins bama had this season.

[shk999]

Why is everyone blaming DJ all of a sudden?? I saw a bama fan blame that AU INT on him for being mad at JPW. I thought he was a major part of the wins bama had this season.

Great talent, not alot of heart. I never felt like he gave 110%. IMO

[shk999]

Here might be another reason Bama is 6-6:
Saban has a losing record against Tubs, is 1-2 against Richt, and is only 2 games better than Nutt and Fulmer.

The numbers don't lie. Bama fans have no business thinking that Saban is their football messiah, especially if you throw the losses to UAB and ULM in there.

Saban's record against Tuberville - 2-4
Saban's record against Fulmer - 3-1
Saban's record against Richt - 1-2
Saban's record against Nutt - 4-2

That's pretty good, but not 4 million bucks and grovel at his feet good.

Way to contribute.

[BAMAPERRY]

and Tubersteak has ONE SEC title in 13 years in the SEC. Enjoy averaging 8 wins under him, that's all you'll ever get.

[WAR DAMN EAGLE]

Here is something no Bammer wants to hear: Shula's recruiting classes as a whole were ranked at or above Auburn's, this was supposed to be "Shula's year". JPW performed better under Shula, (did you see the pretty boy fluffing his hair when he took his helmet off?) Saban was brought in to straighten things out but the team backslid over the last half of the season. Where is the discipline he was supposed to bring? Where is the toughness he was supposed to instill? Sure, an instant fix to all the problems was unrealistic, but how is a late season regression a sign of good things to you? The day will come when the Bammers sunny optimism gives way to questions, then second guessing, then vocal rumbles of displeasure, culminating in a bitter parting of the ways of Bama and Saban. This is the way it has been for 25 years.

[WAR DAMN EAGLE]

Way to contribute.Bama fans have no problem putting Tub's shortcomings in Auburn fans faces. (BamaPerry's SEC championship quip). Pointing out that Saban is overpaid only seems like a poor contribution to you because your scared crapless right now that he isn't going to be all that he was advertised as and you want to remain in denial.

He LOST TO ULM FOR PETES SAKE!!!!!!! There are a lot of coaches who make a whole lot less that could have beaten ULM with less talent.

[timNem]

Here is something no Bammer wants to hear: Shula's recruiting classes as a whole were ranked at or above Auburn's, this was supposed to be "Shula's year". JPW performed better under Shula, (did you see the pretty boy fluffing his hair when he took his helmet off?) Saban was brought in to straighten things out but the team backslid over the last half of the season. Where is the discipline he was supposed to bring? Where is the toughness he was supposed to instill? Sure, an instant fix to all the problems was unrealistic, but how is a late season regression a sign of good things to you? The day will come when the Bammers sunny optimism gives way to questions, then second guessing, then vocal rumbles of displeasure, culminating in a bitter parting of the ways of Bama and Saban. This is the way it has been for 25 years.
4 years ago, our class was ranked 49th and AUs was 11th. And the couple of years we did have decent recruiting classes didn't matter because most of those never set foot on campus, while others were kicked off the team. Some, like Curtis Dawson were kicked off the team twice. :laugh: The only year (2004) where we had a better recruiting class than AU, 12 of the signees never stepped on the field.

[AU Blaaaaaaaake]

Add what Hall said in my sig


Damn, and I thought the Bama fans were pounding the Saban kool-aid hard! :rolling2:

[timNem]

Damn, and I thought the Bama fans were pounding the Saban kool-aid hard! :rolling2:
Wouldn't that be the idea ?

[WAR DAMN EAGLE]

Only thing is, the kool-ade that the players are drinking isn't the superman juice that the fans thought it would be.

[shk999]

WDE, in not really up for arguing right now, Ill just say Sorry he didnt live up to your expectations this year. Maybe you should worry more about Tubs, he didnt exactly have a stellar year, despite beating a 6-6 Bama by 1 TD. Not really sure what you are wanting here, Bama fans calling for his head or something, well it aint happening. Why dont you go create another fake Bama username and you can do it yourself. AS for what he's worth, time will tell but he leads Tubby 2-1 in SEC Champ and 1-0 in NC's. Tubbs may have the lead in head 2 head meetings (for now) but that does little to fill up that empty trophy case at AU. Ive already congratulated AU twice and said they are the better team but obviously thats not enough for people like you.

Insufferable in defeat
Intolerable in Victory

[U-Dub Gamecock]

Question.. Isnt Tuberville 7-2 against Alabama??

If I was an Alabama fan.. I wouldnt knock the coach that has pretty much kicked your ass the 9 years he has been there..

Kinda like when I hear Tommy Bowden get ripped by USC fans.. Hell, he is 7-2 against us.. He owns us..

[shk999]

Question.. Isnt Tuberville 7-2 against Alabama??

If I was an Alabama fan.. I wouldnt knock the coach that has pretty much kicked your ass the 9 years he has been there..

Kinda like when I hear Tommy Bowden get ripped by USC fans.. Hell, he is 7-2 against us.. He owns us..

7-2 while at AU
7-6 overall

[jonthetiger337]

He LOST TO ULM FOR PETES SAKE!!!!!!!
ULM is the best team in northeast Louisiana and bowl eligible.

[WAR DAMN EAGLE]

ULM is the best team in northeast Louisiana and bowl eligible.Yeah, but still - He lost to ULM.

[timNem]

Who is diminishing AU's victory more?

[PuddingTime]

Maybe an opinion from the outside doesn't matter to you crazy Barners and Bammers, but it's gonna take more than one season for Nick Saban to get the job done. Give the man a freaking break. His middle name isn't Christ, and while I don't what it actually is, I can tell you that it's gonna take a bit of time to get his players in there, his system implemented, and people who buy into that system fully.

This is the same stupid crap I heard people, especially the Arkansas contingent, spouting after Kentucky lost to Gardner-Webb. Gillispie isn't taking Kentucky to #8 this year. He'll probably have us a consistent Top 15 team next year, and in '09, we'll be one of the best in the nation consistently, as we were in the 90's and a portion of this decade. It's the same thing w/Saban and Alabama. While I agree w/some made points that Saban's prior record doesn't indicate to me that he's the next....whatever, Bear, Hayes, whoever you wanna throw out there, he is a good coach and he will have Alabama back atop the national conscience again. People who expect a coach to perform miracles in one year frankly don't deserve to be sports fans. Personally, I thought the firing of Shula was crass, but I'm sure many of you said the same about us firing Tubby. So anyway, FWIW>

[WAR DAMN EAGLE]

I never said that it was a great accomplishment, I mean other teams got to enjoy victory against Bama about 11 other times in the last 2 years. But I enjoy the hell out of it none the less.

[BAMAPERRY]

ULM is the best team in northeast Louisiana and bowl eligible.

Yeah, UL-M beat us. So did a subpar FSU and an average MSU. We're not taking advice from their fans either. And we're not giving them some kind of major props for beating a so-so Bama team in a transition year. Of course, their fans aren't talking smack either. I'm not sure what Auburn fans are looking for. Some kind of great praise for beating a below average Bama team? Hailing Tubby as great for an eight win season?

The fact is, beating Bama IS the season for Auburn. Winning Titles is what Bama looks at as the standard, much like Kentucky Basketball. Louisville beating UK in a down year doesn't mean that much to UK if they know they have the right coach with a superb recruiting class coming in. But it means a lot to Louisville because they're the redheaded stepchild in the State. And quite frankly, UL has had a lot more success in BB than Auburn has in FB.

Lets put it this way. If Bama had a coach who had spent 13 years in the SEC, 9 years at Bama, and had only ONE SEC Title to show for it but had beaten Auburn 6 years in a row, and would finish the current season 9-4 or 8-5 and was one of the Top 10 highest paid coaches in the Nation, there is no way in HELL we would be discussing a pay raise and a contract extension with him. He would be lucky to have a job. Therein lies the difference between the two programs, different standards. You're looking for some kind of respect from us that we don't feel you deserve. That's like a wimp who is kicking a strong man with a dislocated hip who is lying on the ground, clamoring that he used to kick his butt all the time when he was healthy and he was just getting payback and demanding respect while he's kicking him. Ain't gonna happen, cause everybody knows when he's healthy and gets back up he's gonna kick the crap outta the wimp unmercifully. The wimp deserves no respect.

[Roscoe]

ULM is the best team in northeast Louisiana and bowl eligible.

Yeah, that's not too hard of a feat when ULM is the ONLY team in Northeast Louisiana.

And no, LA Tech can be considered northwest or north central LA, it's an hour east of Shreveport, mapquest it if you don't believe me... so let me go ahead and beat you to the punch....

Being the best team out of the ONLY 2 teams in North Louisiana isn't saying much. And Tech whoops ULM regularly when they play...

So your argument has holes all the way around it.

There's no excuse to lose to ULM, unless you're a high school. In fact, West Monroe High School (right down the road from ULM) will give them a run for their money year in and year out.

[DEHIII]

Maybe an opinion from the outside doesn't matter to you crazy Barners and Bammers, but it's gonna take more than one season for Nick Saban to get the job done. Give the man a freaking break. His middle name isn't Christ, and while I don't what it actually is, I can tell you that it's gonna take a bit of time to get his players in there, his system implemented, and people who buy into that system fully.

This is the same stupid crap I heard people, especially the Arkansas contingent, spouting after Kentucky lost to Gardner-Webb. Gillispie isn't taking Kentucky to #8 this year. He'll probably have us a consistent Top 15 team next year, and in '09, we'll be one of the best in the nation consistently, as we were in the 90's and a portion of this decade. It's the same thing w/Saban and Alabama. While I agree w/some made points that Saban's prior record doesn't indicate to me that he's the next....whatever, Bear, Hayes, whoever you wanna throw out there, he is a good coach and he will have Alabama back atop the national conscience again. People who expect a coach to perform miracles in one year frankly don't deserve to be sports fans. Personally, I thought the firing of Shula was crass, but I'm sure many of you said the same about us firing Tubby. So anyway, FWIW>

I agree completely with what you said about Saban. I will admit I thought we would have a slightly better year (8 wins for the record). Of course I didn't think we would have as big a contingent not buying in. That said, I certainly didn't believe we would be fighting for a MNC next year or even the year after. I did and do expect that by year 3 that we would be competing for the SEC. I just think he recruits that well and can coach.

CTT is a good coach. But like others have pointed out, he has 1 piece of hardware for his 9 years at AU. If beating Alabama is the only thing important to Auburn fans, then CTT is there guy because he has done that. For Alabama, beating AU is not the only thing (it is important though) but rather winning SECCs and MNCs. That is what we are building for and I am confident CNS will get us there.

[DEHIII]

Yeah, that's not too hard of a feat when ULM is the ONLY team in Northeast Louisiana.

And no, LA Tech can be considered northwest or north central LA, it's an hour east of Shreveport, mapquest it if you don't believe me... so let me go ahead and beat you to the punch....

Being the best team out of the ONLY 2 teams in North Louisiana isn't saying much. And Tech whoops ULM regularly when they play...

So your argument has holes all the way around it.

There's no excuse to lose to ULM, unless you're a high school. In fact, West Monroe High School (right down the road from ULM) will give them a run for their money year in and year out.


I am pretty sure he was saying that in jest. But good job rebutting the argument that was clearly a joke. :laugh: :laugh:

[Roscoe]

I am pretty sure he was saying that in jest. But good job rebutting the argument that was clearly a joke. :laugh: :laugh:


:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I didn't realize he was an LSU fan until after my post. My A.D.D. is acting up :thumpsup:

Can someone explain to me wtf a MNC is? National Championship, I know, but what's the M stand for?

[BamaFanNKy]

[QUOTE=WAR DAMN EAGLE;334480]Pointing out that Saban is overpaid only seems like a poor contribution to you because your scared crapless right now that he isn't going to be all that he was advertised as and you want to remain in denial.QUOTE]
This year..... as I have said since game one..... Saban isn't paid to win. He's paid to recruit. Really this is more of a reflection of someone I have been defending. Major Applewhite and the rest of the staff. They have got to get the players on the same page.

I will say this year's an embarresment. If we would of handled our biz and beat ULM, beat UGA (like we should of) and took care of MSU we are 9-3. We could of easily been 5-7 if you consider the Arky game.

Anyone who tries to throw Saban's record in the face of Bama face has to remember one thing..... National Title..... Only Meyer and Fulmer have done it in the BCS era.

Any Bama fan trying to talk shit about Tubby..... SHUT THE F UP! The dude flat out hands our a** to us for 6 years and is one of if not the best current coach in the SEC if you consider the school he is at.

[BamaFanNKy]

Maybe an opinion from the outside doesn't matter to you crazy Barners and Bammers, but it's gonna take more than one season for Nick Saban to get the job done. Give the man a freaking break. His middle name isn't Christ, and while I don't what it actually is, I can tell you that it's gonna take a bit of time to get his players in there, his system implemented, and people who buy into that system fully.

This is the same stupid crap I heard people, especially the Arkansas contingent, spouting after Kentucky lost to Gardner-Webb. Gillispie isn't taking Kentucky to #8 this year. He'll probably have us a consistent Top 15 team next year, and in '09, we'll be one of the best in the nation consistently, as we were in the 90's and a portion of this decade. It's the same thing w/Saban and Alabama. While I agree w/some made points that Saban's prior record doesn't indicate to me that he's the next....whatever, Bear, Hayes, whoever you wanna throw out there, he is a good coach and he will have Alabama back atop the national conscience again. People who expect a coach to perform miracles in one year frankly don't deserve to be sports fans. Personally, I thought the firing of Shula was crass, but I'm sure many of you said the same about us firing Tubby. So anyway, FWIW>
Very good example. Tubby and Shula didn't recruit very well.

[DEHIII]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I didn't realize he was an LSU fan until after my post. My A.D.D. is acting up :thumpsup:

Can someone explain to me wtf a MNC is? National Championship, I know, but what's the M stand for?

Mythical National Championship

[OldManNoPants]

Yeah, UL-M beat us. So did a subpar FSU and an average MSU. We're not taking advice from their fans either. And we're not giving them some kind of major props for beating a so-so Bama team in a transition year. Of course, their fans aren't talking smack either. I'm not sure what Auburn fans are looking for. Some kind of great praise for beating a below average Bama team? Hailing Tubby as great for an eight win season?

The fact is, beating Bama IS the season for Auburn. Winning Titles is what Bama looks at as the standard, much like Kentucky Basketball. Louisville beating UK in a down year doesn't mean that much to UK if they know they have the right coach with a superb recruiting class coming in. But it means a lot to Louisville because they're the redheaded stepchild in the State. And quite frankly, UL has had a lot more success in BB than Auburn has in FB.

Lets put it this way. If Bama had a coach who had spent 13 years in the SEC, 9 years at Bama, and had only ONE SEC Title to show for it but had beaten Auburn 6 years in a row, and would finish the current season 9-4 or 8-5 and was one of the Top 10 highest paid coaches in the Nation, there is no way in HELL we would be discussing a pay raise and a contract extension with him. He would be lucky to have a job. Therein lies the difference between the two programs, different standards. You're looking for some kind of respect from us that we don't feel you deserve. That's like a wimp who is kicking a strong man with a dislocated hip who is lying on the ground, clamoring that he used to kick his butt all the time when he was healthy and he was just getting payback and demanding respect while he's kicking him. Ain't gonna happen, cause everybody knows when he's healthy and gets back up he's gonna kick the crap outta the wimp unmercifully. The wimp deserves no respect.


You are the bane that brings this site down. That is all.

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm tired of waiting around on your "crippled" ass...dislocated hip..give me a break, hahaha!!!

[PuddingTime]

CTT is a good coach. But like others have pointed out, he has 1 piece of hardware for his 9 years at AU.

lol when a Kentucky fan says Tubby, he means Smith, not Tuberville :D

[DEHIII]

lol when a Kentucky fan says Tubby, he means Smith, not Tuberville :D

I know. However I was actually talking about other people in here who have talked about CTT and that in 9 years he has only 1 SECC. I think he has won the West in 2000 and 2004. In 2004 is when he actually won the SEC.

When I see you refer to Tubby, I know you are talking about Smith. :thumpsup:

[GatorBait15]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I didn't realize he was an LSU fan until after my post. My A.D.D. is acting up :thumpsup:

Can someone explain to me wtf a MNC is? National Championship, I know, but what's the M stand for?
bahaha i posted that same thing a minute ago about the m in anothe rthread i was lost!

[PuddingTime]

Shouldn't be too long before Alabama is back on track. It's uncanny how UA and UK mirror each other. I guess Gardner-Webb was our Louisiana-Monroe. But I don't think our basketball program has sunk as low as some of Bama's recent football teams, to be fair. We still won 26-27 games, which I'd equate to 8 wins in football.

[sheluvsbama]

There is entirely too much speculation about why we had the record we had. It is obvious. We were not a good team this year. All the coaching in the world couldn't change that. If the players were resistant to change, then they must carry their share of the blame. Saban can't be blamed if it is a rainy day in Dixie.

[Jay Bee]

Mythical National Championship

myth·i·cal /ˈmɪθɪkəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mith-i-kuhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. pertaining to, of the nature of, or involving a myth.
2. dealt with in myth, as a prehistoric period.
3. dealing with myths, as writing.
4. existing only in myth, as a person.
5. without foundation in fact; imaginary; fictitious: The explanation was entirely mythical.

I like definition #5, but SIX is Sweeter!


WDE!
jb

[Chinaski]

Yeah, its Saban's fault. We need Shula back so our guys can go back to doing yoga instead of pumping iron and running.

Look, he never said you should ask for Shula back, he even said Saban is a good coach he just maybe isnt worth 4 Millions and hell i agree with him.

[Chinaski]

There is entirely too much speculation about why we had the record we had. It is obvious. We were not a good team this year. All the coaching in the world couldn't change that. If the players were resistant to change, then they must carry their share of the blame. Saban can't be blamed if it is a rainy day in Dixie.

You know i completely see your point but there are fans who always come down to the pay check he receives from Alabama when things go off the right track. Its absolutely normal. I mean we will pay Houston Nutt 2 Mio. and you can be sure he will have to go win for that money. Fans are fans, they want to win and if you hire someone like Saban and pay him so much, he better wins or people mouths will never shut. Thats normal aswell.

[The Ramp]

Here might be another reason Bama is 6-6:
Saban has a losing record against Tubs, is 1-2 against Richt, and is only 2 games better than Nutt and Fulmer.

The numbers don't lie. Bama fans have no business thinking that Saban is their football messiah, especially if you throw the losses to UAB and ULM in there.

Saban's record against Tuberville - 2-4
Saban's record against Fulmer - 3-1
Saban's record against Richt - 1-2
Saban's record against Nutt - 4-2

That's pretty good, but not 4 million bucks and grovel at his feet good.

no way it can be Sabans' fault. he's the second coming of the Bear:laugh:

btw-the reason bama is 6-6 is what i call the "bamaperry jinx"

[BAMAPERRY]

no way it can be Sabans' fault. he's the second coming of the Bear:laugh:

btw-the reason bama is 6-6 is what i call the "bamaperry jinx"


At least we're not stuck with Les Nessman as a coach like you! :laugh:

[True Grit]

Its part of the process.

[BAMAPERRY]

Here might be another reason Bama is 6-6:
Saban has a losing record against Tubs, is 1-2 against Richt, and is only 2 games better than Nutt and Fulmer.

The numbers don't lie. Bama fans have no business thinking that Saban is their football messiah, especially if you throw the losses to UAB and ULM in there.

Saban's record against Tuberville - 2-4
Saban's record against Fulmer - 3-1
Saban's record against Richt - 1-2
Saban's record against Nutt - 4-2

That's pretty good, but not 4 million bucks and grovel at his feet good.

Now, lets look at what COUNTS!:

Tuberville = 1 SEC Title in 13 years in the SEC
Fulmer = 2 SEC Titles, 1 NC, in 14 years in the SEC
Richt = 2 SEC Titles in 6 years in the SEC
Nutt = 0 SEC Titles in 10 years in the SEC
Saban = 2 SEC Titles, 1 NC, in 6 years in the SEC

Coaching at Auburn doesn't require winning titles to be the HC.

[Roscoe]

Yeah, I guess if Les stays, we'll see what he's really made of next year. Saban's recruits will be pretty much gone, right?

[BAMAPERRY]

You're right about that.

[Roscoe]

You're right about that.

Yeah, well, I could be wrong, but I don't have a great feeling about it. I think he's a good coach, and I actually like his risk taking attitude, but he's yet to prove himself. There's no excuse for 2 losses this year, nor having to come from behind so many times. I don't care what anyone says.

[WDavE]

Titles are great...

I wonder how it feels over the last two decades by winning percentage to be the fifth best team in the SEC? Third in the western division?

I didn't go back any further because if I did you would start the whole Roman Empire vs Alabama football head to head comparison again....

[BAMAPERRY]

JMO, the best thing that could've happened to LSU would have been Miles leaving. I don't think he has any business being at a school like LSU and I think Michigan knows that. He's a pretty good recruiter, at least he was up until this point, but that's about it. Tolliver named Bama his leader and I've got a good feeling on Edwards too. If Les tanks it next year, it wouldn't surprise me to see LSU fire him, in spite of his record. I think there are quite a few LSU fans who NEVER bought into the guy.

[BAMAPERRY]

Titles are great...

I wonder how it feels over the last two decades by winning percentage to be the fifth best team in the SEC? Third in the western division?

I didn't go back any further because if I did you would start the whole Roman Empire vs Alabama football head to head comparison again....

I see Tuberville will get a 7 year extension this week. One SEC title in 13 years, do you think they're hoping he get get his 2nd by his 20th year? :laugh:

[Tider27]

There are huge signs of players that didn't give 100% this season. Even bigger ones that tell the attitude of some. I don't want to shed any negative light on some of these guys, but some of them I'll be happy to see leave.

[BAMAPERRY]

12-15 Bama players will not have their scholarships renewed next year.

[DEHIII]

Titles are great...

I wonder how it feels over the last two decades by winning percentage to be the fifth best team in the SEC? Third in the western division?

I didn't go back any further because if I did you would start the whole Roman Empire vs Alabama football head to head comparison again....

It sucks, no doubt about it.

However for me, I want Alabama winning SEC Titles, competing for NCs and winning them. That is what it is about for me. Beating our rivals does not trump that.

I think what he is saying is that he is suprised there is not a little more pressure on CTT for not having brought home the trophies. I think CTT is an excellent coach and he sure as hell has whipped our ass. But from what I see, the Auburn fans are pretty much content with CTT as long as he continues to win the Iron Bowl and get a title once every nine years. I don't understand why and also maybe I am wrong about my perception.

[the Paradox]

12-15 Bama players will not have their scholarships renewed next year.

That # is about 7 too high.

RTR

[WDavE]

It sucks, no doubt about it.

However for me, I want Alabama winning SEC Titles, competing for NCs and winning them. That is what it is about for me. Beating our rivals does not trump that.

I think what he is saying is that he is suprised there is not a little more pressure on CTT for not having brought home the trophies. I think CTT is an excellent coach and he sure as hell has whipped our ass. But from what I see, the Auburn fans are pretty much content with CTT as long as he continues to win the Iron Bowl and get a title once every nine years. I don't understand why and also maybe I am wrong about my perception.

Good post by the way...

I would say that we Auburn fans are somewhat disappointed in not wiining more western division championships and not going to Atlanta more then we have. But CTT bought himself and his staff a few years of grace going 13-0. It's funny just how much luck is involved in being able to play for a N.C.

Being considered a good head coach is more then just wins and loses. (Although, it is the very most important part)

CTT is playing strictly by the rules.
Auburn players understand discipline and what happens when they don't.
Auburn players are for the most part making their grades.
CTT is well liked by a vast majority of our fan base.
Money is flowing into our program.

Looking back, Dye would be hard pressed to best all these attributes.

[BAMAPERRY]

That # is about 7 too high.

RTR

Maybe, maybe not. Depends on who has a "mind shift". We'll sign the full 25 the next two years.

[sheluvsbama]

Here is something no Bammer wants to hear: Shula's recruiting classes as a whole were ranked at or above Auburn's, this was supposed to be "Shula's year". JPW performed better under Shula, (did you see the pretty boy fluffing his hair when he took his helmet off?) Saban was brought in to straighten things out but the team backslid over the last half of the season. Where is the discipline he was supposed to bring? Where is the toughness he was supposed to instill? Sure, an instant fix to all the problems was unrealistic, but how is a late season regression a sign of good things to you? The day will come when the Bammers sunny optimism gives way to questions, then second guessing, then vocal rumbles of displeasure, culminating in a bitter parting of the ways of Bama and Saban. This is the way it has been for 25 years.

Ahhhhh..so you noticed that JPW is a "pretty boy", did you? He IS cute! :laugh:

[crimsonnation713]

Between WDE and half-baked, we have two of the best fictional writers on this site. Hell, WDE even has a pen name.:laugh::thumpsup:

[WayzUp]

The good news is 50 of the 85 scholarship players next Fall will be Sabans signees. Only, I doubt we have 85 on scholarship. Word is that Saban will cut loose 12-15 guys who are presently on scholarship because of "attitude" problems. Maybe some deserving walkons will get a scholarship for a year.

Sounds A LOT like what Spurrier had to do when he first got to USC. Bama will be better for it. :thumpsup:

[TigerEyes1914]

Good post by the way...

I would say that we Auburn fans are somewhat disappointed in not wiining more western division championships and not going to Atlanta more then we have. But CTT bought himself and his staff a few years of grace going 13-0. It's funny just how much luck is involved in being able to play for a N.C.

Being considered a good head coach is more then just wins and loses. (Although, it is the very most important part)

CTT is playing strictly by the rules.
Auburn players understand discipline and what happens when they don't.
Auburn players are for the most part making their grades.
CTT is well liked by a vast majority of our fan base.
Money is flowing into our program.

Looking back, Dye would be hard pressed to best all these attributes.

I have to co-sign on all of this!:thumpsup: I think AU has only been one game away most seasons from winning the West. I think our biggest issue is not winning the games we are suppose to win. However I think most fans realize that most of those losses were about player execution (or lack there of) and not coaching. Like you said, our program is solid from top to bottom. Players graduate, stay out of touble, and we win games.

Talk about luck in winning NCs, both Saban at LSU and Meyers at UF had a lot of luck on their side for those championships. Not that they weren't the best teams those years, i think they were. But there were alot of things beyond their control that led to those NCs.

[timNem]

Ahhhhh..so you noticed that JPW is a "pretty boy", did you? He IS cute! :laugh:
I think he is guilty of a Freudian slip there. :ph34r: