I would be REALLY UPSET if I were a Notre Dame SENIOR!

[larryt4111]

Notre Dame's offense ranks last among the 120 teams in Division I-A

I would be REALLY UPSET if I were a NOTRE DAME SENIOR!
Is Weis on an ego trip or what?:dry:
Rivals.com College Football - Irish must search for motivation (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=730338)

"I think you have to start getting more guys into the mix that are going to be playing (in the future)," Weis said. "I think what you're not going to do is go through four games and not have worked on developing guys to get ready for next year.”

What is this guy telling his seniors? I am going to bench you so we can prepare the team for a better year “NEXT YEAR”?
If I played for him I’d just walk off the practice field and shoot him a bird on the way.

[gatorunvrsty]

That program is in such disarray, I don't know what to think. I'll be amazed if recruits don't start jumping ship right and left, and guys start transferring.

[D^3]

Well at least we won't have to fight Notre Dame for recruits anymore.

[BAMAPERRY]

He's recruiting very well. Gotta stick with him a couple more years, anyway.

[Bburton86]

That program is in such disarray, I don't know what to think. I'll be amazed if recruits don't start jumping ship right and left, and guys start transferring.

Haven't five left already?

[larryt4111]

He's recruiting very well. Gotta stick with him a couple more years, anyway.
They ran Willingham off in a shorter time, AND HE HAD A BETTER RECORD !
Where is Jessie and the Rev Al?
Ha Ha Ha

[bamaboy]

They ran Willingham off in a shorter time, AND HE HAD A BETTER RECORD !
Where is Jessie and the Rev Al?
Ha Ha Ha

Investigating the Bama bookstore incident. Sorry folks, too much time on my hands.

[lacene]

Reads to me that Weis is just trying to get some of his younger players some PT to prepare for next season, not so much that he's thinking of benching his seniors:

"I think that the players and the coaching staff have an ethical responsibility to go ahead and do everything they can to try to win those four games, and I think that's exactly what we're going to try to do."

[nooneLT]

maybe he's given up on this season...hopefully hehe.

[gatorunvrsty]

maybe he's given up on this season...hopefully hehe.

The season has definitely given up on them. We'll get to see how pathetic they really are over the next 4 weeks, with games against Navy, Air Force, Duke, and Stanford. Even if they win them all, they can't get bowl eligible. Guess that's one way to keep them out of their guaranteed BCS bowl game.:happy:

[sheluvsbama]

I almost feel sorry for them.....

[nooneLT]

I almost feel sorry for them.....

almost...then of course you realize they're notre dame and laugh...

right?

[sheluvsbama]

almost...then of course you realize they're notre dame and laugh...

right?

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[M2J]

He's doing exactly what I'd do. He's helping his future by developing all the youngsters he can in game situations. This season is dead, not even possible for bowl eligibility. It can only help his upcoming season. Im sure he'll play his seniors that are doing thier jobs well, obviously some of his upperclassmen are not.

Fact is the 04 and 05 recruiting classes were dismal. 1 due to Tyrone, the other due to Weis not recruiting, but instead idiotically saying seeing him get a ring would do his recruiting (didn't work). But in the next 2 years they'll be back, it will be interesting to see if he just can't teach defense or if Willingham didn't recruit that end of the field well (Weis really hasn't til this year, but pretty well in the past)?

But Weis absolutely should not be fired, he's an offensive genius, he could be my OC any day, and he's obviously a damn great recruiter. A few years ago people were saying ND should lower their standards, now they're back amongst the elite recruiting schools year in and year out.


I hate I just defended Notre Dame and Weis, as I didn't like him in NE and I always hated ND. But its better and more exciting when a school like that is doing well (but not too well :()

[Bburton86]

He's doing exactly what I'd do. He's helping his future by developing all the youngsters he can in game situations. This season is dead, not even possible for bowl eligibility. It can only help his upcoming season. Im sure he'll play his seniors that are doing thier jobs well, obviously some of his upperclassmen are not.

Fact is the 04 and 05 recruiting classes were dismal. 1 due to Tyrone, the other due to Weis not recruiting, but instead idiotically saying seeing him get a ring would do his recruiting (didn't work). But in the next 2 years they'll be back, it will be interesting to see if he just can't teach defense or if Willingham didn't recruit that end of the field well (Weis really hasn't til this year, but pretty well in the past)?

But Weis absolutely should not be fired, he's an offensive genius, he could be my OC any day, and he's obviously a damn great recruiter. A few years ago people were saying ND should lower their standards, now they're back amongst the elite recruiting schools year in and year out.


I hate I just defended Notre Dame and Weis, as I didn't like him in NE and I always hated ND. But its better and more exciting when a school like that is doing well (but not too well :()


Or maybe it was just that the Pats were so good during his tenure there that it didn't matter what OC they had. Or that they knew everybody's defensive signals?

lol wut

[gatoraus]

He's doing exactly what I'd do. He's helping his future by developing all the youngsters he can in game situations. This season is dead, not even possible for bowl eligibility. It can only help his upcoming season. Im sure he'll play his seniors that are doing thier jobs well, obviously some of his upperclassmen are not.

Fact is the 04 and 05 recruiting classes were dismal. 1 due to Tyrone, the other due to Weis not recruiting, but instead idiotically saying seeing him get a ring would do his recruiting (didn't work). But in the next 2 years they'll be back, it will be interesting to see if he just can't teach defense or if Willingham didn't recruit that end of the field well (Weis really hasn't til this year, but pretty well in the past)?

But Weis absolutely should not be fired, he's an offensive genius, he could be my OC any day, and he's obviously a damn great recruiter. A few years ago people were saying ND should lower their standards, now they're back amongst the elite recruiting schools year in and year out.


I hate I just defended Notre Dame and Weis, as I didn't like him in NE and I always hated ND. But its better and more exciting when a school like that is doing well (but not too well :()

I am still in love with your sig. I wouldn't mind taking a peak at her mom.

[D^3]

I am still in love with your sig. I wouldn't mind taking a peak at her mom.

Saw a picture of her parents somewhere, her mom wasn't anything to look at. Her parents were pretty old.

[gatoraus]

Saw a picture of her parents somewhere, her mom wasn't anything to look at. Her parents were pretty old.

Damn, I guess she'll do.

[M2J]

Or maybe it was just that the Pats were so good during his tenure there that it didn't matter what OC they had. Or that they knew everybody's defensive signals?

lol wut

Well the offense in ND wasn't bad the past 2 years either.

[WayzUp]

ND & Charlie's problem stems from Charlie's ego and/or ignorance of the differences between college & pro football. Weis is an X's & O's guy who assumes (expects) all his players to already have it in them to do what his X's & O's say do. It's well known up here that they didn't spend hardly a lick of time on fundamentals in spring practice, did very little full-contact and spent/spend a majority of their practice time doing walk-throughs of plays/formations they'll be using the week ahead. They were still practicing in shorts with no hard contact leading up to the southern california game and this was after he announced after the Purdue loss that they were "starting training camp all over".

Then there's the in-team divisions that includes their once highly-regarded center John Sullivan and one Jimmy Clausen. Fans & coaches alike have noticed how #78 has a real bad habit of snapping it over JC's head, off to the side and missing blocks when the Golden Boy is in there and playing up to his reputation when Evan Sharpley is under center. There was even clips during the Michigan game where Sullivan snapped it 3 yards over JC's head, a 3-and-out quickly followed and Sullivan was actually yelling at Clausen and jabbing a finger in his face as JC sat on the bench. Sully's rumored to be a Weis favorite & the lack of any action by coaches to this or anything like it is seen by the team as Weis & Co. playing favorites, preferential treatment, etc etc which is what most think started the defections and general lack of heart throughout the team. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a couple more transfers followed by another year of 11th hour decommits that they suffered through last year.

Speaking of recruiting, there's also the angle that he relies far too much on recruiting analysts' opinions on prospects and goes for stars rather than what kind of player he needs for a given position so he's putting a lot of square pegs in round holes. Armando Allen was one of their highest-rated signees but they're trying to use him as a between the tackles back and he's clearly not built to be that...he looks, acts and runs like a spread offense kind of back who likes to be in space and/or get to the outside but over and over, they run him up the gut for 1 or 2, take him out in passing downs cuz he's too small to block and their offense sputters because of it. Of course, their OL being among the worst in all of college football doesn't help matters but even the worst OL's open a hole now and then....I'd bet their longest run of the season is less than 20 yards.

Anyway...I could go on forever on ND's problems...I live an hour's drive away, am surrounded by Domers and my wife's family is all ND diehards so I hear everything. To hear them talk about it, they're realistic about how bad they are this year but what pisses them off the most without a doubt is the total lack of improvement in any area as the season progresses. They dismiss the youth excuse, they dismiss the 'lost skill position guys' excuse, they've even gotten off the 'Ty left a bare cupboard' wagon cuz so many other teams have or are going through the same kind of situation(s) and are getting better as the season goes as while ND continues to wallow and actually getting worse on special teams.

A true train wreck of a season if there ever was one.....that recruiting class they have in-hand better be well protected cuz you know teams are going to keep calling & reminding them of ND's struggles week-in and week-out. They could easily lose their last four...Navy, AIr Force, Duke & Stanford are not automatic W's by any stretch.

[nooneLT]

ND & Charlie's problem stems from Charlie's ego and/or ignorance of the differences between college & pro football. Weis is an X's & O's guy who assumes (expects) all his players to already have it in them to do what his X's & O's say do. It's well known up here that they didn't spend hardly a lick of time on fundamentals in spring practice, did very little full-contact and spent/spend a majority of their practice time doing walk-throughs of plays/formations they'll be using the week ahead. They were still practicing in shorts with no hard contact leading up to the southern california game and this was after he announced after the Purdue loss that they were "starting training camp all over".

Then there's the in-team divisions that includes their once highly-regarded center John Sullivan and one Jimmy Clausen. Fans & coaches alike have noticed how #78 has a real bad habit of snapping it over JC's head, off to the side and missing blocks when the Golden Boy is in there and playing up to his reputation when Evan Sharpley is under center. There was even clips during the Michigan game where Sullivan snapped it 3 yards over JC's head, a 3-and-out quickly followed and Sullivan was actually yelling at Clausen and jabbing a finger in his face as JC sat on the bench. Sully's rumored to be a Weis favorite & the lack of any action by coaches to this or anything like it is seen by the team as Weis & Co. playing favorites, preferential treatment, etc etc which is what most think started the defections and general lack of heart throughout the team. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a couple more transfers followed by another year of 11th hour decommits that they suffered through last year.

Speaking of recruiting, there's also the angle that he relies far too much on recruiting analysts' opinions on prospects and goes for stars rather than what kind of player he needs for a given position so he's putting a lot of square pegs in round holes. Armando Allen was one of their highest-rated signees but they're trying to use him as a between the tackles back and he's clearly not built to be that...he looks, acts and runs like a spread offense kind of back who likes to be in space and/or get to the outside but over and over, they run him up the gut for 1 or 2, take him out in passing downs cuz he's too small to block and their offense sputters because of it. Of course, their OL being among the worst in all of college football doesn't help matters but even the worst OL's open a hole now and then....I'd bet their longest run of the season is less than 20 yards.

Anyway...I could go on forever on ND's problems...I live an hour's drive away, am surrounded by Domers and my wife's family is all ND diehards so I hear everything. To hear them talk about it, they're realistic about how bad they are this year but what pisses them off the most without a doubt is the total lack of improvement in any area as the season progresses. They dismiss the youth excuse, they dismiss the 'lost skill position guys' excuse, they've even gotten off the 'Ty left a bare cupboard' wagon cuz so many other teams have or are going through the same kind of situation(s) and are getting better as the season goes as while ND continues to wallow and actually getting worse on special teams.

A true train wreck of a season if there ever was one.....that recruiting class they have in-hand better be well protected cuz you know teams are going to keep calling & reminding them of ND's struggles week-in and week-out. They could easily lose their last four...Navy, AIr Force, Duke & Stanford are not automatic W's by any stretch.

you hit it right there. i also want to add this is a big reason we fired Mike Shula. he couldn't grasp that college ball is different than the NFL and was not a good motivator. in the NFL players are self-motivated for the almighty dollar. it doesn't help that Shula had his favorites and those were the ones getting the PT (Capps is a great example for this)

[raptorcox]

That program is in such disarray, I don't know what to think. I'll be amazed if recruits don't start jumping ship right and left, and guys start transferring.

I remember one Gary Grey that was a 5 star recruit last year that committed to the Gamecocks, talked a great talk about how he was going to help bring other All-American athletes to USC and help us win a championship...... THEN he decommitted from USC and committed to Notre Dame.

May his experiences with Notre Dame continue to be losing ones. :laugh:

[vandyfan84]

Good, maybe Golden Tate will realize he made a mistake and transfer to Vandy where he belongs. He can play in hte best conference in the nation. And he can play on the best baseball team in the nation.

[Fatdaddy]

Investigating the Bama bookstore incident. Sorry folks, too much time on my hands.

All of the pictures in the books had already been colored in.

[larryt4111]

If Gary G. came knocking I'd hope SOS would laugh at him !!!!

[timNem]

They will still be reanked in the Top 25 by default in the 2008 preseason.