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Sannyasin
10-22-2007, 01:55 PM
Watching the replays it was clearly intentional. When you threaten another player's career and health on an illegal dirty play you should at least get suspended a game.
GeauxTo
10-22-2007, 02:01 PM
Watching the replays it was clearly intentional. When you threaten another player's career and health on an illegal dirty play you should at least get suspended a game.

The two Auburn players planned it and executed it. They should both be suspended; and if their line coach had anything to do with it, which I doubt, then he should go too.

Pretty low. The nation saw it and it will certainly not endure football fans to Auburn. Wonder why The Barn doesn't get any respect? Guess!
:angry:
Jay Bee
10-22-2007, 02:08 PM
The two Auburn players planned it and executed it. They should both be suspended; and if their line coach had anything to do with it, which I doubt, then he should go too.

Pretty low. The nation saw it and it will certainly not endure football fans to Auburn. Wonder why The Barn doesn't get any respect? Guess!
:angry:

Sorry, gotta call BS... If Ziemba hadn't been engaged in his block on Dorsey, it's a legal block. Now for a blatant cheap shot, you need to refer to Tyson Jackson's two punches to Woodson's head last week. Should big Tyson have been suspended?

WDE!
jb
GeauxTo
10-22-2007, 02:13 PM
Sorry, gotta call BS... If Ziemba hadn't been engaged in his block on Dorsey, it's a legal block. Now for a blatant cheap shot, you need to refer to Tyson Jackson's two punches to Woodson's head last week. Should big Tyson have been suspended?

WDE!
jb

Those were overhand thrusts more from not being able to stop the intensity of his charge than anything else; dumb, nevertheless. However, that can't be compared to the chop block and its usual consequences. It was blatant and it was intentional. He was weary of Dorsey throwing him around, as someone has said, "like a ragdoll."
aufan
10-22-2007, 02:17 PM
Its over and LSU won and dorsey didnt get hurt...let it go
Jay Bee
10-22-2007, 02:18 PM
Those were overhand thrusts more from not being able to stop the intensity of his charge than anything else; dumb, nevertheless. However, that can't be compared to the chop block and its usual consequences. It was blatant and it was intentional. He was weary of Dorsey throwing him around, as someone has said, "like a ragdoll."

YouTube - LSU karate chop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKMpR0mbJH8)

Really? Are you serious? :laugh:

And Hollifield's ear just got in Tyson's way.

WDE!
jb
jthomas666
10-22-2007, 03:06 PM
Sorry, gotta call BS... If Ziemba hadn't been engaged in his block on Dorsey, it's a legal block. Now for a blatant cheap shot, you need to refer to Tyson Jackson's two punches to Woodson's head last week. Should big Tyson have been suspended?Uh, what are you calling BS on?

You are correct in that if the play had not met the rulebook definition of a chop block, it would not have been a chop block. (LDO :duh:)

However, Ziemba was engaged, the other Auburn OL did hit Dorsey low, and that is the rulebook definition of a chop block.

I do have one question, though--the OL who hit Dorsey in the knees--what position does he play?
Cianne
10-22-2007, 03:07 PM
Lee Ziemba plays RT and Chaz Ramsey plays RG.
cocky4ever
10-22-2007, 03:08 PM
The two Auburn players planned it and executed it. They should both be suspended; and if their line coach had anything to do with it, which I doubt, then he should go too.

Pretty low. The nation saw it and it will certainly not endure football fans to Auburn. Wonder why The Barn doesn't get any respect? Guess!
:angry:

God Im getting tired of all the whiney LSU fans:glare:
DanielW4444
10-22-2007, 03:10 PM
This was a cool play, I found it in the links off the one showing the karate chop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3MmVF9xao8
Jay Bee
10-22-2007, 03:12 PM
Uh, what are you calling BS on?

You are correct in that if the play had not met the rulebook definition of a chop block, it would not have been a chop block. (LDO :duh:)

However, Ziemba was engaged, the other Auburn OL did hit Dorsey low, and that is the rulebook definition of a chop block.

I do have one question, though--the OL who hit Dorsey in the knees--what position does he play?

I calling BS on saying he should be suspended. Apparently AU's line was using a zone blocking scheme and the tackle (Ziemba) was supposed to move off of Dorsey, and didn't do it. Ramsey (the guard) was executing his assigned block, and didn't realize that Ziemba didn't move off. It was indeed a chop block, and should have been called (the officials missed it, even though they were looking right at the foul). I disagree with people saying that he should be suspended.

WDE!
jb
Cianne
10-22-2007, 03:14 PM
Zone blocking leads to a lot of chop blocks that get missed when a guard or center attempts to cut the defensive player the other lineman is supposed to move off. It's a reason the Denver Broncos were hated for so many years and the reason it ended up with hefty fines in the NFL.
GvilleDave
10-22-2007, 03:37 PM
See the attached article concerning the chop block on Dorsey. I hope he's alright and that this in no way effects the balance of his year. With that said after reading this article (and several similar accounts from the AU coaches & players) I don't think it was an intentional thing.

Hopefully Dorsey & LSU can win out and represent the SEC and in particular the SEC west in the BCS NC.


Opelika-Auburn News | Both sides condemn chop block of LSU's Dorsey (http://www.oanow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=OAN%2FMGArticle%2FOAN_BasicArti cle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353202119&path=%21sports%21index.html)
thethird
10-22-2007, 03:37 PM
God Im getting tired of all the whiney LSU fans:glare:

No kidding. They win and still find something to bi#ch about.

I can't believe a LSU fan really trying to say AU doesn't get any respect. Ohhhhh yeah, that's right, because LSU fans have never been known to engage in any bad behavior. :glare:
GeauxTo
10-22-2007, 03:46 PM
God Im getting tired of all the whiney LSU fans:glare:

Ha-Ha-Ha
Zing!
:laugh:
Sannyasin
10-22-2007, 03:50 PM
BTW, the karate chops (especially the second one) were also suspendable to me. However, it did ultimately cost LSU the game and maybe their title shot so... I kind of feel ambivalent about additional penalties.
aufan
10-22-2007, 03:51 PM
Wonder why The Barn doesn't get any respect? Guess!
:angry:

no respect...interesting...kind of like LSU students...wonder why no respect:closedeye

BTW---is dorsey out for the season????
If not maybe this topic should be let go of....ridiculous----lets go back and look at the cheap shots LSU had against USC-----or we could call it history and bye bye
GeauxTo
10-22-2007, 04:05 PM
no respect...interesting...kind of like LSU students...wonder why no respect:closedeye

BTW---is dorsey out for the season????
If not maybe this topic should be let go of....ridiculous----lets go back and look at the cheap shots LSU had against USC-----or we could call it history and bye bye

Dorsey is okay. The article explained The Barn's point of view well. Everything is cool.
sully00
10-22-2007, 04:13 PM
After reviewing the youtube tape I will admit it seemed like it was intentional, I would go further than one game suspension.
raptorcox
10-22-2007, 04:17 PM
The guy that was locked up with Dorsey was completely legal and should not be suspended, but the one that was on the ground and chop blocked him should definetly be suspended.

Had Dorsey been really hurt and Auburn won, I think a lot more would have come from this....
autiger1126
10-22-2007, 04:52 PM
This is a dumb thread. The KID made a mistake. Either way, if we're going to suspend players for personal fouls, then all personal fouls should be deserving of suspensions. Why not suspend Steltz for hitting Hawthorne (I think this would be ridiculous by the way). It could have broken the kids neck. This isn't the NFL, we don't fine KIDS or suspend them unless they start beating people with their helmets.
Sannyasin
10-22-2007, 05:08 PM
The kid basically tried to take out a guy's knee.

Why shouldn't college kids get suspended if they engage in illegal activity that is intended to hurt other players? I don't understand why a college kid can't be suspended... what does being in college have to do with anything?
raptorcox
10-22-2007, 05:13 PM
Mistake?????

OK, so let's excuse bank robbers and drug dealers that are young and make a mistake.

The fact is, it was obvious that he intentionally tried to hurt another player. If this was in the NFL he would have gotten a huge fine and a game or two to think about it.....
aufan
10-22-2007, 05:26 PM
Good point---then we need to start suspending players who get late hits, players who have helmet to helmet, players who facemask with the 15 yd variety, players who spearhead, etc

ITS OVER-- LET IT GO:brick:

if he was hurt then maybe this would be a valid discussion but he is not hurt so lets give up on what should be done or would be done or could be done
Sannyasin
10-22-2007, 05:30 PM
None of the plays you mentioned would be suspendable at the pro-level. The pros have reasonable standards for suspensions.

If, for instance, someone stomped on a guy's head when he had his helmet off he should be suspended at the college level as well. College players should be held to the same standard as the NFL when it comes to endangering other players.
aufan
10-22-2007, 05:32 PM
None of the plays you mentioned would be suspendable at the pro-level. The pros have reasonable standards for suspensions.

If, for instance, someone stomped on a guy's head when he had his helmet off he should be suspended at the college level as well. College players should be held to the same standard as the NFL when it comes to endangering other players.


I dont care about what the NFL suspends players for---this is not the NFL----the subject was about players getting hurt---i believe those things i said can also get players hurt---thats the point
Sannyasin
10-22-2007, 05:36 PM
This video pretty much says it all:
YouTube - Retaliation on Gelnn Dorsey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlHdxUNc3kM&NR=1)


Suspension if the only reasonable thing to do, period.
crawfish
10-22-2007, 05:39 PM
God Im getting tired of all the whiney LSU fans:glare:

:boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:
Sannyasin
10-22-2007, 05:46 PM
I'm no LSU fan. I do however like Dorsey a lot and want o see him have a long NFL career.

The fact that the kid who chop blocked him got embarassed by Dorsey earlier in the game is high suspicious.
TPM
10-22-2007, 05:47 PM
I'm no LSU fan. I do however like Dorsey a lot and want o see him have a long NFL career.

The fact that the kid who chop blocked him got embarassed by Dorsey earlier in the game is high suspicious.

No doubt. I watched the replay last night and Mr. Dorsey had threw that guy down like a little biotch earlier.
AUFootball24
10-22-2007, 06:39 PM
Ramsy did it on purpose, that's obvious. What isn't obvious is if he meant to commit an illegal move. Tuberville explained that Ziemba was supposed to disengage from his block on Dorsey and take the MLB as he came though. Ziemba never did this, but if he had, Ramsy's block would have been perfectly legal.

Whether Tuberville is telling the truth or just backing up his guy, that's up to interpretation. It was a pretty cheap hit, though.
timNem
10-22-2007, 07:18 PM
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crimsonnation713
10-22-2007, 07:41 PM
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/timNem_2006/Tubervilles-Code-Red.gif

Thats funny I don't care who you are:laugh: !!!! GIT ER' DONE !!!!!!
raptorcox
10-22-2007, 07:48 PM
That looks even better on a site with a black background. LOL
aufan
10-22-2007, 07:58 PM
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/timNem_2006/Tubervilles-Code-Red.gif

that is some funny stuff:laugh:
i tried to posi rep u but wont let me :sad:
C_hris
10-22-2007, 08:01 PM
that is some funny stuff:laugh:
i tried to posi rep u but wont let me :sad:

I got him for ya. That was F-in funny.
aufan
10-22-2007, 08:13 PM
I got him for ya. That was F-in funny.

good deal---pretty creative on that one:thumpsup:
I am still laughing
uscrules
10-22-2007, 08:50 PM
I am still laughing.
Sannyasin
10-22-2007, 09:32 PM
Holy crap. What program did you use to do that? That's hilarious.
timNem
10-22-2007, 09:47 PM
Holy crap. What program did you use to do that? That's hilarious.I didn't make it, it was made by the infamous LSUFreek. I would say he used Adobe Flash to make it.
nooneLT
10-22-2007, 10:07 PM
Ramsy did it on purpose, that's obvious. What isn't obvious is if he meant to commit an illegal move. Tuberville explained that Ziemba was supposed to disengage from his block on Dorsey and take the MLB as he came though. Ziemba never did this, but if he had, Ramsy's block would have been perfectly legal.

Whether Tuberville is telling the truth or just backing up his guy, that's up to interpretation. It was a pretty cheap hit, though.

take a look at the video again and tell me whether the linebackers were coming. LBs did not get sucked in because it was an obvious pass play and there was no stunt.

it wasn't a zone block, a zone block is used in running plays, not pass plays. that was supposed to be pass pro and he knew what he was doing.