View Full Version : Why is the SEC the Best Conference?
GatorChomp
10-22-2007, 06:56 PM
I am trying to debate some ACC homers on another forum about why the SEC is the best conference. If you all know of some stats that support the SEC as the best conference then please post to help me out finding them. Post links to sources if you ahve them as well.
C_hris
10-22-2007, 07:27 PM
Because we rule and they drool.....but in all honesty are there actual ACC people who think there confrence is the best or are they standing up for a diffrent confrence other then there own.
True Grit
10-22-2007, 07:46 PM
recruiting
Rivals.com Football Recruiting - Where's all the talent coming from? (http://rivals100.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=259347)
crimsonnation713
10-22-2007, 07:48 PM
Recruiting and coaching. ACC shouldn't even be arguing the point. If they don't realize they're inferior to the SEC then they're even dumber than I thought.
Recruits are in the South. Schools and their communities care about football a lot and are willing to put a lot into it...meaning better facilities to help with the recruiting and betterment of the players, and leading to getting the best coaches for the job.
Tennessee Ted
10-22-2007, 07:56 PM
I think we are the best conference because of Ole Miss, Miss. St., and Vanderbilt. What other conference has the worst 3 teams play the best teams in the conference as tough as they do? Teams like Northwestern, Indiana, Baylor, Washington St. occasionally play a tough game or two, but usually they get whipped by everyone else in their conference and especially get smoked by the best teams.
This is just one point of many I could make. The middle of the pack teams in our conference might be the best in some conferences. I feel confident that Tennessee would match up well against Ohio St. and might even win.
C_hris
10-22-2007, 07:59 PM
I think we are the best conference because of Ole Miss, Miss. St., and Vanderbilt. What other conference has the worst 3 teams play the best teams in the conference as tough as they do? Teams like Northwestern, Indiana, Baylor, Washington St. occasionally play a tough game or two, but usually they get whipped by everyone else in their conference and especially get smoked by the best teams.
This is just one point of many I could make. The middle of the pack teams in our conference might be the best in some conferences. I feel confident that Tennessee would match up well against Ohio St. and might even win.
Plus every week they have a legitamit chance of winning week end and week out.
Sannyasin
10-22-2007, 10:35 PM
It's all about recruiting and fan interest level. The vast majority of the athletes in the country are in the SEC states (and Texas and Southern California).
The ideal situation would be to get that Texas recruiting base into SEC territory and to get a lockdown on Florida athletes through expansion. Then we truly would have a stranglehold on college athletics in general.
Here is a picture of where the players come from:
http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/1014/134318.jpg
Add Texas and Oklahoma (or Texas A&M) and Miami and Florida State and the SEC would basically totally lock down 60% of all top high school recruits by area. Why would that be important?
Well, no athlete would want to play at a non-SEC school that lives in Florida or Texas. Would you sign to play in the ACC or Big XII if Florida, Florida State, Miami, Texas and Texas A & M or Oklahoma were in the SEC? No way.
Roscoe
10-23-2007, 12:12 AM
Running the conference rankings here, SEC is the #2 conference for the past decade (2000-2006), behind Pac 10
Conference Rankings by Decade [2000-2006] (http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/decade_conf_rankings.php?period=2000-2006)
All time conference rankings, SEC is #1
All Time Conference Rankings (http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_conf_rankings.php)
I'm not sure how they configure the numbers, but you may be able to use it. Just run the numbers to fit your argument :thumpsup:
Bamafan316
10-23-2007, 05:04 PM
Attendance too I think all but two teams don't sell out every week. Where as the ACC to the best of my knowledge maybe wrong don't even sell out half of there teams. Clemson, VT, FSU, I know sells out but the SEC holds the record since it's been kept.
GeauxTo
10-23-2007, 05:23 PM
Because our Vanderbilt can beat our South Carolina, and,
our Kentucky can beat our LSU, and on, and on, and on...
DanielW4444
10-23-2007, 05:32 PM
Just talk about how they have Duke in their conference, and our weaker teams, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt and Mississippi State would probably put 50 up on them
Just more developed players and better coaching, and, of course, better fans.
Gamecocks4Ever
10-23-2007, 07:32 PM
Well, I don't know of any specific sites, but maybe a little argument critique could help you. The best type of stat to find would be SEC vs. Other BCS Conferences head to head on the field. That's where the games are played.
Don't use meaningless arguments to support your case:
1) Attendace: How many fans show up has nothing to do with the strength of a football team. To me, that's a no-brainer, but some on here seem to think it matters. South Carolina selling out the stands while fielding an 0-11 team is enough to blow that argument apart.
2) How our bottom teams and beat our top teams on any given week: Not sure what that proves at all. It basically only proves that there is parity in college football and that the talent level of the teams is somewhat close across the board. It does nothing to prove at WHAT level that talent is located.
Arguments you possibly twist to support your case:
1) Coaching: This is a very opinionated issue. Not many facts can be proven here unless you can prove that a given coach has a great record against OOC teams. Don't use this argument without facts to back you up. The first thing they'll bring up is that Pops Bowden is the wins leader, then Joe Pa. Are there any SEC coaches close? If you do go there, PLEASE make sure that the OOC teams aren't a bunch of cupcakes, or you're making a stronger case against the SEC than you're making for it.
2) Recruiting: Just because most of the good recruits come from the south in itself is not a good argument. If little Johnny played for USCw or Notre Dame, then it means nothing. You have to have numbers saying that they went to SEC schools. Don't know if I like the recruiting argument though, as it's all on paper. It's as meaningless as pre-season polls if a 5-star player turns out to be a bust. I like True Grits source better. It takes guys that made it to the NFL, taking out all of the bust. But again, the state they came from means nothing, if they went to Michigan. You have to have numbers saying that they played in the SEC.
Overall, the best argument would be football results on the field. It would take a lot of time to do this, but just SEC records vs. BCS conferences can be deceiving if it's Vandy vs. Michigan or LSU vs. Duke for obvious reasons. If you dug deep enough, and could prove that SEC teams consistently beat teams from other BCS conferences in the same position in the conference standings, then that argument would be all but bulletproof.
CarolinaGrad07
10-23-2007, 07:58 PM
Why? I will tell you why.....(in no specific order)
Florida
UGA
USC
UT
VU
UK
Bama
LSU
AU
MSU
ARK
OM
nuff said
DanielW4444
10-23-2007, 08:22 PM
Why? I will tell you why.....(in no specific order)
Florida
UGA
USC
UT
VU
UK
Bama
LSU
AU
MSU
ARK
OM
nuff said
Thats good stuff man, have you checked out my sig lately?
True Grit
10-23-2007, 08:46 PM
2) Recruiting: Just because most of the good recruits come from the south in itself is not a good argument. If little Johnny played for USCw or Notre Dame, then it means nothing. You have to have numbers saying that they went to SEC schools. Don't know if I like the recruiting argument though, as it's all on paper. It's as meaningless as pre-season polls if a 5-star player turns out to be a bust. I like True Grits source better. It takes guys that made it to the NFL, taking out all of the bust. But again, the state they came from means nothing, if they went to Michigan. You have to have numbers saying that they played in the SEC.
I disagree with most of this post. Its no coincidence that the best recruits are in the south and the south has the best teams and the states with not very much high school talent dont have as many good teams.
Well, I don't know of any specific sites, but maybe a little argument critique could help you. The best type of stat to find would be SEC vs. Other BCS Conferences head to head on the field. That's where the games are played.
Don't use meaningless arguments to support your case:
1) Attendace: How many fans show up has nothing to do with the strength of a football team. To me, that's a no-brainer, but some on here seem to think it matters. South Carolina selling out the stands while fielding an 0-11 team is enough to blow that argument apart.
2) How our bottom teams and beat our top teams on any given week: Not sure what that proves at all. It basically only proves that there is parity in college football and that the talent level of the teams is somewhat close across the board. It does nothing to prove at WHAT level that talent is located.
Its not just this year where our bottom dwellers are teams that could be a force in conferences like the Big East. Every year we have tough teams, not every conference can say that. And every year our bottom dwellers have atleast 1 true star player that better teams would love to have. Look at Ole Miss with Hardy, Ben Jarvus, Seth Adams...Vanderbilt's tough D, Nickson and Bennett
Arguments you possibly twist to support your case:
1) Coaching: This is a very opinionated issue. Not many facts can be proven here unless you can prove that a given coach has a great record against OOC teams. Don't use this argument without facts to back you up. The first thing they'll bring up is that Pops Bowden is the wins leader, then Joe Pa. Are there any SEC coaches close? If you do go there, PLEASE make sure that the OOC teams aren't a bunch of cupcakes, or you're making a stronger case against the SEC than you're making for it.
Dude, there's no opinion about it we have the best coaches. We have 4 active coaches with National titles, And Tubby has the AL.com national title for going undefeated in 2004:unsure:. Richt coaches a team that's been considered contenders for like 5 years straight... And Miles is a good coach that turned around OKST and is favored to win the National title this year (though with Saban's team:dry: ). Rich Brooks already has a coach of the year award, and should probably win another this year. But the National titles says enough
2) Recruiting: Just because most of the good recruits come from the south in itself is not a good argument. If little Johnny played for USCw or Notre Dame, then it means nothing. You have to have numbers saying that they went to SEC schools. Don't know if I like the recruiting argument though, as it's all on paper. It's as meaningless as pre-season polls if a 5-star player turns out to be a bust. I like True Grits source better. It takes guys that made it to the NFL, taking out all of the bust. But again, the state they came from means nothing, if they went to Michigan. You have to have numbers saying that they played in the SEC.
This isn't that hard to find. Rivals has 6 SEC schools in the top 25 in rankings, more than any other conference, and its quite probable that Tennessee will join in by NSD and maybe South Carolina. And its that way every year, last year there were 7 teams from the SEC IN THE TOP 10.
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