Why McFadden deserves the Heisman.

[TDArkansasOhmy]

Its pretty simple, i'll admit the Tebow's numbers are extremely good, but Tebow has had his biggest games against bad teams (No Florida fans, Vandy and FSU don't count as good teams), which gives him good numbers. But McFadden has had great games against good teams (Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, MSU, USC (321 yards), and of course then #1 ranked LSU ( 206 rushing, 2TDs, 34 passing, including a TD, and 255 all purpose)). He has his biggest games when the pressures on averaging 180 yards vs SEC teams. Not to mention He has also thrown 4 TDs. McFadden also shares the spotlight with Felix Jones (averaging over 9 yards a carry, top in the country), Peyton Hillis (fullback with over 500 receiving yards), and Marcus Monk (standout receiver who has the most TD catches in Arkansas history). All 3 are sure to be 1st or 2nd round NFL drafts picks this year. Tebow does a lot for his team, but McFadden does twice as much. Tebow isn't your usual double threat QB, but McFadden lines up as tailback, QB, receiver, and he returns kickoffs. The guy does everything. Not to mention the 2 games McFadden didn't go over 100 yards rushing he had 2 almost broken ribs. Something that most people didn't now until recently.

As quoted by Kirk Herbstreit yesterday, "Pound for pound, the the best player in college football is Darren McFadden" He should have won it last year and he more than deserves it this year.

[Neyland's Ghost]

I agree that McFadden should win the heisman, but not because of the reasons you have given. First of all Alabama is not a good team and neither is USC. Tennessee held him in check, although he did get over 100 yds. in that one. Tebow has 5 star players at every position and the use that damned spread offense isolating the playmakers. You pretty much have to pick your poison with that team. Stopping Tebow is a tall order and really no one has done it yet. On the other hand McFadden and to a lesser extent Jones are the only players on the team for Ark. And also, McFadden beat LSU in Baton Rouge and Tebow did not.

[crawfish]

Well, maybe they'll call it a tie between Tebow and the Mac Man. But I still think Tebow will get the nod. Congrats to both on a great year!

[GatorChomp]

Its pretty simple, i'll admit the Tebow's numbers are extremely good, but Tebow has had his biggest games against bad teams (No Florida fans, Vandy and FSU don't count as good teams), which gives him good numbers. But McFadden has had great games against good teams (Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, MSU, USC (321 yards), and of course then #1 ranked LSU ( 206 rushing, 2TDs, 34 passing, including a TD, and 255 all purpose)). He has his biggest games when the pressures on averaging 180 yards vs SEC teams. Not to mention He has also thrown 4 TDs. McFadden also shares the spotlight with Felix Jones (averaging over 9 yards a carry, top in the country), Peyton Hillis (fullback with over 500 receiving yards), and Marcus Monk (standout receiver who has the most TD catches in Arkansas history). All 3 are sure to be 1st or 2nd round NFL drafts picks this year. Tebow does a lot for his team, but McFadden does twice as much. Tebow isn't your usual double threat QB, but McFadden lines up as tailback, QB, receiver, and he returns kickoffs. The guy does everything. Not to mention the 2 games McFadden didn't go over 100 yards rushing he had 2 almost broken ribs. Something that most people didn't now until recently.

As quoted by Kirk Herbstreit yesterday, "Pound for pound, the the best player in college football is Darren McFadden" He should have won it last year and he more than deserves it this year.
What an idiot post.

I think you could have made a great post for reasons why McFadden deserves the Heisman over Tebow, but all the reasons you chose are horrible.

1. Tebow has put up his good stats agaisnt bad teams, while McFadden has put up his stats against good teams.

For McFadden you list Alabama, Kentucky, LSU, Tennessee, MSU, and USC.

You however, do not mention Tebow's games against good teams: Kentucky, Tennessee, USC, FSU, and Vandy.

Yes you said FSU and Vandy don't count, but if you include Alabama and USC for McFadden's good teams you can't discount FSU and Vandy (FSU beat Alabama and is 7-5 and Vandy is only 5-7, one game behind USC and Alabama and actually beat USC).

2. McFadden shines against the best teams with his 180 yards average per SEC team.

Tebow averages 250 yards passing, 73 yards rushing, 2 TDs passing and 2 TDs rushing per SEC game.

Mcfadden averages less than 1 rushing TD per game and .5 non rushing TDs per SEC game.

3. McFadden shares the spotlight with...

That argument can really hurt you. In the same system with McFadden, Jones is averaging 9.1 yards per carry (compared to McFadden's 5.7). With less than half the carries of McFadden Jones has only 4 fewer TDs.

I don't really know what your point of this argument of sharing the light with players is?

You are saying nobody else is on Florida other than Tebow? Harvin, Ingram and Caldwell to name a few players who share the light...

4. McFadden means more to his team...

Arguably so, but that is not what the Heisman is. The Heisman is for the best player, not for the most valuable player. IT could be argued that Arkansas would be fine with Felix Jones and Hillis, I don't think Florida would be nearly as good with Newton instead of Tebow.


5. The 2 games McFadden...

McFadden went under 100 yards 3 times, not 2. There was a game with Ole Miss between Auburn and FIU where McFadden looked fine.

Even so, it is well known that Tebow had a bruised shoulder which dramatically affected the playcalling and his running ability in the game against Georgia (where he had negative rushing numbers due to sacks). It is also just known that he broke his non-throwing hand in the FSU game, but still came out with 5 TDs.
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I think a strong case could be made for McFadden, but all the arguments you used were extremely weak.

[GatorHunter]

Its pretty simple, i'll admit the Tebow's numbers are extremely good, but Tebow has had his biggest games against bad teams (No Florida fans, Vandy and FSU don't count as good teams), which gives him good numbers.

Maybe f$u isn't a big game to an Arky fan...but to the Gators...it's our most hated rivalry game...the type game where stats/records are thrown out the window...like Auburn/Bama. It is a big game whether you "think" it is or not.

But McFadden has had great games against good teams (Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, MSU, USC (321 yards), and of course then #1 ranked LSU ( 206 rushing, 2TDs, 34 passing, including a TD, and 255 all purpose)).

Good teams? Bama, Kentucky, MSU are all 7-5....btw, f$u beat Bama. And SC is 6-6...:lol: I'll give you LSU...but the rest are no better than f$u...and f$u's defense is as good or better than most of those teams. Try again.

He has his biggest games when the pressures on averaging 180 yards vs SEC teams. Not to mention He has also thrown 4 TDs.

Arky played 3 "big games"...Auburn, Tennessee and LSU...you forgot to mention McFadden's #s vs Auburn....43yds on 17 carries...:rolleyes:

McFadden also shares the spotlight with Felix Jones (averaging over 9 yards a carry, top in the country), Peyton Hillis (fullback with over 500 receiving yards), and Marcus Monk (standout receiver who has the most TD catches in Arkansas history). All 3 are sure to be 1st or 2nd round NFL drafts picks this year.

UH...have you looked at who Tebow shares the ball with? Percy Harvin...who will be a Heisman candidate next year for sure...would've been this year if not for missing games due to injury. Not to mention Caldwell, a 1st rounder....Murphy, Ingram, Fayson, Moore, James, etc.

Tebow does a lot for his team, but McFadden does twice as much. Tebow isn't your usual double threat QB, but McFadden lines up as tailback, QB, receiver, and he returns kickoffs. The guy does everything.

Twice as much? Tebow has accounted for 4,000 yds and 51 TDs. McFadden has 1,700 and 20 TDs...now, who was it that's done twice as much?:unsure:

Not to mention the 2 games McFadden didn't go over 100 yards rushing he had 2 almost broken ribs. Something that most people didn't now until recently.

Tebow's hurt shoulder slowed him down as well...look at the UGA game...he couldn't do anything...but still managed to throw a TD and rush for 2 more. Not to mention, Tebow played the entire second half of last night's f$u game with a broken hand.

As quoted by Kirk Herbstreit yesterday, "Pound for pound, the the best player in college football is Darren McFadden" He should have won it last year and he more than deserves it this year.

Did Kirk say this before or after proclaiming Chase Daniel the "Heisman Trophy Winner" during last night's Mizzou-Kansas game. BTW, Kirk has also proclaimed Tebow the Heisman Trophy winner...he even stated last week that Dixon should be considered because it was obvious he was the MVP of his team. You lost credibility when you quoted Kirk...he's a jackass.

Look TD...you can spin it any way you want. Truth is...prior to the LSU game, McFadden wasn't even going to be invited to New York. He's put up good numbers this season...and as I've said, he's the best RB in the country and likely the best the SEC has seen in many years. But he's been absent for a couple of games this season...and one or two games won't win him the Heisman. As I said in an earlier thread...I doubt he wins it, but he could likely prevent Tebow from winning it by taking Regional votes. And if by some miracle McFadden does win it...it'll be because of his "career" at Arky and because he's gonna skip his SR season...not because of the 2007 season.

[gatoraus]

One thing you need to learn TD is that the Heisman is for an individual's performance throughout the year. Tebow has been on the lists week in and week out. D-mac gets hot the last couple of games and now he deserves it? I don't want to bore you with the stats, so let me show you something I thought was interesting.

This is what you said about him earlier this year, "But with this years output one has to question Darren's toughness.
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Go back and read what you thought about him a month ago, while bearing in mind the Heisman trophy is for a performance throughout the entire year.

http://www.sectalk.com/boards/sec-commentary/21832-heismen-coming-arkansas-just-flew-out-window.html

[oxfordreb]

I gotta go with the Gator nation on this one, Tebow should be the winner hands down. I don't even think that it should be close, but DMc will prolly win by default since he was in the race last year. Don't get me wrong, DMc is a phenomenal player, but he fails in comparison to what Tebow has done.

Don't feel too bad Gator fans, Tebow will get it next year, but I can see the frustration you guys have, b/c he should win it this year. Life ain't always fair, but you guys will get the last laugh when tebow wins 2 years in a row :thumbs:

[ugamcrae]

McFadden is a man among boys. If their goal is to give the award to the most talented player in college football, then McFadden has to get it. Tebow is just another in a long line of great college QBs from UF who end up doing very little in the pros.

[GatorChomp]

McFadden is a man among boys. If their goal is to give the award to the most talented player in college football, then McFadden has to get it. Tebow is just another in a long line of great college QBs from UF who end up doing very little in the pros.
What exactly does doing well in the pros have to do with the Heisman? I thought it was for the best COLLEGE player, not the player that translates best with the NFL.

[Grady]

"Tebow has had his biggest games against bad teams (No Florida fans, Vandy and FSU don't count as good teams), which gives him good numbers. But McFadden has had great games against good teams (Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, MSU, USC (321 yards), and of course then #1 ranked LSU ( 206 rushing, 2TDs, 34 passing, including a TD, and 255 all purpose)). He has his biggest games when the pressures on averaging 180 yards vs SEC teams."

Tebow rushed (He is really a running back.) for 61 yards against the vols and threw for 299 and an interception. So, that was not a bad game; but, it most assurely could be said after that No. 14 vols at the swamp Tim Tebow has not done much in the Big Games against The Good Teams when this is only his 1st year starting. His Loss to Auburn, Georgia and LSU stands out as 3 losses by a 1st year starter, when McFadden was 2nd in the Heisman Trophy Voting last year to an inferior player to him then too - he lost to because he was a Sophomore and no other reason. Tebow is worthy of No. 2 for the exact same reason, and because he Lost 3 games in his 1st year as a Starter. Heisman Trophy is NOT for 1 year's work. We need to evaluate how many more poor performances in the big games he has before we vote him No. 1 for basically 1 good game in his entire life.

And, 3 Losses. http://media.macon.com/smedia/2007/10/27/19/264-102707uga1070gb.slideshow_main.prod_affiliate.71.j pg

These are the 1-liners that drive Florida crocodile fans crazy. Whose fault is that ? Is there one word not true here ? No.

[ugamcrae]

"What exactly does doing well in the pros have to do with the Heisman? I thought it was for the best COLLEGE player, not the player that translates best with the NFL."

I am not trying to slam Tebow or UF, but I believe in giving the award to the BEST individual player. The pro thing might be irrelevant to the voters, but it is irrefutable proof of how good a given player really is.

[AFWarrior83]

I say give it to the best player in College football. That would be DMAC hands down!! Florida is loaded with talent compared to Arkansas, yet we finished with similar records...

McFadden splits carries with Felix Jones, whos had over 1,000 yards rushing back to back years. They both play important positions, but I think DMAC is more versitle; he can run it, catch it, throw it, or probably even kick it! Reminds me of Friday Night Lights "Boobie Miles".

[gatorunvrsty]

Glad I didn't even have to chime in on that insane first assessment. It's so full of holes, I'd be here all day listing the problems and mistakes. BTW, the guy with 3000+ yards, 29 TD's passing, and 800+ yards, 22 TD's rushing is pretty versatile, too. Tebow's 838 yards would be decent rushing numbers for a RB. DMac's 123 yards passing wouldn't be considered decent for any QB, on any team, in any conference, at any time in the history of CFB. If versatility is the argument, DMac doesn't have a prayer. Even as a receiver, he's only got 164 yards all season.

[BAMAPERRY]

I agree that McFadden should win the heisman, but not because of the reasons you have given. First of all Alabama is not a good team and neither is USC. Tennessee held him in check, although he did get over 100 yds. in that one. Tebow has 5 star players at every position and the use that damned spread offense isolating the playmakers. You pretty much have to pick your poison with that team. Stopping Tebow is a tall order and really no one has done it yet. On the other hand McFadden and to a lesser extent Jones are the only players on the team for Ark. And also, McFadden beat LSU in Baton Rouge and Tebow did not.

41-17 :wacko:
:laugh:

[the Paradox]

Tebow has answered the bell every game and put up no less than pretty good numbers. The award, which has become a joke, should go to Tebow.

RTR

[gatorunvrsty]

Tebow has answered the bell every game and put up no less than pretty good numbers. The award, which has become a joke, should go to Tebow.

RTR

That's really the bottom line; and what everyone who's actually a voter has been saying... Tebow showed up EVERY week. DMac didn't. But, that said, either guy is DESERVING of the award. It's just that DMac's season hasn't been more impressive than Tebow's THIS year.

[SEC-RULES]

Should blowing up LSU's defense vault Mcfadden back into the race?? If so, where is Woodson?? A couple of weeks ago, Mcfadden wasn't even in the Heisman talk. One good game doesn't qualify as a year long effort. What about his output against Auburn? Florida may have 3 losses, but nobody has stopped Tebow. Georgia boxed him in pretty good, but look at his numbers. Tebow should win hands down, but probably won't because he's a Sophomore. I think Chase Daniels wins because Espn has been hyping him since his win over Kansas. If you took Mcfadden out, Jones could still carry the load. Take Tebow out and Florida is dead in the water. If Mcfadden hadn't finished second last year, he would not even be in the Heisman conversation!! Like it or not, Tebow deserves the HEISMAN!!!!!http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc120/1wareagle22/Motivation.jpg

[gatorunvrsty]

Should blowing up LSU's defense vault Mcfadden back into the race?? If so, where is Woodson?? A couple of weeks ago, Mcfadden wasn't even in the Heisman talk. One good game doesn't qualify as a year long effort. What about his output against Auburn? Florida may have 3 losses, but nobody has stopped Tebow. Georgia boxed him in pretty good, but look at his numbers. Tebow should win hands down, but probably won't because he's a Sophomore. I think Chase Daniels wins because Espn has been hyping him since his win over Kansas. If you took Mcfadden out, Jones could still carry the load. Take Tebow out and Florida is dead in the water. If Mcfadden hadn't finished second last year, he would not even be in the Heisman conversation!! Like it or not, Tebow deserves the HEISMAN!!!!!http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc120/1wareagle22/Motivation.jpg

It's funny you mentioned that. In another thread about DMac's numbers, some folks are harping on DMac's 1700 yards, and where that ranks him among the greats from the SEC. What they're not taking into account, is that we play more games than the other guys did on the all-time list. He's only averaging 138 yards per game... and that would get you a spot at 9th place all-time, and nowhere near the guys who actually won the Heisman.

1. 171.9— Herschel Walker, Georgia (1,891 in 11 games)............................................ ............1981
2. 162.4— Bo Jackson, Auburn (1,786 in 11 games) .................................................. ..............1985
3. 159.3— Herschel Walker, Georgia (1,752 in 11 games)............................................ ............1982
4. 153.3— Charles Alexander, LSU (1,686 in 11 games) .................................................. .........1977
5. 146.9— Herschel Walker, Georgia (1,616 in 11 games)............................................ ............1980
6. 145.5— Moe Williams, Kentucky (1,600 in 11 games)............................................ ...............1995
7. 145.4— Emmitt Smith, Florida (1,599 in 11 games) .................................................. ............1989
8. 140.6— Garrison Hearst, Georgia (1,547 in 11 games)............................................ ............1992
9. 131.2— Johnny Dottley, Ole Miss (1,312 in 10 games) .................................................. .......1949
10. 130.7— Jay Graham, Tennessee (1,438 in 11 games)............................................ ...............1995

[GatorHunter]

It's funny you mentioned that. In another thread about DMac's numbers, some folks are harping on DMac's 1700 yards, and where that ranks him among the greats from the SEC. What they're not taking into account, is that we play more games than the other guys did on the all-time list. He's only averaging 138 yards per game... and that would get you a spot at 9th place all-time, and nowhere near the guys who actually won the Heisman.

1. 171.9— Herschel Walker, Georgia (1,891 in 11 games)............................................ ............1981
2. 162.4— Bo Jackson, Auburn (1,786 in 11 games) .................................................. ..............1985
3. 159.3— Herschel Walker, Georgia (1,752 in 11 games)............................................ ............1982
4. 153.3— Charles Alexander, LSU (1,686 in 11 games) .................................................. .........1977
5. 146.9— Herschel Walker, Georgia (1,616 in 11 games)............................................ ............1980
6. 145.5— Moe Williams, Kentucky (1,600 in 11 games)............................................ ...............1995
7. 145.4— Emmitt Smith, Florida (1,599 in 11 games) .................................................. ............1989
8. 140.6— Garrison Hearst, Georgia (1,547 in 11 games)............................................ ............1992
9. 131.2— Johnny Dottley, Ole Miss (1,312 in 10 games) .................................................. .......1949
10. 130.7— Jay Graham, Tennessee (1,438 in 11 games)............................................ ...............1995

King of Stats!!!:king:

Wow...now that's pretty telling. But really, I'm not knocking McFadden....he's had the year we all expected him to have...he just hasn't done anything "spectacular". 300yds vs SC...well, SC is 6-6 and their defense is playing as poorly as it has in 3 years. 200 yds vs LSU is very impressive...but can you win the Heisman based on 1-2 good performances? That's my point. Tebow may have not been "as productive" in a game or two this season...but he's produced in all the games....to the tune of 4,000yds and 51 TDs...these are extraordinary numbers...he's accomplished what's never been done in college football history...how can you compare a player having a couple of good games to that?