Those Towels are not Free Boys!

[the Paradox]

ESPN - Stealing from hotels nets 20 probation at Ole Miss - College Football (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3117870)


Where are the Ole Miss Fans that flamed Saban over discipline now?!


RTR

[Tennessee Ted]

Those aren't pillows.

[crimsonnation713]

Karmas a fickle thing.

[Rebel Chuck]

This season has been alot of fun:cry:

[the Paradox]

This season has been alot of fun:cry:

Hey, look at the bright side, the players should have plenty of those tiny bars of soap now. :laugh:

RTR

[NiKka]

our boosters don't pay our players like some..




y'all lost to LA-Monroe..

[NiKka]

Greg Hardy, our best player has missed 3 games worth of action this year due to discplinary reasons.. He never got thrown into a game after halftime while being beaten by a Sun Belt conference team, DJ Hall couldn't save you and the refs tried to save you but failed.. face it Alabama is a 4-8/5-7 team dressed by the refs, in 6-6 clothing.

War Eagle

[crimsonnation713]

our boosters don't pay our players like some..




y'all lost to LA-Monroe..

Hell they don't have to. They steal what they want. That rebuttal totally sucked by the way. You could do better than that.


Ya'll lost to LA- Monroe????? BAHAHAHAHA !!!!

[the Paradox]

our boosters don't pay our players like some..




y'all lost to LA-Monroe..

Perhaps you should start, that way you might actually win an SEC game.

RTR

[the Paradox]

Greg Hardy, our best player has missed 3 games worth of action this year due to discplinary reasons.. He never got thrown into a game after halftime while being beaten by a Sun Belt conference team, DJ Hall couldn't save you and the refs tried to save you but failed.. face it Alabama is a 4-8/5-7 team dressed by the refs, in 6-6 clothing.

War Eagle

Are the "MotelGate" players seeing action this week?

RTR

[Jay1]

:ohbfrank:

Just when you think it can't get any worse, it does.

There is no excuse for being a thief.

[Rebel Dave]

our boosters don't pay our players like some..





We have our own Dr. Green just like all the other schools. Maybe it's , "we don't pay ours as much as some do".

[Rebel Dave]

I've been out of pocket at our cabin since Saturday. I just read this in the morning papers. I still don't know a lot about what happened but if they were stealing, then they should be on more than probation at the school but be in legal problems as well.

You steal, you go to jail. That's the way it should be.

Good excuse for us to fire Orgeron now. He's lost control of the team.

[Cianne]

Alabama tards can also stop posting flames in the Ole Miss forums. Thanks.

Please go back to enjoying your loss to UL-Pick'em in your own forums.

[the Paradox]

Alabama tards can also stop posting flames in the Ole Miss forums. Thanks.

Please go back to enjoying your loss to UL-Pick'em in your own forums.


Not a flame, facts. A legit story does not equal flame.

RTR

[Cianne]

After the link, everything posted was ragging on our players and our school. You can do that in the Trash Talk forums.

[the Paradox]

After the link, everything posted was ragging on our players and our school. You can do that in the Trash Talk forums.

Nikka started the flaming, I merely posted a story and then made a lighthearted reference.

RTR

[Cianne]

I've been out of pocket at our cabin since Saturday. I just read this in the morning papers. I still don't know a lot about what happened but if they were stealing, then they should be on more than probation at the school but be in legal problems as well.

You steal, you go to jail. That's the way it should be.

Good excuse for us to fire Orgeron now. He's lost control of the team.

There's no legal problems. The items were immediately paid for by the players and the hotel did not press charges.

The only reason this came out is because Neal McReady was looking for something newsworthy after getting canned on his radio show. It was taken care for three-four weeks ago.

[Tennessee Ted]

I find it kind of cute an amateurish that the Ole Miss players did this. Our Volunteers would never mess around with silly things like pillows and radios. If you are going to get in trouble have some fun. Have three coeds in your bed, smoke it up, or get really hammered and get into a fight at a bar. Those are things real programs do.

[crimsonnation713]

So it was swept away?

[the Paradox]

There's no legal problems. The items were immediately paid for by the players and the hotel did not press charges.

The only reason this came out is because Neal McReady was looking for something newsworthy after getting canned on his radio show. It was taken care for three-four weeks ago.

Old Neal put her down. That jerk learned a lesson in radio 101, one cannot insult 70% of your audience and keep thy job.

RTR

[Cianne]

So it was swept away?

It was dealt with accordingly like it should have been. The players were disciplined at the time it occurred and everyone moved on. They just had to do a formal press release since a crazed journalist decided it was good enough to be front page material a month later.

If the players did more than take $20 worth of stuff, then it probably would have been worth noting. I realize that it's bad and/or wrong no matter the amount in the eyes of the law (a petty misdemeanor), but it's not as if they went on a Motley Crue rampage.

[crimsonnation713]

IMO stealing is stealing regardless of the amount. But thats just me. Tard OUT.

[NiKka]

not paying for books is stealing aswell right?

[the Paradox]

not paying for books is stealing aswell right?

See, once again you speak from from ignorance. They were given the books per their contract with the school. I would educate you more, but your proclivity to spout off spew overwhelms even me.


RTR

[azamugg]

what you say Nikka? you're name is fitting fer an Ole Miss fan now that I think about it, your intelligence reflected by your posts, all you can offer, is fitting of an Ole Miss fan, your attitude, sour (mine would be too if I knew all I would ever know as an Ole Miss fan would be futility).................therefore we deem anything you write unworthy of being read and hereby consider you merely a nuisance, like a gnat at a summer picnic

buzz off, Im sure theres a turd somewhere with your name on it

[Cianne]

Technically, the textbooks could be deemed stealing as well as they were turning around and selling them to friends thus depriving the school of the money it was ensured under the contract.

Oh and Aza, you have no right to talk about Nikka's posting style as yours is nearly identical.

This is not the forum for personal attacks on posters so take it elsewhere. Going to close this thread the next time it happens.

[NiKka]

If I really and truely cared precisely how I typed on a fan forum that really has no significance to my life and well being i'd probably shoot myself in the face. and I really care to look so far into Alabama's issues i'm sure you dig all over google for some dirt about this hotel situation.
worry about your own team why are you concerned with 3-8 Ole Miss go praise your Saban.. sorry I meant god.

[azamugg]

Technically, the textbooks could be deemed stealing as well as they were turning around and selling them to friends thus depriving the school of the money it was ensured under the contract.

Oh and Aza, you have no right to talk about Nikka's posting style as yours is nearly identical.
This is not the forum for personal attacks on posters so take it elsewhere. Going to close this thread the next time it happens.


1st bold .......my postin stile aint nothin liken his and you no it

2nd bold.......that threat is similar to my mommer threating to send me to bed w/out supper (liver and onions)

[bbqit]

Not a flame, facts. A legit story does not equal flame.

RTR

Maybe fact but taking a towel doesn't pass the "Means" test.

[gatorunvrsty]

Does anyone know if they had a prior arrangement with the owner of the hotel to go ahead and take the towels? :ph34r:

[SaveCol.Reb]

Was it classy?...not at all.
Was it right?...not at all.
Who's to Blame?...everyone from Coach O to the players involved.

However, Bama fans coming onto the Ole Miss section of this web site and frying us further is ridiculous. Five of your players got busted in October for "impermissible receipt of textbooks." How many games did Marlon Davis, Antoine Caldwell, Glen Coffee, Marquis Johnson, and Chris Rogers miss? Plus you guys have all kinds of recruitment violations to your credit.

My point being is this stuff happens to football programs of all levels at some point in History. It's not a big deal when Alabama suffers these kinds of infractions, right? I'm not defending a single player that is guilty, but Alabama would allow anybody on the field despite a criminal record if it meant winning. Not to mention that as a whole you have the largest trailer park following of any other SEC football program. You guys are all class right??

Get back in the Bama section. You guys need go ahead and start fabricating some penalties the refs didn't call after Auburn beats you for the sixth year in a row. Or thinking up some more excuses as to why you shouldered the most embarrassing loss of any SEC team this year. I mean we may not have an SEC win, but we somehow locked up LA. Tech and Northwestern State.

Fear the other hand, Bama!!!

[crimsonnation713]

And you do the same with your fans. okie dokie???

[Jay1]

In my opinion the Alabama players stole from the University of Alabama concerning the books, that is obvious. Ole Miss players stole and were thieves when they took the towels, pillows and the radios.

Bryant and Vaught would have been embarrassed and would have toasted the players involved.

[bigsexxxy]

Was it classy?...not at all.
Was it right?...not at all.
Who's to Blame?...everyone from Coach O to the players involved.

However, Bama fans coming onto the Ole Miss section of this web site and frying us further is ridiculous. Five of your players got busted in October for "impermissible receipt of textbooks." How many games did Marlon Davis, Antoine Caldwell, Glen Coffee, Marquis Johnson, and Chris Rogers miss? Plus you guys have all kinds of recruitment violations to your credit.

My point being is this stuff happens to football programs of all levels at some point in History. It's not a big deal when Alabama suffers these kinds of infractions, right? I'm not defending a single player that is guilty, but Alabama would allow anybody on the field despite a criminal record if it meant winning. Not to mention that as a whole you have the largest trailer park following of any other SEC football program. You guys are all class right??

Get back in the Bama section. You guys need go ahead and start fabricating some penalties the refs didn't call after Auburn beats you for the sixth year in a row. Or thinking up some more excuses as to why you shouldered the most embarrassing loss of any SEC team this year. I mean we may not have an SEC win, but we somehow locked up LA. Tech and Northwestern State.

Fear the other hand, Bama!!!

You had a really, really good point going until you had to start being an ass and talk about our "trailer-park fans".

I wouldn't say anything about fearing the other hand. Someday Archie's grand kids will show up and lead Ole Miss to victory against Alabama again. An Ole Miss fan can dream right?

[SaveCol.Reb]

My point is still good.

I just read and lost my temper, but the point is still valid and good. Just youtube the drunk girl kissing Saban when he arrives in Ttown. Do you honestly think she went to the University a day in her life? On any given saturday in Tuscaloosa her kind are a dime a dozen.

As for beating bama again...Maybe we should just hope we get some transfers from ULM.

[gatorunvrsty]

My point is still good.

I just read and lost my temper, but the point is still valid and good. Just youtube the drunk girl kissing Saban when he arrives in Ttown. Do you honestly think she went to the University a day in her life? On any given saturday in Tuscaloosa her kind are a dime a dozen.

As for beating bama again...Maybe we should just hope we get some transfers from ULM.

Couldn't hurt.

[bigsexxxy]

Couldn't hurt.

That was a pretty good comeback there SaveColonelReb. Big ups. :laugh:

[Jay1]

I'll trade you guys a radio for some books. :laugh:

[crimsonnation713]

I'll trade you guys a radio for some books. :laugh:

NOW THATS FUNNY I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE !!!!! :laugh::laugh:


GIT 'ER DONE !!!

[Rebel Chuck]

Who gives a damn about all of this? Yea it sucks but these are college kids. They are going to make a few stupid mistakes. Some of the stuff my buddies and I took part in would have gotten us a death penalty. At least they are not going to jail or any of the other junk that you see at some of the other schools.

[bbqit]

I kinda agree Rebel Chuck. I really dont think stealing towels was as bad as super glueing a cadaver's hand to his pecker. My roommate didn't take me up to that floor after that.

[Rebel Chuck]

I kinda agree Rebel Chuck. I really dont think stealing towels was as bad as super glueing a cadaver's hand to his pecker. My roommate didn't take me up to that floor after that.
Good Lord! :laugh::laugh:

[bbqit]

Or putting a golf ball in a cannon and accidently shooting the steeple off a church a few blocks away

[Rebel Chuck]

Or putting a golf ball in a cannon and accidently shooting the steeple off a church a few blocks away

How about rolling up all of the dozen or so floor mats in the huddle house and taking them back to the dorm and passing them out; during busy hours.

[bbqit]

It should have cleared it easily and landed in a huge wood pile

[bbqit]

Or stealing a bath tub a frat used for initiation and dropping it in a holiday inn pool. Accidently drained the pool.

[bbqit]

Or getting away with painting the lions while sae alumni were visiting me for the weekend. They still don't know who did it.

[bbqit]

:yelrotflm:yelrotflm:yelrotflm Towels :yelrotflm:yelrotflm:yelrotflm

[Sabanocchio]

ESPN - Stealing from hotels nets 20 probation at Ole Miss - College Football (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3117870)


Where are the Ole Miss Fans that flamed Saban over discipline now?!


RTR
They had to have something to wipe those tears with.

[Jay1]

"The property included radios and pillows....The student-athletes involved have personally repaid the value of these items, which ranges from $15-$40."
--Pete Boone--Tupelo Daily Journal

[bbqit]

Look, the punishment fit the crime. Each paid $32.50 (out of their own pocket) and got put on a probationary time. Deal with it. The kids got caught doing something stupid and got in a bit of trouble. At least it wasn't assault (which no players on that team was put on probation)

[msgadawg]

WOW! This has been entertaining,,

[Jay1]

Look, the punishment fit the crime. Each paid $32.50 (out of their own pocket) and got put on a probationary time. Deal with it. The kids got caught doing something stupid and got in a bit of trouble. At least it wasn't assault (which no players on that team was put on probation)



Paying for what you tried to steal isn't punishment, it's breaking even.

I wouldn't trust one of them in my home with me gone. Once again they have been taught that if you play some sport you get special treatment. Well, guess what, when their playing days are over, so is the special treatment.

The poor kid who steals a $5 item at Wal-Mart gets arrested and has their parents called. It's called a deterrent, shame, embarrassment, and he or she gets led out in handcuffs. I've seen a 12 year old girl crying and begging to be allowed to pay for the item, and pleading not to call her mother and father. But she lives in the real world. If these sweet kids (Ole Miss) had had their fun at Wal-Mart they would have been led out in handcuffs. They had better learn real fast that football won't always save them.

Deal with it? I don't have to. They are the thieves, they can deal with it.

[GeauxTo]

face it Alabama is a 4-8/5-7 team dressed by the refs, in 6-6 clothing.

War Eagle


Now that's classic, man!
:thumpsup::laugh::thumpsup:

[NiKka]

Paying for what you tried to steal isn't punishment, it's breaking even.

I wouldn't trust one of them in my home with me gone. Once again they have been taught that if you play some sport you get special treatment. Well, guess what, when their playing days are over, so is the special treatment.

The poor kid who steals a $5 item at Wal-Mart gets arrested and has their parents called. It's called a deterrent, shame, embarrassment, and he or she gets led out in handcuffs. I've seen a 12 year old girl crying and begging to be allowed to pay for the item, and pleading not to call her mother and father. But she lives in the real world. If these sweet kids (Ole Miss) had had their fun at Wal-Mart they would have been led out in handcuffs.They had better learn real fast that football won't always save them.

Deal with it? I don't have to. They are the thieves, they can deal with it.

right...........

[NiKka]

I take towels from hotels..
so the hell what?

tell me how much of a piece of crap and scum I am and how I should be arrested Jay


go ahead

[Jay1]

I take towels from hotels..
so the hell what?

tell me how much of a piece of crap and scum I am and how I should be arrested Jay


go ahead

I could never say it better than you did. I agree.

[NiKka]

sure it is wrong but you talk as if these boys have commited a felony and label them as spoiled athletes..

get real Jay.. seriously

I don't care how many dates and names you can pull off of wikipedia
you're not a fan of Ole Miss

[bbqit]

Paying for what you tried to steal isn't punishment, it's breaking even.

I wouldn't trust one of them in my home with me gone. Once again they have been taught that if you play some sport you get special treatment. Well, guess what, when their playing days are over, so is the special treatment.

The poor kid who steals a $5 item at Wal-Mart gets arrested and has their parents called. It's called a deterrent, shame, embarrassment, and he or she gets led out in handcuffs. I've seen a 12 year old girl crying and begging to be allowed to pay for the item, and pleading not to call her mother and father. But she lives in the real world. If these sweet kids (Ole Miss) had had their fun at Wal-Mart they would have been led out in handcuffs. They had better learn real fast that football won't always save them.

Deal with it? I don't have to. They are the thieves, they can deal with it.

Do you work at walmart? I understand things can happen there but I have never seen a child in handcuffs. I bet by the time it is over the parents paid for the item and charges were dropped. Then a good parent would make the kid earn the money to pay for it and be grounded (with a spanking too). Sounds a bit familiar doesn't it.

[Jay1]

If you get caught stealing at Wal-Mart, the police are called and you are arrested. If it is a minor the parents are called and they go with the child to the police department. The court system then decides the result.

[Jay1]

I take towels from hotels..
so the hell what?


So you are a thief.

Is it just towels you steal or have you branched out yet to bigger and better things? :laugh:

[bbqit]

If you get caught stealing at Wal-Mart, the police are called and you are arrested. If it is a minor the parents are called and they go with the child to the police department. The court system then decides the result.


You are either talking from the experience of been there done that or you have never seen a judge get pissed that you are logging up his court room with a $32.50 charge. I was playing golf with a judge just yesterday and brought up the subject. He and I agree that the courts have more to do than have the Jays of the world determining who goes to jail or files frivolous law suits. In the case above the parents and the business should settle things like adults and gentlemen (which a child has not yet become and should get a chance to see how good people act) and then work to keep the problem from ever happening again. If ya go all Jay on them, we can fill our courts and our jails so that they over flow even more than they do already and never build a decent society because all we do is condem right from wrong instead of teach right from wrong. Children were not born knowing right from wrong and the little things should be lessons. You can condem the big things. $32.50 is little.

[bbqit]

Thinkin about this, it is a shame this has gone to walmart standards. Our system being compared to walmart's idea on anything is ludicrous. It's funny that you (jay) think walmart policy is so important it is the only and right thing to do. Those everyday low prices are so cool to ya I guess.

[Chinaski]

what you say Nikka? you're name is fitting fer an Ole Miss fan now that I think about it, your intelligence reflected by your posts, all you can offer, is fitting of an Ole Miss fan, your attitude, sour (mine would be too if I knew all I would ever know as an Ole Miss fan would be futility).................therefore we deem anything you write unworthy of being read and hereby consider you merely a nuisance, like a gnat at a summer picnic

buzz off, Im sure theres a turd somewhere with your name on it

Who told you your crap is more worthy than his? You say his posts are unworthy of being read and yet you very well do bother reading and answering. Look buddy quit ridiculing yourself, if You dont agree with Nikkas post, go ahead tell him about your opinion but keep in mind you are talking to one single young Ole Miss fan and not to all Ole Miss fans and community as a whole. So stop generalizing, if You have a problem with him throw your sh..t at him and dont throw the rest in the same pot as that wouldnt make you look any better and you already dont look very good. I actually expected some one in your age to know about simple stuff like that. Btw, an intelligent person doesnt judge based on nick names. There are loads of young people on this board and their nicks just fit to their young style and their state of mind. they just want to be unique and its not an Ole Miss fan syndrome at all.

Just look around yourself and you will see so many various crazy and meaningless nick names of bama fans (including the one of yourself). It doesnt indicate a sh..t. It doesnt say a sh.. t about the character behind it.

Regarding the subject, i think Jay said it well and there is nothing to add.

[Jay1]

You are either talking from the experience of been there done that or you have never seen a judge get pissed that you are logging up his court room with a $32.50 charge. I was playing golf with a judge just yesterday and brought up the subject. He and I agree that the courts have more to do than have the Jays of the world determining who goes to jail or files frivolous law suits. In the case above the parents and the business should settle things like adults and gentlemen (which a child has not yet become and should get a chance to see how good people act) and then work to keep the problem from ever happening again. If ya go all Jay on them, we can fill our courts and our jails so that they over flow even more than they do already and never build a decent society because all we do is condem right from wrong instead of teach right from wrong. Children were not born knowing right from wrong and the little things should be lessons. You can condem the big things. $32.50 is little.

Being arrested for stealing isn't a lawsuit. It's a crime. It's called a misdemeanor and is punishable by fine and or jail sentence, usually up to 6 months. And I don't decide the laws of the States, they do.

Children learn to be responsible by being held to account for their actions, not by being allowed to walk away with a little slap on the wrist. If you allow a 14 year to steal he will continue. It is not my ethical standards that are in question it's the standards a society wishes to require of its people. You either require they be honest or you allow them to do as they will when they will.

When you take another person's property without paying you are a thief and when you make excuses for them you are an enabler.

I'll go back to the oldest rule I'm aware of.

"Thou shalt not steal."
--Deuteronomy 5:19

[bbqit]

I never said what they did was right. I never said I thought they should not get punished. (don't bear false witness dude) I just said I thought the punishment fit the crime but you want to cut off their hand for stealing.

[bbqit]

Walmart Jay, I'm not going to back down. I really don't think $32.50 should get six months in jail to make you feel better. If nothing else it cost too much to keep them there much less the court cost paid for by those who actually pay taxes. Community service is better and if volunteered community service occurs even better. If ya want to give jail time when it comes to sports go to baseball. Steroids without prescription is illegal. It doesn't matter what baseball said about whether they were illegal or not. Go to bigger things when ya want jail.

[Jay1]

Walmart Jay, I'm not going to back down. I really don't think $32.50 should get six months in jail to make you feel better. If nothing else it cost too much to keep them there much less the court cost paid for by those who actually pay taxes. Community service is better and if volunteered community service occurs even better. If ya want to give jail time when it comes to sports go to baseball. Steroids without prescription is illegal. It doesn't matter what baseball said about whether they were illegal or not. Go to bigger things when ya want jail.

It doesn't matter what you want. When you steal you put yourself at the mercy of the law, and however good or bad, the thief will suffer the consequences of that crime. I don't get to decide the laws nor the consequences of the crime and neither do you. Only a fool will put himself at risk by stealing something of little value.

I saw a doctor's wife, who came in driving a $50,000 sports car, get arrested for a $15 item. She was handcuffed and led out of the building with everyone looking and watching. ONLY a fool risks this. Stealing isn't a lark it's a crime. And if you get caught you will wish the hell you had made a much better choice. Retail stores will prosecute you and that is a fact, and hotels will add the amount on to your credit card. You will pay new price for that old towel or pillow, it ain't free. ONLY fools will risk their reputation and freedom for such tiny amounts.

[NiKka]

hotels expect towels and linens to go missing if you didn't know

[azamugg]

Who told you your crap is more worthy than his? You say his posts are unworthy of being read and yet you very well do bother reading and answering. Look buddy quit ridiculing yourself, if You dont agree with Nikkas post, go ahead tell him about your opinion but keep in mind you are talking to one single young Ole Miss fan and not to all Ole Miss fans and community as a whole. So stop generalizing, if You have a problem with him throw your sh..t at him and dont throw the rest in the same pot as that wouldnt make you look any better and you already dont look very good. I actually expected some one in your age to know about simple stuff like that. Btw, an intelligent person doesnt judge based on nick names. There are loads of young people on this board and their nicks just fit to their young style and their state of mind. they just want to be unique and its not an Ole Miss fan syndrome at all.

Just look around yourself and you will see so many various crazy and meaningless nick names of bama fans (including the one of yourself). It doesnt indicate a sh..t. It doesnt say a sh.. t about the character behind it.

Regarding the subject, i think Jay said it well and there is nothing to add.



Im sorry Chinaski, my post was so far off base, thank you for setting me straight, now Ive gotta git right w/the Lord and I'll be back and be a better man.............Nikka please.....forgive me.........

[Chinaski]

hotels expect towels and linens to go missing if you didn't know

And? What kind of logics is that?

Do you think the whole thing would be much more acceptable and the one who steals your car wouldnt be called a thief just because you expected your car to be stolen anyway?

[Chinaski]

Im sorry Chinaski, my post was so far off base, thank you for setting me straight, now Ive gotta git right w/the Lord and I'll be back and be a better man.............Nikka please.....forgive me.........

Now dont turn polemic. I basically just asked you to stop generalizing and judging the whole Ole Miss fan community, based on the actions, thoughts, nick name or talks of "one single" Ole Miss fan. Is it really too much to ask for?

[azamugg]

Now dont turn polemic. I basically just asked you to stop generalizing and judging the whole Ole Miss fan community, based on the actions, thoughts, nick name or talks of "one single" Ole Miss fan. Is it really too much to ask for?

yep, I was being a smartypants but like you, I hate generalizing and I hate bickering, taunting on these boards and just bitching like a woman about other teams issues like we fans have anything to do with it and occasionally "go off" on select a$$wipes

so do forgive me for my slight


nice verbage as well but might polemical been more fitting?

[Chinaski]

whatever gets you through the day

[Jay1]

Now do we all kiss and make up now?

OK, but remember, I expect a meal first. I may be cheap but I ain't no fool. :laugh:

Everybody have a Happy Thanksgiving!!!

[bbqit]

No kiss. Yet enough is enough. I didn't steal the towel nor did I have it stolen from me so I really don't have a dog in this fight. Happy thanksgiving to ya too.

[NiKka]

I wish someone would steal my car