Mike And Mike In The Morning... On The BCS

[gatorunvrsty]

The guys were talking about what a travesty it is that SEC teams aren't getting more credit for playing the toughest schedules in the country... each other. They said no fewer than 5 teams in the SEC would beat anybody in the Top 10 of the BCS. They also said this is just further evidence of the need for a playoff. Mike Golic said it's ridiculous because tOSU has the 117th ranked strength of schedule this year. And Greenberg agreed, saying they could sleep-walk through their pathetic schedule, and waltz into the NCG. He said, "Look at last year, where tOSU was ranked #1 all year long; and Florida, who almost didn't even make the game, came in there and wiped the field with them." :thumbs:

Of course, this is no secret to all of us; but, it's nice to finally see some national exposure on the inequities of the system. Especially from an ESPN show. Fueling the debate can't hurt; and anyone looking at the facts from a realistic and unbiased standpoint can't disagree. Nobody plays more ranked teams throughout the season than SEC teams. We have no choice... the ranked teams are conference foes.

[sheluvsbama]

It's true. The SEC is our own little planet. We have all our little inner struggles, but we are the core. The other conferences may not be as self-involved as we are, but that kind of focus has served to make us a special force in the world of football. We would love to play teams from other conferences, but they aren't knocking our doors down trying to get there first. :laugh:

[WESB]

I would like to see perenniall loser Vandy make a bowl and thrash a PAC or Big # team. Preferably one that ESPN sucks up to.

[gatorunvrsty]

I would like to see perenniall loser Vandy make a bowl and thrash a PAC or Big # team. Preferably one that ESPN sucks up to.

What always amuses me is when a "big" 10 fan crows about Michigan beating Vandy 27-7 last year.:blink: Uuummm, Michigan is arguably the best program in the "big" 10, and the all-time winningest program in all of college football. Vandy is normally the worst or next to worst team in the SEC every year; and doesn't even have an athletic director. Real impressive... great thing to hang your hat on when you're talking about the SEC vs. the "big" 10.:laugh:

[Chinaski]

Absolutely right. I mean let their best play our best and i am sure the result will never be much different than the result of last years NC game between Ohio State and Florida :)

[C_hris]

Absolutely right. I mean let their best play our best and i am sure the result will never be much different than the result of last years NC game between Ohio State and Florida :)


That happened last year and they beat us in overall bowl victories. :wacko:

[Chinaski]

Read proplerly. Their best vs. our best and last year it was Ohio State vs. Florida. I assume you know the result. I dont see this trend coming to an end in near future.

[gatorunvrsty]

That happened last year and they beat us in overall bowl victories. :wacko:

They beat the teams that tried to play smash mouth football with the smash mouth football conference. Nutt and Fulmer were fools. SEC strength resides in speed and finesse. I also don't know where they keep getting that 1-3 figure. The SEC only played the "big" 10 in 3 bowls last year; and it was 1-2. We exposed the "big" 10 as far as how to beat them... run circles around them.:thumpsup:

[C_hris]

They beat the teams that tried to play smash mouth football with the smash mouth football conference. Nutt and Fulmer were fools. SEC strength resides in speed and finesse. I also don't know where they keep getting that 1-3 figure. The SEC only played the "big" 10 in 3 bowls last year; and it was 1-2. We exposed the "big" 10 as far as how to beat them... run circles around them.:thumpsup:


Agreed. I hope knowshon gets a chance to break some tackles this year against one of em'

[gatorunvrsty]

Agreed. I hope knowshon gets a chance to break some tackles this year against one of em'

I see no reason why he wouldn't. He's a good, shifty back. He'll need to step up in a hurry and play well the rest of the year. Didn't one of UGA's backs just go down for the year?

[C_hris]

I see no reason why he wouldn't. He's a good, shifty back. He'll need to step up in a hurry and play well the rest of the year. Didn't one of UGA's backs just go down for the year?


Two.

Brown is out for a couple of games with a broken collarbone.

Lumpkin is out for the year with a knee injury.
he could be able to play in a bowl game.


Not good considering our offense revolves around the multiple back system. But our fullback Southerland will be getting more power carries when we need one or two yards to give Moreno a break.

[GatorNation]

The guys were talking about what a travesty it is that SEC teams aren't getting more credit for playing the toughest schedules in the country... each other. They said no fewer than 5 teams in the SEC would beat anybody in the Top 10 of the BCS. They also said this is just further evidence of the need for a playoff. Mike Golic said it's ridiculous because tOSU has the 117th ranked strength of schedule this year. And Greenberg agreed, saying they could sleep-walk through their pathetic schedule, and waltz into the NCG.

It's just like the Nebraska and OU teams of the 70s, 80s, and early 90s. The schedule is just practice for the one rivalry game every year....the winner usually played in the Orange Bowl for the nc, and the loser would get a lower tier bowl against Georgia Tech or something.

[gatorunvrsty]

It's just like the Nebraska and OU teams of the 70s, 80s, and early 90s. The schedule is just practice for the one rivalry game every year....the winner usually played in the Orange Bowl for the nc, and the loser would get a lower tier bowl against Georgia Tech or something.

To a certain extent, it was just like that for ThugU in the '80's, too... beating Big East teams to death to prepare for a NC game. Same with F$U spurning the SEC, in favor of getting to beat up a bunch of basketball teams in the ACC; on their way to the token ACC Championship, undefeated season, and appearance in the NCG... provided they got by their one tough opponent all year, Florida. And, because of that petty schedule, they always came into our game healthy and fresh, while we came into the game beat to hell from the rigorous SEC schedule.

[Chivas]

No fever then 5? Which 5 SEC teams are they talking about?

LSU, Florida and Auburn - Yes

Everyone else - not so much, maybe Kentucky, maybe USC, but that's pushing it
After those two teams you start hitting teams in the SEC like bama (beat by florida state) and Tennesse (stomped by Cal)

I'd say 3, maybe 4 of our top teams could wax the regular top 10.

[gatorunvrsty]

No fever then 5? Which 5 SEC teams are they talking about?

LSU, Florida and Auburn - Yes

Everyone else - not so much, maybe Kentucky, maybe USC, but that's pushing it
After those two teams you start hitting teams in the SEC like bama (beat by florida state) and Tennesse (stomped by Cal)

I'd say 3, maybe 4 of our top teams could wax the regular top 10.

UK and, to a lesser extent, USC, would beat BC probably 8 of 10 times. UK, this year, would likely beat any of them as often as lose to them.

[cocky4ever]

To a certain extent, it was just like that for ThugU in the '80's, too... beating Big East teams to death to prepare for a NC game. Same with F$U spurning the SEC, in favor of getting to beat up a bunch of basketball teams in the ACC; on their way to the token ACC Championship, undefeated season, and appearance in the NCG... provided they got by their one tough opponent all year, Florida. And, because of that petty schedule, they always came into our game healthy and fresh, while we came into the game beat to hell from the rigorous SEC schedule.

I agree about the FSU thing but Miami was an Independant in the 80's and actually came up with some hard schedules while they were on their run.

Miami Game by Game Results (http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/miami/yearly_results.php?year=1980)

Miami Game by Game Results (http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/miami/yearly_results.php?year=1985)

[Bulldog Bry]

I heard the end of the show this morning, and I would agree for the most part, but.............SEC teams have to start doing one thing - taking the bowl games more seriously or college fans will stop believing it.

Michigan over Florida
Iowa over LSU
WV over Georgia
Penn St over UT
etc, etc, etc

[gatorunvrsty]

I heard the end of the show this morning, and I would agree for the most part, but.............SEC teams have to start doing one thing - taking the bowl games more seriously or college fans will stop believing it.

Michigan over Florida
Iowa over LSU
WV over Georgia
Penn St over UT
etc, etc, etc

When are those bowl games from? I know about a couple, and you can't win every bowl game every year, but I can list 3 times that many showing the SEC over so-and-so. UF lost all 3 of its bowl games under Con Fluke. We're 2-0 vs. the 10 in bowl games with Meyer. We're (SEC) regularly ranked ahead of all the other conferences in every conceivable facet. I don't know if we'll ever be moved out of the all-time best conference position. If you look at this graph, you'll see we've had more than our share of bowl game success. Conference All-Time Rankings (http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_conf_rankings.php) We aren't going to win every one; but we win far more than we lose.

[GatorNation]

I heard the end of the show this morning, and I would agree for the most part, but.............SEC teams have to start doing one thing - taking the bowl games more seriously or college fans will stop believing it.

Michigan over Florida
Iowa over LSU
WV over Georgia
Penn St over UT
etc, etc, etc


Florida had the Zooker....he costs his team 7-14 points just by coaching. We throttled Iowa in 2005.

Georgia seemed to be in a daze in that game, and I think they underestimated WVU. They dominated the second half after they woke up, and it took a fake punt for Rodriguez to pull it out.

Tennessee still looked like the better team, and I thought that even after the game was over. It was a sloppy, turnover-filled game that favored PSU, but I had the distinct impression that PSU would have lost 9 times if they replayed the game 10 times.

I think you're right, though....it may be a tough thing to get "up" for a bowl game when everyone targets Atlanta. A bowl game with a tie-in that doesn't involve the top-2 SEC teams is anti-climactic for our conference.

[raptorcox]

UK and, to a lesser extent, USC, would beat BC probably 8 of 10 times. UK, this year, would likely beat any of them as often as lose to them.

It still amazes me how people constantly put Kentucky so far ahead of USC when USC is the only team to basically manhandle Kentucky this year.

[Sannyasin]

Manhandle? That's iffy.
No doubt USC was the better team that day (at home), but it was a turnover-fueled game in which UK won the total yardage battle.

[CatScratchFever]

In My Opinion the winner of the SEC Championship should be the National Champion. lol
But in all seriousness we have the toughest conference by far.

[raptorcox]

Manhandle? That's iffy.
No doubt USC was the better team that day (at home), but it was a turnover-fueled game in which UK won the total yardage battle.

OK, maybe manhandle is a bit strong, but it was still a 15 point win...... forget the stats, stats don't matter at all and we knew before the game that Kentucky would outstat USC.

My point isn't really to put UK down as y'all are an excellent team. I just find it a bit odd that every single list I see Kentucky is ranked ahead of USC like it is some sort of given.

Not that any of our OPINIONS really matter because it won't change what happened on the field....... wish I could somehow change the Vandy outcome though. :sad:

[azamugg]

In My Opinion the winner of the SEC Championship should be the National Champion. lol
But in all seriousness we have the toughest conference by far.

welcome catscratchfever!

[CatScratchFever]

Thanks man. I found this forum couple months ago and finally got down to signing up.

[UKat]

It still amazes me how people constantly put Kentucky so far ahead of USC when USC is the only team to basically manhandle Kentucky this year.And your the only USC fan on this board that claims y'all manhandled us........what is your idea of manhandling?

[Sannyasin]

He backed off the manhandling claim... let it die.

[Bulldog Bry]

When are those bowl games from? I know about a couple, and you can't win every bowl game every year, but I can list 3 times that many showing the SEC over so-and-so. UF lost all 3 of its bowl games under Con Fluke. We're 2-0 vs. the 10 in bowl games with Meyer. We're (SEC) regularly ranked ahead of all the other conferences in every conceivable facet. I don't know if we'll ever be moved out of the all-time best conference position. If you look at this graph, you'll see we've had more than our share of bowl game success. Conference All-Time Rankings (http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_conf_rankings.php) We aren't going to win every one; but we win far more than we lose.

These are all games dating back to 2003 that just pissed me off. Games the SEC team had no business losing. If we're going to flex our muscles as a conference, we can't just hang our hat on UF over OSU for one year.
I forgot to mention USC over Arky last year.
When someone says "the SEC is the best conference and it's not even close", I want to see our #4 team wipe the floor with another conferences #2 team. That's all I'm saying.

[CatScratchFever]

I know USC beat us this time. But in all honesty we beat ourselves. We practically handed USC 14 points and misfired on a couple easy touchdowns that we got no points from. Just throwing that out there.

[gatorunvrsty]

I agree about the FSU thing but Miami was an Independant in the 80's and actually came up with some hard schedules while they were on their run.

Miami Game by Game Results (http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/miami/yearly_results.php?year=1980)

Miami Game by Game Results (http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/miami/yearly_results.php?year=1985)

Well, you're right, that was the case for the '80's; but they did run the Big East from '91 to '03, and grab 2 NC's during that span.:thumpsup:

[Bongo]

Yep.... Vandy vs Notre Dame. My bets are on vandy

[gatorunvrsty]

These are all games dating back to 2003 that just pissed me off. Games the SEC team had no business losing. If we're going to flex our muscles as a conference, we can't just hang our hat on UF over OSU for one year.
I forgot to mention USC over Arky last year.
When someone says "the SEC is the best conference and it's not even close", I want to see our #4 team wipe the floor with another conferences #2 team. That's all I'm saying.

Oh, I can agree with that completely. The game that upset me even more than that USC/Arky game, was the Arky/Wisconsin bowl game last year. Arky had just proved to be the second best team in the SEC; and then went into that game, and played conservative, "big" 10 style ball against an overrated Wisconsin team that was ready for that type of game. Same with UT/Penn State. Why Fulmer thought it was a good idea to try the ground and pound game against Linebacker U., instead of taking advantage of his speed and skill players, I'll never know.:brick: I just wanted to get my hands around his neck during that game.

[KillerNut]

Absolutely right. I mean let their best play our best and i am sure the result will never be much different than the result of last years NC game between Ohio State and Florida :)

I seriously doubt that result will ever happen again. You bet your ass that the tOSU players learnt their lesson last year after being completely embarrassed. To say that Florida is overall better than Ohio State is just ridiculous. We both have the same caliber of athletes, facilities, coaches, etc.... tOSU was complacent in the NC game and showed it. Florida had something to prove after almost being snubbed by the BCS and the media and the Buckeye players thought they were going to go into Glendale and waltz all over the Gators without putting forth much effort. Well the Gators hit us with everything they had and were totally relentless againist us. They were the better team that day and deserved to win. :thumpsup:

BTW everyone, just go ahead and keep talking trash about OOC teams. The Florida and LSU fans are sounding very sure of themselves just the same as we Buckeye fans felt last year. If tOSU does play LSU or Florida in the NC this year, I would be willing to bet that both teams will overlook us and take us lightly thinking they have a sure win after Florida's convincing win last year. That could be danger. Just look at how crazy this season has been thus far. :ohmy:

Also GU, you point to the fact that Michigan beat Vandy 27-7 last year. Well that is a lot better than Florida did againist them last year letting Vandy score 19 againist you them for a 25-19 final score. :wacko:

[GatorChomp]

Vanderbilt also has a lot more motivation to beat a Florida team.

That is a bull crap excuse that Ohio State "overlooked" Florida and thus got killed. That is probably part of the reason, but teams "overlooking" other teams don't lose games 41-14. Overlooking a subordinate team would have a much smaller margin of victory for the underdog. 41-14 shows that one team is clearly better than the other.

[sheluvsbama]

Vanderbilt also has a lot more motivation to beat a Florida team.

That is a bull crap excuse that Ohio State "overlooked" Florida and thus got killed. That is probably part of the reason, but teams "overlooking" other teams don't lose games 41-14. Overlooking a subordinate team would have a much smaller margin of victory for the underdog. 41-14 shows that one team is clearly better than the other.

There is no way in the world that Florida was "overlooked". We know that.:laugh:

[Hungryneck]

And your the only USC fan on this board that claims y'all manhandled us........what is your idea of manhandling?


No he's not. USC dominated UK. Every time UK closed to within 8 in the 2nd half USC responded with a TD. When you needed to stop us we imposed our will on you. That's domination.

[Tator]

There is no way in the world that Florida was "overlooked". We know that.:laugh:

If the "overlooking" issue is true, what was tOSU overlooking Florida for?...The off season?... Recruiting?...Spring camp?...Two-a-days?

[gatorunvrsty]

I seriously doubt that result will ever happen again. You bet your ass that the tOSU players learnt their lesson last year after being completely embarrassed. To say that Florida is overall better than Ohio State is just ridiculous. We both have the same caliber of athletes, facilities, coaches, etc.... tOSU was complacent in the NC game and showed it. Florida had something to prove after almost being snubbed by the BCS and the media and the Buckeye players thought they were going to go into Glendale and waltz all over the Gators without putting forth much effort. Well the Gators hit us with everything they had and were totally relentless againist us. They were the better team that day and deserved to win. :thumpsup:

BTW everyone, just go ahead and keep talking trash about OOC teams. The Florida and LSU fans are sounding very sure of themselves just the same as we Buckeye fans felt last year. If tOSU does play LSU or Florida in the NC this year, I would be willing to bet that both teams will overlook us and take us lightly thinking they have a sure win after Florida's convincing win last year. That could be danger. Just look at how crazy this season has been thus far. :ohmy:

Also GU, you point to the fact that Michigan beat Vandy 27-7 last year. Well that is a lot better than Florida did againist them last year letting Vandy score 19 againist you them for a 25-19 final score. :wacko:

We're always going to get a better game from Vandy than anybody else. They're a conference foe in our division, and give us fits every year, no matter how good we are. It took like 3 or 4 overtimes to get rid of them a few years ago. It's only natural when you've beaten a team 16 times in a row. The only other team we've handled like that is UK (21 times in a row).

I don't know where anyone from UF's camp has been sounding confident. Most of us have been quite humble this year, after some pretty poor showings against AU and Ole Miss. It's just that we don't think tOSU would be undefeated in our conference... and we're pretty certain of that.

As for the NCG last year... c'mon; even Tressel said y'all were hyped and pumped for the game. I didn't see any Buckeyes not excited about the game after the first 30 seconds, when Ginn ran the kickoff back. Did they get lackluster right after that, or something? It really didn't matter what tOSU tried... we dominated every facet of the game. We moved the ball at will, and scored when and how we wanted. Our defense punished Heisman all night long, and the man ended up 4-14 for 35 yards with an interception. You're whole team rushed for a grand total of 47 yards. That's 82 yards of total offense, Nut.:ohmy: And, let's not forget that UF was on your 7 yard line at the end of the game. If Leak doesn't run the clock out on purpose, we're looking at 48-14. Total offense for the Gators: 370 yards (156 on the ground and 214 through the air).

As I've said before, y'all may be great; but, you haven't proved it by me yet.

[KillerNut]

We're always going to get a better game from Vandy than anybody else. They're a conference foe in our division, and give us fits every year, no matter how good we are. It took like 3 or 4 overtimes to get rid of them a few years ago. It's only natural when you've beaten a team 16 times in a row. The only other team we've handled like that is UK (21 times in a row).

I don't know where anyone from UF's camp has been sounding confident. Most of us have been quite humble this year, after some pretty poor showings against AU and Ole Miss. It's just that we don't think tOSU would be undefeated in our conference... and we're pretty certain of that.

As for the NCG last year... c'mon; even Tressel said y'all were hyped and pumped for the game. I didn't see any Buckeyes not excited about the game after the first 30 seconds, when Ginn ran the kickoff back. Did they get lackluster right after that, or something? It really didn't matter what tOSU tried... we dominated every facet of the game. We moved the ball at will, and scored when and how we wanted. Our defense punished Heisman all night long, and the man ended up 4-14 for 35 yards with an interception. You're whole team rushed for a grand total of 47 yards. That's 82 yards of total offense, Nut.:ohmy: And, let's not forget that UF was on your 7 yard line at the end of the game. If Leak doesn't run the clock out on purpose, we're looking at 48-14. Total offense for the Gators: 370 yards (156 on the ground and 214 through the air).

As I've said before, y'all may be great; but, you haven't proved it by me yet.

I agree that you guys did dominate us in every part of the game. That was the first time that I have ever seen Tressel with a dumbfounded look on his face because he is usually a great big game coach. Everything Troy Smith tried to do was shutdown by your d-line. What we should have done in that game is run more in which you guys had a some trouble stopping and that I believe would've worked againist you. Thats what our big O-line does best and it wouldn't had mattered how fast your defensive front is, but you can't run when your down by 3 or 4 scores. Ginn Jr. getting hurt on that kickoff return killed a little bit of Tressel's gameplan for the game but I believe that Pittman and Wells would've torn you guys up if we would have stuck with the run. Why we didn't is another reason I am trying to figure out. What I am trying to confront is these idiots on here that think that tOSU isn't in the same caliber as LSU, UF, USCw, Cal, Oklahoma, etc... That is just BS and obviously they don't know that much about football. Maybe there just ignorant and jealous that they aren't number #1. :wink: It's not the classy"er" UF or LSU fans on here saying that so much. Its the other newbies that are fans of other schools that have no chance. :laugh:

[suedon70]

What I am trying to confront is these idiots on here that think that tOSU isn't in the same caliber as LSU, UF, USCw, Cal, Oklahoma, etc... That is just BS and obviously they don't know that much about football. Maybe there just ignorant and jealous that they aren't number #1. :wink: It's not the classy"er" UF or LSU fans on here saying that so much. Its the other newbies that are fans of other schools that have no chance. :laugh:

Great post! :thumpsup:

I agree with gatorunvrsty: most of the Gator fans on here have been humble, considering the loses this year vs Auburn & LSU. I think the point most on here have made is that the SEC is again a very competitive conference this year. The Big 10 overall is down this year, no doubt about it, but that shouldn't discount what OSU has accomplished this year.

[KillerNut]

Great post! :thumpsup:

I agree with gatorunvrsty: most of the Gator fans on here have been humble, considering the loses this year vs Auburn & LSU. I think the point most on here have made is that the SEC is again a very competitive conference this year. The Big 10 overall is down this year, no doubt about it, but that shouldn't discount what OSU has accomplished this year.

Thanks. Great post btw and I totally agree. 95% of the Gator fans on this board are great classy posters whom I have had a lot of good conversations with. Same with most of the LSU fans on here. Thanks for being a rational poster. :thumpsup:

[azamugg]

If the "overlooking" issue is true, what was tOSU overlooking Florida for?...The off season?... Recruiting?...Spring camp?...Two-a-days?

yea, like they were thinking "okay, we've made it to the NC game but damn I cant concentrate, since we're going rollerskating tomorrow....thats gonna be a blast"

[raptorcox]

No he's not. USC dominated UK. Every time UK closed to within 8 in the 2nd half USC responded with a TD. When you needed to stop us we imposed our will on you. That's domination.

Yeah, just to avoid this debate I withdrew the manhandle part of it because it really doesn't matter, but we beat Kentucky worse than LSU beat us..... that's a fact.... and I know that we were soundly beaten by LSU and didn't deserve to win that game.

I think a 15 point win (2 TD+) is a pretty sound beating unless it is one of those games where a team is up by 7 and the other team is forced to go for it late in the game and a turnover goes for a TD making the final score not at all indicative of how the game really was.

That game, however, was a 2 TD game for a good bit of it, so I think the term manhandle pretty much applies, but again, it isn't worth debating over.

We got the win, then failed to show up for Vanderbilt of all teams. :sad:

[raptorcox]

I agree that you guys did dominate us in every part of the game. That was the first time that I have ever seen Tressel with a dumbfounded look on his face because he is usually a great big game coach. Everything Troy Smith tried to do was shutdown by your d-line. What we should have done in that game is run more in which you guys had a some trouble stopping and that I believe would've worked againist you. Thats what our big O-line does best and it wouldn't had mattered how fast your defensive front is, but you can't run when your down by 3 or 4 scores. Ginn Jr. getting hurt on that kickoff return killed a little bit of Tressel's gameplan for the game but I believe that Pittman and Wells would've torn you guys up if we would have stuck with the run. Why we didn't is another reason I am trying to figure out. What I am trying to confront is these idiots on here that think that tOSU isn't in the same caliber as LSU, UF, USCw, Cal, Oklahoma, etc... That is just BS and obviously they don't know that much about football. Maybe there just ignorant and jealous that they aren't number #1. :wink: It's not the classy"er" UF or LSU fans on here saying that so much. Its the other newbies that are fans of other schools that have no chance. :laugh:


Was Tressel not the OSU coach for the Back to Back Outback Bowls?

I went to the first one ad can tell you they were pretty much dominated by USC and looked dumbfounded. I realize that was a several years back, but it isn't the first time he has looked lost.

[KillerNut]

Was Tressel not the OSU coach for the Back to Back Outback Bowls?

I went to the first one ad can tell you they were pretty much dominated by USC and looked dumbfounded. I realize that was a several years back, but it isn't the first time he has looked lost.

No, that was our previous coach, John Cooper.