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Grady
11-12-2007, 03:55 AM
Coach Richt and his Georgia Bulldogs have a winning record over Auburn. Winners of but 3 ‘Tween The Hedges since my graduation 1977 – 30 years ago - The Bulldogs Reggie Balled Brandon Cox yet again for back-to-back performances totaling 8 interceptions. Now, we have Won 4 of 16 ‘Tween The Hedges since 1977 against Auburn. This knocked Auburn completely from the Top 25 Rankings.
Furthermore, Auburn who had the No. 8 NCAA Best Total Defense, now finds themselves No. 11 and instead of No. 5 Scoring Defense find themselves this morning No. 12. Georgia improved ourselves to No. 25 Total Defense and No. 32 Scoring Defense. This is because Matthew Stafford opened up the running game by throwing the ball complete deep downfield, and thereby stretching the Auburn defense, which Brandon Cox never did do – unable to throw the football 15 feet as he can’t as a senior 4th year player with Auburn now having The Number 102 Passing Offense in the Nation.
This opened up the Running Game and now Knowshon Moreno is in 2nd in The SEC in Rushing this season with 1,104 Rushing Yards, 4 in a row in which he has been our Starter all 4 over 100 yards.
Georgia’s Rushing Offense is now 38th, and our Scoring Offense 32nd best in the nation. We have achieved neither number in the 7 years of The Coach Richt Era.
Georgia moved up to No. 8 in the AP Poll, and No. 9 in the BCS Rankings, with a huge slew of teams ahead in the rankings who play each other and open up gargantuan opportunities for our Final Ranking.
Discussion currently hovers around Georgia in The Sugar Bowl for the 3rd Time in the Last 6 Years now against Texas for a BCS Bowl $17 million dollar payout. Of course, Georgia can slaughter Texas, whom we beat the last time in Dallas in 1984 when they were No. 1.
Among the more prominent Seniors for Coach Richt this season are Thomas Brown, Kregg Lumpkin, Sean Bailey, Mikey Henderson, Chester Adams, Fernando Velasco, Marcus Howard, Brandon Miller, Kelin Johnson, Thomas Flowers and Brandon Coutu. Kentucky is Senior Day, and while Coach Richt said he expects them to request Black Jerseys again, he is certain to allow them to use them in the Bowl Game and that they will be Bowl Game Gifts, no matter what.
Our 18 Seniors go out on Top.
UGA has now achieved what we did 25 years ago in beating both Auburn and Florida in the same season.
Georgia’s Wins over Alabama, Florida and Auburn stand out.
Kentucky is BCS Number 23 today, and they beat us last season.
I wish that they would quit trying to state that Knowshon Moreno reminds them of O.J. Simpson, when Knowshon Moreno does not remind me of anyone before him.
1 times in the previous 24 seasons, UGA ended up ranked in the Top Half a Dozen Teams in the country, and this season, we can once again return to 25 years ago status.
I heard it said that it is inflammatory to state that Alabama isn’t that good. Excuse me, they are not.
Inflammatory to state that Brandon Cox is worst QB in Auburn history and worst QB in the SEC of the relevant 8 teams, that as a 4th year senior 42 games under his belt, he sucks. Excuse me, he has thrown 8 interceptions to UGA alone when we faced him as a Junior and Senior Starter. And, we sacked him 3 more times.
Inflammatory to state that Florida is out of it when they lost to us and 4 Georgia Bulldogs’ Fans were found dead on the side of the road in Jacksonville this year.
Inflammatory to state that Florida State is not that good of a team, ditto California, and inflammatory to state that the vols’ loss by us is neither a bad loss for us nor allows the vols for the 1st time in 6 consecutive seasons to end up higher ranked than we are yet again.
Inflammatory to state that South Carolina’s Steve Spurrier (who has lost now 3 SEC East Games in a Row), would end the season with a bunch more losses than Georgia does. Excuse me ?
Inflammatory to state that the SEC West is not what The SEC East is. There is no comparison.
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I’ll be fun to have to post to in here as the season goes on Bama, vols, War Eagle fans, Florida crocodile fans, Kentucky, and Gamecock fans, said this Summer to me , it was said in this forum. No I won’t.
Matthew Stafford is ready to play in The SEC; you better watch out. Eat your heart out. This team loses little of our program for next year’s run, and Georgia will start out a lot higher than in the AP Poll today our Number 8.
Tider27
11-12-2007, 04:25 AM
Another quality by our most valuable member, Grady. :dry:
Before you attempt to respond to my post remember one thing: I don't care what you have to say.
zartan
11-12-2007, 05:23 AM
can we vote for tebow and tebow as the best qb and rb?
Crimson Kicker8
11-12-2007, 05:31 AM
I definitely vote Tebow as QB/RB over any other SEC team.
Crimson Kicker8
11-12-2007, 05:33 AM
You know, I think the Blackout thing was pretty cool, except for the bright red helmets not really making you "blacked out". Georgia should have went with a black helmet also with a red G and kept the silver britches. You guys would have looked like the Falcons but truly would have been blacked out.
Gator2753
11-12-2007, 07:03 AM
News flash, Satfford isnt even in the top 3 in the SEC as far as Qb's are concerned.
crusse10
11-12-2007, 07:12 AM
i think its funny that you still try to put us down after we semi-destroyed you.
35-14 is nice
51-33 is better! especially when 51-33 happens between the hedges, and the sound of vols fans barking pierces through the dead silent Sanford Stadium as thousands of pissed off puppies leave early.
oh, and cal at cal is better than okie state
BamaFanNKy
11-12-2007, 07:52 AM
I'd go with Woodson and Locke as the best combo. They beat the #1 team in the country with that combo. Plus their QB doesn't throw picks.
gatorunvrsty
11-12-2007, 08:33 AM
News flash, Satfford isnt even in the top 3 in the SEC as far as Qb's are concerned.
:laugh: This thread is hilarious. I can see it now... somebody hunched over their computer, racking their "brain?", trying to figure out what possible combination of players will make everyone agree their team is best. After considering using best single player, Grady is forced to go to combos.
QB - nope... Tebow, Woodson, and Ainge are all better than Stafford.:brick:
RB - nope... DMac and Jones are better than Moreno.:brick:
WR - nope... Harvin, Bennet, Caldwell, and Hall are all better than our best WR.:brick:
http://www.cugy.net/forums/images/smilies/idea.gif I know, what about:
QB/WR - Oh man, that Tebow kid plus any WR on their team is better than any combo we've got.:brick:
QB/RB - Hey, this might fly, as long as none of these wise guys pulls a Tebow/Tebow on me, and they forget about Woodson/Little.:brick:
Fact is, Little has been injured, so you can't fault that combo for that; and Woodson is so much better of a QB, that they'd win going away.:thumpsup:
DEHIII
11-12-2007, 08:46 AM
Does anyone else have the problem of their eyes glazing over and rolling into the back of their head about the 2nd paragraph of Grady post? Am I the only one? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
KillerNut
11-12-2007, 11:22 AM
Grady, you have no idea how to make a complete sentence do you?
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Slick Ric
11-12-2007, 11:52 AM
Grady, you have no idea how to make a complete sentence do you?
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Slick Rick says it appears to Slick Rick that all KillerNut does is gets on here and downgrades other posters. Slick Rick says maybe KillerNut should go to the Big10 board and leave SEC posters alone.
Gator2753
11-12-2007, 11:55 AM
Slick Rick says it appears to Slick Rick that all KillerNut does is gets on here and downgrades other posters. Slick Rick says maybe KillerNut should go to the Big10 board and leave SEC posters alone.
Your lucky I don't neg. rep you over that. Killer has been here for a while now and has contributed much to this site.
I think his stock here is certainly higher than your's and Gardy's:laugh:
Slick Ric
11-12-2007, 11:57 AM
Your lucky I don't neg. rep you over that. Killer has been here for a while now and has contributed much to this site.
I think his stock here is certainly higher than your's and Gardy's:laugh:
Slick Rick has just saw some of the post the KillerNut has made and he seems to downgrade other posters. Slick Rick says that he even called my Uncle Rocky a jackass. Slick Rick says that Uncle Rocky is a nice guy and so is Slick Rick.
MillDawg007
11-12-2007, 12:20 PM
Well the Tebow Tebow argument is justfiable. In regards to Gradys true question if i understood it right. Was who is the best QB/RB duo in the SEC. I would have to say Staff and Moreno. I know Stafford isnt up there with Woodson Ainge or Tebow numbers wise. But if you look at our Back hes deffinetely better than any of the three on UF, UT, OR UK. Stafford has been playing better and has had a pretty solid season. Id rank him 4th in the SEC in QB's and id rank Moreno 3rd or 2nd. IF that is in fact the true point of Gradys message thats my answer. GO DAWGS.
KillerNut
11-12-2007, 01:01 PM
Slick Rick says it appears to Slick Rick that all KillerNut does is gets on here and downgrades other posters. Slick Rick says maybe KillerNut should go to the Big10 board and leave SEC posters alone.
If I were a Tennessee fan, I would be embarrassed to have people like you cheering for my school. It is a travesty that you think you are cool for talking in third person. I don't give a damn who you are or how famous you are with the Vol nation. You are a POS and a eyesore to this site. Maybe you should read my other post before you go judging me. Its only a matter of time before you are banned anyways so enjoy it.
Your lucky I don't neg. rep you over that. Killer has been here for a while now and has contributed much to this site.
I think his stock here is certainly higher than your's and Gardy's:laugh:
Thanks 2753. This guy is a loser. :wacko:
Bulldog Bry
11-12-2007, 01:25 PM
Graaaaaaa-daaaaaayyyy!!!!
Come Out To Plaaaaaa-aaaayyy!!!!
azamugg
11-12-2007, 01:38 PM
the thread is kinda silly.............but the guys got a point, right now Stafford has come into his own.........the guy has an arm but fantastic touch combined w/strength like I havent seen in awhile.........and who can deny Moresheno isnt lights out, the second best rb in the conference right now and since the 6th game of the season probably the best rb in the conference
azamugg
11-12-2007, 03:59 PM
Your lucky I don't neg. rep you over that. Killer has been here for a while now and has contributed much to this site.
I think his stock here is certainly higher than your's and Gardy's:laugh:
THANK GOD you didnt pull the trigger gator2753, you had me sweating that one..............you've once again proved you're one of the more mature posters here
Gator2753
11-12-2007, 06:05 PM
THANK GOD you didnt pull the trigger gator2753, you had me sweating that one..............you've once again proved you're one of the more mature posters here
Well thanks. I wasn't going to but I figured it wouldn't matter much anyway since he was only hours away from being perma banned.
crimsonnation713
11-12-2007, 06:12 PM
*YAWN* Did I miss anything???
KillerNut
11-12-2007, 06:12 PM
Well thanks. I wasn't going to but I figured it wouldn't matter much anyway since he was only hours away from being perma banned.
The hell with that. I neg rep'd him and all of his multiple personalities into oblivion! :laugh:
Grady
11-13-2007, 04:50 AM
the guys got a point, right now Stafford has come into his own.........the guy has an arm but fantastic touch combined w/strength like I havent seen in awhile.........and who can deny Moresheno isnt lights out, the second best rb in the conference right now and since the 6th game of the season probably the best rb in the conference
Andre Woodson has thrown more interceptions than Matthew Stafford has for the season. As for Derrick Locke, he averages 44 yards rushing per game, which again, is not close to Number 8 Ranked Georgia Bulldogs’ Freshman Knowshon Moreno. Collectively, Woodson and Locke are Number 22. If they are better, take it up with the voters who do the Polls. We shall see just how much better your Woodson and Locke are than Stafford and Moreno, Saturday.
Florida has no tandem to throw defenses off, and thus teams spy on the one player. Auburn did in beating him, Georgia did in beating him, and LSU did in beating him – so far with 3 games left before the season is over Although many would argue Tim Tebow’s season was over in Jacksonville with your 3rd loss, leaving you ranked Number 14 compared to Georgia’s ranking for the 4th of 5 years in a row now higher than Florida at Number 8 for us.
Tennessee might have had a tandem higher ranked than Moreno and Stafford had you not lost to California, but you did. The voters hardly feel that Louisiana Lafayette, California, Southern Miss and Arkansas State – including the loss – is better for the vols than for Georgia’s Oklahoma State, Georgia Tech, Western Carolina, and Troy. Arkansas State is not even going to a bowl game, Southern Miss has not earned a bowl berth yet either, and Louisiana Lafayette is not going bowling either – therefore, the vols have 1 out of conference opponent who is not ranked whom you lost to who will go to a bowl while 3 of UGA’s out of conference opponents are going bowling all of whom we beat. This is the explanation of why Georgia is Number 8 and the vols Number 19. That and the fact that your tailback you touted in this forum all Summer long has been kicked off the team for drugs finally 2 weeks ago.
Yes, it is a combination of two players requested in the thread. These 3 combinations offered up on page 1 of this thread don’t measure up to the results on the items you bring up for us to discuss of Stafford and Moreno. Plus, we just brought Stafford and Moreno in in our Recruiting Class February 2006 – last year. We have a dynamic duo that you wish would go away and not be ranked Number 8. Excuse me, they are.
We started Knowshon Moreno 4 games ago for the 1st time, and he has 100 yards plus each game and is 2nd in the SEC in rushing on this day. So, don’t tell me about injuries – waaah, your player got injured. You must have a QB and TB to compete in a 13 or 14 game season in The SEC, who together get the job done. Stafford and Moreno are the 2nd highest ranked SEC team at Number 8, so their votes in the polls are certainly shaping up for this Dynamic Duo as well.
Grady
11-13-2007, 05:04 AM
And, to the vols poster who says this is all funny how I attempt to make my team look better than his because we have both a Tailback and a Quarterback who are clicking on all 8, and one opening up the other to the tune of 40 plus points 3 games in a row certain to be 4 Saturday : Excuse me ? Georgia has been higher ranked every single year for the last 6 now seasons in a row than the vols have, and especially are at No. 8 for us and No. 19 for the vols. Georgia's slotted to The BCS Sugar Bowl on this Day. Where are the vols going ? The CapitalOne Citrus ? I'm trying to calcuate a way for my team to be considered the better team this season for the 6th season in a row than the vols ?
Bulldog Bry
11-13-2007, 02:17 PM
And, to the vols poster who says this is all funny how I attempt to make my team look better than his because we have both a Tailback and a Quarterback who are clicking on all 8, and one opening up the other to the tune of 40 plus points 3 games in a row certain to be 4 Saturday : Excuse me ? Georgia has been higher ranked every single year for the last 6 now seasons in a row than the vols have, and especially are at No. 8 for us and No. 19 for the vols. Georgia's slotted to The BCS Sugar Bowl on this Day. Where are the vols going ? The CapitalOne Citrus ? I'm trying to calcuate a way for my team to be considered the better team this season for the 6th season in a row than the vols ?
That reminds me, is anyone here old enough to remember actually playing "Another One Bites The Dust" by Queen backwards on a record player? You had to do it by hand, but I swear it sounded like "Decide to smoke marijuana".
Anyhoo, Grady's post made me think of that.
crusse10
11-13-2007, 03:09 PM
And, to the vols poster who says this is all funny how I attempt to make my team look better than his because we have both a Tailback and a Quarterback who are clicking on all 8, and one opening up the other to the tune of 40 plus points 3 games in a row certain to be 4 Saturday : Excuse me ? Georgia has been higher ranked every single year for the last 6 now seasons in a row than the vols have, and especially are at No. 8 for us and No. 19 for the vols. Georgia's slotted to The BCS Sugar Bowl on this Day. Where are the vols going ? The CapitalOne Citrus ? I'm trying to calcuate a way for my team to be considered the better team this season for the 6th season in a row than the vols ?
all i gotta say is "head to head."
head to head.
head to head in knoxville - UT domination
head to head in athens - UT domination
true, we've lost one more game, a more competative away game on the west coast, but what matters when comparing 2 teams that are practically equal in the season (which would eliminate a cinderella beating a top ranked team) the head to head matchup is key. and home and away, the vols destroyed the pups.
crusse10
11-13-2007, 03:20 PM
and fyi, ainge has stafford beaten in yards, completions, attempts, and completion percentages. also, he has fewer INT's.
he also hasn't had a QB rating below 100, as stafford has. oh yeah, and he's only been sacked twice. slightly better than mr. stafford with, a ho-hum 12 sacks...
crusse10
11-13-2007, 03:27 PM
you'll have fun with this, too. when your georgia bulldogs lose, look at his stat lines:
Completions 19 (SC)........16 (TENN)
Attempts 44 (SC)............33 (TENN)
Yards 213 (SC)...............174 (TENN)
Percentage 43.2 (SC).......48.5 (TENN)
Touchdowns 0 (SC).........2 (TENN)
Interceptions 1 (SC)........1 (TENN)
QB Rating 79.30 (SC).......106.72 (TENN)
nice completion percenages
to me, it looks like when you lose, its because your qb sucked it up... ;)
In case you wanted to compare
Completions 32 (CAL).......26 (FLA)............22 (BAMA)
Attempts 47 (CAL)...........41 (FLA)............35 (BAMA)
Yards 271 (CAL).............249 (FLA)...........243 (BAMA)
Percentage 68.1 (CAL)....63.4 (FLA).........62.9 (BAMA)
Touchdowns 3 (CAL).........1 (FLA)............1 (BAMA)
Interceptions 0 (CAL)........1 (FLA)............1 (BAMA)
QB Rating 137.58 (CAL)....117.60 (FLA).....124.89 (BAMA)
SeanVol
11-13-2007, 05:59 PM
And, to the vols poster who says this is all funny how I attempt to make my team look better than his because we have both a Tailback and a Quarterback who are clicking on all 8, and one opening up the other to the tune of 40 plus points 3 games in a row certain to be 4 Saturday : Excuse me ? Georgia has been higher ranked every single year for the last 6 now seasons in a row than the vols have, and especially are at No. 8 for us and No. 19 for the vols. Georgia's slotted to The BCS Sugar Bowl on this Day. Where are the vols going ? The CapitalOne Citrus ? I'm trying to calcuate a way for my team to be considered the better team this season for the 6th season in a row than the vols ?
Grady, I gather from your post that you are a "My team is the premier team in the conference" type of fan!
SeanVol
11-13-2007, 06:00 PM
And, to the vols poster who says this is all funny how I attempt to make my team look better than his because we have both a Tailback and a Quarterback who are clicking on all 8, and one opening up the other to the tune of 40 plus points 3 games in a row certain to be 4 Saturday : Excuse me ? Georgia has been higher ranked every single year for the last 6 now seasons in a row than the vols have, and especially are at No. 8 for us and No. 19 for the vols. Georgia's slotted to The BCS Sugar Bowl on this Day. Where are the vols going ? The CapitalOne Citrus ? I'm trying to calcuate a way for my team to be considered the better team this season for the 6th season in a row than the vols ?
Grady, I gather from your post that you are a "My team is the premier team in the conference" type of fan!
GatorBait15
11-13-2007, 06:03 PM
[QUOTE=KillerNut;324703]If I were a Tennessee fan, I would be embarrassed to have people like you cheering for my school. It is a travesty that you think you are cool for talking in third person. I don't give a damn who you are or how famous you are with the Vol nation. You are a POS and a eyesore to this site. Maybe you should read my other post before you go judging me. Its only a matter of time before you are banned anyways so enjoy it.
i think i like you knut
Grady
11-14-2007, 05:34 AM
Multiple vols fans :
The thread is about Top SEC Quarterback and Top SEC Tailback COMBINATION in The SEC this season. It is in fact, a fact, that you vols fans totally attempt to ignore your drug addict tailback you each individually raved about all Summer long - kicked off the team 2 weeks ago by Phillip Fulmer. Good try vols fans. However, your response about a one-sided attack of having a QB but no TB is clear in your responses now, isn't it ? The QB and TB we recruited February 2006 Signing Date in fact are the best tandem The entire SEC has on one team. One opens up for the other. The QB, for more than a Season, was unable to state himself that he was ready for Our Schedule; but with the advent of the injuries to end the season of Kregg Lumpkin ACL and sideline Thomas Brown with a broken collar bone, we inserted 4 games ago Knowshon Moreno who now stands at 2nd in The SEC in Rushing. Matthew Stafford most assuredly is now ready to play Our Schedule. Even with their young needing experience status there is no doubt they are the best QB and TB on the same team in The SEC already. Matthew Stafford and Knowshon Moreno are both All-America Players whom both will be Drafted in the 1st Round of the NFL. And, no team has a QB and TB as good as these 2 youngsters who have come into their own already - a year and a half after we Signed Them both from out of state. Moreno from NJ and Stafford from Texas. Both are consensus Top 10 at their position nationally coming to us. They play together, feeding one another off each other, making both better.
After I wrote this thread on this topic, then now today Mark Bradley AJ-C has read the thread and likewise agrees. Other than junk about how a team ranked No. 19 is better than a team ranked No. 8 without a Tailback of the caliber of Knowshon Moreno (or, Thomas Brown for that matter), you offer up an opinion not shared by the media :
Imagine the pressure that would fall on LSU, being ranked No. 1 but again having to play Georgia in a building named the Georgia Dome. Imagine the glee with which Mark Richt, who’s having the happiest season of his life, would embrace being the underdog but having a decided fan advantage in what’s supposed to be a neutral site. Imagine the enthusiasm his Bulldogs, who scored an aggregate 87 points against Auburn and Florida, would bring to such an appointment.
LSU manifestly isn’t unbeatable. It lost to Kentucky. (Georgia will not lose to Kentucky on Saturday.) The road to ruin is paved with comparative scores, but these are irresistible: The Tigers beat Florida and Auburn in Baton Rouge by a total of 10 points; Georgia beat the same teams, with only one of the games being staged in Athens, by 37 points.
The Tigers have had the nation’s best collection of talent for three seasons now, and they didn’t win a national championship or even an SEC title in 2005 or 2006. There’s massive weight on Les Miles to do as Nick Saban did, and there are moments when Miles makes you wonder if he knows what he’s doing. Like last season at Auburn, when his team didn’t throw the ball in the end zone on its final possession. Like this year against Auburn, when LSU allowed the clock to tick down to 0:01 before posting the winning points. (Don’t tell me Les planned it that way with a chronometer; he seemed as stunned as everyone else in the aftermath.)
If Georgia lacks a Glenn Dorsey, LSU lacks a Knowshon Moreno and a Matthew Stafford. The two Bulldogs are on the fast track to national celebrity, and their partnership could be the school’s most distinguished since Frank Sinkwich and Charley Trippi. Eric Zeier and Garrison Hearst amassed huge numbers, but their teams never won even a division title. Herschel Walker needed Buck Belue to complete the occasional pass — in the Sugar Bowl against Notre Dame, he completed exactly one pass — but their burden wasn’t equally apportioned.
Moreno and Stafford are forging a beautiful symbiosis. Stafford is throwing less to greater effect. Moreno is finding holes because defenses can’t jam the line for fear Stafford will throw long. That the Bulldogs beat Florida and Auburn for the first time in the same season since 1982 was startling; that their raging offense manhandled two ferocious defenses was astonishing. (Only in 1942, the Sinkwich/Trippi championship season, had Georgia scored more than 87 points in those two games, beating Florida 75-0 but losing to Auburn 27-13.)
If you’re LSU and you’re fully expected to win the national championship, would you want to play the hottest team in the country 75 miles from its campus? If you’re LSU, wouldn’t you be rooting hard for Tennessee to beat Vanderbilt and Kentucky and spare you that assignment?
No self-respecting Georgia fan should be pulling for the Vols. If the Bulldogs reach the SEC title game, they won’t embarrass themselves. Heck, they might even leave with a third SEC championship in six seasons, and wouldn’t that be something given the way this all began?
What was it Steve Spurrier said after South Carolina beat Georgia nine weeks ago? “It wasn’t like they were some big, powerful team.” Maybe the Bulldogs weren’t then, but they are now. They don’t need to duck LSU. LSU might need to duck them.
Mark Bradley: Bulldogs need not fear LSU in title game | Sports Columnists | ajc.com (http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/sportscolumns/entries/2007/11/12/bulldogs_need_n.html)
The vols losses to Alabama 17-41 whom we whooped 26-23 for a 27-point better head-to-head comparison here make the media agree with me and not the vols' posters to this thread (who don't say they have a Knowshon Moreno themselves please note), losses to Florida 20-59 whom we whooped 42-30 for a 51-point better head-to-head comparison here makes the voters put UGA No. 9 BCS and the vols No. 20 BCS taking into account our 3 TD loss to the vols, and losses to unranked California 31-45 all 3 point out that the vols lack a tailback such as Knowshon Moreno. How then those 3 losses all by blowouts of 2 of the teams we slaughtered by comparison, makes No. 20 BCS vols better than No. 9 BCS Georgia, is so much smoke. Coach Richt has never lost a non-conference regular season game, and our non-conference schedule includes 3 teams going to bowl games this season, while the vols played 1 who is bowling this season, and you LOST.
The media agrees with the point of this thread that there is no combination of tailback and running back such as UGA has had emerge now the middle of this season, forward.
Good luck trying to make your tailback look like he is a Knowshon Moreno.
zartan
11-14-2007, 06:05 AM
moreno had 13 carries for 30 yards rushing against the vols. his longest rush of the day was 5 yards.
arian foster (98 yards, 3 td's) and hardesty (68 yards, 1 td) both outplayed him.
kind of makes your argument look silly, doesn't it?
BAMAPERRY
11-14-2007, 06:37 AM
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Bulldog Bry
11-14-2007, 10:14 AM
moreno had 13 carries for 30 yards rushing against the vols. his longest rush of the day was 5 yards.
arian foster (98 yards, 3 td's) and hardesty (68 yards, 1 td) both outplayed him.
kind of makes your argument look silly, doesn't it?
He doesn't NEED facts to make him look silly!!!!:laugh:
gatorunvrsty
11-14-2007, 10:21 AM
Slick Rick says it appears to Slick Rick that all KillerNut does is gets on here and downgrades other posters. Slick Rick says maybe KillerNut should go to the Big10 board and leave SEC posters alone.
Uuuummmm,
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That is all.
crusse10
11-14-2007, 10:25 AM
ya see, grady, my point is that your team lives and dies by the arm of stafford. if he sucks, the team BLOWS. easy as that. the tandem and others schools is better because its an even balance. the rushing attack holds its own in knoxville, but it also knows it can rely on the passing game if necessary, because ainge will always step up. what i'm saying is that as a tandem, stafford doesn't show the consistency of keeping the team winning. he has had 2 very poor games, and it cost the team in a major way. in order for it to be a great tandem, they have to both hold their own all the time, and he has shown he can't do that. stafford relies the rest of the team. if they show up, he'll do alright. if they can't play that day, he is comletely screwed. 100%.
point being, they are both good, don't get me wrong. but they are not the best in the sec, because only one shows consistency.
for my money, i'd put it on the healthy backfield of LSU, Tennessee, or Florida over Georgia.
crusse10
11-14-2007, 10:28 AM
i can't believe, in all your "wisdom" that a 3 point win, 26-23 is a "Blowout". are you kidding me?
crusse10
11-14-2007, 10:31 AM
oh, and since you didn't say anything at all about the fact that you lost HORRIBLY both between the hedges and away, that you're conceeding us being better when playing against each other. also, it probably shouldn't be noted, to keep you feeling better, that over the past 4 years, the vols have won 3 games. yes, that means 2 AT georgia, as well as one home. ain't THAT a bitch.
azamugg
11-14-2007, 10:50 AM
That reminds me, is anyone here old enough to remember actually playing "Another One Bites The Dust" by Queen backwards on a record player? You had to do it by hand, but I swear it sounded like "Decide to smoke marijuana".
Anyhoo, Grady's post made me think of that.
well Im an album generation kid and yep I had that Queen record and yep we played it as well as some ELO, and Led backwards.............Another one bites the dust played backwards, to me, sounded like "its fun to smoke marijuana" and in fact sounded like it couldnt be a coincidence but I think it was
bigsexxxy
11-14-2007, 11:11 AM
All I want to know is who said it would be fun to have Grady around?
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc12/g8r8u2/cricket.gif?t=1195071363
Yeah, thats what I thought.
SeanVol
11-14-2007, 02:20 PM
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l143/BAMAPERRY/gradyinsane.jpg?t=1195043837
"You'll be fun to have around here all season" I was told this Summer in here
I'm starting to see your point, BP!
Volnooga
11-14-2007, 02:41 PM
I would have to say Staff and Moreno. I know Stafford isnt up there with Woodson Ainge or Tebow numbers wise. But if you look at our Back hes deffinetely better than any of the three on UF, UT, OR UK.
While I agree that as a freshman Moreno look great, but the math doesn't add up.
Moreno: 5.5 YPC
Foster: 5.5 YPC
Moreno: 11 TD
Foster: 12 TD
Moreno does average more yards a game, but he is getting a hell of a lot more touches due to the QB not playing as well. I'm sorry, but looking at the numbers, I'm taking Ainge/Foster over Stafford/Moreno.
azamugg
11-14-2007, 04:12 PM
While I agree that as a freshman Moreno look great, but the math doesn't add up.
Moreno: 5.5 YPC
Foster: 5.5 YPC
Moreno: 11 TD
Foster: 12 TD
Moreno does average more yards a game, but he is getting a hell of a lot more touches due to the QB not playing as well. I'm sorry, but looking at the numbers, I'm taking Ainge/Foster over Stafford/Moreno.
listen Voldeliciouscaramelnuget, take your daggum homer glasses off fer a sec........because I just lost all the respect and admiration I used to have for you
first compare carries as a ratio to touchdowns
secondly have you watched Stafford play the last four games?
crusse10
11-14-2007, 04:51 PM
the only reason ainge doesn't have those numbers lately is because he hasn't needed to. there was no reason for ainge to throw like crazy when we dismantled the hogs. we ran all over them, which gave ainge a break
Grady
11-15-2007, 02:23 AM
"over the past 4 years, the vols have won 3 games. yes, that means 2 AT georgia, as well as one home. ain't THAT a bitch."
6 Years in a Row Consecutive now The AP Poll has Coach Richt's UGA higher ranked than Phillip Fulmer's vols, with Coach Richt also having a winning record over Fulmer.
Grady
11-15-2007, 03:09 AM
All I want to know is who said it would be fun to have Grady around?
Yeah, thats what I thought.
Well, you state that it was not said.
by WallyGoat, Bama Fan like yourself said it to me :
"I hope you stick around for the season"
How about it ? On 8-19-2007 at 2:14 p.m. Georgia had not beat Alabama by 3 whom the vols lost to by 24, a 27 point head-to-head advantage for UGA compared to the vols against Bama. On 8-19-2007 at 2:14 p.m. Georgia had not beat Florida by 12 whom the vols lost to by 39, a 51 point head-to-head advantage for UGA compared to the vols against Florida. On 8-19-2007, UGA was not Number 9 BCS and the vols Number 20 BCS Rankings, despite their win over UGA because the other 2 head-to-head comparisons - along with our Slaughter of Auburn last week - leave all media completely in agreement with Mark Richt yesterday that UGA has a far better combination of Quarterback and Tailback than any team in The SEC, the vols especially. Our 3 out-of-conference Bowl Eligible Opponents to the vols 1 out-of-conference Bowl Eligible Opponent whom the vols LOST to while UGA won all our out-of-conference games this regular season as Coach Richt has done every single season here, leaves everyone clear in their mind that UGA is the better team compared to the vols because we have the Best Tailback (2nd Best in the SEC) and Best Quarterback Combination in The SEC.
To begin the year, every single poster in this thread who is a vols fan, stated that Sophomore LaMarcus Coker was the Best Tailback in The entire SEC, and I replied - as you know I know you recall - that we should not hold up such a drug addict as a hero. 2 weeks ago, Phillip Fulmer finally kicked him off the vols, and now you same vols posters come in this thread today and ignore LaMarcus Coker and instead hold up yet now Junior Arian Foster as your Best Tailback who is better than Knowshon Moreno.
Arian Foster has played in 32 games for the vols. He has 22 TDs rushing and 1 receiving and 2,084 yards rushing in 32 games, but was not considered and is not better than LaMarcus Coker - your latest drug addict running back Fulmer has brought in for the vols. He is not All-SEC, let alone All America. He never will be. He is not going to be drafted by the NFL at all, let alone in the 1st Round as an All America as Knowshon Moreno, also SEC Freshman of the Year and 2nd Team All-SEC as a Freshman this season.
Knowshon Moreno is an inspiration to his teammates since being made our Starter, not because we had 2 drug addict tailbacks ahead of him because they both are Seniors this year and he a freshman, but because they both have been injured for the last 4 consecutive games he has started. He has 1 fumble all season, and has recovered a fumble. Moreno is No. 24 in the nation in rushing as a Freshman, not No. 44 as a Junior which is what Arian Foster is. Moreno has played in 10 games, all of them until the last 4 as a backup and has 1,104 yards rushing and 11 TDs with only 4 Starts in The SEC and been recognized by The SEC 4 Times this Season Already as the Freshman Player of the Week in The entire SEC.
Moreno was not the Starter against the vols. He has Started Every Game since.
Arian Foster, could not even make this football team. Nor, was he considered even better - according to all you vols fans all season long in this forum - than your latest drug addict hero tailback for the vols in a long string of drug addict tailbacks for the vols LaMarcus Coker. Arian Foster is not better than Kregg Lumpkin either, nor Thomas Brown as well. And, if the other poster who lambasted you for losing your credibility saying Arian Foster is a better tailback than Knowshon Moreno didn't get through to you, I most assuredly have vols fans.
As for the Bama fans who thought I would be so fun to have around all season long this season, no I won't, as you are the same posters who stated before you lost to us that you would beat us, and since have nothing but PERSONAL ATTACKS about insanity for daring to remind you.
Just as the Personal Attacks by Auburn War Eagle posters about insanity prior to our 28 unanswered point 4 TD win over Auburn Saturday night.
And, just as the Personal Attacks by Gator (crocodile fans) about how it feels to lose to Florida in JAX every year, only to find that now UGA has Won 2 of the last 4 of those too, and that that is insanity to discuss that UGA has been the Higher Ranked Team 4 of these 5 Years now than Florida, who has no tailback at all just one guy whom teams spy on at both QB and TB, which is not the same. Just as it is to you vols fans posting about insanity to state that Knowshon Moreno and Matthew Stafford are far better together as a Tandem, which now Mark Bradley AJ-C agrees with yesterday, than the vols tandem of fill-in-the-blank and Ainge when the vols too have been ranked worse in the AP Poll than UGA 6 Consecutive Years in a Row now.
No. I won’t. You will each, collectively, have it shoved down your throats. Have fun eating crow.
Grady
11-15-2007, 04:25 AM
What this forum really needs, instead, is SEC Talk Staff to Openly in This Forum, each time, reply that it is a Personal Attack when a poster states that another is Insane because he believes as all the Polls do, and as the Media including Mark Bradley AJ-C yesterday agrees as well, that UGA is better than the vols, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Bama, and Auburn because we have Started for the last 4 games The Top SEC Tandem of Knowshon Moreno TB and Matthew Stafford QB.
I think it is fine to disagree with that.
I don't think it is right that SEC Talk Staff does not Openly in direct reply each time, saying it is a Personal Attack started by the poster who many times is SEC Talk Staff themselves who start it about how insane it is - when it clearly isn't - that every SEC Program wished instead that they had Matthew Stafford at QB and Knowshon Moreno at Tailback instead of their own.
crusse10
11-15-2007, 08:24 AM
get it through your skull, please. i'm not caring at ALL about final rankings. i understand that they finished higher. i'm not arguing that. from the looks of it, that's all you've got. give me a different reason for why georgia has been better over the past 4 years than the vols. as far as i can see, the vols are 3-1 vs georgia, 2 of which were road wins, one of which was 51-33. the home win was almost as embarassing.
give me a reason, other than final rankings, over the past 4 years, that proves that the 3-1 record over that time is not the most important thing to look at, and maybe i'll respect you. every time i say something, you come back with that argument. do you not think i understand that. i'm trying to tell you that doesn't really matter. honestly. nobody gives a shit. come up with some other info, PLEASE.
aufan
11-15-2007, 08:28 AM
Does anyone else have the problem of their eyes glazing over and rolling into the back of their head about the 2nd paragraph of Grady post? Am I the only one? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
kind of what I was thinking-----does anyone here really read the WHOLE thing that grady writes?
aufan
11-15-2007, 08:31 AM
- - that every SEC Program wished instead that they had Matthew Stafford at QB and Knowshon Moreno at Tailback instead of their own.
I highly doubt that----they are good---but i dont think the other coaches sit and think " Man I wish we had them instead of who we got"
Sabanocchio
11-15-2007, 08:36 AM
Does anyone else have the problem of their eyes glazing over and rolling into the back of their head about the 2nd paragraph of Grady post? Am I the only one? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
That happens to me when I read the thread title.
crusse10
11-15-2007, 08:36 AM
the kid has started 4 games. give me a damn break. i admit he's good. you've heard that.
i never said that coker was the best. ever. no way in hell. unless i was just joking. darren mcfadden is the best running back in the sec. bar none. absolutely 100% no doubt about it.
the point is, you're focusing your tandem on the running back, and saying that the qb can sorta hold his own.
what i focus on is the qb. the most important position on the offense. the person that the offense depends on is the qb. i think that the weight that erik ainge holds in the vols backfield, as well as arian foster doing what he's been doing all season, makes our backfield better. i trust a senior and a redshirt junior more than a sophomore and a redshirt freshman in the dogs backfield.
i think that stafford cannot hold up his end of the deal in that backfield, and that's why i put ours before yours.
crusse10
11-15-2007, 08:41 AM
6 Years in a Row Consecutive now The AP Poll has Coach Richt's UGA higher ranked than Phillip Fulmer's vols, with Coach Richt also having a winning record over Fulmer.
you know the sec is a "what have you done for me lately" conference. so coach richt, what have you done for me lately? that's right...you've lost 3 of 4 to the vols, and 2 straight.
i think its funny that you have to go back 6 years to get to a winning record.
funny thing is, i can go back 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, and 4 years.
Sabanocchio
11-15-2007, 08:42 AM
Besides, when did Grady go from wanting Stafford benched to having a "man-crush" on him?
Coker was expendable. We lost a troubled player in perhaps the deepest position on the team. All true freshman Lennon Creer did was go on to rush for over a hundred yards the week after Coker was released.
I wouldn't trade Erik Ainge or Jon Crompton for Stafford and Moreno. Keep your overrated players and your overrated team. You'll need them next year when we come to Athens to make it 3 in a row in your house.
ADrolltide
11-15-2007, 08:45 AM
Coach Richt and his Georgia Bulldogs have a winning record over Auburn. Winners of but 3 ‘Tween The Hedges since my graduation 1977 – 30 years ago - The Bulldogs Reggie Balled Brandon Cox yet again for back-to-back performances totaling 8 interceptions. Now, we have Won 4 of 16 ‘Tween The Hedges since 1977 against Auburn. This knocked Auburn completely from the Top 25 Rankings.
Furthermore, Auburn who had the No. 8 NCAA Best Total Defense, now finds themselves No. 11 and instead of No. 5 Scoring Defense find themselves this morning No. 12. Georgia improved ourselves to No. 25 Total Defense and No. 32 Scoring Defense. This is because Matthew Stafford opened up the running game by throwing the ball complete deep downfield, and thereby stretching the Auburn defense, which Brandon Cox never did do – unable to throw the football 15 feet as he can’t as a senior 4th year player with Auburn now having The Number 102 Passing Offense in the Nation.
This opened up the Running Game and now Knowshon Moreno is in 2nd in The SEC in Rushing this season with 1,104 Rushing Yards, 4 in a row in which he has been our Starter all 4 over 100 yards.
Georgia’s Rushing Offense is now 38th, and our Scoring Offense 32nd best in the nation. We have achieved neither number in the 7 years of The Coach Richt Era.
Georgia moved up to No. 8 in the AP Poll, and No. 9 in the BCS Rankings, with a huge slew of teams ahead in the rankings who play each other and open up gargantuan opportunities for our Final Ranking.
Discussion currently hovers around Georgia in The Sugar Bowl for the 3rd Time in the Last 6 Years now against Texas for a BCS Bowl $17 million dollar payout. Of course, Georgia can slaughter Texas, whom we beat the last time in Dallas in 1984 when they were No. 1.
Among the more prominent Seniors for Coach Richt this season are Thomas Brown, Kregg Lumpkin, Sean Bailey, Mikey Henderson, Chester Adams, Fernando Velasco, Marcus Howard, Brandon Miller, Kelin Johnson, Thomas Flowers and Brandon Coutu. Kentucky is Senior Day, and while Coach Richt said he expects them to request Black Jerseys again, he is certain to allow them to use them in the Bowl Game and that they will be Bowl Game Gifts, no matter what.
Our 18 Seniors go out on Top.
UGA has now achieved what we did 25 years ago in beating both Auburn and Florida in the same season.
Georgia’s Wins over Alabama, Florida and Auburn stand out.
Kentucky is BCS Number 23 today, and they beat us last season.
I wish that they would quit trying to state that Knowshon Moreno reminds them of O.J. Simpson, when Knowshon Moreno does not remind me of anyone before him.
1 times in the previous 24 seasons, UGA ended up ranked in the Top Half a Dozen Teams in the country, and this season, we can once again return to 25 years ago status.
I heard it said that it is inflammatory to state that Alabama isn’t that good. Excuse me, they are not.
Inflammatory to state that Brandon Cox is worst QB in Auburn history and worst QB in the SEC of the relevant 8 teams, that as a 4th year senior 42 games under his belt, he sucks. Excuse me, he has thrown 8 interceptions to UGA alone when we faced him as a Junior and Senior Starter. And, we sacked him 3 more times.
Inflammatory to state that Florida is out of it when they lost to us and 4 Georgia Bulldogs’ Fans were found dead on the side of the road in Jacksonville this year.
Inflammatory to state that Florida State is not that good of a team, ditto California, and inflammatory to state that the vols’ loss by us is neither a bad loss for us nor allows the vols for the 1st time in 6 consecutive seasons to end up higher ranked than we are yet again.
Inflammatory to state that South Carolina’s Steve Spurrier (who has lost now 3 SEC East Games in a Row), would end the season with a bunch more losses than Georgia does. Excuse me ?
Inflammatory to state that the SEC West is not what The SEC East is. There is no comparison.
http://images.dawgsports.com/images/admin/2007_blackout_45_20_T_shirt.jpg
I’ll be fun to have to post to in here as the season goes on Bama, vols, War Eagle fans, Florida crocodile fans, Kentucky, and Gamecock fans, said this Summer to me , it was said in this forum. No I won’t.
Matthew Stafford is ready to play in The SEC; you better watch out. Eat your heart out. This team loses little of our program for next year’s run, and Georgia will start out a lot higher than in the AP Poll today our Number 8.
I really like Stafford...He's gonna be great...Mareno is good also
ADrolltide
11-15-2007, 08:48 AM
I highly doubt that----they are good---but i dont think the other coaches sit and think " Man I wish we had them instead of who we got"
I don't think any coach thinks that...That's more of a fan's way of thinking
gatorunvrsty
11-15-2007, 08:57 AM
What this forum really needs, instead, is SEC Talk Staff to Openly in This Forum, each time, reply that it is a Personal Attack when a poster states that another is Insane because he believes as all the Polls do, and as the Media including Mark Bradley AJ-C yesterday agrees as well, that UGA is better than the vols, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Bama, and Auburn because we have Started for the last 4 games The Top SEC Tandem of Knowshon Moreno TB and Matthew Stafford QB.
I think it is fine to disagree with that.
I don't think it is right that SEC Talk Staff does not Openly in direct reply each time, saying it is a Personal Attack started by the poster who many times is SEC Talk Staff themselves who start it about how insane it is - when it clearly isn't - that every SEC Program wished instead that they had Matthew Stafford at QB and Knowshon Moreno at Tailback instead of their own.
Much like this babbling rant, saying that something is insane, is AN OPINION. Just the fact that you claim that something CLEARLY isn't insane, after 99% of the board disagrees, bears this out. In fact, slander and defamation of character are only offenses if the claims AREN'T TRUE, or aren't said in jest. Therefore it's less an attack than free, and often humorous, speech. There's a difference between calling someone's posts idiotic, and calling the person an idiot. Please don't blur the distinction.
This thread asked for people's opinion about combos; so, while some fans may not like their QB, and would prefer Stafford, others (like UF fans, UT fans, and UK fans) wouldn't trade their QB for Stafford and any RB. Some fans don't like their RB, and would prefer Moreno, but not all would; and even fewer would if it meant they had to take Stafford with him (because they like their own QB better). UF wouldn't trade Tebow for Stafford AND Moreno. They wouldn't fit in our offense. We'd rather keep Tebow, and all-purpose back/WR, Percy Harvin.
The reason you get so bent out of shape is because you spend time on a UGA board where everyone's opinion is almost always the same about how great your team is. You guys get worked up into a lather, and slobber and gush all over each other about how dominant you are; and then expect to wade into a forum with 11 other teams' fans, and have them agree with your unrealistic, exaggerated, and overblown sense of your own team. You bring in posts from that forum that are creative and selective, to make UGA shine in the brightest light; but in here, they'll get picked apart, because we'll point out all the things UGA fans will leave out that aren't complimentary.
If you can't handle objectivity, and differing opinions, stay in the tunnel that is a team-specific forum.
EDIT: P.S. - It doesn't help when all the copy and paste articles you post look like they were written by a 3rd grader. That definitely takes away from the credibility.
volfan86
11-15-2007, 12:13 PM
grady you are truly an idiot foster/ainge duo is a much better duo than those two morons you got in your backfield thank ya for your useless info though GO VOLS!!!!!!!!
Grady
11-16-2007, 04:26 AM
get it through your skull, please. i'm not caring at ALL about final rankings.
i understand that they finished higher.
i'm not arguing that. from the looks of it, that's all you've got.
give me a different reason for why georgia has been better over the past 4 years than the vols.
as far as i can see, the vols are 3-1 vs georgia, 2 of which were road wins, one of which was 51-33. the home win was almost as embarassing.
give me a reason, other than final rankings, over the past 4 years, that proves that the 3-1 record over that time is not the most important thing to look at, and maybe i'll respect you. every time i say something, you come back with that argument. do you not think i understand that. i'm trying to tell you that doesn't really matter. honestly. nobody gives a shit. come up with some other info, PLEASE.
What else is there for determining who is the better football program, over the last 6 years in a Row Now, pray tell ?
There is little reason to believe that the vols will win their bowl game this year, since the vols have the most bowl losses of any football program.
You sit there, smoking whatever it is you smoke, and see everyone in America have far more respect once again this season for UGA than the vols, and go waaah...
You have no margin for error to be ranked this season in the Top 25 for the season, when the season is over - since you are Number 20 in the Polls now.
Georgia, at Number 9, clearly will be for the 6th Consecutive Football Season, the BETTER HIGHER RANKED MORE RESPECTED football team, who had the BETTER SEASON.
Are you trying to argue that Kentucky is having a better year than LSU ?
[b] Yeah, that is all you are trying to do, grasping at straws for why every single solitary year for six (6) seasons in a row now that UGA is higher ranked than the vols.
As a matter of fact, if you do lose a game coming up before the season is over, you will not be ranked for the 3rd of the 6 years.
Are you arguing that South Carolina is having a better year than Georgia ?
Yeah, that is what you are arguing too.
I know that you are not that stupid to think that I think you think that the vols are doing better than us this season, or any of the 6 seasons in a row now.
Or, why would you guys all be talking about firing Phillip Fulmer ?
Duh...
You think you can sit there and talk, and you have all thread long, about how you played one unranked bowl eligible team, not say that you lost to them; and that I cannot reply we played 3 bowl eligible teams and haven't lost a non-conference regular season game in Coach Richt's entire career.
You think you can tell me head-to-head, and discuss Kentucky and South Carolina, and NOT discuss how far better we than you against Alabama and Florida.
100 points better head-to-head against those opponents of us both.
Are you 8 years old ?
Have a 3rd grade education ?
Smoking what ?
Where does such a lack of logic, as you present, come from pray tell ?
What else is there besides where you are ranked, or in the vols’ case – not ranked, to determine who in fact had the better season please ?
Grady
11-16-2007, 04:36 AM
I highly doubt that
i dont think they sit and think " Man I wish we had them instead of who we got"
That's like the vols fans saying to Georgia that Georgia lives and dies on the arm of Matthew Stafford, when Georgia also has the 2nd Top SEC Running Back in the entire SEC with Knowshon Moreno, who has only started every game after the vols' game.
Do you Auburn fans really expect me to believe that you do not wish that you had Matthew Stafford and Knowshon Moreno, instead of your nobodies, who just slaughtered your nobodies by 25 points ?
This is where I say, Duh...
Grady
11-16-2007, 04:42 AM
you know the sec is a "what have you done for me lately" conference. so coach richt, what have you done for me lately? that's right...you've lost 3 of 4 to the vols, and 2 straight.
i think its funny that you have to go back 6 years to get to a winning record.
funny thing is, i can go back 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, and 4 years.
What has Phillip Fulmer done lately ?
Every single year, 6 years consecutively in a row, he has ended up the worse football program compared to Georgia.
Not 1 year, not only go back to 6 years ago - but, every stinking vols' year for the last 6 in a row, Georgia has ended up the higher ranked team than the vols in the AP Poll.
Grady
11-16-2007, 04:49 AM
Coker was expendable.
We lost a troubled player in perhaps the deepest position on the team.
I wouldn't trade Erik Ainge or Jon Crompton for Stafford and Moreno.
Keep your overrated players and your overrated team.
This, what the vols' fans are left with grasping for straws that Georgia is overrated and the vols underrated 6 consecutive years in a row and counting.
Coker was your best running back.
Coker is yet another in a long line of Fulmer drug attict running backs.
The vols fans in this forum, had thread after thread about how Coker was the best running back in The SEC.
Now, expendable.
And, waaah, UGA is overrated and the poor vols underrated, nevermind that you lost to Alabama and Florida, who Georgia had 100 more points than you did against.
Grady
11-16-2007, 04:58 AM
There's a difference between calling someone's posts idiotic, and calling the person an idiot.
The reason you get so bent out of shape is because you spend time on a UGA board where everyone's opinion is almost always the same about how great your team is. You guys get worked up into a lather, and slobber and gush all over each other about how dominant you are; and then expect to wade into a forum with 11 other teams' fans, and have them agree with your unrealistic, exaggerated, and overblown sense of your own team. You bring in posts from that forum that are creative and selective, to make UGA shine in the brightest light; but in here, they'll get picked apart, because we'll point out all the things UGA fans will leave out that aren't complimentary.
If you can't handle objectivity, and differing opinions, stay in the tunnel that is a team-specific forum.
EDIT: P.S. - It doesn't help when all the copy and paste articles you post look like they were written by a 3rd grader. That definitely takes away from the credibility.
Your lies that I cut and paste what I write in this SEC Talk Forum since we signed our Recruiting Class this season, from some other forum - [b] requires you now to present these "facts" which are lies.
The reason why Florida is doing so much far worse than Georgia this season, is specifically because a team cannot survive with just one guy deep who is both the passer and the runner, not in a 13 or 14-game SEC season.
This post of yours is idiotic, unless of course you can prove your claims here that I cut and paste here what I find on some UGA forum somewhere.
zartan
11-16-2007, 05:47 AM
Your lies that I cut and paste what I write in this SEC Talk Forum since we signed our Recruiting Class this season, from some other forum - [b] requires you now to present these "facts" which are lies.
The reason why Florida is doing so much far worse than Georgia this season, is specifically because a team cannot survive with just one guy deep who is both the passer and the runner, not in a 13 or 14-game SEC season.
This post of yours is idiotic, unless of course you can prove your claims here that I cut and paste here what I find on some UGA forum somewhere.
everyone knows that florida has lost 3 times because they are rebuilding their defense. they have held their opponents under 20 points just once. lack of depth on offense is certainly not the problem.
crimsonnation713
11-16-2007, 09:00 PM
Why....WHY I ask you do I keep doing this to myself? Only thing I guess it could be is S&M .
aufan
11-16-2007, 09:09 PM
That's like the vols fans saying to Georgia that Georgia lives and dies on the arm of Matthew Stafford, when Georgia also has the 2nd Top SEC Running Back in the entire SEC with Knowshon Moreno, who has only started every game after the vols' game.
Do you Auburn fans really expect me to believe that you do not wish that you had Matthew Stafford and Knowshon Moreno, instead of your nobodies, who just slaughtered your nobodies by 25 points ?
This is where I say, Duh...
No i personally do not wish we had them---you can keep them--granted you guys played a great game but please get over it---u should be undefeated the way u talk----u need to get over yourself and please, if anything, just SHORTEN your posts
crusse10
11-16-2007, 09:33 PM
What has Phillip Fulmer done lately ?
Every single year, 6 years consecutively in a row, he has ended up the worse football program compared to Georgia.
Not 1 year, not only go back to 6 years ago - but, every stinking vols' year for the last 6 in a row, Georgia has ended up the higher ranked team than the vols in the AP Poll.
the one thing iasked you to do, the ONE thing was to give me a reason other than final poll results, and you can't do that.
you officially have lost this argument, as you only have 1 argument that isn't effective.
crusse10
11-16-2007, 09:37 PM
just answer 1 question for me.
just 1.
who won between georgia and tennessee this year?
that team, no matter what the hell else you have to say, is the better team this season of the 2. that's why, if we win out, and you win out, we go to the championship over you, because we proved in a head to head competition that we are better than you, to the tune of 35-14.
Gator2753
11-16-2007, 09:40 PM
just answer 1 question for me.
just 1.
who won between georgia and tennessee this year?
that team, no matter what the hell else you have to say, is the better team this season of the 2. that's why, if we win out, and you win out, we go to the championship over you, because we proved in a head to head competition that we are better than you, to the tune of 35-14.
Didn't you know? They are a different team now. :laugh:
crusse10
11-16-2007, 09:43 PM
i guess...
Sabanocchio
11-16-2007, 09:45 PM
This, what the vols' fans are left with grasping for straws that Georgia is overrated and the vols underrated 6 consecutive years in a row and counting.
Coker was your best running back.
Coker is yet another in a long line of Fulmer drug attict running backs.
The vols fans in this forum, had thread after thread about how Coker was the best running back in The SEC.
Now, expendable.
And, waaah, UGA is overrated and the poor vols underrated, nevermind that you lost to Alabama and Florida, who Georgia had 100 more points than you did against.
Show me one thread that stated that Coker was the best back in the SEC. Show me one thread where I have stated that he was even the best back on our team. At the point we let him go, he was third on the depth chart.
I wouldn't trade Arian Foster or Lennon Creer for Moreno EVER! They are both better backs now and will end up with better careers. We are 3 deep at running back and any one of them would start for most teams in the SEC. Keep your overrated players and insert your over-inflated ego straight up that ass of yours.
And Matthew Stafford would be the 3rd best QB on our team and I think BJ Coleman will end up being a better QB than Staffinfection when it's all said and done.
Bburton86
11-16-2007, 10:18 PM
I know who Grady is, he's Chris, just swinging by to stir up traffic for this site. It's brilliant I tell you. Go back and look at every thread Grady ever made. They are always over 3,4,5 or 6 pages. Good stuff.
Grady
11-17-2007, 12:33 AM
everyone knows that florida has lost 3 times because they are rebuilding their defense. they have held their opponents under 20 points just once. lack of depth on offense is certainly not the problem.
It's not ? You think that Tim Tebow being the only player on the team to be the Quarterback, that Tim Tebow being the only player on the team to be the Tailback, on every play of every down in every game in a 13-game SEC Florida season, had nothing to do with the fact that he was sacked more times in the one game than he has been the entire season combined, and ended up with - 64 yards on the sacks had nothing to do with the Loss by Florida to Georgia to end their season ?
200 yards rushing for Georgia, and only 100 yards rushing by Florida because the 1 guy who is their tailback and quarterback, was injured, and unable to run the football in the game - had nothing to do with Florida losing and ending their season ?
That Florida was therefore 4 of 10 only on 3rd down conversions to 10 of 13 Georgia 3rd down conversions rushing the football for twice the effectiveness with Knowshon Moreno, whom Florida did not have an answer for because Florida's Tim Tebow who is their tailback I am told repeatedly in the this thread, was injured. But, that has nothing to do with the fact that Florida could not run the football with Tim Tebow injured and therefore lost ?
6 sacks of Tim Tebow, injured, because he could not run the football, had nothing to do with Florida's loss ? Really ?
Knowshon Moreno rushed as our tailback for 188 yards, as our running back, while Florida's running back, Tim Tebow was injured and ended up with 13 rushes and minus 15 yards rushing on the 13 carries because he was injured. And, that has nothing to do with their 3rd loss of the season, ending it ? Really ?
Maybe I was watching a different game than you ? Tim Tebow is the leading running back for Florida, and "rushed" the football the most of all of Florida' s players in the game, ended up with minus 15 yards to show for - injured - and depth at the 1 position of both quarterback and running back, was wholly unable to run the football.
Every play designed to do nothing but not allow him to run the football for Florida, as everyone witnessed.
Buy, according to you - the fact that Florida does not have a Knowshon Moreno but just a Tim Tebow as both QB and Tailback for Florida, and that he was injured and ruined their game plan, is not a depth chart issue for Florida at tailback ?
http://media.macon.com/smedia/2007/10/27/19/264-102707uga1070gb.slideshow_main.prod_affiliate.71.j pg
Jeez Louise, sure it is.
Grady
11-17-2007, 12:42 AM
No i personally do not wish we had them---you can keep them--granted you guys played a great game but please get over it---u should be undefeated the way u talk----u need to get over yourself and please, if anything, just SHORTEN your posts
You prefer to have Brandon Cox to Matthew Stafford, Auburn fan ? You really expect anyone to believe that ?
Grady
11-17-2007, 01:07 AM
I know who Grady is, he's Chris, just swinging by to stir up traffic for this site. It's brilliant I tell you. Go back and look at every thread Grady ever made. They are always over 3,4,5 or 6 pages. Good stuff.
Clearly, despite the jealous personal attacks by those who are resentful of the fact that I hit on the salient fact that day and make my point that - in this case in this thread - that the combination of Stafford and Moreno is the greatest tandem combination of both quarterback and tailback in The SEC this season, we have no one offer up one single combination on any other SEC team who is in fact doing better than Georgia this season at AP Poll Ranking Number 8, while yet another team whose quarterback and running back is but 1 guy and now that Heisman Hopeful is gone for the year and now they too worse ranked than Georgia tomorrow - assuming we beat Number 23 ranked Kentucky and their fine offense today - Oregon.
One very important aspect of any truly good football team is that they get better during the season, and while Matthew Stafford wasn't ready to play QB to begin this season - last season true freshman - he assuredly has beaten Alabama, Florida and Auburn - a feat no other SEC team has accomplished. And, of course, we all know who is 2nd among SEC running backs in rushing this season despite the fact that this freshman this year has only Started the last 4 games only.
Woodson does not have fewer interceptions on the season this year than Matthew Stafford. Woodson is a fine Quarterback, but he is not better than Matthew Stafford, as only a true sophomore.
And, whereas Kentucky is Number 97 in the NCAA in Rushing Defense, Knowshon Moreno is going to have yet his 5th 100-yard plus rushing day.
It is the combination of the 2, one feeding off the other that has been the sole reason why - along with changing some of our defensive starters based upon seniority to backup and putting in the playmakers on that side of the ball more as well - that Georgia indeed is the hottest team in The SEC.
I was told by Bama fans that Bama was getting hot at the right time of the season, to which I replied that Bama had beat no ranked team, and would not all season long. That in fact, Georgia is hotter and now has beat Alabama, Florida and Auburn. And, where's Bama ? No where to be found.
vols fans still insist their season is better than Matthew Stafford and Knowshon Moreno's season - despite the fact that they cannot show one poll that says anyone agrees with them. And, given request after request to address the fact that there is no other measure of who is having the better season than the other team - than where they are ranked in the polls - they have no reply.
The facts are that Kentucky, Florida and the vols do not have a Knowshon Moreno; that Bama, South Carolina, Arkansas, and Auburn do not have a Matthew Stafford, and LSU does not have a combination of Knowshon Moreno and Matthew Stafford either. It is a fun year watching the growth of a not ready to start Quarterback and a Tailback who shouldn't have been redshired and will be drafted in the 1st round of the NFL Draft and not be here then his senior year, as the year has progressed.
Unless you are an SEC fan of some other team.
Sabanocchio
11-17-2007, 01:11 AM
There are certain teams that would not mind having Stafford as their QB, but Stafford is not god, Grady and I wouldn't trade any QB on my team for him.
You guys have a rude awakening coming for you. You are not as good as you think you are and gimmicks and predesigned celebrations have given you the slight edge in certain match-ups this year. I think we proved to the league when you guys came a-visiting that the Dogs are pretenders rather than contenders. And with the way our team is shaping up for next year, don't expect that to change anytime soon.
Quick tip. Keep your posts to a readable length, I and most people on here read the first couple of lines and skip the whole thing altogether.
We don't log on to read some Georgia fan's essay on the size of Matthew Stafford's member.
Grady
11-17-2007, 01:31 AM
There are certain teams that would not mind having Stafford as their QB
, but Stafford is not god, Grady and I wouldn't trade any QB on my team for him.
You guys have a rude awakening coming for you. You are not as good as you think you are and gimmicks and predesigned celebrations have given you the slight edge in certain match-ups this year.
I think we proved to the league when you guys came a-visiting that the
Dogs are pretenders rather than contenders.
And with the way our team is shaping up for next year, don't expect that to change anytime soon.
Quick tip. Keep your posts to a readable length, I and most people on here read the first couple of lines and skip the whole thing altogether.
We don't log on to read some Georgia fan's essay on the size of Matthew Stafford's member.
Your last 2 posts, both of them, are in direct viloation of every Law governing pornographic language.
If you proved that UGA is overrated and not contenders compared to the vols this season, why are the vols ranked worse in every single poll than Georgia for the 6th consecutive season in a row now of Coach Richt at No. 9 BCS Georgia and No. 20 BCS vols ?
Why is there no one who says that in any poll ? Why is that Sabanocchio ?
Grady
11-17-2007, 01:35 AM
Foster and Ainge are not better than the combination of Moreno and Stafford, and that is why you left out anything other than just that Stafford is good and that "there are certain teams who would not mind having Stafford as their QB" Do you think that Foster will be higher drafted by the NFL than Moreno ? For that matter, do you think that Ainge will be higher drafted in the NFL than Stafford ?
Sabanocchio
11-17-2007, 01:38 AM
Your last 2 posts, both of them, are in direct viloation of every Law governing pornographic language.
If you proved that UGA is overrated and not contenders compared to the vols this season, why are the vols ranked worse in every single poll than Georgia for the 6th consecutive season in a row now of Coach Richt at No. 9 BCS Georgia and No. 20 BCS vols ?
Why is there no one who says that in any poll ? Why is that Sabanocchio ?
Who stomped the hell out of you in Neyland? Who did it there last year between the bushes? The same team that's gonna do it to you next year in your house. And you HATE IT!!!!
DON'T YOU? The polls are garbage. Anyone who knows anything about college football knows that.
You can't hang your hat on who's ahead in the polls, you gotta look at head-to-head matchups. Otherwise, our players would just sit at home and let the media decide who should win what game, and who's better.
We beat you the last two years and 3 out of 4. And the last two you plain-out got spanked. How's that for some pornography for ya?
To say that Stafford and Moreno is the best tandem in the SEC is ludicrous. They aren't even third in their own division.
What Vol fan would ever think about tradining Ainge - Foster, Hardesty, Creer for your backfield - the same one that did jack$hit when you came to Neyland?
Sabanocchio
11-17-2007, 01:41 AM
Foster and Ainge are not better than the combination of Moreno and Stafford, and that is why you left out anything other than just that Stafford is good and that "there are certain teams who would not mind having Stafford as their QB" Do you think that Foster will be higher drafted by the NFL than Moreno ? For that matter, do you think that Ainge will be higher drafted in the NFL than Stafford ?
Yes, to both, you bumbling moron. And yes. Ainge and Foster are miles ahead of Stafford/Moreno. You are just a blind homer.
Grady
11-17-2007, 02:01 AM
The polls are garbage. Anyone who knows anything about college football knows that.
You can't hang your hat on who's ahead in the polls
, you gotta look at head-to-head matchups. Otherwise, our players would just sit at home and let the media decide who should win what game, and who's [SIC] better.
The 4 head-to-head matchups this season to-date are vols-UGA, vols-AL-UGA, vols-FL-UGA, vols-vs. 1 non-ranked out-of-conference bowl eligible opponent whom you lost to and the 3 out-of-conference bowl eligible opponents Georgia beat all 3 of.
3-1 UGA is head-to-head comparisons vs. vols this season to-date. And, that is why there is no poll who determines that the vols are doing better this season for the 6th season in a row of Coach Richt vs. Fulmer when Coach Richt has a winning record over Fulmer as well.
When there is something other than the polls to determine in fact who had the better season, taking into account all the head-to-head comparisons of UGA-vols, UGA-AL vols-AL, UGA-FL vols-FL, UGA-ooc bowl eligible vols-ooc bowl eligible, I presume you will share your wondrous ability to discuss it with all the voters, including every coach, all the media and all the fan polls of who in fact is having the better year ?
Grady
11-17-2007, 02:08 AM
Maybe we should ask Fulmer to tell us where he ranked UGA and where he ranked the vols this week ?
Bburton86
11-17-2007, 02:16 AM
The facts are that Kentucky, Florida and the vols do not have a Knowshon Moreno; that Bama, South Carolina, Arkansas, and Auburn do not have a Matthew Stafford, and LSU does not have a combination of Knowshon Moreno and Matthew Stafford either. It is a fun year watching the growth of a not ready to start Quarterback and a Tailback who shouldn't have been redshired and will be drafted in the 1st round of the NFL Draft and not be here then his senior year, as the year has progressed.
Unless you are an SEC fan of some other team.
The best Grady paragraph so far.
reese
11-17-2007, 02:22 AM
Keep your overrated players and your overrated team.
what makes them overrated?
grady you are truly an idiot foster/ainge duo is a much better duo than those two morons you got in your backfield thank ya for your useless info though GO VOLS!!!!!!!!
morons?
crusse10
11-17-2007, 04:30 AM
what, grady? you can't battle me anymore? give up? realize you're wrong in the comparisons?
crimsonnation713
11-17-2007, 08:12 AM
"When there is something other than the polls to determine in fact who had the better season, taking into account all the head-to-head comparisons of UGA-vols, UGA-AL vols-AL, UGA-FL vols-FL, UGA-ooc bowl eligible vols-ooc bowl eligible, I presume you will share your wondrous ability to discuss it with all the voters, including every coach, all the media and all the fan polls of who in fact is having the better year ?"
~grady~
Thats the longest sentence I've ever seen.
FanSmack
11-17-2007, 08:15 AM
LOL @ Tebow as QB and RB on one team. I think you could almost consider Harvin a RB with him doing a lot of the rushing plays. So I would vote for Tebow/Harvin (even though his official position is WR)
Grady
11-17-2007, 09:10 AM
Harvin ? WR Harvin ran the ball 9 times against UGA when Tim Tebow was injured, and even then Tim Tebow had 13 carries for minus 15 yards. All entire season long, Percy Harvin has rushed the football 54 times for 442 yards and 4 TD rushing. Yeah, that compares to Knowshon Moreno who has 1,104 yards rushing and 11 TD rushing on 200 carries. Thanks for making my point that other than the 1 guy, Tim Tebow, Florida doesn't have anyone at QB or Tailback to rush the football.
I do believe that I made that point, but thank you for making it again for everyone so graphically.
Grady
11-17-2007, 09:22 AM
"Thats the longest sentence I've ever seen."
What is that ? "Thats" ? Is it supposed to be a plural that ? That is the single shortest sentence I've ever read, attempting to have a personal attack on someone else, that it itself was not even a sentence.
Can we get back to football now, or would you like to have a debate on your "English" sentence 7 words long which is not a sentence ? Let me know, would you ?
Bulldog Bry
11-17-2007, 09:41 AM
"When there is something other than the polls to determine in fact who had the better season, taking into account all the head-to-head comparisons of UGA-vols, UGA-AL vols-AL, UGA-FL vols-FL, UGA-ooc bowl eligible vols-ooc bowl eligible, I presume you will share your wondrous ability to discuss it with all the voters, including every coach, all the media and all the fan polls of who in fact is having the better year ?"
~grady~
Thats the longest sentence I've ever seen.
I bet he tops that mark sometime..........this week. :wacko:
aufan
11-17-2007, 09:41 AM
What is that ? "Thats" ? Is it supposed to be a plural that ? That is the single shortest sentence I've ever read, attempting to have a personal attack on someone else, that it itself was not even a sentence.
Can we get back to football now, or would you like to have a debate on your "English" sentence 7 words long which is not a sentence ? Let me know, would you ?
Wow---not only does Grady have the BEST duo in the whole nation (maybe they will give both of them the heisman---oh wait i guess you have to be a leading candidate first) But also the BEST grammer in the nation as well---please feel free to correct this statement
crusse10
11-17-2007, 06:32 PM
The 4 head-to-head matchups this season to-date are vols-UGA, vols-AL-UGA, vols-FL-UGA, vols-vs. 1 non-ranked out-of-conference bowl eligible opponent whom you lost to and the 3 out-of-conference bowl eligible opponents Georgia beat all 3 of.
3-1 UGA is head-to-head comparisons vs. vols this season to-date. And, that is why there is no poll who determines that the vols are doing better this season for the 6th season in a row of Coach Richt vs. Fulmer when Coach Richt has a winning record over Fulmer as well.
When there is something other than the polls to determine in fact who had the better season, taking into account all the head-to-head comparisons of UGA-vols, UGA-AL vols-AL, UGA-FL vols-FL, UGA-ooc bowl eligible vols-ooc bowl eligible, I presume you will share your wondrous ability to discuss it with all the voters, including every coach, all the media and all the fan polls of who in fact is having the better year ?
i'm so sorry, but since when does head to head include 3 heads?
head to head means 1 team versus another team, and only that team.
crimsonnation713
11-17-2007, 07:15 PM
I bet he tops that mark sometime..........this week. :wacko:
With the Dawgs winning, he'll have "War and Peace" beat.
Bulldog Bry
11-17-2007, 11:29 PM
i'm so sorry, but since when does head to head include 3 heads?
head to head means 1 team versus another team, and only that team.
Forget it, he's on a roll............or on acid.
Grady
11-18-2007, 01:32 AM
Show me one thread that stated that Coker was the best back in the SEC. Show me one thread where I have stated that he was even the best back on our team. At the point we let him go, he was third on the depth chart.
I wouldn't trade Arian Foster or Lennon Creer for Moreno EVER! They are both better backs now and will end up with better careers. We are 3 deep at running back and any one of them would start for most teams in the SEC. Keep your overrated players and
insert your over-inflated ego straight up that ass of yours.
And Matthew Stafford would be the 3rd best QB on our team and I think BJ Coleman will end up being a better QB than Staffinfection when it's all said and done.
We allow such a post as this in this forum ?
insert your over-inflated ego straight up that ass of yours.
Sabanocchio
11-18-2007, 04:11 AM
I guess when you are losing an argument, you will try anything to win, including crying over insults, grammar, and anything else that detracts from the fact that you are getting your a$$ handed to you and are fighting a losing battle.
In a war of wits, Grady, I would wager you would be beaten by an 8 year old. Why don't you go on that show, what's it called? Are you smarter than a 5th grader? And make the SEC proud! Of course, in the likely event that you lose, we will be forced to execute you.
crusse10
11-18-2007, 08:13 AM
graaaaaaaaaaaaaaaddddddddyyyyyyyyyy...
you still haven't answered my question.
who won between georgia and tennessee this year?
FanSmack
11-19-2007, 11:47 PM
Harvin ? WR Harvin ran the ball 9 times against UGA when Tim Tebow was injured, and even then Tim Tebow had 13 carries for minus 15 yards. All entire season long, Percy Harvin has rushed the football 54 times for 442 yards and 4 TD rushing. Yeah, that compares to Knowshon Moreno who has 1,104 yards rushing and 11 TD rushing on 200 carries. Thanks for making my point that other than the 1 guy, Tim Tebow, Florida doesn't have anyone at QB or Tailback to rush the football.
I do believe that I made that point, but thank you for making it again for everyone so graphically.
Wow so we're only comparing one game? Yeah ok bud.
Your post said combo QB/RB. Harvin isn't an actual RB. If he were, I'm sure the stats would be tons better. I would hope an actual running back would have more yards than a WR.
As for the negative rep (back atcha by the way), you're an idiot and no wonder people pay no mind to your rambles and rants.
gatorunvrsty
11-20-2007, 12:04 AM
Forget it, he's on a roll............or on acid.
Nah, people come down off acid... eventually.:happy:
PuddingTime
11-20-2007, 12:25 AM
Grady, I have no problem w/your posting here, you're enthusiastic and always have lots of info. The problem is your grammar...your syntax. If you made your posts cohesive and coherrent, I'm sure they'd actually be great. The way you word your points and phrase your sentences are impossible to decipher. Take your time to make them coherrent, and I think no one will have a problem.
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