Raise your hand if you're sick of arguing Tebow vs. McFadden...

[D^3]

Seriously... how many of us here would rather you all just shutup about whether D-mac or Tebow is better?

[reese]

i think its a good argument

[JerryBeeds]

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d42/JSnipes/fatkid.jpg

[Gator2753]

Ill admit that it gets old.

However, you have to admit that if we are discussing Moreno-Tebow next season that UGA fans will be as bad as UF/Ark fans are this season:laugh:

[reese]

i really dont think moreno will ever get the amount of touches he needs to win the heisman

[D^3]

Ill admit that it gets old.

However, you have to admit that if we are discussing Moreno-Tebow next season that UGA fans will be as bad as UF/Ark fans are this season:laugh:


Maybe... but being that the rest of us really don't care, you see where I'm coming from. :laugh:

Not to mention, the 80-bajillion threads about it is annoying.

[reese]

this is the 1st time ive ever even discussed it

[gatorunvrsty]

I'm not... I love winning easy debates as much as difficult ones.;) When you look at the facts and the stats, there really is no argument. Tebow has set records. DMac has put up numbers that are considerably worse than other RB's who didn't win the Heisman, either. Both guys lost games against good and bad teams. But, Tebow never had a game where he put up numbers that were a half or a third of his average. DMac had 2, and one of those was Florida International, where he had 61 yards.

[GatorHunter]

Seriously... how many of us here would rather you all just shutup about whether D-mac or Tebow is better?

Again, DDD...how can you criticize anyone for starting/participating in threads when you started a dozen after UGA's wins over UF and AU...:rolleyes:

And let me remind you...you don't have to read them...it actually takes effort for you to do so...:wacko:

[Hawginitall]

I'm not... I love winning easy debates as much as difficult ones.;) When you look at the facts and the stats, there really is no argument. Tebow has set records. DMac has put up numbers that are considerably worse than other RB's who didn't win the Heisman, either. Both guys lost games against good and bad teams. But, Tebow never had a game where he put up numbers that were a half or a third of his average. DMac had 2, and one of those was Florida International, where he had 61 yards.

But see, this is where I have the problem. Florida fans want to credit Tebow for his great all-round game, then pick stats from McFadden that don't tell the whole story. All you ever qoute is the rushing yards, ignoring the fact that McFadden is an all-purpose back. Against FIU, McFadden had 107 all-purpose yards and 4 TD's while sitting out almost the entire fourth quarter. It seems like the purpose of Gator posters isn't to state their case for Tebow, but instead to bash McFadden, even to the point of distorting statistics. Why not mention the TD's, the fact that he had the least # of carries all season, the all-purpose yards? (You also short-changed him on the rushing total.)

[BAMAPERRY]

I voted "raise hand". But I wish you would have included "ban Grady" in your poll! :)

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

This thread is hilarious. It was started by someone sick of reading threads on Tebow and McFadden, and asking if everyone else is sick of arguing over who is more deserving of the Heisman......and now it's gone the direction of who is more deserving......Tebow or McFadden. :laugh:

I guess we've got another thread to discuss who deserves the Heisman more, Tebow or McFadden. :thumpsup:

[gatorunvrsty]

But see, this is where I have the problem. Florida fans want to credit Tebow for his great all-round game, then pick stats from McFadden that don't tell the whole story. All you ever qoute is the rushing yards, ignoring the fact that McFadden is an all-purpose back. Against FIU, McFadden had 107 all-purpose yards and 4 TD's while sitting out almost the entire fourth quarter. It seems like the purpose of Gator posters isn't to state their case for Tebow, but instead to bash McFadden, even to the point of distorting statistics. Why not mention the TD's, the fact that he had the least # of carries all season, the all-purpose yards? (You also short-changed him on the rushing total.)

If there are any mistakes with the totals, you'd have to take it up with ESPN, SEC Sports, and the NCAA. ESPN - Florida International Golden Panthers vs. Arkansas Razorbacks Box Score, October 27 2007 - NCAA College Football (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=273000008) But, there's no short-changing going on. DMac's specialty is rushing the ball... he had 61 yards on 19 carries (3.2 avg.) against the weakest opponent on your schedule. You try to make it sound like he did a lot of other things, and that's why he only had the 61 yards. But, he didn't... he carried it 19 times. I don't care if he didn't play the 4th quarter... he should have had 61 yards rushing in the 1st quarter against those guys. Even 107 all-purpose is shameful for a Heisman candidate against that team. Tebow's specialty is passing the ball... he had his worst game (158 passing) against the best defense in the nation. His all-purpose yards ended up being 225. Those are numbers that a Heisman candidate should be proud of against a great team.

[Bulldog Bry]

Again, DDD...how can you criticize anyone for starting/participating in threads when you started a dozen after UGA's wins over UF and AU...:rolleyes:

Duh? Because we hate Tebow? :laugh:

[Hawginitall]

If there are any mistakes with the totals, you'd have to take it up with ESPN, SEC Sports, and the NCAA. ESPN - Florida International Golden Panthers vs. Arkansas Razorbacks Box Score, October 27 2007 - NCAA College Football (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=273000008) But, there's no short-changing going on. DMac's specialty is rushing the ball... he had 61 yards on 19 carries (3.2 avg.) against the weakest opponent on your schedule. You try to make it sound like he did a lot of other things, and that's why he only had the 61 yards. But, he didn't... he carried it 19 times. I don't care if he didn't play the 4th quarter... he should have had 61 yards rushing in the 1st quarter against those guys. Even 107 all-purpose is shameful for a Heisman candidate against that team. Tebow's specialty is passing the ball... he had his worst game (158 passing) against the best defense in the nation. His all-purpose yards ended up being 225. Those are numbers that a Heisman candidate should be proud of against a great team.

and McFadden had more total yards (over 250)from the RB position against that same team, leading his club to the win and accounting for 4 TD's. Those are numbers to be proud of.

[Gator2753]

Colt Brennan

17,201 passing yds for 76 TD's

-12 rushing yads for 2 TD's

[smfr]

I'm not... I love winning easy debates as much as difficult ones.;) When you look at the facts and the stats, there really is no argument. Tebow has set records. DMac has put up numbers that are considerably worse than other RB's who didn't win the Heisman, either. Both guys lost games against good and bad teams. But, Tebow never had a game where he put up numbers that were a half or a third of his average. DMac had 2, and one of those was Florida International, where he had 61 yards.



I do remember one game where Tebow did have 2 rushing TD but was still held to -15 rushing yrds. He was also sacked 6 times. yes he was hurt but still had "impressive" numbers with a broken hand that didn't seem to phase him. Mccfadden has had but 3 games under 100 yrds.

[Hawginitall]

I can't believe how many people here don't really get it. If you look only at McFadden's rushing yards, he had a nice but not great season. As I've said, if you look only at Tebow's passing yards he had a nice but not great season. The only reason either one is considered heisman worthy is because of their versatility.

So how does Mcfadden's 1725 rishing yards compare to Tebows' 3000 passing yards, in terms of what's expected of a QB vs what's expected of a RB? Then factor in Tebow's 800+ rushing yards and his TD record and compare that to another 600 yards from McFadden in receiving, kick returns and passing. After you do all of that, if you conclude Tebow is more deserving, fine. But to ignore Mcfadden's versatility makes no sense unless you just want to take what it is that makes him Heisman worthy out of the equation. The Wildcat formation changed CFB. You see teams all over the country lining up in the single wing and direct snapping it to RB's or WR's. Even Florida has done it. He changed the game, let that sink in. If you think it's no big deal fine, just don't leave it out of the equations, the stats and the arguments.

[the Prodigy]

It is a good argument.... and I love the rhetoric, but there is really no point. Florida people like the fact that Tebow pads his stats.... Arkansas people like the fact that McFadden shows up to big games. In the end, Tebow will win the Heisman and McFadden will be remembered as the better football player.

[Gator2753]

It is a good argument.... and I love the rhetoric, but there is really no point. Florida people like the fact that Tebow pads his stats.... Arkansas people like the fact that McFadden shows up to big games. In the end, Tebow will win the Heisman and McFadden will be remembered as the better football player.

Over 3,100 passing yards is hardly padding stats. He may score quite a bit from inside the 10 yard line but its Tebow him self who got us in the red zone.

If Tebow had 1500 passing yards and 29 TD's then I could see how thats padding stats. But not when the man has thrown for over 3000 yards.

And yes this is fun to debate. Good luck with that coach search:thumpsup:

[iacolb12]

I've changed my vote for heisman. Everyone sucks but Peanut Adams! The best QB/FS/Towel boy Arkansas ever had! Wheee!

http://www.secsports.com/image_lib/ark_gary_adams2_125w.jpg

[reese]

I can't believe how many people here don't really get it. If you look only at McFadden's rushing yards, he had a nice but not great season. As I've said, if you look only at Tebow's passing yards he had a nice but not great season. The only reason either one is considered heisman worthy is because of their versatility.

So how does Mcfadden's 1725 rishing yards compare to Tebows' 3000 passing yards, in terms of what's expected of a QB vs what's expected of a RB? Then factor in Tebow's 800+ rushing yards and his TD record and compare that to another 600 yards from McFadden in receiving, kick returns and passing. After you do all of that, if you conclude Tebow is more deserving, fine. But to ignore Mcfadden's versatility makes no sense unless you just want to take what it is that makes him Heisman worthy out of the equation. The Wildcat formation changed CFB. You see teams all over the country lining up in the single wing and direct snapping it to RB's or WR's. Even Florida has done it. He changed the game, let that sink in. If you think it's no big deal fine, just don't leave it out of the equations, the stats and the arguments.

teams were doin that way b4 dmac

[D^3]

Thread....backfiring...... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

[the Prodigy]

Arkansas just showed everyone how it is supposed to be done. Then they all tried it, and failed.... then they realized they don't have one single player who is strong enough, fast enough, and smart enough to run the offense properly. Dixon had something similar at Oregon out of the Pistol formation, but he is a hoss too, not like McFadden, but a hoss none the less.

[reese]

Arkansas just showed everyone how it is supposed to be done. Then they all tried it, and failed.... then they realized they don't have one single player who is strong enough, fast enough, and smart enough to run the offense properly. Dixon had something similar at Oregon out of the Pistol formation, but he is a hoss too, not like McFadden, but a hoss none the less.

u might be the biggest homer on this entire board...mabe in the history of the whole wide world.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[the Prodigy]

u might be the biggest homer on this entire board...mabe in the history of the whole wide world.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

First of all, you're an idiot
Second, I was joking
Third, you need to be more careful who you get moonshine from
Fourth, YOU'RE AN IDIOT!

[iacolb12]

Spiraling deeper and deeper...

[Tider27]

Yeah, I think we should just give it to JPW.

[the Prodigy]

that might have been too much, I'm sorry delusional georgia fan I just get all riled up and boy I just forget that we need to civilized.

[D^3]

I think the only way to settle this is to put Tebow and McFadden in a pit together and let them fight to the death. Winner takes the Heisman.

[GatorHunter]

teams were doin that way b4 dmac

I know...f$u was doing it in the mid-90's with Warrick Dunn.

[Tennessee Ted]

I have to agree it is getting a little old since their are now about 4 threads with this argument spreading into it like a virus. However, I admire the passion that each fan base has for their player. This thread is a perfect example. The Hogs and the Gators just can't help themselves and have to throw in one more post to bolster their argument. They are both awesome players and each would make a great Heisman.

[scfan5338]

The knock on McFadden early in the season was that his team wasn't winning games and they finally are starting to. McFadden is doing more with less talent around him and you take Felix Jones out of the mix, he gets much more yardage. In previous Heisman races, voters have always looked at how the players TEAM is performing on the field in terms of wins and if they are going to vote like that then they award should go to neither Tebow or McFadden. It should probably go to White or Brennan simply on the fact that their teams have 1 and 0 losses respectively, granted against lower competition ( in Brennan's case, against MUCH lower competition).

[the Prodigy]

I think the only way to settle this is to put Tebow and McFadden in a pit together and let them fight to the death. Winner takes the Heisman.

Brilliant....

[reese]

First of all, you're an idiot
Second, I was joking
Third, you need to be more careful who you get moonshine from
Fourth, YOU'RE AN IDIOT!

yep thats me..its out in the open now

[gatorunvrsty]

The knock on McFadden early in the season was that his team wasn't winning games and they finally are starting to. McFadden is doing more with less talent around him and you take Felix Jones out of the mix, he gets much more yardage. In previous Heisman races, voters have always looked at how the players TEAM is performing on the field in terms of wins and if they are going to vote like that then they award should go to neither Tebow or McFadden. It should probably go to White or Brennan simply on the fact that their teams have 1 and 0 losses respectively, granted against lower competition ( in Brennan's case, against MUCH lower competition).

The knock on McFadden has been that he's had 3 un-Heisman-like games mixed in with his great ones. There's a reason he was the favorite, fell off the radar, came back on again, fell back off, came back on, fell back off, and came back on again. Tebow, unlike DMac, has been a contender all year; and has never fallen farther than 2nd or 3rd on all the watch lists. Tebow's worst passing day was 158 vs. LSU... the best defense in the nation at the time.

McFadden was the favorite until going 17-43, 2.5 ypc vs. AU. Then, he had a so-so 110 vs. Ole Miss, and he was back on the list, but not high up. Then, he went 19-61, 3.2 ypc vs. FIU, and he was back off the list again. Then, he has a huge day against USC, and a so-so one vs. UT, and he's back on again. then, he goes 28-88, 3.1 ypc vs. MSU, and he's back off again. Then, finally, he has a big game vs. LSU, and all the Hawgs are ready to annoint him.

I'm sorry, but Heisman Trophy winning RB's don't have that many games like that... especially against the likes of FIU. Can anybody see Herschel or Bo only getting 61 yards against a team like that? Hell, they'd have 61 yards by their 5th carry... if they didn't take the first play from scrimmage for 61 yards with 9 Golden Panthers in the box.

I also don't agree with the Jones analogy. I think Jones allows McFadden to be more successful; but even if he wasn't there, any other team would be throwing the ball more, and keeping DMac from getting more touches. Without Jones, or a passing game, DMac would be less successful, because he'd be opponents' sole focus. As it is, Jones just acts as the distraction that a passing game would be if Arky had one.

[GatorBait15]

well d3 you starting this thread just brought one more of the dmac tebow threads to the table so in a way your a hypocrate baha

[FanSmack]

I don't think it's a question of who's better.

Who's the better QB: Tebow.
Who's the better RB: DMAC.

It's more of who's the better candidate for the Heisman is where the argument is. That being said, the argument will continue most likely.

[gatorunvrsty]

I don't think it's a question of who's better.

Who's the better QB: Tebow.
Who's the better RB: DMAC.

It's more of who's the better candidate for the Heisman is where the argument is. That being said, the argument will continue most likely.

:laugh: Not from me... I've proved my point.

[FanSmack]

LOL... but I just wanted to clear up the title of this thread. It's not the question of who's the better player. You can't compare players in different positions. While they are both probably the best players in their position, it's the argument of who's better overall that is coming up. I think we all agree that DMAC is the better RB and Tebow is the better QB but Heisman wise is where all the debate is coming from.

And yes this thread just brought up one more avenue to discuss. Way to go DDD.

[D^3]

Not my fault it got hijacked. This was about putting it to rest... and it just spilled over into here. This is horrible. This is like, riding in the car for 8+ hours with two kids arguing over whose barbie is prettier.

[GatorHunter]

Not my fault it got hijacked. This was about putting it to rest... and it just spilled over into here. This is horrible. This is like, riding in the car for 8+ hours with two kids arguing over whose barbie is prettier.

Yea...or a Dog fan starting several threads trying to convince everyone that the "celebration" was in good taste...:rolleyes:

[Crimson Kicker8]

i think its a good argument

Considering they are the two most deserving candidates in the SEC (and probably the nation) I think it's a good argument as well. Sorry neither one of them wear a Bulldog uniform DDD, I'm sure if one of them did you'd be talking about the Heisman 24/7, just like you're talking about UGA's phantom national title chances, where's the poll to get you to shut up about that subject?