Current Schedule Strengths

[shanksta13]

Here is a listing of current schedule strengths per the NCAA:

6. Florida
8. Georgia
15. Kentucky
17. Auburn
25. South Carolina
26. Vanderbilt
30. Mississippi State
32. Tennessee
34. Ole Miss
38. LSU
41. Alabama
55. Arkansas

Here is a link to the website:
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2007/Internet/toughest%20schedule/ia_9games_cumm.pdf

[raptorcox]

Here is a listing of current schedule strengths per the NCAA:

25. South Carolina

Here is a link to the website:
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2007/Internet/toughest%20schedule/ia_9games_cumm.pdf

UNC and a few other OOC patsies really hurt our SOS I see.

[shanksta13]

UNC and a few other OOC patsies really hurt our SOS I see.

In general, the SEC has hurt it's strength of schedule with some poor out of conference performances and knocking each other off more than ever this year.

[gatoraus]

KN is going to be pretty pumped when he sees tOSU is 18th. It makes me sick to see how low Oklahoma is, yet they are still 4th with a loss. They barely beat Iowa State this past weekend.

[FanSmack]

Gators typically seem to have the hardest out of the SEC teams even though our out of conference games are the weakest... little strange.

[JerryBeeds]

Gators typically seem to have the hardest out of the SEC teams even though our out of conference games are the weakest... little strange.

Probably because you have LSU plus the East schedule every year.

[raptorcox]

KN is going to be pretty pumped when he sees tOSU is 18th. It makes me sick to see how low Oklahoma is, yet they are still 4th with a loss. They barely beat Iowa State this past weekend.

Just my opinion, but I still think Oklahoma is one of the best teams in the Nation and deserves to be where they are ranked.

No teams this year have looked great every week and we all know LSU is very fortunate to be where they are right now.

I still feel BC is overrated, but until they lose......

[The Ramp]

how is LSU so low? we played three top ten teams (KY, Flor, VT) , one top 15 team (SC) and one top 25 (Aub). I know Tulane and MTSU are pretty bad but State's not that bad. Interesting...

[The Ramp]

Just my opinion, but I still think Oklahoma is one of the best teams in the Nation and deserves to be where they are ranked.

No teams this year have looked great every week and we all know LSU is very fortunate to be where they are right now.

I still feel BC is overrated, but until they lose......

KY was also very fortunate to beat us so that works both ways

[FanSmack]

It's about opponent standings. It can change by the end of the year. If UF wins out and the rest of the teams you play only lose to you. It will make your strength of schedule go up.

[True Grit]

Thanks for losing to Vandy to SC. Really hurt LSU's SOS.:brick:

[raptorcox]

KY was also very fortunate to beat us so that works both ways

Wasn't saying that it didn't.

The poster I quoted said that Oklahoma had struggled in a win one or two weeks and I merely said that LSU had as well.

So you are 100% correct, it works both ways.

[The Ramp]

Wasn't saying that it didn't.

The poster I quoted said that Oklahoma had struggled in a win one or two weeks and I merely said that LSU had as well.

So you are 100% correct, it works both ways.

gotcha:thumpsup:

[raptorcox]

Thanks for losing to Vandy to SC. Really hurt LSU's SOS.:brick:

I think it makes more sense to handle your own business since you can't rely on other teams winning. Had LSU beaten Kentucky you wouldn't have any issues right now and would be the unanymous #1.

[The Ramp]

I still don't get this...Miles loses to KY and is widely considered to be an underachiever...SS loses to Vandy and gets a pass....

[raptorcox]

I still don't get this...Miles loses to KY and is widely considered to be an underachiever...SS loses to Vandy and gets a pass....

What's not to get?

LSU was predicted by most "experts" to win the National Championship this year.

USC was already a game ahead of where most people thought they would be by beating UGA. So even with this terrible loss to Vandy, at 6-2 we are right where most of the experts figured we would be at this stage of the season. The Vandy loss really kills any momentum that we had, but USC wasn't predicted to win the SEC or the MNC this year, so it is understandable that us being upset isn't AS BIG of a deal.

Doesn't that make sense?

I will tell you this..... Spurrier beat Kentucky with the talent that we have. If Spurrier had as much talent as LSU has and was as deep as y'all are, then him being upset would have been major headlines Nationwide.

[gatoraus]

Wasn't saying that it didn't.

The poster I quoted said that Oklahoma had struggled in a win one or two weeks and I merely said that LSU had as well.

So you are 100% correct, it works both ways.

I totally agree with you. It is just that most teams struggle some weekends because they are playing a quality opponent. Oklahoma has one ranked opponent on its schedule this year, which happens to be Texas. Personally, I don't think they are that great of a team either. I just think if you are going to play one ranked team the whole year, you should have to win out to be considered a championship caliber team. People are giving OSU grief, but they are undefeated and have a tougher schedule. I just couldn't imagine if the Gators had one game all year where they had to bring their "A" game.

[True Grit]

I think it makes more sense to handle your own business since you can't rely on other teams winning. Had LSU beaten Kentucky you wouldn't have any issues right now and would be the unanymous #1.

No, our SOS would still be the same.

[True Grit]

What's not to get?

LSU was predicted by most "experts" to win the National Championship this year.

USC was already a game ahead of where most people thought they would be by beating UGA. So even with this terrible loss to Vandy, at 6-2 we are right where most of the experts figured we would be at this stage of the season. The Vandy loss really kills any momentum that we had, but USC wasn't predicted to win the SEC or the MNC this year, so it is understandable that us being upset isn't AS BIG of a deal.

Doesn't that make sense?

I will tell you this..... Spurrier beat Kentucky with the talent that we have. If Spurrier had as much talent as LSU has and was as deep as y'all are, then him being upset would have been major headlines Nationwide.


This is stupid. Losing to UK is a MUCH better loss than losing to Vandy. And do I need to remind you who beat Spurrier a few weeks ago?

[raptorcox]

This is stupid. Losing to UK is a MUCH better loss than losing to Vandy. And do I need to remind you who beat Spurrier a few weeks ago?

Nothing stupid about it.....

USC was predicted to basically do nothing this year.

LSU was expected by some to win it all.

How hard is it to understand that EXPECTATIONS play a large role in how people react when the team loses?

We both know that Kentucky is much better than Vandy this year. I never meant to say anything that would lead you to think that that wasn't a well known fact.

But as I said, most people expected USC to be 5-2 at best at this point in the season. We won one game that most didn't think we would and now we have lost one that most didn't think we would, so according to EXPECTATIONS from the preseason, our record is still where it should be at 6-2..... even better than some people expected.

LSU was expected to win it all by a lot of people's beliefs (mine included and I publicly stated so and still think they will). While Kentucky is a very solid club this year, that game was still one that LSU should have won.

I honestly think that LSU wins INSPITE OF Les Miles and not because of him. I thought last year that y'all were better than Florida and I think again this year that y'all are the best tam in the Nation.

If y'all don't win the MNC at least 1 of those 2 years, can you honestly say that you wouldn't be very disappointed and questioning Les Miles?

[raptorcox]

No, our SOS would still be the same.

Your SOS would be the same, but you would be undefeated and ranked #1......

[The Ramp]

that makes no sense to me. SC got upset by a team with a losing record. LSU got upset by a top 15 team. Miles=idiot & SS=genius. it doesn't add up.

[JerryBeeds]

that makes no sense to me. SC got upset by a team with a losing record. LSU got upset by a top 15 team. Miles=idiot & SS=genius. it doesn't add up.

Your team is vastly superior to ours in every facet from a talent standpoint. I think that has something to do with it.

[The Ramp]

Your team is vastly superior to ours in every facet from a talent standpoint. I think that has something to do with it.

the talent discrepancy at LSU to KY is the same with SC to Vandy.

let's take to another conference. How the hell could Carroll lose to Stanford?

[raptorcox]

Your team is vastly superior to ours in every facet from a talent standpoint. I think that has something to do with it.

That is what I have been trying to say.

LSU > USC

KY > VAN

EXPECTATIONS are much higher for LSU, thus a much bigger deal is made out of it when they lose.

USC had no shot at a National Championship and the Vandy loss didn't ruin an MNC type season.

KY likely didn't ruin your season either, but if you lose one more or don't get a few breaks (other teams losing ahead of you), then it could cost you the MNC.

It's all about expectations.....

[raptorcox]

the talent discrepancy at LSU to KY is the same with SC to Vandy.

let's take to another conference. How the hell could Carroll lose to Stanford?

Let me also put it this way..... evidently most people didn't punish LSU for losing to KY as much as they did USC for losing to Vandy.


#1 LSU fell to #5 after losing to KY......

#6 USC fell to #15 after losing to Vandy......

I think the reason most feel that Les Miles is an idiot has little to do with his team losing to Kentucky and a lot more to do with his crazy calls that have miraculously helped ya'll to win 2 games (FLA and AUB) that could have easily gone the other way.

As I mentioned earlier, I think LSU is just so danged talented that they are winning INSPITE OF Les Miles and not because of him.

[The Ramp]

it's hard for me to take ya'll too seriously when ya'll refuse to give him any credit.

it's just easy to say Les sucks w/o any real thought to it as if he's the only coach in america who lost a game he should have won.

[Bulldog Bry]

I've never understood the hatred for Miles. How is it that a Spurrier or Tubberville could make some of the same calls and have them be "gutsy", yet Miles makes them and he's just the "crazy old hat"?

It just doesn't seem fair that he will only get respect if he wins a MNC.

[gatorunvrsty]

Your team is vastly superior to ours in every facet from a talent standpoint. I think that has something to do with it.

Exactly. LSU has superior talent to USC, so a loss to UK looks much worse than a USC loss to Vandy. Just like a UK poster said the other day: They haven't had a Top 25 recruiting class in his memory, if ever. Call it unrealistic or irrational if you want, but most observers expected LSU to roll over UK like a steamroller over a snail. USC has only recently gotten good classes; so, their loss to Vandy doesn't seem so outrageous. It wasn't that long ago that you could lump USC, Vandy, UK, and MSU in a group at the bottom of the SEC.

[uscrules]

I will say this, the lost to Vandy yesterday was the first loss that I can remember Spurrier having since he arrived at Carolina in a game that he was favored to win. I think that is an incredible stat. I think I may have jinked him anyway because I was talking to a couple of friends of mine that are Clemson fans and that is just the point that we agreed on. Spurrier always wins the games he is supposed to and Bowden does not. Well, I guess the streak had to end sometime. ON a sidenote, I think the bonehead play at the end of the Auburn game last night, even though it won the game, was very close to the dumbest call I have ever wittnessed. If the pass is incomplete or is intercepted, he loses, Kick the field goal and win.

[Chivas]

People throw this arguement at Les that he's expected to win or compete for a national title with his team and that because he hasn't, he isn't a good coach. I don't understand this at all. It is so terribly, terribly hard to make it to the NC that even the divine one himself (Spurrier/Saban, depending on who responds to this) would have problems making it year after year, even with LSU's talent. National Championships come from a combo of ability, coaching, and a lot of luck. Miles continues to finish in the top 10 every year, and that's darn good.

Look at Pete Carrol, he didn't make the NC last year with all of USC's talent, does that make him a bad coach? Heck no. Look at <insert great coach here>. Heck, look at how many NC's Saban and Spurrier have played for. Les will get there, just give him time.

[DELTOR]

Southern Cal not even on the list? Enough said.

[gatorunvrsty]

Here are a few other takes on schedule strength:

This one, unlike the NCAA SOS, doesn't take historical team strength into account; but only uses the records of the opponents in games THIS YEAR.

College Football Ratings Page (http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cfsend.htm)

This one is quite different, too.

College Football Strength of Schedule From Mike Greenfield's Team Rankings (http://teamrankings.com/ncf/27powerratings.php3)

This one shows current, modified, and likely ending SOS.

* College Football, Strength of Schedule*by*Football Frontier (http://www.solecismic.com/frontierblog/?p=95)

Another:

GBE College Football Ratings (http://www.gberatings.com/sos/)

The thing I like about these is, I don't think any of them use past records of teams and conferences to determine the SOS. They use the current records of teams to arrive at schedule strength... and that's how it should be. Just because "We used to be a powerhouse" University was great 5 or 10 years ago, that shouldn't be factored in as a quality win if they've gone 4-8 every season since then... it's not a true reflection of how good or bad a team currently is.

[sheluvsbama]

Here are a few other takes on schedule strength:

This one, unlike the NCAA SOS, doesn't take historical team strength into account; but only uses the records of the opponents in games THIS YEAR.

College Football Ratings Page (http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cfsend.htm)

This one is quite different, too.

College Football Strength of Schedule From Mike Greenfield's Team Rankings (http://teamrankings.com/ncf/27powerratings.php3)

This one shows current, modified, and likely ending SOS.

* College Football, Strength of Schedule*by*Football Frontier (http://www.solecismic.com/frontierblog/?p=95)

Another:

GBE College Football Ratings (http://www.gberatings.com/sos/)

The thing I like about these is, I don't think any of them use past records of teams and conferences to determine the SOS. They use the current records of teams to arrive at schedule strength... and that's how it should be. Just because "We used to be a powerhouse" University was great 5 or 10 years ago, that shouldn't be factored in as a quality win if they've gone 4-8 every season since then... it's not a true reflection of how good or bad a team currently is.

Very fair assessment. The past is the past and the present is now.:happy:

[volimhtown]

This thread was started on a SOS rating that takes absolutely NOTHING into account besides current wins and losses. Had LSU beaten Kentucky, their SOS would have gone down simply because the cumulutive record of their opponents would have been worse. In other words, playing a 1-loss team (i.e. Connecticut or Virginia) strengthens your schedule more than playing Florida for instance. To me this is way too simplistic, is not any kind of realistic measure and therefor not worth debating. JMHO

[gatorunvrsty]

This thread was started on a SOS rating that takes absolutely NOTHING into account besides current wins and losses. Had LSU beaten Kentucky, their SOS would have gone down simply because the cumulutive record of their opponents would have been worse. In other words, playing a 1-loss team (i.e. Connecticut or Virginia) strengthens your schedule more than playing Florida for instance. To me this is way too simplistic, is not any kind of realistic measure and therefor not worth debating. JMHO

Precisely... it doesn't take who your opponent has beaten into account.:thumpsup:

[scfan5338]

I dont understand the hatered toward Les Miles either. He is a damn good coach and it takes balls to call the plays he has callen. From the fake field goal against SC to the TD throw to beat Auburn and no to mention the 4th down conversions against UF. Had Spurrier done this, everyone would be said that gutsy or whatever. I do admit that it was stupid for him to throw the ball to win the game against Auburn especially without taking a timeout. But come to think of it, there have been so many FG and extra points blocked this year that it didn't shock me to see him throw the ball, it was just under the circumstances he did it and the way he went about doing it.