Ignorant

[GatorBait15]

It is ignorant for people thinking tebow shouldnt win heisman saying daniel or mcfadden....1st of all you cant give me the b/s about loses because d mac has 4!...2nd of all tebow has not had a bad game all year he is the real deal stats show, he is a great leader and has alot of heart the kid has talent and is deserving of a heisman trophy its dumb for people that say he isnt the best player in the country, and even worst from the sec fans saying daniels for heisman!...the teams they play dont compare to the teams us sec teams play and tebows putin up big stats vrs the top defenses! it just doesnt make for a sec fan to say or vote daniels for heisman, I guess to you all its just about the mvp of a good team cause you know damn well Tebow is better than daniel!!!!!

Tebow-
2007 Season Stats:
Passing: 3,135 YDS | 29 TD
6 INT | 68.56 CMP%
Rushing: 838 YDS | 22 TD
51 tds


Daniel-
2007 Season Stats:
Passing: 3,951 YDS | 33 TD
9 INT | 71 CMP%
Rushing: 258 YDS | 3 TD
36 tds

[zorak34]

Tim Tebow is the Heiman Trophy winner no doubt! Don't forget espn is a bunch of SEC Haters!

[D^3]

Well, Daniels' has better passing numbers... but Tebow also has rushing numbers to go with his passing. The problem is, Tebow is a sophomore, and Daniels' could end up playing for the Nat'l title. If that happens, Chase will likely get it. Tebow probably deserves it, but he will likely get it in the next 2 years.

[GatorBait15]

Tebows not in a pass more than 30 times offense tho...mizz throws 50 times a game tebow around 25-30....Tebow has 51 tds chase has 36....If you guys are into the voting the best player of the best team b/s daniels is your pick!..but if you want the best player tebow is it!...another thing to look at...our defense is on the feild so long we dont get as many drives as we would like to have!....I cant even fill up my hands counting on how many times I have seen us punt this year

[D^3]

Tebows not in a pass more than 30 times offense tho...mizz throws 50 times a game tebow around 25-30....Tebow has 51 tds chase has 36....If you guys are into the voting the best player of the best team b/s daniels is your pick!..but if you want the best player tebow is it!...another thing to look at...our defense is on the feild so long we dont get as many drives as we would like to have!....I cant even fill up my hands counting on how many times I have seen us punt this year

True they pass a lot more, but his completion percentage is a lot higher too, as is his passer rating.

Look, I'm not a voter... if I were I'd vote for Tebow. The people here in the SEC know who deserves it but it doesn't always happen that way.

[GatorBait15]

yeah there have ben some screw overs in the heisman race...payton manning, tommy frasher, etc.

[BamaFanNKy]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....... another Tebow stat thread.

[geechee]

It is ignorant for people thinking tebow shouldnt win heisman saying daniel or mcfadden....

It's not ignorance dude. It's called a difference of opinion. Everyone seems to have an opinion and many times those opinions are different. I for one was sold on Tebow till I watched Dmac play against LSU. If you don't think that one game changed many writers minds about Dmac then it is you who is ignorant.:dry:

[D^3]

Yeah, I gotta say... D-Mac certainly got my attention.

[GatorBait15]

No Im not ignorant but people that vote on a one week performance are sorry haus

[GatorBait15]

D-mac got mine two...despite his 3 fumbles he had a great game but i dont think hes a heisman winner top 3 yes!

[GatorBait15]

the difference between dmac n tebow...d mac has ben stoped..tebow hasnt just cause we lost doesnt mean he has ben contained! or stoped

[HOG02]

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[D^3]

^ wow.... that was harsh. Don't think that was necessary.

[geechee]

the difference between dmac n tebow...d mac has ben stoped..tebow hasnt just cause we lost doesnt mean he has ben contained! or stoped

I'm sorry that you can not grasp the fact that they play different positions.

If Tebow wins, I'm fine with it. If Dmac wins, I'm fine with that also and Tebow will still have next year. Don't take it so personally. Its just a popularity contest.

[gatorunvrsty]

True they pass a lot more, but his completion percentage is a lot higher too, as is his passer rating.

Look, I'm not a voter... if I were I'd vote for Tebow. The people here in the SEC know who deserves it but it doesn't always happen that way.

Not true. Tebow's rating has been off the charts all year. Only OU's Bradford (who hasn't played in a couple weeks), is higher. Daniels rating isn't even close, and their comp. percentage is almost equal.

2. Tim Tebow, Florida 217-317 3132yds. 68.5% 9.9ypc. 29TD's 6INT's 177.85 Rating

8. Chase Daniel, Missouri 349-495 3951yds. 70.5% 8.0ypc. 33TD's 9INT's 155.92 Rating

That's a huge difference in passer rating, and there are 5 other guys ahead of Daniel.

EDIT: As for the title of this thread, it has nothing to do with stupidity, but personal choice. I just wish the folks who claim to be giving unbiased opinions would actually give realistic reasons for their choice, using stats and facts (accurate ones). Not you 3D. I realize you're not in this category.

[GatorBait15]

Im just saying that tebow is more than deserving, have you ever seen tebow play haha

[D^3]

Not true. Tebow's rating has been off the charts all year. Only OU's Bradford (who hasn't played in a couple weeks), is higher. Daniels rating isn't even close, and their comp. percentage is almost equal.

2. Tim Tebow, Florida 217-317 3132yds. 68.5% 9.9ypc. 29TD's 6INT's 177.85 Rating

8. Chase Daniel, Missouri 349-495 3951yds. 70.5% 8.0ypc. 33TD's 9INT's 155.92 Rating

That's a huge difference in passer rating, and there are 5 other guys ahead of Daniel.

But he does have more yards, more TD's and a better completion %

[HOG02]

^ wow.... that was harsh. Don't think that was necessary.

You're right. Not cool, my bad.

[GatorHunter]

It's not ignorance dude. It's called a difference of opinion. Everyone seems to have an opinion and many times those opinions are different. I for one was sold on Tebow till I watched Dmac play against LSU. If you don't think that one game changed many writers minds about Dmac then it is you who is ignorant.:dry:

That's "your opinion" geechee. And if a "writer" changes his opinion based on one game...he/she is ignorant.:D

Throughout the history of the Heisman Trophy...there have been many players that won it that shouldn't have. Manning got totally screwed...McFadden got screwed last year...Grossman got screwed in '01.

As McFadden said himself, the numbers don't lie. Tebow has better numbers than anyone. Yea, Daniel's passing numbers are slightly better...but Tebow's rushing numbers are drastically better. That's not opinion...that's fact.

Unfortunately, the Heisman seems to always go to the best player on the top rated team...which is sad because it's suppose to go to the best player in CFB. Also, ESPN seems to have an influence on the winner...I swear, it was nauseating watching Herbstriet foam at the mouth over Daniel.

I know folks think Tebow will have his chances later...but I would hate for one of the most prolific seasons by a QB go unrecognized.

[GatorBait15]

he has more yards because of the times they throw! we throw about 30 times they throw 50.... they are both great players I just think Tebows better

[D^3]

he has more yards because of the times they throw! we throw about 30 times they throw 50.... they are both great players I just think Tebows better

But his completion % is better. He throws more, but he also throws it better.

[gatorunvrsty]

I'll repeat what I heard more than one commentator say yesterday. "If the kid that scores 51 touchdowns isn't the guy, who is?". Those used to be career numbers, not season numbers.

[GatorBait15]

well tebow makes it up for his 22 rushing tds id say..he will be the 1st player to not just have 20 20 but 30-20! after the bowl....its hard to overlook that

[gatorunvrsty]

But his completion % is better. He throws more, but he also throws it better.

By 2%, which is minute with that many passes, against lesser competition. The important number is passer rating; and Tebow's is significantly higher, again against much tougher defenses. Go back and look at this thread, at the pass defenses each guy has played: http://www.sectalk.com/boards/sec-football-talk/23507-tebow-vs-daniel-facts.html

[fernandomike]

If it goes to the best player in the country, then D-Mac will get it. If I had a vote though, Tebow would be second. The kid is simply the most unique athlete that I've seen in years. I still think that McFadden is a better player, spectacular despite the relative lack of weapons surrounding him. Make no mistake, when he has been stopped, it has been because of the Hogs anemic passing attack. In my mind, a higher percentage of Tebow's success is predicated on the 4.3 wideouts at UF and the scheme Meyer employs.

[GatorHunter]

If it goes to the best player in the country, then D-Mac will get it. If I had a vote though, Tebow would be second. The kid is simply the most unique athlete that I've seen in years. I still think that McFadden is a better player, spectacular despite the relative lack of weapons surrounding him. Make no mistake, when he has been stopped, it has been because of the Hogs anemic passing attack. In my mind, a higher percentage of Tebow's success is predicated on the 4.3 wideouts at UF and the scheme Meyer employs.

I respect your opinion, mike...but it is opinion. All we're saying is Tebow has the numbers...far and above anyone else...and that's a fact...not an opinion.

And these are the same WRs that Leak had.....his numbers were no-where-near Tebows...nor was his offense as prolific.

[smfr]

I hope Mccfadden wins it

[fernandomike]

I respect your opinion, mike...but it is opinion. All we're saying is Tebow has the numbers...far and above anyone else...and that's a fact...not an opinion.

And these are the same WRs that Leak had.....his numbers were no-where-near Tebows...nor was his offense as prolific.

Well, that isn't quite all you guys are saying. The thread began with the assertion that it would be stupid if anyone other than Tebow won the Heisman. I think that is a bit of a stretch.
Dude, Tebow has been amazing this season. I have nothing but respect for what he has accomplished on the field. It wouldn't be like anyone should feel slighted if Tebow won it. I just feel like, all else being equal, McFadden is a better player. I don't think that opinion is unique or controversial. It's just that sometimes we have to rely on more than pure numbers in rating players or else qb's in certain pass-happy systems would win the Heisman every season.

[gatorunvrsty]

Well, that isn't quite all you guys are saying. The thread began with the assertion that it would be stupid if anyone other than Tebow won the Heisman. I think that is a bit of a stretch.
Dude, Tebow has been amazing this season. I have nothing but respect for what he has accomplished on the field. It wouldn't be like anyone should feel slighted if Tebow won it. I just feel like, all else being equal, McFadden is a better player. I don't think that opinion is unique or controversial. It's just that sometimes we have to rely on more than pure numbers in rating players or else qb's in certain pass-happy systems would win the Heisman every season.

Actually, Mike, that's what one guy said; and none of the rest of us agreed with it. In fact, most of us disagreed. I think we all have the utmost respect for DMac, and what he's accomplished . And, he was the best player in cfb... last year. He was better than all the guys he was up against, but got beat out by an overrated guy on an overrated team. This year, he just isn't the best player. The offenses of both teams are designed to make their most talented player successful... not just Tebow's team. And, UF isn't one of those pass-happy teams. He's got 3000+passing, and 800+ rushing. People forget that UF is the #27 (197.7ypg) rushing team in the nation, just because we don't do it with a traditional back. That puts us 3rd in the SEC, behind only Arky and LSU. Yep, and 20 ypg better than even UGA, who has the big-name back. As a passing offense, we're #33 (264.3 ypg). That puts us 2nd in the SEC, behind only UK. That's just excellent balance.:thumpsup:

[GatorHunter]

I just feel like, all else being equal, McFadden is a better player. I don't think that opinion is unique or controversial. It's just that sometimes we have to rely on more than pure numbers in rating players or else qb's in certain pass-happy systems would win the Heisman every season.

What else is there to "rely on" than pure numbers? I agree...you should also consider the competition as much as the numbers. But both McFadden and Tebow have both played basically the same competition.

Another interesting stat. Versus common opponents....McFadden has been resposible for 7 TDs...Tebow had 25 TDs. What else can you go on? Tebow has played the same teams and piled on the TDs and yardage.

Total: McFadden has scored (rushing and passing) 20 TDs.

Tebow has scored 51 TDs.

There is no comparision.

Mike, I realize you look at McFadden and take into account his "career"...but the Heisman is an annual award for one season...it's not a career accomplishment award.

Before his great game vs LSU...McFadden wasn't even going to be invited to New York. Now, he's likely going. Bad thing is...had McFadden not been invited...Tebow likely gets all of the South vote...now, he'll be splitting them with McFadden, basically taking both out of the equation.

I think McFadden is one of the top RBs in SEC history...I also think that he'll likely be the first player taken in the Draft...but he hasn't done enough this season to warrant a Heisman...you just can't overlook games where he rushed for 43 yds and 88 yds...not to mention, he had 2 fumbles vs LSU. Those are mistakes that Tebow hasn't made. He's played great in all 12 games this season...that's what Heisman winners do.